Forum:PonyComparison/Archive 2

General remark[]

It's important to mention that while these might not be the "same ponies" from an in-universe perspective, as long as they remain unnamed and as long as they're not shown explicitly to be different ponies, we're going to go with the best information we have and either assign them the same name to identify them as a generally interchangeable character design, or assign them different names if they are not generally interchangeable. For example Bon Bon has several different voices (so they say) but we assign all these "different" ponies the same name because they are generally interchangeable. Same for ponies that appear as multiple different ponies in the same shot. –Throwawaytv 15:59, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I thought that went without saying. In-universe, Shoeshine and Cormana may indeed be different ponies. But that's not something we can determine. We're not assigning placeholder names to ponies, we're assigning names to characters who share a unique design. We know background ponies are relatively randomly inserted into scenes where they are needed, and the same goes for their voices. It's impossible to chart a cohesive personality or "history" for any of these characters without succumbing to speculation, so the best course of action is to identify how many "characters with a specific design" there are, and give each of them a placeholder name. Hence this forum topic, to discuss on a case-by-case basis how much of a deviation from the assumed standard design is acceptable. --Tulipclaymore 16:13, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Heartstrings/Ponygirl Lyra[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Heartstrings	Ponygirl Lyra
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn	Earth pony	no
Cutie mark	lyre	lyre	yes
Coat color	turqoise	turqoise	yes
Mane color	greyish-green/white	greyish-green/white, partially blond in one scene	mostly
Mane style	spiky	spiky	yes
Eye color	orange	red	no
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	appears only in Over a Barrel, always with a hat/bonnet.
Other
Current treatment	treated as two different ponies in the List, but the variant is mentioned in Heartstrings' appearances table

It's hard to make out (where's my Blu-ray, Hasbro?), but I think the Appleloosa Heartstrings' eyes are red. Plus, there's this weird piece of yellow mane on her right side which the normal Heartstrings doesn't have. I say we let this one be. --Tulipclaymore 15:01, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say the yellow mane was a result of an animation error, but okay. --Kinrah 15:47, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

I tried uploading this image but Wikia isn't cooperating. Ponygirl Lyra looks like the green pony with Heartstrings's coat and mane, but not her eyes. It does seem like a sloppy conversion. I think it's safe to say this is Heartstrings with the green pony's eyes and hat. –Throwawaytv 16:27, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Appleloosa Heartstrings also appears in Ponyville during Luna Eclipsed at around 14:42 (without the partial blondness animation error). Bonnet aside, she's basically a combination of the "Heartstrings without horn" and "Heartstrings with red eyes" variants. 64.118.115.219 16:38, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! The red eyes (redder than those of the green Appleloosa pony) are a little more visible in the Luna Eclipsed scene, too. The animation error (I think Throwawaytv has it right about its origin; the mane was part of the hat and whoever pasted that over forgot erasing it) only appears on her right side, though, and she's only seen from that angle in the one Over the Barrel scene used for the screenshot.

So... keep as an entry (in which case I'm gonna put the name up for a vote soon), or not? --Tulipclaymore 19:15, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe combine with Heartstrings, but note in every appearance that it's the "red eye" variety? This is actually really problematic and the easy solution is to just assume they're different and call it a day. The less-easy solution is to call it "Heartstrings (red iris Earth pony variety)". The correct solution is to get the layout artist who put her there to comment on the issue, but this would require nagging crew members which I'm not inclined to do. Just do what will cause the least problems. –Throwawaytv 21:36, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

It may be best to mention on Heartstrings' page that a number of variants (unicorn-red, Earth-yellow, Earth-red, Pegasus) exist, but treat them as separate on the List if more than one component is different. --Tulipclaymore 14:37, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Good call. Give them different placeholder names but put "See Heartstrings." in their description column. –Throwawaytv 16:04, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed that Over a Barrel does show her from that angle without the partial blondness animation error (at 19:20). 76.9.87.146 15:34, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Result: Entries were kept separate. --Tulipclaymore 00:45, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

New evidence (well, not that new by this point, but it hadn't yet been brought up here): The "Golden Harvest & Lyra Heartstrings" trading card lists Lyra Heartstrings and Golden Harvest's locations as Canterlot, Appleloosa, and Ponyville. Both of them have appeared in Canterlot & Ponyville, and Golden Harvest has appeared in Appleloosa, but only this moderate-cerise-eyed Earth pony variant of Lyra Heartstrings has appeared in Appleloosa. Plus, the card's description states that the two ponies "...can be found all over Equestria, enjoying various activities like...running from buffalo...", and the moderate-cerise-eyed Earth pony variant does run from buffalo in Over a Barrel. Judging by this evidence, it seems that Lyra Heartstrings and her moderate-cerise-eyed Earth pony variant are the same pony after all. 76.9.91.170 17:30, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

