Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Mannheim stabbing

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The result was keep‎. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Mannheim stabbing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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WP:NOTNEWS. Nothing to indicate that this will generate significant lasting coverage.TheLongTone (talk) 14:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC) TheLongTone (talk) 14:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Germany. Skynxnex (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep

  1. The event has a lot of news coverage

  2. There is a clear perpetrator who was caught on camera

  3. There are multiple victims

  4. The police have released a report on the incident in its immediate aftermath Salfanto (talk) 15:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You do know that this is only the first day of the event right? Salfanto (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is all the more reason why we should not have an article on it. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The attack has received widespread global attention and clear impact on the highest political levels in Germany for a politically motivated attack on notable Islam-critic Michael Stürzenberger. Clear indications that this will have significant lasting impact/coverage. See also Stabbing of Salman Rushdie and 2024 Wakeley church stabbing (bishop Mari Emmanuel) for similar recent attacks. Thismess (talk) 16:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Widespread coverage. Obvious keep. Thriley (talk) 17:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This nominator have a history of deletion nomination which fail to pass, its obvious that this guy have no idea about the deletion criteria Afif Brika1 (talk) 18:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Why are you attacking the editor and not the nomination itself? I looked through his past nominations and they were all fine and consensus agreed with him/is agreeing with him. His AfD stats show 75%+ which is a fine number for AfD.

  As to the article itself, even though it may achieve notability in the future it has yet to. WP:TOOSOON applies here and we should not be creating these articles the minute these events occur. Thus I support the nomination in Delete (Or turning into a draft) until it is actually possible for notability to be ascertained. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Not only agreeing with the editor above, but considering the past week of news regarding the surge of right-wing nationalism in Germany, this attack will surely stir something in the coming days/weeks. Volkish Kurden (talk) 19:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Michael Stürzenberger would appear to be a notable victim and the perpetrator is likely to face trial. There is likely to be ongoing media coverage. At least allow the German judicial processes to run their course, before passing final judgement. This incident is already a sub-article of the Michael Stürzenberger, so a Merger with that article is also an alternative to deletion. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 21:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Michael Stürzenberger. There are alot of WP:CRYSTAL arguments here. I see no reason why this can't be covered in another article for the time being. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Stabbing of Salman Rushdie and Salman Rushdie are separate articles; and also taking into account that there were others affected in the attack besides Michael Stürzenberger himself, I think it is best to keep them as independent articles. ComradeHektor (talk) 04:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a clear case of WP:RAPID. Not even a day has passed since the event. The initial news coverage has not passed yet, and we're talking about lasting notability that can't really be proven until at least a few weeks later. The attack also involves notable activist and critic of Islam Michael Stürzenberger. Also considering the recent stabbing attacks in Australia (2024 Wakeley church stabbing and Bondi Junction stabbings) still in the news cycle and the current surge of right-wing nationalism in Germany, I think there will be signifiant news coverage in the next few days. 106.71.58.30 (talk) 04:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep notable people involved and the whole event was recorded which will of course circulate the internet for years to come, and therefore I think deserves a stand-alone article. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 05:45, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Clearly notable violent event with a famous person involved, multiple injuries and one fatality. Killuminator (talk) 18:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this article as it is a major event with where a known figure was attacked and one person was killed in the result of the attack. In my opinion this event is worth of having it's own wikipedia article Szymonexis (talk) 12:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment:

1. when a politician is attacked, it is notable and important for history/archive/future reference. Compare with shooting of Slovak prime minister.
2. it already has very significant coverage not only in Germany but internationally - every major newspaper in Sweden ran a story.
3. this will become a major thing in right-wing circles as well as anti-immigration circles. That makes a Wikipedia-article and factual foundation even more important. 83.185.46.97 (talk) 07:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Plenty of national and international coverage, high-profile and public incident, multiple victims, etc. Johndavies837 (talk) 12:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep no doubt in that in my opinion Braganza (talk) 12:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.

1. Although this is related to Michael Stürzenberger in that the event happened during one of his protests, the event attack is not just related to him and his protest, but has a wider character including whether German Police policies and training were instrumental or contributory to the death of the policeman (which has nothing to do with Michael Stürzenberger)

2. The stabbing has received global media coverage to an worldwide audience for whom Michael Stürzenberger is an unknown or at least ancillary figure.

3. If the stabbing hadn't happened Michael Stürzenberger's protest would have been unreported beyond the local media of Mannheim.

