Final Fantasy Wiki:Dragon's Neck Colosseum/Archive XVI

Votes for the Teacher[]

1. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 04:27, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
2. Black? Are we mourning a death? Oh wait... --BiggsandWedge 04:28, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
3. --ClixPsi 05:17, November 2, 2010 (UTC) I'd consider Jihl if she was more than a two-scene character.
4. Rinoa Leonheart 20:42, November 12, 2010 (UTC) Oh YEAH!
5. Whip > riding crop. Doreiku Kuroofangu 06:05, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
6. she's 18 and she whips people! LionLostInTime 08:03, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
7. I still wish Quistis was a real life person... Cause she is soooo damn fine :3 NarutoDetective 09:09, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
8. Because VIII was a great game, and I haven't been able to play XIII yet.Bond em7 11:47, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
9. Blue Mage > Villain you don't ever get to actually fight. Plus Quistis is hot and she wields a whip. Whip it good!  TheBlueDragoon 13:57, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
10. Quistis is usable, Jihl struck me as largely pointless...Balthierfan 14:03, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
11. There was actually character development with Quisits. With Jihl, there are very few scenes with her in them before she's offed. Besides...Jihl's a bitch. -Der Eins-Geflügeltes Engel, 2 November 2010 (08:46)
12. Quistis all the way. :3 Judge Balthier 22:12, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
13. Quistis would "whip" Jihl. I'm sorry... Blue Ivory 23:50, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
14. great character from a great game NeoExdeath 04:53, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
15. A realy hard choise. I liked Jihl, but you hardly see her, don't get to fight her and she have no background. Quistis on the other hand is a PC, are one of my standard partymembers and got loads of backstory, but has a lame personality (as all of the ff8 cast, sorry), lame background and less good looks than Jihl. But stil... The Rood Inverse 12:14, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
16. White Mage From Hell, 2 November 2010
17. Jihl was heavily underused, and I felt sympathy for Quistis, so Quistis gets my vote. SamSandy 15:55, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
18. Did someone actually expect Quistis to lose? Master Conjurer 17:05, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
19. I like chocolate milk. Xcanox
20. Quistis could just take off her glasses and Laser Eye Jihl in the face. Alpha&Omega 17:44, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
21. Quistis actually has character development, unlike Jihl. Hytey 20:36, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
22. TREPIES!!!!!!! SquallRocks 17:28, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
23. Degenerator on the Island Closest to Hell is the best way to level up. Trust me. That, and Jihl simply isn't that deep of a character, unfortunately. Same goes for Yaag and the NORA members. --Haveanicedays 22:34, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
24. Quistis is amazing! She was one of the best in my party, and Jihl is a total hag. :p User:KriousArmania
25. Who is the other person again? oh yea! She wasn't around long enough to properly introduce herself. :D Razordash 03:00, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
26. Can't decide which cheesy 80s song reference I should go with- "Whip It" or "Hot For Teacher"? FlamesOfRebirth 06:32, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
27. Lord Noctis 19:26, November 4, 2010 (UTC) Tough choice so I'm voting for the better game here. [User:Lord Noctis|Lord Noctis] 19:25, November 4, 2010
28. No contest. Rafflesia 20:21, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
29. Dodongray23 11:25, November 5, 2010 (UTC) QUISTIS, FF8 FTW!!! :D
30. She's a wee bit more important to the story. KujaRhapsodos 12:26, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
31. Obvious, choice, is obvious. I barely even remember the other one. Agent0042 21:42, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
32. Well, I don't know this character, but Jihl was highly annoying. Given the landslide this is becoming, I would say we are under code rainbow. User:axel-burned 17:21, November 6, 2010
33. Blue Magic gets my vote :) Diamond Dragoon 10:15, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
34. MMLN メーマウリアン 11:30, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
35. I say Quistis!!! Quistis is more hotter than Jihl, besides Quistis is more badass than Jihl too!!! User:CaelumFleuret97 19:16, November 7, 2010
36. Come on, are you serious? Jihl did absolutely nothing. Nokareon 08:21, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
37. Munk451 13:30, November 8, 2010 (UTC) This battle is one-sided. Jihl was worthless, Quistis kicked ass, enough said.
38. Aside from the fact that I'm a total Trepe-Groupie... She carries a whip and is generally just badass... Jihl is indeed a hag, and Shockwave Pulsar = Annihilation, y'know? The Pain Of Anima 06:49, November 09, 2010 (UTC)
39. WOW Fluffy moogle 18:15, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
40. Well, I think it's fairly obvious who would win. No contest. No78
41. I finished 13 and played 1/20th of 8 and I'm going with Quitis. Jihl never got a chance to do anything other than torture Sazh and die... It's not her fault, but her resume is lacking. Also, Squall X Quitis. I thought that for a while...
42. There was WAY more character building with Quistis than there was with Jihl. Besides, sexy 19-year-old teacher beats sexy bitch any day of the week. -Der Eins-Geflügeltes Engel 15:56, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
43. Kamikaze Pardee 01:16, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for the Officer[]

1. --Strife95 04:32, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
2. Koharu Nami 06:09, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
3. Definitely better at all aspects. LC 10:31, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
4. 1. I just like her more than Quistis. 2. FFXIII > FFVII RazielZero 11:40, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
5. Tonberi
6. If you follow the MM-tourney, you will surely notice me being repetitive here, but still... This is a vote for a character with a hell of a lot of potential, which sadly had to go way too early and was thus severly underused. Jihl had a great deal of potential as an antagonist, and I would have really liked to see more of her. Quistis on the other hand... Well, I do consider here a good character, but I just think Ms. Nabaat is more awesome. MirrorshardSceada 14:07, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
7. She commands Yaag Rosch (spelling?) Yaag weilds this games incarnation of the masamune, immortal weaponn of Sephiroth so this is where my vote goes Auron-ftw
8. For the tight, body-hugging clothing and out of sympathy too. But VIII >>>>> XIII though. 1stclasswarrior 23:02, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
9. I like her much more than Quistis. The worst thing is her absence in boss battle.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 16:56, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. Haters gonna hate. 10:43

If this were a beauty contest, obviously Jihl - being gorgeous, as opposed to a rather plain Quistis. But in combat? never played FFXIII. As it is Jihl gets sympathy vote. #121.72.243.194 02:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

I thought TA was being lazy with the colors on the last fight, basically just switching them around from the fight prior. I now see I underestimated him. Doreiku Kuroofangu 06:05, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

There's no predominant color really. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 02:16, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Orangish-pink for Quistis, black-violet for Jihl. Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:19, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Is it bad if all I see is black and grey?Bond em7 13:38, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Man there are some Edit buttons missing here... And once again I find the fight uninspired and late. I can't bring myself to vote here anymore :( Hamfruitcake 09 09:57, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

I know how you feel. Might I suggest some other alternative arenas to suit your voting needs? We have the Soul Shrine, the Dragon's Den, The Palamecia Arena and the Flan's Elbow Colosseum.  TheBlueDragoon 14:00, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

I was tempted to vote for Jihl and say that it wasn't breaking the boycott because the result of this fight is so obvious that my vote would be irrelevant anyway. Then I realised that since the result's so obvious, it's another pointless fight, thus reinforcing the reasons to boycott.

P.S. Thanks for the ad, TBD :P -- Sorceror Nobody  17:58, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I have been putting my votes elsewhere ;) The fights here have been so rubbish lately, I'll wait and see if Terra vs Zidane makes an unwelcome return. Hamfruitcake 09 18:12, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yay! My suggestion (finally) got in....wow everything looks so terribad using Wikia's new look. :/ Judge Balthier 22:12, November 2, 2010 (UTC) EDIT:"I just don't see it... Whats the resemblance here again?" ...You must be blind. :]

No problem SN. This "arena" as really lost its flair.  TheBlueDragoon 22:59, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

TA, please don't remove our comments just because they cast the DNC in a less than favourable light. You are the only person who can really do anything to change people's minds about the DNC, and removing people's comments isn't exactly going to endear you to them, ne? -- Sorceror Nobody  15:22, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Has he not established by now he doesn't care what we think or want? Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:15, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Exceptionally so. Why do you think I'm highlighting the fact that he removed the comments, rather than just quietly restoring them? :P -- Sorceror Nobody  17:29, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

I removed your comments because they had nothing to do with the fight at hand, which I have some tradition of doing. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 00:35, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I said the fight was late and uninspried. That is definitely relative. Hamfruitcake 09 14:36, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

I read Mirrior shards reason that Jihl was high pontential gone to waste, I sort of agree with that. I like villains who toys with peoples emotions just to complete her goal. Truely a villain like character, but considering she rarely had any screen time... she had very poor development. Doesn't matter anymore, she's just another minor puppet to the Grand Schemes. Razordash 04:08, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

