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Only locations that are specifically mentioned will be listed as "(mentioned)". Locations that are "levels up" will not be listed as "(indirectly mentioned)". {{{sig}}}

Something that this wiki has done is treat every mentioned location as a mention of where that place also is. For instance, when a character says "Oh, I went to Buenos Aires last year", we don't just add (mentioned) on the Buenos Aires page, we also add (mentioned) to the Argentina page, the South America page, Earth's page and the Solar System page. To give a U.S. centric example, when a character says "I was born in Albany" we add "(mentioned)" to the New York page, the United States page, the North America page, the Earth page and the Solar System page. There are four Wiki Staff members right now (two admins, two content moderators, not including thread moderators) and this decision has been split among us. Two of us believe that if a character mentions Albany, then the page for the state of New York should not get the "(mentioned)" and neither should the United States page, the North America page, or any other page above it; the "New York" page for instance would only get "(mentioned)" if the person said "I was born in Albany, New York." One half of the Staff team is of the mind only places that are specifically mentioned should be listed as such, while the other half of the Staff team disagrees.

A proposed idea, intended to serve as a compromise, was that we limit the "mentioning" to just one level up. So if someone mentions "Albany" then "(mentioned)" gets added to the New York state page, but it is not added to the page for "United States"; if someone mentions "New York", "(mentioned)" is added to the page for "United States" but not the page for "North America"; if someone mentions "North America" then "(mentioned)" is added to the page for "Earth" but not the page for "Solar System". A proposal was also offered where we would switch the "(mentioned)" to "(indirectly mentioned)". These proposals also ended in a tie decision, with half of the Staff team disagreeing with this idea as well. With the Staff team decision stuck in a deadlock, the deciding party shall be you, the community. Feel free to reply directly below this if you wish to engage in a discussion. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

EDIT: This applies to Landmarks as well. If a character says "I went to the Empire State Building" then currently "(mentioned)" get added to New York City, New York, United States, North America, Earth and Solar System. The proposed suggestions would have either limiting it to just "New York City", having "New York City" be listed as an indirect mention, or just not adding "(mentioned)" to any other page's Infobox/Appearances section aside from the landmark's page. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   21:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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If you vote Support, then you are in support of the proposed idea to allow for "(mentioned)" to be in effect for "one level up". So with this in effect, since New York (state) is one level up from Albany, with "second level" being "United States", any mention of Albany in the MCU allows for "(mentioned)" to be added to the New York state page.

If you vote Oppose, then you believe that the wiki should only add "(mentioned)" to whatever is specifically mentioned. So if Albany is mentioned, only the Albany page gets "(mentioned)" added to its Infobox/Appearances; the pages for "New York", "United States" and "North America" do not receive "(mentioned)" unless someone specifically mentions those places.

If you vote Neutral, it will be treated as being in support of the compromise where locations that are not specifically mentioned receive "(indirectly mentioned)". So if someone mentions Albany, the page for New York state would have (indirectly mentioned)" added to it. The "one level up only" restriction of the compromise still applies here.

Support

• I am in support of the proposal of one level up being mentioned. Although I am hesitant to list it as indirectly mentioned, I am not against it. I am against not listing it as mentioned in any capacity, due to the fact that if someone were to mention the city of Miami, most people would take that as a mention of the state of Florida in casual conversation. If you are born in Miami you are born in Florida. We would also be listing it as *[[Miami]], [[Florida]] <small>(mentioned)</small> on media pages without having Florida as mentioned on Florida's page which should not be the case. As such, I am in support of this proposal. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 23:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

• Only locations that are specifically mentioned should be listed as such. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• I was the one that brought this to staff so I oppose the current practice. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 20:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Why would we list mentioned on New York if only a city was mentioned? Only the location/landmark itself should receive (mentioned) on its page. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 16:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• I concur - E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 00:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• What others have said. SeichanGrey (talk) 00:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

• I'm in support of the compromise (though maybe two levels up, stopping at the country if necessary so continents only get it if the country is mentioned) -Jessica3801 (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Result