4. To subjugate the murder of the policeman as a sub-topic of Michael Stürzenberger's wiki entry would be to diminish the policeman's bravery and tarnish his death in service, when in fact his courage and sacrifice should be lauded. 92.238.123.206 (talk) 20:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP Loads of media coverage by both media and on social media Ghostingb (talk) 21:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have any of the keep votes readWP:NOTNEWS. Altho having read that the first victim is notable I'd amend my opinion to a merge to this unpleasant individual's article.TheLongTone (talk) 13:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

1. I know nothing about the person in question, but noted that you seem to hold unfavorable views of him. Quote: "merge to this unpleasant individual's article".
2. is it possible that your negative views of the person affect your judgement?
3. you are very alone in thinking that this shouldn't be a standalone article. 83.185.46.97 (talk) 13:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My opinion of the victim is neither here nor there. It does not affect my opinion that this is an event that will generate no lasting coverage. TheLongTone (talk) 13:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• DeleteMerge to Michael Stürzenberger: This is a BLP violation. Low profile individuals have been named in this article as having committed crimes without any conviction being obtained. Per WP:BLPCRIME this shouldn't be happening. This needs to be sent to draft at the very least. However it would be better to merge any useful material to the Michael Stürzenberger article as they seem to be the only notable person in this incident. TarnishedPath^talk 15:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• This event has caused a widespread media-echo, at least in the German-speaking countries. There's also an outrage, how this could happen. Yes, we are looking at a party/movement that is Islam-critical to Anti-Islamic, and attacker who seems to be from Afghanistan (so likely a Muslim), but who has lived in Germany for some time and is married to a German woman. It is likely that this event will stay in the heads of the people, and not be linked to one of the proponents of the party who organized the event where it happened. In that context, the focus should be to keep this article, and to amend what is missing from the German-language version, rather than deleting it.--Eptalon (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep are you for real? Tons of coverage and this is on par with 2023 Quran burnings in Sweden and 2019 London Bridge stabbing. Alexceltare2 (talk) 10:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A multiple casualty incident by European norms which occurred amid heated sociocultural discussions in Germany and the continent, further exacerbated by the EP election. Borgenland (talk) Borgenland (talk) 16:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: 1 person is dead. Borgenland (talk) 06:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Wikipedia is not a newspaper or a repository of news stories. Any !vote suggesting that it's notable based solely on news coverage should be discarded. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As per WP:N(E), widespread coverage for an extended duration of time comprises notability. Newgrass 82 (talk) 00:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Several people were stabbed and it resulted in the death of a police officer, furthermore the event recieved world wide news coverage. Durraz0 (talk) 18:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Still meets WP:COVERAGE and has global coverage; meets WP:NEWSEVENT. --WikiLinuz (talk) 20:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• keep notorious victim, numerous sources, high level political reactions, possible influence on incoming elections. Diderot1 (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It's an assassination attempt against a notable German Islam-critic, the attack caused many casualties, and the attack has been commented on by dozens of politicians and received widespread (and also international) coverage. This is clearly a significant event and not just a normal news story. Sarrotrkux (talk) 21:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Yes, I have read WP:NOTNEWS. Going to WP:N(E) from there, my judgement is that this event is definitely significant and interesting enough to keep. Newgrass 82 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have read WP:NOTNEWS, too, and I think that this article is not an original reporting (it is quite well referenced), it is not a WP:ROUTINE event (the mass stabbing happened during a political rally coming just one week before hotly-contested European elections, in which immigration is an hot topic), for sure it is WP:NOTGOSSIP. P1221 (talk) 08:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This is an important event which has received lots of international coverage. Moondragon21 (talk) 16:304, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep and close. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Abstain per most above; see WP:SNOWBALL and just get this over with.--~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 16:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep I don't fault the nominator, but this article has grown a lot in the last few days as the coverage continues to expand and in my opinion it clearly passes WP:GNG and WP:NOTNEWS. Inter&anthro (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There's been another stabbing in the very same city, a far right politician is the target again so I think we can put a fork in this discussion and possibly expand the scope of the article to include the new stabbing as well. Killuminator (talk) 14:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete A minor incident that is unfortunate but will soon be forgotten by almost everyone. Low notability.--EpicAdventurer (talk) 07:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Epic remark, indeed. I take it as sarcasm, for those who don't get it. A policeman is dead. 2003:C6:373C:F127:5099:D27:9B2D:4E98 (talk) 15:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  We are neither a newspaper nor a media agency! EpicAdventurer (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and move to Assault on Michael Stürzenberger as the was the target (still is a target for many radicals, probably). Open hostility to him and his views is shown here and elsewhere. Also, a few days later, a "2024 Mannheim stabbing, part deux" on a local politician when he caught a guy who had removed/stolen his posters. 2003:C6:373C:F127:5099:D27:9B2D:4E98 (talk) 15:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep widespread global news coverage _└ ^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per P1221. Procyon117 (talk) 18:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose renaming I already voted keep a few days ago but I want to add that I'm opposed to changing the title to 'Assault on Michael Stürzenberger' or something similar. There are multiple victims here and the only fatality was a police officer, not Stürzenberger. The police officer, Rouven Laur, has received significant media coverage as well. I'm also not sure whether there's enough evidence to say the attacker specifically targeted Stürzenberger or just the rally in general. Johndavies837 (talk) 10:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.