New fight kiddies - Kain vs Fang! Come one come all, don't be shy! Doreiku Kuroofangu 15:43, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

More shameless advertising Drake? Hang you're head in shame and sit in the corner for a while =P Likeacupcake 15:45, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Since everyone else is doing it. Two new fights Sunday at 7PM California time!  TheBlueDragoon 21:54, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Damnit, I can't vote on this one. They're both majorly hot, and from games I like. I'd do 'em both. And just for the record, I'm a girl. Escaflowne X 17:33, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

this feels like Bangaa V. Vierra all over again... aah good landslide times... Pyarox 21:53, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I just cried myself to sleep...Squall lost......*SOOOOB* Anyway, go landslide victory for an under appreciated character! SquallRocks 17:50, November 8, 2010. (UTC)

Squall only lost because my vote got deleted... Pyarox 14:36, November 9, 2010 (UTC) (p.s. week is over new fight pl0x)

I CREATED A NEW ARENA!!! ARENA OF ABSOLUTE VIRTUE ALL KINDS OF FIGHTS ARE WELCOME! KayReeed 03:26, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Who remembers Terra vs Zidane? Come on over and vote! Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:44, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

CHANGE THE *CENSORED* FIGHT ALREADY! Pyarox 10:27, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Vanille[]

1. --Strife95 23:32, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
2. VANILLE 8D How I'd love to be Fang right now. Vanille, I love thee~! Will you... accept me? KujaRhapsodos 23:35, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
3. Koharu Nami 23:48, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
4. --No.i 23:58, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
5. I'll back up the central protagonist of FFXIII. Not really sure why. Don't really care either way for this battle. --ClixPsi 00:04, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
6. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 01:04, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
7. Cute. LC 01:21, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
8. Purple lightning 15:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
9. Hottest girl in the series. EVER! 1stclasswarrior 15:55, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
10. They seem so similar. But I'm gonna go for the one with pink hair. :DMynameissora 16:00, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
11. Don't know what happened to my vote...But hey, Vanille is less annoying then Rikku, and if you touched Rikku, odds are she would be sticky... Exdeath64 20:14, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
12. Rinoa Leonheart 21:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC) Oh Yeah
13. Don't care much about this fight much either....I'm just voting for fun. (I HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE!!!)KayReeed 21:28, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
14. She looks so innocent...until you found out that she's not...SquallRocks 17:45, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
15. I like both characters. They're happy girls who keep the party going. But Vanille has Hecatoncheir! Cloudy Krystal 22:50, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
16. Both of them are cute and sexy, but Vanille is just way more hotter and adorable. RazielZero 23:09, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
17. Munk451 01:14, October 23, 2010 (UTC) Vanille's attacks are nice, and quite viable in FF13, and her voice is not annoying.
18. Go Vanille! You're sooo epic :D
19. ZazComet 16:27, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
20. Glad to see I'm not the only one who like's Vanille. User:beano93 18.09, October 24 2010
21. I'm in love with Vanille... She is HAAAWWTTNESS incarnate :3 NarutoDetective 04:48, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
22. I'll have to vote for Vanille , just because I've never played FFX and I find Vanille to be quite cute. User:Rexes 12:48 October 28, 2010 (UTC)
23. Haveanicedays 06:19, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
24. 3 Reasons. I: FFXIII > FFX. II: Vanille simply has a much better story and a deeper character development. III: The picture of Rikku here is the X-2 Rikku. KaiserPaladin 05:53, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
25. One word: Death. No78 12:37, October 27, 2010
26. Well, at least part of her outfit is in the least practical. Not to mention that somehow her sob story w/ Sazh, as he learns of her deeds, nearly made me pity her. Celetar 23:35, October 27, 2010 (UTC)Celetar
27. She's got a cool accent. XxRikku-chanxX 00:36, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
28. Come on Hecaton15 26 17:00, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
29. Kamikaze Pardee 02:56, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
30. As awesome and badass as Rikku is, that sexy Austrailian accent gets me every time... plus Hecatonchier is overkill in its purest form. User:Lord Xale 16:47, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. Rikku annoys me too much. 206.248.99.28 01:29, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
2. I love both characters, but Vanille wins by just a little. Mostly because I've finished XIII and have yet do so with X. 71.235.164.33 20:38, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
3. 88.151.27.235 10:51, October 23, 2010 (UTC) I found Vanille a little annoying at first but she eventually won me over with her Australian sweetie-pie charm.
4. I really like Vanille; despite how childish she may seem at times, she is a lot deeper than you would expect. She was a very good character (development-wise) and I loved her and Sazh during Chapter 8.24.2.22.202 02:18, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Rikku[]

1. WTH? I'm the only person choosing a girl that's actually cute over the barely passable Australian accent? Master Conjurer 02:59, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
2. Voting for the one character in FFX with the guts to put that asshat racist Wakka in his place. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:05, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
3. MasterTonberry 04:27, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
4. how can i vote against Rikku? xD Pyarox 08:24, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
5. Dodongray23 09:19, October 22, 2010 (UTC) Rikku FTW!!!!! :D
6. My (tied for) second favorite character in X, versus my (tied for) least favorite character in XIII. No contest, really. Escaflowne X 11:08, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
7. Yeah my fight finally got in :D and plus rikku just seems more tollerable, in FFX anyway (FFX-2 Never happened~_~)Victorious44 12:22, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
8. bibliomaniac15 05:36, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
9. Despite these two being very similar characters, I have to choose Rikku because she provides more laughs in the games she's in. Vanille's comical moments are more awkward than amusing. SamSandy 07:53, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
10. Nothing can be more ANNOYING than Vanille, So Rikku it is. User:Ilona eggy 19:17, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
11. Ur, buubea! Fa lyh'd mad Rikku muca mega dryd! FinalAnnihilator 18:46, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
12. Hrm, have to say Rikku, but I rather like them both. This was a tough call. Agent0042 03:18, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
13. I like them both, but Rikku is still my favourite female PC :P MMLN メーマウリアン 10:35, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
14. Rikku is hot, 'nuff said. Gorgeous, cute and spunky. Also, she generally seemed like a more likable person.
15. SandS Hero 15:06, October 24, 2010 (UTC) Both girls are awesome but I prefer an alchemist/thief over a White mage/Black mage/Sabouter anyday
16. (of Biggs&Wedge)
17. Go Riku! W13opa fan 00:40, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
18. Just... not Vanille... ever... Nokareon 07:28, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
19. I love both but I have to go with the one I like just a little bit more. BoAKaN 12:20, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
20. Tonberi
21. She's cute and badass. Bjarnster
22. Rikku mixes things up and makes them explode. Hyacynth 01:56, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
23. Because I can.

15:25, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

1. Rikku, to me, is FAR FAR more useful than Vanille. Dornob25 02:35, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
2. Love Vanille, but Rikku is one of the greatest FF characters of all time! Yrl 05:47, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
3. Final Fantasy XIII sucked, and Final Fantasy X is my favorite game of all time, Rikku being one of my favorite characters. No question. --Skitt.blue 18:34, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
4. Rikku can steal all of anyone's stuff, lunch money and clothes without them noticing. Without haste. Her insane agility lets her easily Double or Triple-turn enemies without Haste, with that's doubled. If you slow the enemies, she'll be taking 12 turns in a row. If you use Delays, you'll be having turns forever! And she can buff! Uppfinnarn 20:39, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
5. Because Rikku is great entertainment in the Thunder Plains.Bond em7 20:48, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
6. Copycatloki 17:49, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
7. Lord Noctis 21:49, October 31, 2010 (UTC)Rikku is alot funnier than Vanille is.[User:Lord Noctis|Lord Noctis]14:45, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
8. I usualy allways vote for the casters, but not today. The characters are similar, but Rikku got a more depth and a good () scrip. Vanille have a very interesting background (wich is allmost not used) but her script is so horrible! All the FF13 characters are shells without souls. Vanille is so much a fan-service character that they had to show of here panties 1/3 of the game. As nice as they were, I feel that they have nothing to do in a FF game and it all are disrespecting the series and the fans. The Rood Inverse 15:43, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
9. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 04:17, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

Peanut Gallery[]

For the record, Vanille's voice actress is an Australian native. Her accent's genuine. Gukkor 05:10, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Issue is, there is more than one accent in Australia, and she is immitating one that is not her own. This is as bad as if I (Southern/Midwestern US) tried to immitate a New Yorker. It sounds like shit. Master Conjurer 05:27, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, good point. Why bother, though? The character's not actually Australian, and it's not as if non-Australians are going to notice if she's using the wrong regional accent. Gukkor 06:17, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... Another "who annoys me least" fight. I think I'll abstain until we get a real battle. Flames of Rebirth 05:16, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Remove their heads and... Well, how different are they, really? Blue Ivory 05:43, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I knew you were a necrophile! Master Conjurer 05:56, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ohh, I didn't want people to find out this way... Anyways, who do you want to win? Blue Ivory 07:19, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Wow what an interesting matchup by two awesome characters /sarcasm off.Zack"Awesome"Fair 14:54, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