I vote for merging them. Flippy Bear (talk) 02:32, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't. I don't really want to put too much credence in the trading cards beyond what is absolutely necessary given how many obvious errors they contain. --Tulipclaymore (talk) 03:17, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Aren't the trading cards' errors generally just mis-listings and inconsistent name spellings? This isn't just a listing; it's written in the description. Come to think of it, we've had word from a crew member since October 22, 2011: layout artist "Nayuki" stated that in Luna Eclipsed, "Lyra actually shows up in 2 different costumes, the pony in the mummy costume is Lyra. There is also one scene with the town running in terror where she's not in the mummy costume and is wearing a bonnet (I think one of the other artists just took her running from one of the other episodes and added the bonnet in afterwards)," later repeating that "Lyra...does show up in 2 costumes." That pretty much confirms them being the same pony. 76.9.74.59 14:50, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Berry Punch/Juicy Fruit/unnamed[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Berry Punch	Juicy Fruit
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Pegasus	no
Cutie mark	a bunch of grapes and a strawberry	partly obscured, but probably a bunch of grapes and a strawberry	probably
Coat color	pink	pink	yes
Mane color	pink	pink	yes
Mane style	Cherry Berry style	Rainbowshine style	no
Eye color	pink	pink	yes
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	Fall Weather Friends at 20:15, possibly seen from overhead in (at least) Suited For Success, The Best Night Ever, and A Friend in Deed
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Berry Punch	Juicy Fruit
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	partly obscured, but probably a bunch of grapes and a strawberry	partly obscured, but probably a bunch of grapes and a strawberry	probably
Coat color	pink	pink	yes
Mane color	pink	pink	yes
Mane style	Cherry Berry style	Rainbowshine style	no
Eye color	unknown	pink	unknown
Appearances	Winter Wrap Up at 6:03, possibly seen from overhead in (at least) Suited For Success, The Best Night Ever, and A Friend in Deed	Fall Weather Friends at 20:15, possibly seen from overhead in (at least) Suited For Success, The Best Night Ever, and A Friend in Deed
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as the same pony

I've heard that Juicy Fruit's eye color is slightly different from Berry Punch's, but is that actually true? 76.9.87.146 15:34, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think it is, but I also think Juicy Fruit's got enough appearances now to warrant her own entry. And funny, I don't know why that Winter Wrap Up image has her classed as Berry Punch, my appearances list lists her as Juicy Fruit. --Kinrah 15:51, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

The differences between the Cherry Berry and Rainbowshine style manes are slight when only a single colour is used (as opposed to two, as usual with Rainbowshine's style). I'd generally consider any Pegasus version of Berry Punch to be Juicy Fruit. --Tulipclaymore 11:17, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Pokey Pierce/unnamed/Perry Pierce[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Pokey Pierce	Pokey Pierce/none
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	unicorn	unicorn	yes
Cutie mark	a safety pin	switches between a safety pin and an hourglass	sometimes
Coat color	blue	blue	yes
Mane color	white and blue-gray	white and blue-gray	yes
Mane style	Ponet style	Ponet style	yes
Eye color	blue	gold	no
Appearances	Call of the Cutie at 16:14 (eye color not shown), The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 at 3:48, Comic Con 2011 poster (cutie mark and eye color not shown)	various background appearances throughout the series (almost always from the front); cutie mark shown in Call of the Cutie at 18:04 (safety pin), in The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 at 2:30 (hourglass), and possibly in Sweet and Elite at the Wonderbolts Derby (possibly too distantly to make out)
Other	horns are different sizes
Current treatment	currently treated as the same pony


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Perry Pierce	Pokey Pierce/none
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	unicorn	unicorn	yes
Cutie mark	an hourglass	switches between a safety pin and an hourglass	sometimes
Coat color	blue	blue	yes
Mane color	white and blue-gray	white and blue-gray	yes
Mane style	Ponet style	Ponet style	yes
Eye color	amber	gold	no
Appearances	Sweet and Elite, always wearing a jacket	various background appearances throughout the series (almost always from the front); cutie mark shown in Call of the Cutie at 18:04 (safety pin), in The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 at 2:30 (hourglass), and possibly in Sweet and Elite at the Wonderbolts Derby (possibly too distantly to make out)
Other	horns are the same size
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies

For the first comparison, I'd say that they're separate ponies, but for the second comparison, I'm not quite sure. Someone who has a 1920x1080 display should probably look at the 1080p version of Sweet and Elite and see if the cutie mark can be made out. 76.9.87.146 15:34, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

This one is vexing. Pokey's eye colour can be seen in a later scene in Call of the Cutie (18:04): they're gold, like Perry Pierce's. The horn looks normal-sized. I believe I made the call when I put Perry Pierce (then Redcoat Pierce)'s name up for vote to regard most appearances of that particular design as the same pony except for the coat-and-chest-hair version. One could also argue that the cutie mark should be the most important factor instead (safety pin: Pokey Pierce; hourglass: Perry Pierce). --Tulipclaymore 23:32, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Comparisons updated; good catch, though Perry Pierce's eyes are amber, not gold. Also, is that really chest hair or just part of his outfit? And is it just me, or does the shot in The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 that shows Pokey Pierce with blue eyes also show Noteworthy (a normally gold-eyed blue stallion) with blue eyes? 76.9.72.161 00:25, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

The crowd shots in the entire episode are a bit slapdash and have already led to some frustration re: various variants of Amethyst Star and Dizzy Twister. Though funnily enough, Noteworthy's eyes are blue in the toy version. --Tulipclaymore 00:47, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

(same anonymous user again) Since the outfits in Sweet and Elite are generally formal wear, I think that's probably part of Perry Pierce's outfit rather than chest hair. 76.9.78.163 15:41, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Orion[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Orion	none yet
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth pony/unicorn	unicorn	no/yes
Cutie mark	stellar constellation	unknown	unknown
Coat color	white	white	yes
Mane color	blue	blue	yes
Mane style			no
Eye color	blue	blue	yes
Appearances	The Best Night Ever (Earth pony), Sweet and Elite (unicorn and Earth pony)	Sweet and Elite, Hearth's Warming Eve, The Last Roundup
Other	Sweet and Elite: the pony1 unicorn version looks like the Earth pony version, except for the horn, and appears in the garden party scene; so does the Earth pony version, in some shots pony2 appears in the stands at the derby (and appears like that in The Last Roundup, only without a hat)
Current treatment	presumably treated as the same pony

The appearance of a new pony with Orion's cutie mark has reminded me of this. This was briefly discussed in the comment section of the unicorn sublist two weeks ago, but with no proper outcome. --Tulipclaymore 02:09, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Pony2 also appears in Hearth's Warming Eve (with the faded color effect that several ponies in the play have); his cutie mark can be seen at 4:00, 5:16, 5:39 and 20:53, and is also a stellar constellation. Since Pony1 has appeared as a unicorn, the only constant difference between the two is half of the mane style (their hairstyles are different, but their tail styles are the same). I'd say that they're the same pony. 76.9.72.161 12:13, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Aw, he even wears another feather'd hat in that episode! I'd really like to use that as justification for giving him an entry of his own... But I can't, not with the same cutie mark. --Tulipclaymore 02:58, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and if they are decided to be the same pony, would that mean that Orion should be moved from List of ponies/Earth ponies to List of ponies/Unicorn ponies (due to having two unicorn versions and only one Earth pony version)? If so, his first appearance being as an Earth pony could still be noted in the same manner as Twilight Sky and Berry Pinch's respective first appearances being as Pegasi. 76.9.72.161 07:40, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Probably. We'd have to find a good profile image from Sweet and Elite, though. --Tulipclaymore 02:58, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

2:04 or 2:06 could work. 76.9.78.163 15:41, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds reasonable. Here there are at least two differences. Also, I don't think that the eye colors are the same. It could just be the lighting, but when one compares the eye color to the mane color, one can quite clearly see that the eyes are much lighter than the mane in the first picture and the eyes are darker than the mane in the second one. Just a suggestion... --DJTG 11:42, March 31, 2012 (UCT)

In the first picture his eyes aren't fully open; the upper part we can't see is darker than the lower part shown in that picture. You might be right about their eye colors not being the same, though... 76.9.78.163 19:24, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed that the new Pegasus with that cutie mark also has similar eye and mane colors. Too many differences (pony kind and coat color) for that one to be considered the same pony, but it could be worth noting in their entries. 76.9.78.163 19:24, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