Voting period ends with five (5) votes in favor of only listing things that are actually mentioned as "(mentioned)" on the wiki, with one (1) vote for one level up while retaining "(mentioned)" (Support tier), and one (1) vote for the compromised offer of having it listed as "(indirectly mentioned)", with the stipulation of two levels up. With majority in favor of the "Oppose" tier, the wiki shall henceforth only list locations that are actually mentioned as "(mentioned)", and shall edit pre-existing pages to match this new standard. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   09:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Race/Species are to be listed as "(mentioned)" only if they are specifically mentioned, and is not to be listed, not even as "(indirectly mentioned)", when someone who is part of that species is mentioned by their own name. {{{sig}}}

In a similar vein to the above, Staff find themselves in a deadlock when it comes to Races/Species on the Wiki. If "Thanos" is mentioned, do we add "(mentioned)" to the Titans page? Or should only the "Thanos" page list it, because only Thanos was mentioned in dialogue and not "Titans", or should "Titans" also get "(mentioned)" because Thanos himself is a Titan? Whenever Star-Lord mentions Yondu, should "(mentioned)" only be added to Yondu's page, or should it also be added to the page of his species, which is "Centaurians"? Once again, the deciding party shall be you, the community. Like before, feel free to reply directly below this if you wish to engage in a discussion about this topic. Otherwise, proceed to vote. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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If you vote Support, then you are in support of retaining the status quo where "(mentioned)" is applied to the pages of the species of the characters who are mentioned. If someone mentions Yondu, "(mentioned)" is added to the Centaurians page. If someone mentions Ronan the Accuser, "(mentioned)" is added to the Kree page.

If you vote Oppose, then you believe that the wiki should only add "(mentioned)" to whatever is specifically mentioned. So if Yondu is mentioned, only his page gets "(mentioned)" and his page alone.

If you vote Neutral, it will be treated as being in support of the compromise where races/species that are not specifically mentioned receive "(indirectly mentioned)". So if someone mentions Yondu , the page for Centaurians will state "(indirectly mentioned)".

Support

• I am in support of the race being mentioned as well. Thanos is a Titan, Thor is an Asgardian. In a world where being a member of a certain species is a very important fact, I think it should be a mention. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 22:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

• Only that which is mentioned should receive the "(mentioned)". Only when people mention the Kree specifically should that be added to their page, not whenever some mentions Ronan or Starforce or Supreme Intelligence. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• I agree as well as I brought this up. A mention of Ronan is a mention of A Kree. Not The Kree. It is a different. In other words, it is a person that is a Kree, not the Kree themselves. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 21:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• If the race itself is not mentioned, I don't see why we'd put any level of (mentioned). - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 00:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• I agree that only that what has been mentioned directly should have the mentioned tag. I do not know why this was never discussed back when I was an admin on this wikia. -TomasDerksen (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• What others have said. SeichanGrey (talk) 00:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

• Mentioning Thanos is mentioning Titans, albeit indirectly -Jessica3801 (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Result

Voting period ends with five (5) votes in favor of only listing races/species when they are specifically mentioned as "(mentioned)" on the wiki, with one (1) vote for retaining "(mentioned)" for when a member of that species is mentioned by their own given name, and one (1) vote for retaining "(indirectly mentioned)" for when a member of that species is mentioned by their own given name. With majority in favor of the "Oppose" tier, the wiki shall henceforth only list races/species that are specifically mentioned as "(mentioned)"; pre-existing pages are to be edited in order to remove any "(mentioned)" or "(indirectly mentioned)" that do not qualify under this new standard. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   09:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Despite voices of support, transcript inclusion is a gray area when it comes to copyright law. Fandom Community Manager has thus deemed that we hold off on implementation. As a result, this proposal has been denied for the time being. {{{sig}}}

I'm revisiting a previously well-supported proposal from the Playground regarding the integration of transcript articles to MCU media (ex. "Iron Man (film)/Transcript", "Pilot/Transcript"). Now that the new administration is settled, I’d like to move forward once again with this initiative to introduce Transcripts on the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki.

I think this would be a very valuable addition to the MCU Wiki. It would serve as a useful supplementary resource for film and TV series articles and could also be used outside the site as a reliable citation for dialogue. Other FANDOM wikis, such as the Avatar, Spongebob, and South Park wikis, have implemented transcripts successfully without legal concerns.

Some transcript-related templates are already available on this wiki, and a complete draft for the Iron Man transcript is up on my user page, to give a frame of reference for the scriptwriting formats and styling I had in mind, etc. I also have working drafts from last year for The Avengers and an episode of Secret Invasion.