They're both just there to look at during the game (They were designed to be eye-candy), but have annoying personalities and little real value. I'll not vote on this one either.Bond em7 15:45, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Still boycotting. At the moment, anyway... might change -- Sorceror Nobody  17:21, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

although i fully agree in the way that TA has horrible maintenance over the DNC i dont think boycotting is going to help.. ill just vote and hope for either a new ruler over DNC or that TA gets his maintenance right Pyarox 21:47, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

As I said... might change. Especially since this fight is decent -- Sorceror Nobody  22:11, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Or he gets fed up with all the complaints and just give up the position.....Just a thought.KayReeed 22:32, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I never thought a boycott would work. The DNC gets like, 100 voters a fight, a dozen or two won't make much difference. Also, gonna whore my arena again - User:Drake Clawfang/The Soul Shrine. Doreiku Kuroofangu 06:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Drake, why don't you add a little image link to your signature, like Kupohunter and I have? It's far more subtle than outright whoring, after all -- Sorceror UNSUBTLE LINK TO FEC Nobody 22:34, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

What does subtle mean? Doreiku Kuroofangu 22:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

*shrugs* :P -- Sorceror Nobody  22:41, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/subtle Hope this helps! =PKayReeed 07:43, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yaaaay, he can use an internet dictionary. While you're there, look up "sarcasm". Doreiku Kuroofangu 20:42, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

LOL! I was bored...KayReeed 03:25, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Now this fight, I LIKE! I might not move if this continues :D NarutoDetective 04:50, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I might stop my boycott if this continues for like a week or two... Kupohunter 13:04, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

I think Rikku should win, just because a large number of Vanille's supporters can't figure out how to vote. Master Conjurer 09:13, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah... they don't seem to be putting things in right... T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 23:34, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Week is over.. next fight pl0x xD! LionLostInTime 20:22, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'm getting bored by this fight. Change it.KayReeed 20:41, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well if you're bored, I've got a Halloween fight up. Come one come all! Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:13, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Where is Bluehighwind when ya need him xD LionLostInTime 17:39, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

As long as Drake keeps whoring, so will I Also, fix your sig pls -- Sorceror Nobody  17:48, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hooray for whoring! Doreiku KuroofanguFile:Ghost PC(FFVI).gif 18:27, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

To Drake:I don't know either of the fighters of your Halloween fight....KayReeed 21:01, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Since Drake and Sn are whoring their arenas, I may as well do mine. Come visit The Dragon's Den  TheBlueDragoon 19:11, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

I vote Vanille due to not playing nearly enough of FFX. Sorry Rikku.... :c

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Votes for Wakka[]

1. Because Blitzballs are far more deadly weapons ya? Pyarox 07:44, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
2. Attack Reels! Flames of Rebirth 09:25, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
3. Boom! Like happy festival fireworks, ya? R8.50Mango 09:54, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
4. Attack Reels was an instant win . Tonberi
5. The best voice actor.  The SirLaguna  14:47, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
6. I didn't mind Wakka all that much. ChiefKakashi 17:48, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
7. Even though Wakka is a jerk to Al Bhed, he was admittedly very useful in battle. I'm replaying this game, at, uhm... that one scene at the capital city and my Wakka has almost as high Strength as Auron, higher magic, over twice as much Agility and about 300 less HP. Yeah, Wakka could kick Raijin's into the next century without junctions. Intercision 19:41, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
8. One character from a terrible game against another character from another horrible game. Way to go! I think Wakka's story of learning the wrong ways of his racism and overall biggotry are what best his game had. Discordius 20:19, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
9. Tis Wakka. And he's not Raiji, ya?  TheBlueDragoon 20:26, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
10. He's up against someone who's under Seifer. If it was Seifer I might vote for him, but today is Wakka's day. MarcusKevaulx 20:50, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
11. Master Conjurer 22:31, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
12. He's got balls, ya. LC 01:39, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
13. Wakka is not annoying at all in anyway NeoExdeath 05:38, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
14. Wakka is friendlier than Raiji ★Crescent moon★ 09:47, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
15. I like Raijin as a character, but in a straight fight, you have to admit that Wakka's balls are deadly, ya? What? Don't look at me like that! Escaflowne X 13:47, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
16. Let's give Rai a kick in the butt and go, eh? --BurstDragon 14:55, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
17. Hands down, Wakka will wrap this dude up. ~/FIN/~PeteyX 12:37, October 13, 2010 (PST)
18. Both of them are very pathetic. Choosing Wakka because he was actually playable and sometimes useful. RazielZero 21:21, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
19. Wakka vaporizes his enemies with A FRIGGIN BALL!!! Toshiro Frog 04:05, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
20. Wakka because of what RazielZero said. CardboardBoxMan 06:51, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
21. Blitzballs rocks poles, ya? Uppfinnarn 08:47, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
22. According to my speculations, there seems to be a parallel spiritual wavelength pattern between two individuals that allows them to both inherit the same subconscious instincts and behaviors in the dimensions. My conclusive results has found that Wakka shares the same subconscious being that has him be passively annoying, with a robot made in the year 29XX that actually wants to be annoying, Bender Bending Rodriguez!!! Mask no Oni 19:52, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
23. I haven't played both games but I know Wakka better... Dodongray23 12:39, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
24. DrakemasterDrake 18:24, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
25. Now this is interesting, two really annoying characters that I'm not sure I can pick, to top it of this they're KH artwork, but anyway, Wakka I guess cause I never have and probably never will play VIII, and on the other hand I'm playing X right now.D.Dark. 22:57, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
26. Rinoa Leonheart 19:19, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
27. Ya. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 23:06, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. 67.234.67.93 21:20, October 13, 2010 (UTC)I'm voting for Wakka, but only because I liked X better than VIII.
2. 119.92.55.72 11:49, October 19, 2010 (UTC) "The teachings! What about the teachings???" Like that line when someone on YouTube created a FFX version of "Gourmet Race."

Votes for Raijin[]

any body can throgh a ball with accury but only Raijin can beat the crap out of every body with a stick

1. (............, ya know.) --Purple gypceros 16:25, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
2. He may be only half a character, but he's still kind of memetic, ya know? --ClixPsi 05:07, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
3. He is too awesome, ya know? Liang 06:10, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
4. The Disciplinary Committee should have had their own game... juz zayin, ya know. NarutoDetective 08:22, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
5. I guess I'll vote for Rai, ya know.--No.i 15:13, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
6. Raijin is way too cool for his pants, ya know? Easier vote, and Wakka stole Raijin's words....ya know? User:XxGuado_SeymourxX 12:29, October 13, 2010 (AEST)
7. Because Baggy-Pants-Jinn is the funniest, pathetic boss battle, ya know? ZaFlareStar 17:26 13th of October, 2010 (UTC)
8. Purple lightning 15:59, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
9. Anyone is better than Wakka. Hyacynth 23:22, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
10. RAGE! Ya know? SquallRocks 21:54, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
11. I like both equally, but Raijin needs the help. To his credit, he's pretty hilarious when he gets verbally abused by Fujin. Why not? --Haveanicedays 05:59, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
12. I'm gonna vote for the underdog y'know? Cause I SUGGESTED IT, YA? The Pain Of Anima 04:55, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
13. I completely agree with Hyacynth...Rafflesia 11:02, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
14. Because it's fun to watch Fujin kicking Raijin. SquallisbetterthanCloud 17:10, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

Peanut Gallery[]

Boo. I would like BlueHighwind's fight back, please. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 04:52, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

[ Insert what BlueH said about TA in the music fight here ] ◄ Θάνατος ► 04:53, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Where did the actually good fight between Esper and Beast go? --^DT_N 04:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yay, TA updates! *looks at fight* Eeeew....it's fights like this that make me want to start my own user arena. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:01, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

@DTN: TA removed it because someone else put it up. Perhaps it's the reason he put up this fight specifically. Jimcloud 05:03, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think if you looked at the list, "Terra v." is a close second to "Zidane v." in the list of weeks we've had. I guess you could say that its either the most logical fight or the most tired one out there. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 05:15, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

He's got us there. Doreiku Kuroofangu 05:17, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Certainly the most unique, ya? ya know? ya? Want to kill me yet, ya know? Eh, I figured it was about its time. Also, Terra and Zidane are awful popular here. Jimcloud 05:18, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Bleh Terra v. Zidane was much better Pyarox 07:44, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more FFaddict234 6:55, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

In one of the colossea on this wiki, the dictatorship is benign. The update schedule is reliable, and the proposals that the visitors support directly impact upon the choice of fights taken to the colosseum proper, rather than being added to an indescriminate list that merely "informs" the choice. Let's also say that the colosseum I'm talking about is not the DNC -- Sorceror Nobody  17:37, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Have you no shame, good sir? Why don't you just make a link to it in your signature or something :P it'd be less of a hassle in the long run. Jimcloud 19:05, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