The unicorn also appeared in Hearth's Warming Eve, playing as one from the tribe of the Unicorns. I think they should be listed as different ponies. Flippy Bear 00:32, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Lucky/Shamrock[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Lucky	Shamrock
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	three four-leaved clovers	three four-leaved clovers	yes
Coat color	light grey	light grey	yes
Mane color	dark grey	dark grey	yes
Mane style	Doctor Whooves style	partly obscured, but probably Doctor Whooves style	probably
Eye color	blue	blue	yes
Appearances	various background appearances throughout the series	Over a Barrel and The Last Roundup
Other	Lucky is clean-shaven while Shamrock has a mustache, and when Lucky wears a hat in Over a Barrel and The Last Roundup it's different from Shamrock's hat
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies on List of ponies

Not too sure about this one. I did notice that if you compare the crowd shots in Over a Barrel at 13:44 and 14:54, the copies of Lucky are replaced by copies of Shamrock. 76.9.78.163 16:05, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I personally think that these ponies should be considered the same pony. They seem alike in every way, except for the moustache. It might also be worth adding that Lucky can be seen wearing the same hat as Shamrock in the same episode. I think the best option here would be list them as the same pony, and say that the moustache is simply an abnormality (which is sctually the way I originally had it on his page until I noticed that they were two different ponies). I think that Pine Breeze and the (at this point) unnamed pony generated from Lucky in 'Putting Your Hoof Down' should also be considered the same pony, as the reasons for proposal to merge Lucky and Shamrock also apply to those two ponies. Maybe we can do them both in this comparison? What do you think? --DJTG 17:36, March 29, 2012 (UCT)

I tend to weigh the presence of facial hair very heavily, a major change like sex or kind, not a minor one like mane style or eye colour. I'd leave this one alone. --Tulipclaymore 02:53, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Shamrock's at least similar enough to be mentioned on the Lucky article. 76.9.78.163 15:41, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

True, I suppose. --Tulipclaymore 16:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree, I see the distinct difference between the two, the mustache is irrelevant.

17:55, April 2, 2012 (UTC)MLP4LYFE

I think Shamrock should be merged into Lucky. Lots of incidental ponies had an "appleloosian counterpart" in "Over a Barrel" (e.g. Berry Punch, Shoeshine, Golden Harvest, Lyra Heartstrings etc.). Such counterparts were basically the same as the original with the addition of a hat. Shamrock is just Lucky with a hat and a moustache and that thing on his neck. It seems to be Lucky's "appleloosian counterpart", he's just more detailed than the others. Flippy Bear (talk) 16:11, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Heart Throb/Pink Cloud[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Heart Throb / Pink Lighting	Pink Cloud
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unknown	Pegasus	unknown
Cutie mark	unknown	none	unknown
Coat color	light pink	light pink	yes
Mane color	brownish pink	brownish pink	yes
Mane style			yes
Eye color	brownish pink	brownish pink	yes
Appearances	Boast Busters (3:54)	The Ticket Master (2:27)
Other
Current treatment	pony1 is treated as Heart Throb in Kinrah's master appearances list, pony2 has her own entry

This one is not quite as clear because there are a couple of unknowns, but the Boast Busters appearance is probably Pink Cloud. One might also make an argument that both are actually appearances of Heart Throb/Airheart with a different eye colour since the other colour differences are due to shadow and filter use. It's a slight stretch, though, and would be a stronger argument if Pink Cloud appeared somewhere with either of the cutie marks above. --Tulipclaymore 19:20, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I happened to notice her in Putting Your Hoof Down at 8:12, though that shot doesn't seem to show her cutie mark either. 64.118.123.130 12:42, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed that she makes a few appearances during The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000; her cutie mark should be visible in the shot at 17:44, but I don't think she has one that time... 64.118.123.130 10:52, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Lucy Packard[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Lucy Packard	Lucy Packard
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	unicorn	no
Cutie mark	tornadoes	carrots	no
Coat color	sand	sand	yes
Mane color	orange	orange	yes
Mane style			yes
Eye color	maroon	maroon	yes
Appearances	Sonic Rainboom	Putting Your Hoof Down
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate versions of the same pony on List of ponies