These transcripts will be our original work, authored by our own editors. These transcripts will not be plagiarized from official screenplays.

Lastly, while this Treehouse proposal is focused solely on the integration of transcripts; if this receives approval from the administration, I believe the next logical step would be to establish a dedicated WikiProject for Transcripts. I think this is essential to ensure that these transcripts are implemented on the wiki smoothly and in an orderly fashion with a dedicated team behind them. I have a working draft for this as well, ready to be moved if greenlit.

I strongly believe the integration of transcripts would be to everyone's benefit if properly applied, and I encourage anyone entertained by this idea to respond to this proposal. -Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 00:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I am in support of it. I'm not sure how many people we can realistically project will join the WikiProject in question, but I am in support of implementing your transcripts proposal. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   01:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Ditto -Jessica3801 (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I've always been in support. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 14:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

No real reason to be against this imo - E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 00:41, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I support this proposal.    Pr0tato210 | Message Wall • Contributions   10:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Even if the transcript would be authored by editors, is it really good copyright-wise? Dialogues take up a considerably big part of the media, transcribing them whole doesn't sound like fair use. MalchonC (talk) 09:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

This is a good point I hadn't considered. I just spoke with our Fandom Community Manager, and he informed me that we should hold off on implementing this proposal due to the gray area that transcript inclusion is in when it comes to U.S. copyright law. So I will be archiving this proposal, with the result right now unfortunately being that we will not be implementing it. However, should Fandom give us the green light in the future, then the wiki may proceed, given the Staff team at that time remains favorable to this proposal. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   10:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit: I have chosen to unarchive this proposal for a brief moment after speaking with Mister Explicit. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   10:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

The issue concerning legality has been raised before. Previously, I was unequivocally assured by Fandom staff (specifically, the site's former community representative), that there would be no legal issues surrounding copyright with the MCU Wiki hosting transcripts. I had provided several examples of other Fandom-hosted wikis that include transcripts for this reason. I wouldn't have proposed this otherwise unless I was certain of that based on what I was told. However, after discussing with MJLogan95, I'm fine with allowing this proposal to remain on hold until the community manager can clarify the policies. Hopefully, this helps ease worries and address all of our concerns. -Mister Explicit • Message Wall • Contribs - 10:32, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

While there are a handful of wikis that do incorporate transcripts, and while the former Wiki Representative did indicate it was okay, our current Community Manager has asked us to hold off. We will be honoring that. Should the situation change, and Staff remain in support when/if that time comes, this may be implemented. Until then, unfortunately it will not be. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   10:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Proposal denied via community feedback {{{sig}}}

There was recently a situation I had to handle where I had to look up some country's rules on citizenship and realized that in many countries it is very complicated. This makes it kind of more amid speculatory grounds in my opinion to state citizenships even though conjecture policy states we can. Additionally, there are many areas that we have as citizenships despite no proof they have a citizenship system including the Quantum Realm, Dark Dimension or even alien planets. In my opinion, we should change citizenships to residency. Therefore, we can properly assume a character's place of living based on their location with the least speculation possible.

Additionally, this would allow for more precise decisions like if Bucky Barnes was a citizen of Wakanda (which we have no idea of knowing as we do not know Wakanda's citizenship rules). However, we can say he lived there as he was there for two years. This would not only fix fictional citizenships, but also allow us to fix a very inconsistent trend on the wiki which is that sometimes we give animals citizenships when they obviously don't have them. This way we can give them it. Because of formalities, places of birth without proof of living there also counts for this like Arnim Zola being Swiss.