No shame whatsoever. You are also mistaken in thinking that that I care about being more than very superficially subtle :P Oh, and what exactly do you mean by "hassle"...? -- Sorceror UNSUBTLE LINK TO FEC Nobody, 20:46, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of that, can you add that to my new sig? A link to mah Colosseum, I mean. Which is way epicerer than this. I've decided that we shall have 2 fights a week! 1 for music, and one Normal fight, due to the success of Gilgamesh vs. Asscrack. Kupohunter 20:52, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I can't believe that no one is using the "boom! like happy festival fireworks, ya?" meme here. R8.50Mango 18:49, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

I don't like either of 'em. Wack got character dewelopment and good voiceactor, but lame personality and lame weapon and lame minigame. Rajin weren't a whole character in the first place, low IQ and I didn't like his personality. And just to state it: I allso liked the Terra vs Zidane fight better The Rood Inverse 09:42, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

This is why im not voting because 1. I dont know either of them 2. based on how there being treated it looks like this with be one of those fights that everyone hates FFaddict234 October 13, 2010 06:46 (UTC)

I don't want to see any of the two win.... KujaRhapsodos 16:10, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Although I did support this fight in the nominations, I no longer care about it enough to vote for either side. Furthermore, it is obviously inferior to Esper Terra vs Trance Zidane, which TA jettisoned in favour of this lesser battle. Just like he did with Kain vs Jecht, as it happens. While I have never really disputed TA's authority over the DNC, the tide is turning... In fact, the tide is actually due to turn in a week's time, but who knows how long it'll actually be before it does* All in all, boycotting the DNC isn't an altogether bad idea at the moment... -- Sorceror Nobody  16:31, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'm in. I'll make a list for the boycott. Kupohunter 20:19, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

PS- Done!

While I would normally say that this is a little too drastic, it's got to the point where it's just plain childish. Sorry TA, but this should be a message to you, at the very least. Likeacupcake 00:18, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

For the sake of keeping everyone clearly informed: BlueH has recovered Esper Terra vs Trance Zidane and put it on his userpage, and if anyone wants to boycott the DNC, Kupohunter has created a signup page. Oh, and if TacticAngel should happen to remove this notification, it would serve only to further prove that he is oppressive and dictatorial, ne? -- Sorceror Nobody  22:38, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

By voting for Wakka, you are saying that X was better than VIII, Ya know? SquallRocks 21:54, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Maybe 5% of all FFplayers would say otherwise. ◄ Θάνατος ► 03:01, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

As part of the aforementioned 5%, I never did understand why FF8 gets so much hate. If it were, say, Datto vs. Zell, would you still vote for Datto? Think about it :D --Haveanicedays 17:19, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Next fight please!, and if i may choose a fight i want: Drake vs TA Pyarox 09:16, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think we generally stay with Final Fantasy fights. Do you suppose that would be on the grounds of popularity? I would bet popularity. I am sure there are few people against whom I would not lose. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 03:04, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Not a hint of humility in that one... meh, everyone has their faults. Likeacupcake 03:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah! I'm sure this fight has been going on over a week...or am I wrong?KayReeed 07:44, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

yup you can always look at the first vote's date.. its day 8 today...Pyarox 14:09, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

isn't the results kinda obvious already? and this fight has got enough time...KayReeed 06:33, October 21, 2010 (UTC) TA this is a fight we hate and it lasted longer then a week.. CHANGE IT! 90.145.42.237 08:37, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Even when being scrutinized over his "management" TA is tardy, what a shocker. On a lighter note - my own arena is open for business. This week's fight - two characters worth more individually than both of these characters combined. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:02, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I have been looking at what's happening to the DLC for a week now... LoL... So is there gonna be a new management? cause I don't think TA is addressing the issue at hand properly... I've been to some of the user made arenas, and frankly they have more lenient to no rules and they got more interesting match-ups... and that's just the way I like it. :D NarutoDetective 21:31, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

The DNC under new management? I'll hold my breath. Doreiku Kuroofangu 21:38, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ugh choose between the racist and the moron. Its like being told to choose between Rand Paul and Sarah Palin. Xaphnir 21:57, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Melodies[]

1. By far. MOL of sweet, soft and the sum of all the emotion at the end of the game. EOM is the sum of Squall/Rinoa's emotions, and doesn't take anything else into account. I like both, but MOL trumps EOM by far. Likeacupcake 07:07, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
2. Both are very good songs, but Melodies Of Life is my favourite vocal song of all time and has a lot more of a purpose to the story then Eyes On Me, especially how it has a lot of different versions and the fact that Garnet and Eiko know this song from the History of Madain Sari. This song is also the song used for Zidane and Garnet, just as how Eyes on Me is used for Squall and Rinoa. But Melodies Of Life is more then just a love song, it is also a plot device and an overall better song then Eyes On Me. Also I like FFIX better then FFVIII so really there is no competition from the start. KaiserPaladin 07:35, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
3. This was very difficult for me, I love both songs. But I guess MoL is slightly better.  The SirLaguna  08:03, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
4. On the roof of Lindblum Grand Castle... KujaRhapsodos 11:04, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
5. I can't really decide, but... This is from IX... So... Yeah... Kupohunter 11:07, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
6. This is the first time I had a hard time voting. Kudos to the ones that arranged this battle. I like both songs but my vote goes to "Melodies of Life". I like this version but I liked it more when Garnet was singing it [Lindblum Grand Castle Rooftop]. Don't get me wrong Eyes on me was just as great... Whew that was a toughy NarutoDetective 11:32, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
7. This was my favorite song for a while. LC 12:19, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
8. Without Question. Had never heard the other one before. Tonberi
9. I don't care one bit how the song was related to the game or its characters/story/blabla. I only care about what does the song sound like, and Melodies of Life had a better melody, which was also easier to remember. I like the lyrics more too. ZaFlareStar 16:46, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
10. That soft and smooth music, combined with the magnificent lyrics and beautiful pieces from the voice of Emiko, and remembering "Crossing those hills" was a masterpiece, and the name is even great. Without thinking I'll vote. A.X.A 13:54, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
11. It's a tough choice, but I prefer the melody to Melodies of Life. Hyacynth 13:59, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
12. I don't have a particular preference between the tracks themselves, so I'll go by characters. Garnet > Rinoa -- Sorceror Nobody  14:53, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
13. Much better than that certain Squall/Rinoa icky romance. this is lovely no? Mog&Boko 15:41, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
14. Awesometastic! RazielZero 17:46, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
15. Both songs are absolutely beautiful and emotional, but also suffer from bad English pronounciation. Tough choice, but Melodies of Life speaks to me more. SamSandy 19:55, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
16. God this was the toughest DNC I have ever had to do... Both songs I knew off by heart as a young impressionable preteen playing both games but this one is definitely more catchy. Plus... FFIX was perfect :) Hamfruitcake 09 20:08, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
17. I can actually more or less sing this one, both in English and Japanese, so much I love it. How could I go and not vote for it? MirrorshardSceada 20:19, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
18. This is win. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 22:01, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
19. CardboardBoxMan 00:55, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
20. Jimcloud 04:56, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
21. Piano collections arrangement. Enough said. Nokareon 06:46, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
22. Well aside from being a much better song, from a MUCH better game, the characters and romance it symbolizes are a lot more interesting, funny and clever. Melodies of Life I could listen to anytime but there is only so much of Eyes on Me that I can take at a time.--StragusLore 14:59, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
23. A good song versus a bad one, therefore no hesitations. Badag 18:07, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
24. MMLN メーマウリアン 22:17, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
25. This is the best fight ever!! this wins but only just.....I LOVE BOTH!! NeoExdeath 22:31, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
26. NeoZEROX 23:33, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
27. 9>8 because of vivi although 8 has gunblades :D but vivi has so many kids and hes so young Aznkingdom 23:26, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
28. This is the second song that i can think of that is a ballad with electric guitar in it. The first is a little song called Sanctuary by Utada Hikaru. And IX is better than VIII, though i do love Rinoa... Irish Reaper 00:30, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
29. I like this the moste, but I like both songs. I like Suteki Da Ne better tho. The Rood Inverse 14:29, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
30. I agree with The Rood Inverse! I like this song but Suteki da Ne from Final Fantasy X gives me a more romantic, sad and touching feeling altogether!--TerraBranford145322 11:01, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
31. I really, really enjoy both, but it's "Melodies" for me. More beautiful, more enjoyable. And I don't see how people can say how this isn't plot-related, because it is. Agent0042 03:25, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
32. T_T Regoli 13:49, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
33. -Moomba- 13:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
34. Listening to the instrmental version of this song while passing through the cloudy skies of the Mist Continent was a beautiful introduction to Final Fantasy IX, and the vocal performance was a beautiful ending. 8bit 20:14, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
35. The song that made the one of the best final fantasy endings even better gets my vote here.Zack"Awesome"Fair 21:17, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
36. DrakemasterDrake 20:31, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
37. In my opinion, this is the most beautiful song from any game. Kuja FFIX 02:33, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
38. One of my favorites. SifoneDiAnima 02:16, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
39. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 04:06, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. I for one could listen to this again and again. I care less for Final fantasy viii music. meh.69.172.28.98 14:04, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
2. melodies without question193.137.232.178 15:02, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
3. Melodies of Life has better lyrics, really. Eyes on Me is a little more atmospheric...but MoL integrates both. MoL for me.#68.9.137.118 15:04, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
4. This was a difficult choice for me, as both songs are great. They both have beautiful music and the lyrics to accompany them. In the end though, I decided on Melodies of Life for two reasons. First, and although I can relate to both songs, Melodies of Life's lyrics I can just relate to more and seem to fit me better, and secondly, and most importantly, after listening to both songs several times each to decide which one to choose, it was Melodies of Life that I ended up finding myself humming randomly a day later. 96.234.74.96 16:48, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
5. Hard choice, love them both, but I'm gonna have to go with Melodies of Life, I just think it's better in both lyrics and melody.84.90.241.103 14:48, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Eyes[]