The shirt and glasses are the same, but I was under the impression that two or more differences meant being treated as separate ponies. 64.118.123.130 06:33, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Usually yes, but these accessories are rare and not random. So my position has been to weigh them more heavily than, say, hats. When they're the same, they help me consider two ponies the same design despite two differences elsewhere, and the other way around. --Tulipclaymore 01:08, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Amethyst Star/Sunset Bliss[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Amethyst Star	Sunset Bliss
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	unicorn	earth	no
Cutie mark	three diamonds	three diamonds	yes
Coat color	pink	pink	yes
Mane color	two-tone purple	two-tone purple	yes
Mane style	Lyra Heartstrings style	Lyra Heartstrings style	yes
Eye color	purple	purple	yes
Appearances	Huge number of appearances throughout both seasons	the party in Call of the Cutie and singing in Best Night Ever, at least
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate on the list of ponies

Opinion as submitter: These should be merged into the same pony, with a note on Amethyst Star's page. Amethyst Star is a toy-official name, and Sunset Bliss hasn't gone through the Reddit system yet, so nothing really would be lost. --Kinrah 13:42, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

But is it the same two-tone purple? --Tulipclaymore 15:09, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

I think the tricky part is that Sunset Bliss has a filter on. (Note: I went to see if I could get a screenshot of the appearance in Call of the Cutie; it is actually Amethyst Star in that appearance, only her horn is layered so poorly you can't see it unless you're looking for it.) --Kinrah 15:34, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Sunset Bliss also appears singing in A Friend in Deed at 5:46 (during the Smile Song). 64.118.123.130 02:04, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Given that the colouration remains slightly different from Amethyst Star even in bright Smile sunlight, I'd leave the entries separate. --Tulipclaymore 01:28, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that these two are actually the same pony. In the time she's seen in The Best Night Ever, Sunset Bliss is beside Diamond Mint and Parasol, both who appear often in the episode along with Amethyst Star. I think the scene in question made Amethyst Star an Earth pony for the sake of equalizing the kinds of ponies marching to the gala, with Parasol as the pegasus and Diamond Mint as the unicorn. I don't think the animator responsible was all that concerned with the background character's continuity. --Pikmanipulator 15:56, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Apple Pie/Gingergold[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Apple Pie	Gingergold
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	earth pony	earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	three apple pies	unknown	unknown
Coat color	cream caramel	cream caramel	yes
Mane color	green with lighter streak	brown with lighter streak	no
Mane style	Apple Bumpkin style	Apple Bumpkin style	yes
Eye color	orange	unknown	unknow
Appearances	Friendship is Magic, part 1, Over a Barrel	Friendship is Magic, part 2
Other	In Friendship is Magic, part 1 Apple Pie has same bandana as Gingergold has.
Current treatment	currently treated as separate on the list of ponies

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mimi15 (talk • contribs) 14:12, May 24, 2012

Eye colour unknown, cutie mark unknown. Otherwise, I'd be all for chucking the pony in the same category of "animators went a little crazy for Friendship is Magic part 2" as a couple of the ponies above. --Tulipclaymore 20:22, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Shoeshine/unnamed/Screw Loose[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Shoeshine	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth pony	unknown	unknown
Cutie mark	two interlocking horseshoes	unknown	unknown
Coat color	blue	blue	yes
Mane color	periwinkle	periwinkle	yes
Mane style			no
Eye color	dark pink	dark pink	yes
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	Sweet and Elite and A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2
Other
Current treatment


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Screw Loose	unknown
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth pony	unknown	unknown
Cutie mark	screw	unknown	unknown
Coat color	blue	blue	yes
Mane color	periwinkle	periwinkle	yes
Mane style			no
Eye color	dark pink	dark pink	yes
Appearances	Read It and Weep	Sweet and Elite and A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2
Other
Current treatment

This fancy-dressed pony is much more likely to be Shoeshine than Screw Loose, especially since Sweet and Elite and A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2 also feature fancy-dressed versions of Bon Bon, Golden Harvest, and (in the former episode's case) Twinkleshine. But unlike those three and their common versions, no part of this fancy pony's mane style matches Shoeshine's. Can they still be called the same pony? 76.9.91.198 09:20, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Edited my tables because I remembered that Sea Swirl also appears dressed up fancy in Sweet and Elite and has her horn hidden under her hat, meaning that this fancy-dressed pony technically could be a unicorn. But I still think that she's just Shoeshine dressed up. 76.9.77.28 23:06, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Coconut/Palmer[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Coconut	Palmer
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	tree on island	tree on island	yes
Coat color	brown	sand	no
Mane color	blond	blond	yes
Mane style	Noteworthy/Goldengrape style	Noteworthy/Goldengrape style	yes
Eye color	purple	purple	yes
Appearances	various background appearances throughout the series	Over a Barrel at 16:45
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies on List of ponies

