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Question[]
As for the appearance of Ol' Painless in the chest in Muddy Rudders -- when is the random event set? The first time you walk into the bar? Every time you walk into the bar? Whenever you open the chest? I've done the save-reload approach and I've never found the rifle for any of the conditions mentioned above. —Preceding comment was unsigned. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
Mary[]
I edited this - it should be Rosie, shouldn't it? There's no Mary in the Republic of Dave, afaik. I linked Rosie and Dave as well, but Bob leads to a disambiguation page, and I'm not fluent enough in wiki to change it, so I didn't. 208.97.121.178 20:59, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
No spread?[]
According to the article, Ol' Painless has 0 spread.
I just did some in-game testing and this weapons certainly does NOT have 0 spread.
Can someone else test it out too and record their findings? 24.186.43.182 07:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Are you testing it in VATS? cuz 95% is 95% --AshRandom 23:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm was under the impression that the "spread" referred to FPS mode, not VATS. It wouldn't really make sense for it to refer to VATS, because, like u said, 95% is 95%. So when shooting in FPS mode I notice that it doesn't always hit the same spot. What I did to test it was aim at the edge of a concrete wall. If all the bullets went EXACTLY where I was aiming, then all of them should hit the wall, and after every shot I should see the the small "puff" of dust/debris. Sometimes, though, there would be no puff of dust, because the bullet would miss the wall and go past it completely. This would be easily explained by weapon spread NOT being 0.24.186.43.182 20:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- Well, you might be onto something, I'm getting the same results here (xbox360). --AshRandom 22:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- The zero spread of Ol' Painless only applies if you have level 100 in the Small guns skill. Any lower than that and you will experience more or less spread. This "spread-mechanic" applies to every kind of gun, from shotgun to sniper rifle, and Ol' Painless is no exception. 78.69.122.16 17:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Odd kills with this weapon[]
I've made some rather interesting kill shots with this particular weapon (Ghouls/humans flying across the room, Yao Gui's (sp?) doing backflips when shot in the head), is this an isolated occurence? 72.226.139.220 04:28, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
- Game physics seem to be setup in such a way that when you splatter a limb, it imparts less momentum. Since painless is a relatively low damage weapon it gets slightly less amputations and slightly more "hollywood knockdowns". Its a hollywood knockdown because in real life no bullet ever makes a person fly-backwards. The more powerful the bullet, the more likely it will pass right through, or in this case, comically amputate a limb. If you want to see more creatures flying backwards, shoot for the chest, it can't be amputated, so you almost always get the flying-backwards knockdown effect.
AshRandom (Talk) 09:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Gun vanished[]
Pickpocketed a scavenger, he took the .32 bullets back and Ol Painless vanished. Wasn't on his corpse. —Preceding comment was unsigned. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
On mine, Ol' Painless just disappeared from my inventory completely, and the Kneecapper as well, maybe it was because I stole them? It happens i failed to picpocket a guard in rivet and he took all my keys. XD--Atlas Lied! 17:10, 4 July 2009 (UTC) I had it happen with me for both the Ol' Painless and the Vampire Edge with Knick Knack. I'm guessing that it's a flaw if the AI; the game has them taken any "stolen" items even if they weren't from him. Luckily, they were both in his store and I just bought them back. I just wonder if this is a bug or bad AI.--KnightNapier 18:57, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
Not in Smiling Jack's Locker[]
I just checked Smiling Jack's Locker, and Ol'Painless isn't in there. Perhaps someone was thinking of The Terrible Shotgun. —Preceding comment was unsigned. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
- It's a glitch that happens at random. Mr.Wolf 20:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Gone[]
I was south of Vault 108 when I shot a raider with Ol' painless. I switched to Xuanlong to kill a deathclaw. After I killed it I went back to equip Ol' painless and it was gone. Just disapeared from my inventory. WTF! It was one of my favorites. AND, to make it worse, I saved right before trying to switch back to Ol' painless so I cant get it back. I gotta use regular hunting rifles now. I'm so... regular.--Chipgambino 03:40, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
Same thing happened to me, though in a different location. I had just finished Blood ties, since I wanted the Hematophage Perk. So I left, then decided I wanted some cool gear, and Vance's overcoat. So I turned back around and killed that guard outside (Andy?), and went in. I went to pull out ol' Painless, since it was my basic fallback gun, and I love to use it, when it was gone, along with my axe from PL. I was pissed. But, this was remedied today, makign me very happy. I killed all of Daniel Littlehorn's secretaries and went out into the scrapyard to find Human Hunters, and killed them. One of them was carrying an ol' painless in near 0 condition. So now I have my gun back. (Note, the Axe and Ol' Painless were in the bottom left and Bottom right of my hotkeys, respectively) Kale Nekona 00:40, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
- That's kinda bizarre. I would have originally suggested that it may have been shot out of your hand or something, but this might just be because of a glitch, this kinda stuff happens to unique weapons sometimes. On the plus side, there are rifles that are way better than Ol' Painless. Normal Lever-Action Rifles, the Backwater Rifle, and Lincoln's Repeater are all superior rifles that you can get your hands on (assuming you have point lookout for the lever-action and backwater). --Clean Up 20:37, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
I know it's bizarre, but It got me the weapon back, so I"m not about to complain. And I know it's not the strongest rifle in the game, I just prefer it. DOn't get me wrong, Lincoln's Repeater and the Backwater Rifle are two of my main weapons, but Ol' Painless is the most reliable gun in the game once you have 100 small guns.Kale Nekona 00:09, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
My O' Painless disappeared while I was fighting a Behemoth. I was switching to the Overkill Gun and shot at it. With the Ol' Painless keyed in the bottom slot, it wasn't there! :(. 