1. ChiefKakashi 05:32, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
2. really hard choice Pyarox 08:23, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
3. I love this song, mostly due to the Angela Aki version. --ClixPsi 10:09, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
4. I like "Julia's Piano Solo" version of eyes on me. I always remember Laguna having his cramps when with Julia haha.--Reply001 12:17, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
5. Not really a fan of either, so I'm voting for the currently losing side... --Strife95 14:12, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
6. This one. Why? Cuz I like this game, of course! --Xcanox 14:48, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
7. Biggs and Wedge 14:48, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
8. This has always been one of my favorite Final Fantasy songs. I thought it was awesome how they had it written IN the game and explained it's signifigance and everything.Bond em7 15:09, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
9. Eyes on ME was my favorite song of the PS1 era's Final Fantasy games. That moment with Squall and Rinoa on the Ragnarok's bridge will forever be a great memory in gaming.  TheBlueDragoon 15:34, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
10. If I imagine it as Laguna and Julia it makes it better :) FinalFantasyAerith 21:13, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
11. I think Eyes on me is a better song, and I love Squall and Rinoa! Rach981 15:26, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
12. I would vote for MoL if it were for alternate versions, but alas, it is not. Sol Vent 23:15, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
13. One of the most prettiest songs ever written to date. How else was it the highest selling video game song?SquallRocks 18:27, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
14. --Haveanicedays 04:03, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
15. Dodongray23Well, basically, I love this game and every bits of it... 08:35, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
16. This one was in Final Fantasy VIII, that's eniugh reason for me. SquallisbetterthanCloud 12:20, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
17. I honestly love both songs, but I'm going to have to go with EOM. Hytey 18:50, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
18. Like bothsongs, but I prefer Eyes On Me (prefer the off shoot songs too). TomServo101 (Talk) 23:21, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
19. I agree with the comment above me.--No.i 00:34, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
20. EOM is more enjoyable, MOL bored me. Balthierfan 10:56, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
21. Haven't played IX, and the school computers have no sound. Escaflowne X 15:11, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
22. Whenever sang my song, etc. etc. etc. Bjarnster 23:42, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
23. Melodies of life was alright, but this piece is amazing. Blaze1190 06:52, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
24. One of my favorite songs on my favorite soundtrack in the series Lycropath 10:29, September 26, 2010 (UCT)
25. Laguna just beats anyone from IX. Blue Ivory 19:13, Septemer 26th, 2010 (UTC)
26. I just don't see Melodies of Life as being anywhere near as Deep, or plot-relevant as Eyes on me. Especially because this song has so many remixes within the game itself. Darkeclipse21 23:16, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
27. Insanly good only because there are lyrics FFaddict234 21:57 September 26, 2010 (UTC)
28. Mr. Rojo: Eyes on me it's an awesome song. 18:57 September 30, 2010 (UTC)
29. SacredMist: Definitely Eyes on Me. That song is still one of my favorites even to this day.
30. I infinitely prefer IX to VIII, but I've got to go with Eyes on Me here. Oh, Final Fantasy IX, how can I let you know I'm more than the dress and the voice? Apathetic Piggy 20:12, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
31. Copycatloki 16:16, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
32. Otis Adelbert Kliner 03:38, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. 137.143.170.79 12:30, September 24, 2010 (UTC) FF8 was that good, and the music is awesome!
2. 71.245.105.38 21:21, September 26, 2010 (UTC) Some FFVIII love, finally! The song was absolutely beautiful. Faye Wong wasn't especially great, but the song itself, plus Julia, Waltz for the Moon, and all the other reduxes put it over the top.
3. 24.2.22.202 23:26, September 26, 2010 (UTC) I love both songs, but ultimately, Eyes on Me wins for myself.. it had a much stronger impact on me. (Though I will say Melodies of Life is much superior in piano form.)
4. 90.231.234.71 19:13, October 1, 2010 (UTC) For some reason I just like Eyes On Me more. May be because I havn't played FFIX yet. Both songs are amazing though.
5. 201.66.56.57 19:48, October 1, 2010 (UTC) Final Fantasy VIII RULES! :D
6. Since i like both songs, i'll vote here to even out the votes a bit more. 206.248.99.28 23:32, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

well Kain vs Jecht didnt last long xD atleast we have something better now :D Pyarox 08:23, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

"Vea Victus!"... Oh; you mean Kain Highwind... Sorry. Ya, well, err, it happens =P Likeacupcake 11:28, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

So... what exactly happened to Jecht vs Kain anyway? -- Sorceror Nobody  14:54, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Guess. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:33, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, the awesomeness of Jecht fighting Kain reached critical mass and TA shut down the fight before it damaged the minds of those voting due to an overload of epic. It was for our own good really, he's a hero. Doreiku Kuroofangu 00:00, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Jecht vs Kain is gone completely...?--Purple lightning 17:22, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

I guess the chuck norris references was too much lol. Anyway, that was fun while it lasted. NarutoDetective 22:32, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Its a lot closer than what I thought it would be when I suggested this battle...  TheBlueDragoon 00:06, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

I personally challenge anyone with a looooooot of time on their hands to find out how many other FF songs have talky parts in them. Let the games commence! (Well, I for one aren't doing it. I got a headache :( ) Jimcloud 04:58, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

aria di mezzo carattere(VI), not realy talking: Dancing mad(VI), One Winged Angel(VII), Otherworld(X), and born anew(XIII), was all i could think of out of the top of my head Pyarox 07:08, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Sunleth Waterscape (XIII), Suteki da Ne (X), Liberi Fatali (VIII), Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec (VIII), Song of Memories (well its just la la la la, IX), My Hands (XIII), Distant Worlds (XI), Kiss me goodbye (XII), Why (Crisis Core), Kimi ga Iru Kara (XIII), The Main theme of FFXIV (XIV), Hymn of the Fayth (X)... Nope I'm stumped.  The SirLaguna  10:51, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

2 more from X-2: Real emotion, and 1000 words Pyarox 11:07, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

From FFU: Over the Fantasy, Romancing Train, Vivid. And sort off; One Sword Animal. That last one really depends on your definition. Likeacupcake 00:46, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and The Promised Land from Advent Children, (Man how could I forget about Vivid, thats about my favorite song... ever)  The SirLaguna  00:50, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

A craptacular contest between two shitty songs. Beautiful. Exodite-Dragon 18:56, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

A wonderful contest between two beautiful songs. Awesome. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:29, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

That makes me glad to hear DSS. I never actually imagined this nomination making it into the DNC though. Have we ever had a song battle before? TheBlueDragoon 03:54, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well put! Likeacupcake 00:34, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

I did suggest Eyes on Me VS Theme of Love over a year ago, but it never was picked. I feel like it would have made more sense than the current fight, though. - 199.29.6.2 15:31, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

There has been once, Dancing Mad vs. One Winged Angel.  The SirLaguna  07:50, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