Their only difference is coat color, Coconut doesn't appear in the shot that Palmer appears in, and Coconut's even worn the same hat as Palmer. I think that Palmer should be merged into Coconut (and on a side note, Coconut and Meadow Song should probably have their own articles). 76.9.74.202 11:00, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Okay on the merger. --Tulipclaymore 03:04, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Tornado Bolt[]

Tornado Bolt/Little Hoof[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Tornado Bolt	Little Hoof
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus, unicorn in Lesson Zero	Earth pony	no
Cutie mark	tornado in Call of the Cutie, none in other episodes	horseshoe in Call of the Cutie, none in Dragonshy	sometimes
Coat color	gray	gray	yes
Mane color	purple	purple	yes
Mane style	Alula/Cotton Cloudy style	Alula/Cotton Cloudy style	yes
Eye color	green	green	yes
Appearances	various background appearances throughout the series	Dragonshy at 1:46, Call of the Cutie at 19:33
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies on List of ponies

Background fillies' cutie marks tend to be all over the place, especially in Call of the Cutie. Little Hoof seems to be just Tornado Bolt as an Earth pony. 76.9.74.202 11:00, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it. --Tulipclaymore 03:06, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Fillies keep changin cutie marks... Flippy Bear (talk) 00:53, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Tornado Bolt/Cyan Skies[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Tornado Bolt	Cyan Skies
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus, unicorn in Lesson Zero	Pegasus	most of the time
Cutie mark	tornado in Call of the Cutie, none in other episodes	none	most of the time
Coat color	gray	cyan	no
Mane color	purple	purple	yes
Mane style	Alula/Cotton Cloudy style	Alula/Cotton Cloudy style	yes
Eye color	green	green	yes
Appearances	various background appearances throughout the series	Call of the Cutie at 15:23 and 15:55, The Cutie Pox at 9:01
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies on List of ponies

Their only real difference is coat color, but they've appeared together on two occasions (and in shots with no real duplicates in them). I'd leave these separate, but I figured I'd bring it up here anyway in case other people feel differently. 76.9.74.202 11:00, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Lance[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images		no image
Name(s) on the wiki	Lance	various
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth pony or unicorn	Earth pony, Pegasus in Sonic Rainboom	possibly
Cutie mark	unknown	various	N/A
Coat color	gray	various	N/A
Mane color	blue	various	N/A
Mane style	Time Turner/Meadow Song style (mane), other style (tail)	Time Turner/Meadow Song style	yes (mane) and no (tail)
Eye color	unknown	various	N/A
Appearances	The Cutie Pox at 16:21 and 16:26
Other
Current treatment	Lance currently treated as a colt on List of ponies

This is a pony attribute comparison rather than a pony comparison. Lance is currently listed as a colt due to the height of Snails and Atlas, but Lance's mane (though not his tail) appears to be in the same style used by a number of stallions (including Time Turner, Meadow Song, Lucky, Eiffel, and Melilot) but not by any colts. I believe that Lance is a stallion rather than a colt. 76.9.74.202 11:00, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

He's probably in puberty, all confused and composed of both foal and stallion features ;). On a serious note, the apparent height weighs pretty heavily in this case, and since the tail doesn't match either... --Tulipclaymore 03:01, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Cherry Cola/Black Stone[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Cherry Cola	Black Stone
Sex	male	male	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	pair of cherries	pair of cherries	yes
Coat color	light tan	brown	no
Mane color	dark gray	dark gray	yes
Mane style	Caramel/Royal Riff style	Caramel/Royal Riff style	yes
Eye color	green	green	yes
Appearances	various background appearances throughout the series	Over a Barrel
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies on List of ponies

This is kind of a combination of the Coconut/Palmer and Tornado Bolt/Little Hoof comparisons above; the only difference is coat color and they've both worn the same hat, but one of the shots that Black Stone appears in has Cherry Cola in it as well (6:55; also with no real duplicates in it). Further complicating things is that Black Stone does have a speaking role (saying "Okay, you pull now" to Noteworthy). I'm on the fence about this one, but I guess I'd lean toward keeping them separate... (Again on a side note, Cherry Cola, like Coconut and Meadow Song, should probably have his own article.) 76.9.74.202 14:10, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I would leave them alone for now. (Regarding articles, somebody just has to write them and, especially, commit to produce decent appearances tables.) --Tulipclaymore 02:59, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Petunia/Purple Haze[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Petunia	Purple Haze
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Earth pony	yes
Cutie mark	Flank blank/none	Flank blank/none	yes
Coat color	Dark Purple	Dark Purple	yes
Mane color	Dark Purple	Dark Purple	yes
Mane style	like Golden Harvest's	like Apple Bloom, Tail like Caramel's tail	no
Eye color	Purple	Purple	yes
Appearances	Converses with Chilly Puddle in The Cutie Mark Chronicles and waits in line with her in Applejack's fantasy in The Ticket Master.	according to the List entry, Appears in Applejack's fantasy in The Ticket Master.
Other
Current treatment	used to be treated as two ponies on the list