- NuclearWhip Blab 00:12, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
No Karma Loss[]
I discovered a way to get Ol' Painless without incurring a loss in karma. It doesn't involve Dogmeat. (Dogmeat wouldn't work anyway as he doesn't take owned items.) What you'll have to do is go to nearby Chaste Acres Dairy Farm or Grisly Diner and lure a raider to the Republic of Dave. It's very tricky, and it's can be difficult to get them to follow you at certain areas where they will want to turn back or will see other things to attack. Solve this by firing at them a few times with a weak weapon or killing what they're attacking. Now, once they're inside the republic, they will want to exit for some reason. Instead of luring them, just run inside the capitol building, throw some .32 shells into the safe, and run back outside. If the raider is inside the walls of republic at this point, run back into the capitol building and run into Dave's office. The only problems are is that the residents will fight back against the raider, so it is best done at night and after you have removed Dave from his republic. It can be very long, arduous, and frustrating, but I managed to do it. (Took, maybe, an hour.) If anyone else approves, I'll add it to the article. TearsOfBlood 03:35, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
- I added it anyway. --TearsOfBlood 16:59, April 8, 2010 (UTC)
Inaccurate AP Cost[]
While looking through both my Fallout 3 Official Stradegy Guide, this website, and several others I have seen that the Ol' Painless Rifle's AP cost is supposedly 23 points, which is equal to the unique Chinese Assualt Rifle, the Xuanlong Assualt Rifle. Noticing this I attempted to use both weapons the same amount of times in V.A.T, but unlike the Xuanlong Assualt Rifle, which shot 5 bursts, the Ol' Painless Rifle only shot 4 of its 5 round clip. Maybe I am having some sort of glitch but for the test I used Lag-Bolt's Combat Armor +10 AP, had my Small Guns skill at 100, and had taken every step to increase my max AP points without resorting to drugs. I also tested this in several different scenarios: Super Mutants, Raiders, Enclave, and Deathclaws. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.179.157 (talk • contribs). Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
- I checked in the data files using FO3Edit - the value of 23 is listed for the "Override - Action Points" for both the Ol' Painless and one of the others you mentioned, the Xuanlong Assault Rifle. Are you on the PC? If so, are you using any mods? If this is on a console then it can be put in the bugs section unless someone else comes along and says why it shouldn't be. Kris (talk) 20:05, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
- No actually I am using the Xbox 360 version, but I do have the PC version its just much nicer to play on my Xbox then PC primarily because my PC is now a POS. But to the point, I think the only reason I can think of that might be the problem is that my Xbox 360 Fallout 3 disk is cracked on the inner ring but I don't think that'd affect the game's stats.
There are perks that modify AP with regards to what weapon you are using. Ol'Painless should be a rifle, while I'm not sure which categorie holds the Xuanlong. Maybe that's it. -DAywalker-~10.01.2010, 20,1891.7.108.251
Damage Decrease[]
I noticed the article said the damage should be 30, but for some reason my Ol' Painless only does 25 at full repair. I've been using Hunting Rifles to fix it up for some time, but now it doesn't want to go above 25 damage. Others have informed me that they don't have this problem. We may want to put this under possible bugs. —Preceding comment was unsigned. Please sign your posts with ~~~~!
- DAM stat is affected by your small guns skill. TearsOfBlood 19:31, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
This is one of the best small guns in the game in my opinion, it packs quite a punch at lower levels, and it is very easy to maintain, and with its 0 spread, its very good for non-vats users.
Behind The Scenes[]
Should it be put in the behind the scenes section that the minigun that Blain uses in the move "Predator" is called Ol' Painless?--71.11.224.91 05:03, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
I logged on here today to ask this exact question, just finished watching Predator, maybe its too generic a name to link it, but it seems very likely its an homage, shame they didnt use the name in place of Eugene, would fit better.--MrSuperHappy 18:42, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Could the name be a reference to the geyser Old Faithful? -- brokentool (talk) 12:49, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Laundering doesn't work?[]
The article states that you can keep people from confiscating Ol Painless by fencing, meaning selling it to a merchant and then buying it back as a legitimate purchase(isn't this laundering rather then fencing?). Shouldn't this method clear the "Stolen" tag? I tried selling the gun to Moria, leaving the cell, reentering the cell and then buying it back, but it's still marked as stolen when dropped on the ground. --Mr Perfect (talk) 22:52, February 6, 2015 (UTC)