I really hope this'll be a draw, I love both songs, and the one I voted against was composed about me so ;)  The SirLaguna  23:30, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok; a lot of people are saying that MOL has little relevance to the plot, but you'll find it has just as much as EOM. To put it very simply; it's a song Garnet remembers from the Summoner Tribe, thus solidifying her connection to them. She sings it all the time to reflect her loneliness, so it is a song of solitude through the game. That's why it is sung over the ending before Zidane appears and explains that he had to come back, so he sung the song, transforming it from a song of solitude to a song to companionship. EOM comes from Laguna's and Julia failed love, and is a song of desire, specifically the desire to reunite with their loved ones, ah la the ending. It also is there to tie the two generations together. See? Neither has more plot relevance then the other. And why am I saying this? Because it seems that everyone that is voting EOM is voting because of that. I'm not saying that you should all change your vote, but I just wanted to show you that MOL has as much depth as EOM. Likeacupcake 00:34, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't this a song fight, not IX vs VIII (EoM gets my vote, but still)? Stefan-sama 00:50, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

next fight pl0x xD Pyarox 22:39, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Balthier[]

1. Ghost of Christmas Past: SQUEE!!!
2. Master Conjurer: Only because he lacks a Kindom Hearts photo.
3. I love Balthier. Setzer gives a bit of a rapist vibe. (I mean he tries to FORCE someone to marry him. Dude not cool.)Keltainentoukokuu 03:39, August 20, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
4. The man owns the Strahl, by far the coolest piece of flying machinery this side of Ivalice. And he does have the really cool vibe to him as well. Plus he uses guns. Guns are cool. King of Noobs 03:51, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
5. More personality, I guess. Too goddamn strong in Tactics. Saves the day in XII. He *is* the leading man :P KujaRhapsodos 04:06, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
6. Balthier gets Fran. And Setzer gets passed up for a lovesick, insecure thief. Thing it's pretty clear who's happier at the end of the day if you know what I mean. Nokareon 17:10, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
7. He's the leading man... we all know what they say about the leading man, don't we?--Strife95 10:00, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
8. Despite some really wierd footwear, Balthier is the one character that kept my faith in FF XII. Mog&Boko 10:09, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
9. I havn't played the game Setzer is in and Setzer annoyed me in KH in the tournament with Roxas. Baltheir is cool in FF XII and he has more character development than Vaan and Penelo.Purple lightning 11:10, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
10. My name says all...Balthierfan 11:15, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
11. I used Balthier a lot in FFXII and never had Setzer in my party in FFVI, so Balthier is clearly the winner for me today! MMLN メーマウリアン 11:17, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
12. More of a leading man... Kevio 11:17, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
13. Stand by your man. Balthier is the man Hamfruitcake 09 11:27, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
14. Balthier kept a hole game afloat. I will always salute him for that. ClixPsi 12:05, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
15. The leading man who saved FFXII single-handedly. --YamiMysteriaG 12:38, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
16. My vote goes for the leading man. Balthier and Fran were a must for my team and had the best dialogue, etc. Setzer has a great character history, but a touching story and Epitaph playing on the background isn't enough in this figth. PS: Sorry, Tifa; I'll time stamp nex time... Vohaul86 13:08, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
17. i like to have lots and lots of sex. porn porn porn. sex sex sex. yay. SamSandy 16:55, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
18. At least Disney didn't ruin his characteristics in Kingdom Hearts hes supposed to have scars all over his face from gambling, but they removed it. also balthier can summons meteors, large waves, and he also "kidnapped" Ashe a princess where Setzer kidnapped Celes who's with Locke Aznkingdom 18:03, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
19. He will always be the ultimate leading man. "Seems as if I soiled my cuffs!" User:MystRay 15:40, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
20. FFXII is Godly, FFVI sucks. Balthier is cool, Setzer is a loser. Balthier is useful in battle, Never used Setzer. Balthier has a voice, Setzer doesn't. Balthier wields many different types of weapons professionally, Setzer wields cards? LOL. Need to say more? Balthier >>>>>>>> Setzer. KaiserPaladin 23:49, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
21. A LOT BETTER BALTHIER,never found setzer useful cause sabin, terra and many more were simply better.User:Moiso09 21:32 PM, august 20, 2010 (UTC)
22. "I'm the leading man" Uppfinnarn 17:41, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
23. Judge Balthier :3 19:51, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
24. Took me a long time to make up my mind, but Balthier seems better to me. While I do like Setzer, I found his Slot-Ability annoying (I do not like relying on luck when I have other options), and his impact on the story might have been there, yes, but in my eyes, it wasn't that big. He's basically just the guy, that gives you an airship when you need one. Balthier is, on the other hand, quite a likeable character, I like his voice acting, and he seems pretty usable in battle to me, though I haven't gotten that far yet in XII. Perhaps, if I were, my vote would be different, but alas, it is as it is, and so my vote goes to the Leading Man. MirrorshardSceada 20:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
25. Even though FFVI is my second-favorite game, I just can't vote against Balthier. Someone needed to put Vaan in his place during Revenant Wings. And although Setzer is one of the better characters of FFVI, Balthier just owns everything. 8bit BlackMage 15:15, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
26. On the one hand, I haven't played VI, so maybe I'm not entirely qualified to vote, but on the other, I already know that Balthier beats everything. So there. The Man In The Black Cape 16:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
27. A tough choice made easier by using Setzer's abominable Kingdom Hearts render. Hyacynth 17:28, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
28. Balthier has amazing lines. besides, setzer is completely different from his original design which was probably better. genesisrocks
29. He's the leading man! The leading man always wins! --Seervanne 21:07, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
30. While I like VI better than XII, definitely Balthier. Balthier is actually charismatic, while Setzer is just a gambler who needs to kidnap his women since the death of his "true love". Balthier uses guns (which are admittedly by FF standards a bit weak; badasses use spears or swords), but Setzer uses cards, dice, and slots. Everyone hates on Cait Sith and his slots. While granted there were more options in VI, Setzer was rarely ever in my party. He wasn't useful, and he couldn't learn blue magic, like Strago or Gau, so you didn't have to use him. Pummeling Setzer with that wiffle bat in Kingdom Hearts was fun though. Yrl 14:52, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
31. Balthier is a boss, and is lines make him such a boss. He get's my vote because he has the best personality out of just about every final fantasy character. Rykuzeath 20:11, August 24,2010 (UTC)
32. CardboardBoxMan 02:21, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
33. Balthier is awesome in Final Fantasy 12.FFaddict234 7:56 August 25, 2010 (UTC)
34. FFXII was the most awesome game I've ever played. Balthier is also the best leading man I've ever had the good fortune of playing. Go Balthier!--Mjka 17:21, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
35. I liked Balthier. I haven't played VI (working on it). So, while it's not a fair vote, I'll go with Balthier, the leading man.Kimahri51992 04:49, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
36. There's only one thing i need to say, "you know what they say about the leading man?" if you know the answer,then you know why i vote for balthier :3--Railly 15:04, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
37. Balthier made FFXII along with Basch. He delivered the best lines in the game. This vote is going to him hands down cuz he's a pirate and pirates win no matter what.^^ He's deserves it^^--KiraArik 20:52, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
38. Because I don't even know who the hell Setzer is... Acrum92 00:56, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
39. Balthier, because he is THE leading man.User:Xion Valentine 02:54, September 9,2010 (UTC)
40. My shot is faster, or my name is not Balthier. --Reply001 03:37, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
41. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 02:42, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. Balthier is like Han Solo. That's reason enough to have my vote.174.49.252.156 11:40, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
2. 201.41.178.249 18:49, August 20, 2010 (UTC)Because he's cool
3. You know what they say about the leading man....he's never the main character. Lol he's too awesome!--98.74.5.86 17:09, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
4. Becaus Setzer had one uncalled for appearence in kingdom hearts II that scared the crap outta me. He just SHOWS UP standing the croud of normal poeple dressed like a freak show..i just chose Balthier because he has a simpler design that does not scare me.#74.244.14.135 04:16, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
5. Balthier's just way better than Setzer could ever hope to be#24.141.158.23
6. 173.72.140.77 21:51, August 29, 2010 (UTC) I like them both but Balthier had such a great personality, one of the only good characters in FFXII
7. Because I'll aways vote for Balthier. 71.235.164.33 21:08, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
8. Balthier wins man. Balthier#69.172.28.98 21:02, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
9. Because Balthier just oozes "smooth". I'd probably go gay for him.#71.245.105.38 23:59, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Setzer[]