Overall, I think this would help us be more precise and accurate as a whole. Rules can be workshopped, but generally I am thinking if they either live there for a certain period of time (maybe at least 6 to 12 months), if they have a job or if they have a residence and generally call it home. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 23:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with doing away with citizenships altogether, I am in support of removing stuff like other planets and realms tho, just normal earth countries. I am against removing them because while yes, some characters we don't know their citizenship, I think the system we have now is mostly fine, as most characters just have the one from where they are born or where they live, and if we don't have strong enough evidence to list we, we simply don't, like in the case of Ava Starr and her family. However i don't see any issue with listing where they currently reside as that may be useful info. - E-Scope | Message Wall • Contribs - 00:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I am very much against removing "Citizenships" and in fact oppose it altogether. We carefully ensure that we abide by real world citizenship rules even though they differ from place to place, and make corrections when they're needed. I'm fine with maybe removing them for extraterrestrial locations, but it should definitely remain in place for people of Earth. Bucky is not a Wakandan citizen as far as we know; just because he lived there doesn't mean he gets it. We only add that which we know, and we make a Conjectural exception to certain characters. I was one of those who wondered if we should treat the Wolverine Variants as Canadian, and other Staff were like "yes, because Conjecture." So in summation, citizenship should be retained on Infoboxes. So if anything, this proposal (if it comes to fruition) is to add "Residency" alongside Citizenship. And my personal thought is that it's unneeded and unnecessary. But if the majority of the community wants a "Residency" section under "Citizenship" we can do that. Keep in mind though, using "Residency" doesn't fix the "each country has different rules for citizenship" issue because each country also has different rules for official residency, like permanent residency. So you're not really fixing the core issue imo. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   00:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

It is not removing citizenships. It is replacing it with residency to be more specific and accurate. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

If you are replacing the "Citizenship" field with "Residency" then you are removing "Citizenship". Citizenship field should not be removed. Like I said, if anything, you'd just be adding a "Residency" field under "Citizenship". •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   02:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

That's not really the case though. Residency serves the same exact purpose. It is just that it is changed to a term that allows us to be less speculatory. It would act the same, but in some cases, due to the term used, it would allow us to put stuff like Wakandan on Bucky. But other than that it is the exact same and also allows us to put the template on planets, dimensions or animals. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Cool. Let it be on the record that I oppose then, and believe we should retain our current Citizenship. I was willing to compromise and have both fields, but if the idea is "one or the other" I am of the mind the Administrative team should unanimously retain the Citizenship field. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   02:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd rather not remove citizenship. Maybe we can add a residency field where only that can be applied and decide whether to use citizenship or residency on a case-by-case basis. - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 16:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I also am very against a change from citizenship to residency. I feel this would become very complicated and very messy very quick and is very subjective as to what amount of time someone would need to spend in a place to be considered a resident where as Citizenship is a fact and you either don't have it or you do. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 07:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The term "Residency" is also iffy due to it also being a legal status, a term given to those who legally and officially reside in a nation without being its citizens, and therefore should not be used as a catch-all term to refer to people who just live somewhere. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   08:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I also disagree with the proposal. Things get a bit trickier dealing with residency. -Jessica3801 (talk) 14:02, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Category has been created {{{sig}}}

I suggest we add a new category called "Covens", since we now have 3 covens in the MCU (Agatha's coven, the Salemites, and the Salem Seven). - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 18:17, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

We have four. Morgan le Fay's Coven. But yea, we should. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 18:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. -Jessica3801 (talk) 20:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Proceed. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   22:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Me or Raff? - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 00:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I assume he'll have no issue with you doing it, provided you are aware how to create and format the category page properly. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   11:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Created! (link) - GarrettPlayzRBLX | Message Wall • Contributions 13:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion migrated to a separate page {{{sig}}}

We once had a page for the video game Lego Marvel's Avengers, but it was deleted because the game fell under the the Earth-13122 universe, not our Earth-199999. But now that the MCU is delving into the multiverse, a few of our alternate timelines getting numbers like the Destroyed Earth being Earth-17516, and Deadpool & Wolverine being covered despite mainly taking place in Fox's universe of Earth-10005, the Earth designations don't matter anymore. Plus we cover non-canon games inspired by the MCU. LEGO Marvel's Avengers adapt The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron with a flashback level of Captain America: The First Avenger and three bonus levels based on Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World and Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and the dialogue is made up of voice clips from the movies. We also already have pages for the Lego web browser games: Lego Iron Man, Lego Hulk, Lego Thor, Lego Iron Man 3 and Lego Avengers: Endgame Rush. Might as well cover the big Lego game adaptation of the MCU. But only LEGO Marvel's Avengers. Putting the two LEGO Marvel Superheroes games here just because of some minifigures with MCU costumes would open a can of worms, so it's best if we only recreate the page for the one that adapts the Avengers films. SeanWheeler (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I heavily disagree. The Marvel's Avengers game is not MCU. It has MCU characters and themes, but it is definitely not MCU. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 21:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed with Raff. Lego Iron Man and the like are explicitly promotion for The Avengers and Iron Man 3, which is not the case for Lego Marvel's Avengers, which is not MCU. -Jessica3801 (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I disagree as well. I don't think we should cover LEGO Avengers games. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   14:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I actually agree with covering LEGO Marvel's Avengers. As someone who has played the game though to 100% completion, I can confidently say it's much more than just Marvel Cinematic Universe characters and themes. All the levels are pulled directly from the films, most notably The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron. The trailer for the game also says "Featuring story content from: The Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Thor: The Dark World, and Iron Man 3". All the levels are recreations of events from the films, following 24 different MCU events. This game is, at its core, the MCU in LEGO form. The game was also used as promotion for Captain America: Civil War, advertising a Captain America: Civil War DLC at the game's launch in preparation for the upcoming film. I believe this fits well within the scope of what we cover. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