Exept from the mane/tail style all other match, and the applejack fantasy is the only moment for Purple Haze, maybe a duplicate (like all the 5 Derpys in winterwrap up) or an animator mistake, I suggest merge in Petunia since she appeared more...opinions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.188.44.18 (talk • contribs) 11:11, August 5, 2012‎

The second pony's mane/tail style is the same as Parasol and Sassaflash, actually. Not Apple Bloom + Caramel. Also, her eyes seem to be actually blue, to me. I don't know, I think they should be kept as different ponies... Flippy Bear (talk) 20:00, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

I've taken a look at Petunia's appearance in The Ticket Master, and even under the same lighting conditions, her colours (both coat and mane) are slightly darker/less faded. Plus, like Flippy Bear says, Purple Haze's eyes are slightly more blueish. Duplicates of both ponies appear numerous times in the same scene. So I'd also be (slightly) more in favour of keeping the entries separate. --Tulipclaymore (talk) 20:32, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Wind Whistler/recolored manes[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Wind Whistler	Electric Blue
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	two lightning bolts	two lightning bolts	yes
Coat color	teal	teal	yes
Mane color	yellow	pink	no
Mane style	same as Parasol	same as Parasol	yes
Eye color	brown	brown	yes
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	Winter Wrap Up 17:26
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as different ponies


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Wind Whistler	Opal Water
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	two lightning bolts	not shown	unknown
Coat color	teal	teal	yes
Mane color	yellow	purple	no
Mane style	same as Parasol	same as Parasol	yes
Eye color	brown	brown	yes
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	Winter Wrap Up 05:10
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as different ponies


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Wind Whistler	Chocolate Blueberry
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	two lightning bolts	two lightning bolts	yes
Coat color	teal	teal	yes
Mane color	yellow	brown	no
Mane style	same as Parasol	same as Parasol	yes
Eye color	brown	brown	yes
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	Winter Wrap Up 15:15
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as different ponies


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Wind Whistler	Bluebird Happiness/Sassaflash
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	two lightning bolts	two lightning bolts	yes
Coat color	teal	blue	almost
Mane color	yellow	green	no
Mane style	same as Parasol	same as Parasol	yes
Eye color	brown	brown	yes
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	Winter Wrap Up 19:08
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as different ponies

It's the very same situation as Derpy. During Winter Wrap Up, they got this pegasus and recolored her mane several times, so that it would look that there were more ponies working. I say we should merge these recolors into Wind Whistler and mention her recolors in her article.
I also think we should then rename Wind Whistler to Sassaflash, because a) "They're all the same pony". And b) The leaked prototype of the de-crystalized Sassaflash blind bag toy showed her with the yellow mane of "Wind Whistler". And the sooner she is named with her official name, the better. Flippy Bear (talk) 16:49, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

For the first three, I would agree. Bluebird Happiness is different enough in colouration to be kept separate (it's why she got the Sassaflash name in the first place). Regarding the second point, I really don't think this needs to be relitigated. The toy has been announced, and we'll know its name when it comes out at the very latest (but probably sooner). --Tulipclaymore (talk) 17:34, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

The rest of the discussion concerned the toy, not the Wind Whistler variants. I moved it here. --Tulipclaymore (talk) 15:01, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

If Bluebird Happiness (blue coat - green mane) is considered "close enough" to Sassaflash (teal coat - teal/yellow mane), why can't she be considered close enough to Wind Whistler (teal coat - yellow mane)? 187.126.69.88 22:41, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Bluebird Happiness shows two differences (coat and mane) from the Wind Whistler base model. That's usually enough for a separate entry. The comparison with the toy is completely separate from that. --Tulipclaymore (talk) 22:49, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