1. He doesn't suck.  The SirLaguna  03:03, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
2. My votes a chip in this pile, ante up! 03:08, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
3. Setzer was slightly more useful. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:11, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
4. Better ladies man and has a better airship, two airships. NeoZEROX 03:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
5. A character from my favorite game. 'Nuff said. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 03:29, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
6. Setzer's airship has a casino! CloudyWolf06 03:41, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
7. Never played or seen anything from FFXII, I liked Setzer in KHII so I guess I'll vote for him. YKProductions 03:50, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
8. Love them both but the Balthier votes will pile up fast, so Setzer will likely need the support more. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:57, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
9. ... This is hard. Really hard. ... they are both very good characters in excellent games. ... but i love gambling more than i love flirting, so Setzer gets it. Irish Reaper 04:10, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
10. Pure awesomeNeoExdeath 06:41, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
11. Setzer was awesome in VI, Life is one big gamble Pyarox 10:16, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
12. I voted for the one with a cooler shirt. LC 10:24, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
13. He's cool in Kingdom Hearts. FFVIIACCXD 10:27, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
14. Setzer's Airship was way better. SquallisbetterthanCloud 10:31, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
15. VI. Need I say more? Kupohunter 11:08, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
16. Just can't say no to this guy!! AtmaCrisis 12:09, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
17. When you can fight with cards and dice, and your NOT a huge stuffed toy, it means you know how to mix your fighting with style. I like the other choice as well, but just because he's the best choice in a game of bad choices doesn't make him better than a good choice in a game of great characters.Bond em7 13:21, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
18. Because reading the votes for Balthier made me cry blood. Masamune
19. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSQ4hcevUxI Bjarnster 14:38, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
20. Sorry Balthier, but Setzer can ante up higher than you -- Sorceror Nobody  15:26, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
21. Voting for him, mainly because I never liked any of the characters in FFXII apart from Fran and Ashe. RazielZero 17:03, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
22. Balt's okay...he's a more embarrassing, less cool Zidane. Of course his partner being the most boring FFXII character(even by XII standards) losses points. Setzer exudes awesome. He doesn't just own another airship he owns the ONLY airship(both even). Gambling streak is a nice touch of character as is his fighting style. And you don't have to put up with a log in black underwear when he's around.AnonyMan 17:06, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
23. Ok, let's see. Had a casino for an airship, fights with cards, dice and darts (beat that Balthier!) has some great lines (My life is a chip in your pile. Ante up!) And his overall design is cooler than Balthier's. Did I mention Balthier was my least favorite character from FFXII? Yeah, I think I've said enough.  TheBlueDragoon 17:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
24. It's the hair. SquallRocks 13:15, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
25. I flipped a coin OwlEye 19:29, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
26. Munk451 How can you not go wrong with Setzer, and also for the fact that FF12 Sucks.
27. Fëasindë ^{te audio} : Balthier's cool. But this is the man that rides the Falcon on one of the game's most beautiful scenes.\
28. Lark7Zero 05:00, August 21, 2010 (UTC) Setzer, the gambling vagabond who finds freedom from society's narrow views of morality aboard his airship, the Blackjack... Possibly my favourite Final Fantasy character overall. That, and airship casinos rule.
29. Voting. Zey^pher 17:58, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
30. Not Balthier fan, Setzer is alright. Johuotar 20:41, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
31. Slots wasn't exactly the most useful ability in the world, but using a pack of cards as darts and fighting with dice defines awesome. Diamond Dragoon 22:26, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
32. Balthier is soooooo overrated. Setzer, on the other hand, is pure win. --Moocowisi 03:04, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
33. This is such a hard choice for me, but I guess I'll go with Setzer seeing as a) I much prefer FFVI to XII, and b) he has his own special abilities and fights with playing cards. Jamiemitsu FTW 11:16, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
34. I like Setzer more. He is actually interesting.--Otherarrow 15:57, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
35. It has to be Setzer for me-- I found him much more interesting than Balthier. Agent0042 19:54, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
36. For my favorite heroic albino. 尾藤 来夢 20:17, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
37. This is a tough one, but I'll put my chips in with Setzer. After all, he did help beat Kefka. Psduckie 00:52, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
38. Setzer all the way, Balthier is boring compared to Setzer! Plus FF6 is better than FF12 :P Sportoracle 14:52, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
39. Setzer is the man. Such a huge fan of FFVI. PlasticUfo 11:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
40. Because the picture of Setzer doesn't make him look like he was rendered in 27 seconds. And because Balthier, while one of the better characters in it, still comes from FFXII. --Bluesilver 19:50, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
41. Setzer deserves everyone's vote simply because he's cool. Legend of Fantasy 22:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
42. I'll say Setzer, for 3 main reasons: 1) He uses Cards and Dice to fight! Seriously, he can do that and still do massive damage!(Unlike Luxord) 2) The Blackjack (and eventually, the Falcon) 3) That hair Zodiarkmaster 08:42, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
43. Balthier is just A leading man, not the. Setzer is THE man, not the leading one, but the man nontheless.User:Eanus 16:38, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
44. Judge Gokashi 21:13, August 26, 2010 (UTC)Setzer because FF6 Gil Toss beats FF12 Gil Toss
45. Myotis 01:20, August 27, 2010 (UTC) What can I say, he's one of my favorites.
46. Balthier's an FFXII character, and Setzer's a FFVI character. Nuff said. --Haveanicedays 01:53, August 27, 2010 (UTC)
47. They are both awesome. I prefer VI over XII so that's what I'm going to base my vote on. --StragusLore 00:59, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
48. Although I enjoyed playing XII better than VI, VI has the better story AND Setzer is slightly cooler. Dachimotsu7734 05:06, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
49. Because. Dragoon667 01:21, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
50. Setzer's moves were a lot more useful. Even if they were luck-based.Mynameissora 13:18, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
51. Setzer is one of my favorite characters in the series. And i loved vi and hated xii... kefka_palazzo 17:24, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
52. Don't get me wrong, I find that they both suck, it's just that Setzer sucks less. At least he has some exclusive skills, where pretty much every character in XII can become carbon-copies of each other (even though Ashe, Basch, and Penelo is always my team of choice). King Nothing _{Where's your crown?} 13:16, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
53. I will admit I liked Balthier but I never used the guy! Blackheart1991 23:59, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
54. Setzer uses cards as a means of smoking someone. End of story :) NarutoDetective 02:32, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
55. Most awesome combo ever created. Genji Glove + Master's Scroll+ Fixed Dice+ Dice+A sprinkle of Falcon Punchyness=PWNBooshes#Booshes
56. Balthier's a frickin' flithy man-whore. Go Setzer! Escaflowne X 18:00, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
57. Balthier's alright, but I like Setzer better. Plus he appeared in my favourite FF game. Metus 14:22, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. It's been years since I last played FFVI and Setzer is the one character who I remember clearly from that game. Plus, he's got a casino in his airship! Sorry Balthier, get a casino in the Strahl and then we'll talk. 206.248.81.109 13:26, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
2. Setzer is way better then Balthier, plus he's hotter :3 79.138.131.128 15:21, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
3. Setzer dates young and beautiful opera singers. Balthier goes for cougars. And besides, Setzer can throw cards and make enemy airships explode WHILE DRIVING--112.204.169.37 16:58, September 1, 2010 (UTC).
4. Because most other FF heroes are too goody two-shoed to gamble or drink (I think Setzer drank...). -71.98.40.126 00:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

Someone was gonna make that pun, I chose to be the one. 死の騎士 03:11, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Balthier's awesome. He's one of the few successful "cool" characters. Usually when they try to make someone cool they just...end up with something embarrassing. He's effeminate but still manages to not come off as gay. And the dude's got the craziest sideburns! Keltainentoukokuu 03:44, August 20, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

I beg to differ with you, my fellow Finn. Balthier is obviously the gayest FF-character with his British accent, dandy clothes, rainbow jewelry and flirtatious finger movements. Looking gay is not the same thing as looking like a girl. It's all about the style and swagger. ;) SamSandy 16:59, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Balthier's one of those rare characters. He doesn't mess about moping over Rasler, Dalmasca etc. He perfectly understands that he needs to stand against his father, no hesitation like many other characters in past series and best of all he's a protagonist with a British accent. (Although the villains are all Archadian too but even so.) Mog&Boko 10:15, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

@SamSandy: What the hell does a British accent have to do with being gay?

@Mog&Boko: *applauds* I second your remarks!