This is most definitely an MCU game and not just some Marvel game with MCU themes. The main story recreates Avengers and Age of Ultron the same way other LEGO games like the LEGO Star Wars, LEGO Indiana Jones, LEGO Harry Potter, LEGO Lord of the Rings, LEGO Jurassic World, etc adapts their movies. The comics-only characters and characters who were adapted differently later in the MCU were just there to fill up the roster and you get them from sidequests in the hub worlds. The characters in the story got their voice clips directly from the MCU movie. There was a reason LEGO Marvel's Avengers was once created on this wiki before, and we had pages on the characters from this game. The only reason LEGO Avengers was deleted was because the Marvel Database covered it under Earth-13122 and we didn't cover the multiverse at the time. Now, we're well into the Multiverse Saga, and as the guy who requested the deletion of the game, I say circumstances have changed and that we should have brought that game back a long time ago. This is different from the LEGO Marvel Superheroes games because those games have an original story. LEGO Avengers is a straight-up adaptation of the Avengers movies with three bonus levels based on Phase 2 films. While the Marvel Database puts all LEGO Marvel media on Earth-13122, that doesn't mean we should just dismiss this game as non-MCU. Especially with the contradiction between LEGO Avengers and the first LEGO Marvel Superheroes regarding two Iron Man suits. In the first LEGO Marvel Superheroes, the Mark VI suit was destroyed by Magneto so Iron Man upgraded to the Mark XLII, but in LEGO Marvel's Avengers, the Mark VI was damaged the same way it was in the movie and he upgraded to the Mark VII. Mark 42 was used in the Iron Man 3 level, Ready, A.I.M., Fire and it was destroyed at the end to defeat Killian. I guess you could say LEGO Marvel Superheroes took place between the Avengers levels and the Ready, A.I.M., Fire level and that Tony repaired his Mark 6 after the Battle of New York in the LEGO timeline, but Loki was in the Asgardian dungeon in the Lost in the Aether level for what he did in New York, while it looked like Galactus was about to eat him at the end of the first game. The LEGO Marvel franchise doesn't really have much continuity. In fact, LEGO doesn't really have continuity. Especially at the end of LEGO Harry Potter: Years 1-4 where Dumbledore gave Amos Diggory instructions on how to rebuild Cedric while everyone was still sad about the loss of Cedric in LEGO Harry Potter: Years 5-7. And they tend to have characters who die in the movies survive in the game but ignore the characters' survival and treat them as dead like the movie, for example, LEGO Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga had this mission where you investigate whether Han or Greedo shot first in the event that led to Greedo's death, but the game showed it as a duck-and-cover fight between the two, with it ending with Greedo walking away after Han threw his blaster at him. For the whole lack of continuity in LEGO games, I think we could cover LEGO Avengers while completely ignoring LEGO Marvel Superheroes and its sequel. LEGO Marvel Superheroes and LEGO Marvel Superheroes 2 are the ones that just have MCU characters and themes but are not MCU. LEGO Avengers is a direct adaptation of the MCU. SeanWheeler (talk) 00:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I still don't agree it is actual MCU media. It has MU themed things, which is an important thing to note, but it also has non-MCU things like Human Torch, MODOK, Miss America, Kate Bishop, Speed, Wiccan, Hulkling, Patriot, the Avengers Academy and co., Avengers Intiative and co., Invaders, SMASH and many more. It is just a jumble of stuff that is not needed to be covered. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 01:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Veranke isn't in the MCU yet either but we have a page on her from The Avengers: Skrull Takedown, a game where Nick Fury sends the Avengers to Skrullos, which can't be related to any MCU media. Angela isn't in the MCU but we have her from Guardians of the Galaxy: The Universal Weapon, a game that includes a Quasar who was explicitly different from the Phyla we knew from Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. What does Skrull Takedown and The Universal Weapon have to do with the MCU outside of some MCU costumes that Marvel had used in non-MCU media? How can those two games be more MCU-related than the game that used archived voice clips from the movies and recreated 5 MCU films and a DLC level for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.? SeanWheeler (talk) 08:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