The color of their coats look close enough to be considered the same pony, for me. Lucky was "bluefied" in one scene of "The Best Night Ever"... As for the changing mane color, it happened various times with her, Derpy, and probably other incidental ponies as well, during the episode. Flippy Bear (talk) 22:39, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Look! One more! 187.126.69.8800:26, August 18, 2012 (UTC)


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Wind Whistler	S01E11 Unnamed Pegasus Mare #2
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Pegasus	yes
Cutie mark	two lightning bolts	two lightning bolts	yes
Coat color	teal	teal	yes
Mane color	yellow	light green	no
Mane style	same as Parasol	same as Parasol	yes
Eye color	brown	brown	yes
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	Winter Wrap Up 15:59
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as different ponies

Noi/unnamed[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Noi	unnamed/Noi
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Earth pony or Pegasus	possibly
Cutie mark	none/various	unknown	unknown
Coat color	yellow	purple	no
Mane color	orange	orange	yes
Mane style	Piña Colada/Half Note style	partly obscured, but probably Piña Colada/Half Note style	probably
Eye color	purple	purple	yes
Appearances	various background appearances throughout the series	Ponyville Confidential at 6:25 (on the right edge of the screen)
Other
Current treatment	apparently treated as the same pony

These two do appear in the same shot (in which Noi has a speaking role), but they aren't onscreen simultaneously; however, Noi's companion Half Note does move from one end of the shot to the other by the time it finishes moving. Ponies with this mane style are almost always Earth ponies, and background fillies' cutie marks tend to not matter anyway (since they're rarely consistent), but since we technically don't know for sure if there are enough similarities, I'm uncertain whether or not this purple filly should be considered a coat color variation of Noi. 76.9.82.128 18:47, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

I think It's Noi with Dinky Doo's color scheme. Plus Noi's purple eyes... Flippy Bear (talk) 22:23, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Orange Blossom/Doseydotes[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Orange Blossom	Doseydotes
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Pegasus	Earth pony	no
Cutie mark	three umbrellas	none/unknown	no/unknown
Coat color	lavender	lavender	yes
Mane color	blonde	blonde	yes
Mane style	Parasol style	Rainbow Dash style	no
Eye color	orange	orange	yes
Appearances	The Ticket Master, Call of the Cutie, The Best Night Ever, Sweet and Elite, A Friend in Deed	Friendship is Magic, part 2
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies on List of ponies

The Earth pony version's lack of cutie mark is probably just an animation error, and the Rainbow Dash mane style can presumably be disregarded (since multiple background ponies have used that style while running, most prominently Amethyst Star and Lyra Heartstrings). The flower makes it very likely that these are versions of the same pony. 76.9.82.128 09:10, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Seems likely to me, though I'm not sure we can just dismiss the running mane style unless you can show two images for comparison where a pony with the same style as Orange Blossom has that style when running (and preferably not as part of a crowd that has other glitches like red-eyed Lyra in it). ~Bobogoobo (talk) 40?cb=20120702121758

01:21, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, let's merge them into Orange Blossom. Flippy Bear (talk) 22:25, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Bon Bon/unnamed[]


Attribute	Pony 1	Pony 2	Identical?
Images
Name(s) on the wiki	Bon Bon	unnamed
Sex	female	female	yes
Kind	Earth pony	Earth pony or Pegasus	possibly
Cutie mark	three wrapped candies	unknown	unknown
Coat color	pale cream	bluish gray	no
Mane color	navy blue and pink	navy blue and pink	yes
Mane style	Shoeshine style (mane and tail)	Shoeshine style (mane)	yes (mane)/probably (tail)
Eye color	cyan	cyan	yes
Appearances	common background pony, appears throughout both seasons	Winter Wrap Up
Other
Current treatment	currently treated as separate ponies on List of ponies

Similar to the Noi comparison above, but in this case leaning a bit more toward being the same pony (since these two don't appear in the same shot and only half of the unnamed one's mane/tail style is technically unknown). 76.9.82.128 09:10, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

She's one of four ponies that sing the repeat "'cause tomorrow spring is here" part with RD and then with Pinkie. I didn't look for the other three, but at least this one I don't see anywhere else during the song. Since, as I recall, there were also a ton of recolored Pegasi in Winter Wrap Up (and Bon Bon herself appeared in many scenes, including some obvious duplicates), I'd support moving this to a Bon Bon recolor and mentioning the part she sings (especially if we know similar details for the other three she's with). ~Bobogoobo (talk) 40?cb=20120702121758

01:21, August 21, 2012 (UTC)