The difference is that those are MCU media. They are promotional material for the movie. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 16:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

How often has Marvel redesigned the characters in the comics to match the movies? 616 Kamala Khan was even retconned to be part mutant to promote The Marvels. And around the time Captain America: Civil War came out, the original Civil War event had a sequel with Civil War II that pitted Iron Man against Captain Marvel. After Sam Wilson became Captain America in the MCU, he came back to being Cap in the comics. The Eternals were reborn looking more like their MCU counterparts. How do you sort out the promotional material from stuff inspired by the MCU? Are we sure The Avengers: Skrull Takedown was really a tie-in game for The Avengers movie? LEGO Marvel's Avengers was a bigger tie-in game than a game about The Avengers taking on Skrulls which were not a thing until Captain Marvel. Also, we put The Universal Weapon in the universe we call Iso-8 Power Source Universe like the other Phase 2 movie games, but the Marvel Database has a different TRN for it. The Universal Weapon is Earth-TRN842 while the other games in the Iso-8 Power Source universe that are the real movie games are Earth-TRN1124. SeanWheeler (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand your point here and the Marvel Database giving it a different TRN has nothing to do with us. The Avengers: Skrull Takedown was released at the time of The Avengers with the intention of being a promotional game. The Lego Avengers was released at a random hiatus and has way more non-mcu material. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 19:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Way more non-MCU material? I disagree considering all the levels in the base game are events of the movies, and the roster has some MCU-exclusive characters like Beth the Waitress and Doctor List. The additional comics characters in the game are unlocked from character tokens, mission givers in the hub worlds (the hub worlds being the locations the movie levels are set), and DLC. And while the DLC gave us three non-movie levels, there was also the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. DLC and the Ant-Man DLC, and those non-movie DLCs were actually teasing the then-upcoming Black Panther, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel films. And the game itself was made to tie-in to Avengers: Age of Ultron. Yes, it came a year after Age of Ultron, but so did the LEGO Force Awakens game. It likely came after the movie so that TT Games could use the Age of Ultron soundtrack, which was an issue for releasing LEGO Star Wars: The Video Game before Revenge of the Sith and LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean before On Stranger Tides. And looking at the page history of the game on LEGO Games Wiki, I created the page on January 29, 2015, a couple months before Age of Ultron meaning that the game had to have been announced to create even more hype for the movie. The red Avengers logo matches the Avengers: Age of Ultron logo. The game starts with the first Age of Ultron level depicting the Attack on the HYDRA Research Base. This is an Age of Ultron game. SeanWheeler (talk) 21:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

While perhaps not promotional material for the theatrical release of Avengers: Age of Ultron, LEGO Marvel's Avengers was likely originally intended for release coinciding with the home video release of the film which came out in fall of 2015, the same time the game was supposed to release. However, the game was delayed to January 2016 due to the release of new LEGO Dimensions packs coming out at the same time. Because of the delay, the game was used to promote Captain America: Civil War, with a selling point of the game being that there would be an expansion DLC on release to coincide with the new film. This can also very much be considered a tie-in game. The game's entire concept is centered around taking the Marvel Cinematic Universe and LEGO-izing it for audiences to play, as evident by the synopsis of the game reading "Experience your favorite moments from Marvel's The Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Iron Man 3, Captain America: The First Avenger, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, and Thor: The Dark World in classic LEGO style". The game's main campaign and story actually does not feature any non-MCU material. The non-MCU material in the game is used for the open world only, does not affect the main story, and is meant only as extra material for the player to unlock in addition to beating the main campaign. This is also supported by the game's director, Arthur Parsons, doing an interview at E3 where he describes how much the game makers intended to copy the events of the film, down to which characters you play as in different sections of the same level.

This, along with the game's trailers stating that this game follows the story of six different MCU films, should qualify this for coverage on our Wiki, as the main draw for this game is that it is based on The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron, as well as the wider Marvel Cinematic Universe. - Fish Master 41 (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess with that evidence you gave, the story itself would kind of fit the MCU (even though I'm still hesitant to be for the addition), but it's really not a good idea to add the non-MCU open world material. So if we only include the MCU things, I am fine with it. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 22:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

To be clear that is only if we cover the story exclusively. We do not need any abundance of characters on the wiki that have no plot or story like Captain Universe or Reptil. We are getting very dangerously close to letting in anything that vaguely resembles the MCU and having this game would be catastrophic, to put it dramatically lightly. Furthermore, there are many games that resemble the MCU and even have their own distinct MCU levels like Future Fight or Strike Force. However, we would never cover them. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 01:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Even with the link Fish gave, at the 5 minute mark, they talk about MCU versions as opposed to the comics characters that are in the game. In my opinion they very distinctly separate them. Additionally, they talk alot about these characters being the same as the other Lego games just with the MCU stories, which is very troubling as it could hint at possibly having to incorporate the other games. All of this is just giving me a giant headache that we really do not have to deal with. We would really rather have quality over quantity, which is something that we have been kind of straying away from with allowing the addition of web browser games (which I was against), but this just takes quantity to another level when adding characters that do not have any info. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 02:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm... Well, it is good to have some info to tell, but I would want my Free Play main Kamala Khan here as well. She had the player do a couple of missions for her. And even if we can't do a page, I would at least want to see her LEGO variant in her hub page. And you're right that we are getting very dangerously close to letting anything that vaguely resembles the MCU on this wiki, so maybe we should get rid of some promotional non-canon stuff that doesn't resemble the MCU like The Avengers: Skrull Takedown. Skrull Takedown might have been seen as part of the promotional campaign for The Avengers movie as it starred the Avengers and was released in 2012, but Marvel was still publishing Avengers comics that year, and it was the year the Avengers vs. X-Men comic event happened. Obviously, we wouldn't be taking every Avengers media from 2012, right? Even if the game was published by a soda company, we should still look at it to determine whether it's non-canon MCU or non-MCU. The Avengers going to Skrullos to fight Veranke is very distant from the movie where the Chitauri attack New York. And looking at the Avengers-Skrull Empire Confrontation pages, the History sections aren't even filled out yet, except for Veranke who has never made an MCU appearance yet. SeanWheeler (talk) 07:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

To be fair, those pages just got created. But yes I always thought that we should limit those web browser games. The thing is is that adding the Lego games greatly adds to the sum of our pages only for practically all of them to say literally nothing. You can check the MD pages, all they say is that they are residents of NYC. There is just no point in having those pages. Additionally, no one is actually going to look at the MCU wiki for information on the Lego games, there are multiple wikis for that. It’s just very messy and incredibly risky to add this game and it would just add a burden rather than doing something helpful. - Raff • Message Wall • Contributions 12:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

We wouldn't add all three LEGO Games. Just LEGO Avengers. It's a headache to even account for the entire LEGO timeline with the contradiction about Tony's suits and the different timelines of Chronopolis. Plus, the Marvel Database also counts the LEGO Marvel movies on Disney+ to be canon to Earth-13122, so it would be better to just focus on the one installment based on the Avengers movies. And yeah, I think we should definitely focus on the story levels. Just make sure not to copy the Sacred Timeline character's history. In fact, make sure to focus more on the game's changes such as Quicksilver getting killed by ice cream. If I remember correctly, the deleted revisions of the game on this wiki had a list of differences from the movies. Also, our LEGO Avengers character pages would be totally different from the other wikis. The Marvel Database has the Earth-13122 pages cover all LEGO Marvel media, while we would just cover this one game. LEGO Games Wiki has character pages split by costume, so you can't get the full history from characters with multiple suits like Iron Man. Brickipedia's background sections are more about the source material than the games. We should definitely pick a name for the LEGO Avengers universe in the Citadel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanWheeler (message wall • contribs)

I ask that this discussion be put on pause for now as we are discussing creating a separate section to discuss and show support/opposition the LEGO Avengers game being included or not. The link to that discussion will be posted under this comment when it is ready for public input. Thank you. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   08:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

A dedicated discussion page for this topic can be found at right here. •   MJLogan95 | Message Wall • Contributions   03:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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