The thing is, both Balthier and Setzer have awesome outfits. Balthier has obviously put effort into his being very stylish, and kudos for that, but Setzer is just as stylish and awesome with a distinct couldn't care less kinda vibe. His outfit looks a little thrown together, yet is at least as great as Balthier's. Therefore Setzer must be intrinsically more stylish and awesome, evin if only by a small margin. It's an odd fight, because I didn't have to deliberate for ages over who to vote for, even though it's very close. I think it's the first fight to be like that for me :P

Also, did Setzer build the Blackjack himself? He certainly must have designed it, at the very least, seeing as it has a casino on board! Anyway, Balthier merely nicked the Strahl, so it's hardly fair to give him very much credit for the awesomeness of his airship, 'cause it's not his own. Ergo, Setzer wins on the airship point, too -- Sorceror Nobody  01:47, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hey hey, the Strahl article says that Balthier has modified the ship so much it hardly resembles the original design. ;) Though, Nono might've had a hand in that. Keltainentoukokuu 01:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

Fair point, but Nono probably did do a load of it. By contrast, we know from a scene with VICid that Setzer does all work on the Blackjack himself; in fact, he's very insistent that nobody else mess with it! -- Sorceror Nobody  02:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

So let's see, Balthier's lost to Zidane and now he may lose to Setzer. I daresay Balthier's really isn't as popular as we thought. Didn't he also lose to Edgar during one of the bad fight weeks?  TheBlueDragoon 00:48, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Nostalgia is hard to beat. SamSandy 08:55, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Still, I wouldn't count Balthier out just yet. We've had enough fights that seemed to be clear early on, but drew close near the end, so... We'll see. MirrorshardSceada 20:03, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

For those of you who like the DNC - click this link. Doreiku Kuroofangu 18:01, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so Setzer wins on the airship point. But Balthier CLEARLY wins on the woman point. I mean, come on, what does Setzer have? Someone who passed him over for a lovesick, insecure thief? At least Balthier's is still alive, and as MAJOR bonus points, is Fran. Nokareon 03:32, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Gotta disagree with you there. I think Fran was one of the most boring, unimaginative characters I've seen in any RPG, and I've been playing RPGs since I was three, way back in 1990. She has very little story value (compared to Ashe or Basch), her stats are extremely low all around, and she was there for sex appeal. She didn't really do much except play Balthier's wingman (or wingbunny, whatever.) Honestly, Vaan had more development than her, and that's saying something.  TheBlueDragoon 04:14, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

She WAS there for sex appeal. That's pretty much the point. Heck, that's pretty much the point of Viera as a whole. Heck, that's pretty much the point of wom- err... but yeah, nobody complains about a hot actress in a movie just 'cause she didn't have "character development". Nokareon 04:21, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Touche. You just royally faced me. I submit. XD  TheBlueDragoon 05:42, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I always kinda thought of her as Chewbacca and Balthier as Han Solo. If you really wanna go there, she could be Barf the mog and Balthier can be Lone Star from Spaceballs. Modedan 03:00, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Vaan = Luke, Balthier = Han Solo, Fran = Chewbacca, Strahl = Millennium Falcon, Archadia = Empire, Dalmasca = Rebellion, Bahamut = Death Star, Ashe = Leia, Vayne = Emperor Sidious, and Gabranth of course = Darth Vader. All the more fitting because Ashe/Leia gets with Balthier/Han Solo in the end. Nokareon 03:18, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Is it Star Wars redone? And does that make Montblanc an Ewok? Modedan 03:27, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Moogles definitely = Ewoks. And it's definitely a Star Wars clone. There's even a video out there of the final air battle over Dalmasca dubbed with the space fight from Return of the Jedi, complete with Ondore yelling "It's a trap!" Go look up Final Fantasy 12 vs Star Wars. Of course even then it's not as much a Star Wars clone as Final Fantasy II. Nokareon 03:33, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Lol that vid was funny. Was even better than that one where that one guy was acting like Vaan and went around his city screaming "I'm Captain Basch fon Ronsenburg!" I don't remember the name of that video but it is a bunch of guys who dress up as game icons and act out game events in real life. The "paperboy" one is my particular favorite Modedan 03:41, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

there is also a Pirates of the Caribbean parody as well. Type in "Final fantasy XII vs PotC", starring Balthier as Captain Jack Sparrow!

Are you thinking of Mega64? I think that's the Youtube user's name. XD I have it favorited. Its like like he's dressed up like Vaan and he's irritating people with the "I'm Captain Basch!" thing.  TheBlueDragoon 16:59, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

The Star Wars one is epic win, and the PotC one is just hilarious... especially Larsa! XD Thank you for telling us about these videos! -- Sorceror Nobody  17:23, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah it was Mega 64. I just looked it up to be sure. I like the video for Metal Gear Solid too. It even has Hideo Kojima lol Modedan 01:59, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Good luck to both of the combatants! I'm not voting this week, seeing as I haven't played VI, so if I did vote it'd probably be a hate vote on XII, and that's not really fair to Balthier. I mean, he's not a terrible character. He was one of my favorites, for XII.(which puts him at about average with everyone else.) I didn't really like XII(I. Despise. Gambits.), but as I said, never played VI, so I shall remain neutral. Jimcloud 04:45, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

If you've played Kingdom Hearts then choose Setzer. Just do it, Balthier isn't worth mentioning once you've seen Setzer. 70.49.223.137 00:06, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Setzer is from VI, TA just used his KH image. Likeacupcake 00:19, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Irrelevant, even with only playing KH and not VI Setzer is a better character then Balthier. Besides, XII is one number away from XIII, and is technically the same number as X-2. Clearly it must be bad, so therefore Balthier is bad. YKProductions 04:23, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really get your logic, but then again I haven't play a lot of VI and i haven't even seen the disc of XII. Likeacupcake 07:15, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, VIII is the same number as X-2, X+2 is XII. In KH2, Setzer's part makes him into a big joke since you easily beat him up with a toy at the very beginning of the game. The rest of your reasoning is also highly flawed since XII and XIII were both amazing although I will admit to liking VI more than either of them. X-2 and VIII are also both really good. As for your one number away from argument, you do realize VI is one away from V, right? Yrl 15:26, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

you should play it :P its my first FF game and one of my favourite, awesome story, awesome characters, awesome music, and best of all: awesome villains: Ultros and kefka xD Pyarox 09:36, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ya, ya; I'll get to it eventually (Currently playing Crisis Core, trying to get Minevera (or what ever her name is) when I have spare time, not to mention my interest in Morrowind has resparked, so that gets a bit of attention). Likeacupcake 12:05, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

LMAO, of course my reasoning made no sense, I was joking around. I have never played XII so I just chose Setzer. YKProductions 22:28, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

This reminds me of the very first time I ever heard of X-2. My initial thought was that it meant XII, for whatever reason, and thus prompted me to wonder what had happened to XI, as I'd heard nothing about it and it seemed to therefore have been skipped. Of course, now I'm older, wiser, and better informed... and yet the question of "what the hell happened to XI?" remains valid! XD -- Sorceror Nobody  22:55, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Haha, so true, to this day I don't like how they just turned FFXI into a marketing tool instead of a game they pored their hearts in. Did Hironobu Sakaguchi have anything to do with XI? YKProductions 04:00, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sakaguchi was the one that launched the project. After seeing Everquest back around 1999, Sakaguchi decided Final Fantasy needed to jump online. The core of the Chrono Cross team was assigned to make a Final Fantasy MMO. Did he want it to be a numbered Final Fantasy? *shrug* No clue there, but he definitely green-lighted the project wholeheartedly.ClixPsi 16:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I actually have no problem with XI in itself... I'm sure it's probably a great game. I merely object to it being in the main series. Obviously, XIV will also suffer this particular brand of disapproval from me. Anyway, my OCD in particular hates the gap on my shelf – not that all my game cases are on one shelf, I just mean that metaphorically -- Sorceror Nobody  18:09, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, gotta agree with you on that, SN. Including the online games into the numbered, the main series... - That was not the best idea they ever had. But well, it's not like we can change it, so dispite not liking it, I have come to terms with it... MirrorshardSceada 18:26, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

But, imagine if instead of making it online they had used all that time to make a normal XI. With all the time they spent it could have been more amazing :P YKProductions 21:09, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, this ended up in a game war between VI and XII xD Pyarox 07:23, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Is this the longest peanut gallery to date. It's at least one of them. This is a great fight anyway.Purple lightning 12:51, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I believe the longest was one of the Magicite Madness I finals. Kupohunter 16:39, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if anyone knows but Magicite Madness II actually started a week ago or so. It's being maintained by Blue Highwind and DrakeClawfang. If you want to find it go on Blue Highwind's user page, the whole thing is one big link to it.YKProductions 03:47, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

i don't want to look impatient or anything, but this fight lasted for almost 3 weeks, can we move on? Pyarox 09:53, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's only because of magicite madenessPurple lightning 16:34, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thats okay, I guess, 'cuz MMII is supposed to last 15-16 weeks. Kupohunter 15:41, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I do believe the fight is over by now...let's carry on, shall we? --Haveanicedays 16:22, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

There's fights in MMII. Isn't that enough? Tonberi

Well, yeah, but this is on the front page, and it's kind of stale. Y'know what I mean? All they need to do is change it every week, unlike the insane multitude of MMII fights. --Haveanicedays 16:57, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

It is running late, and It's had no votes for about a week. Tonberi

It would be futile for me to pretend that this isn't partly shameless self-advertisement, but you never know: it might also distract people from complaining, ne? If you feel bereft of fight activity while the DNC is stuck on this fight, and if MMII is not enough for you, might I suggest you have a poke around in some of the many user arenas on the Wiki? -- Sorceror Nobody  18:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

While true, still needs a new fight. Tonberi

...uhmmm I think it's decision time... with the new battle currently underway... -_- NarutoDetective 03:02, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to make any sense.

Votes for Moogle[]

1. Moogles are demigods sent by the FF deities to watch over humanity and guide them in times of strife, which is why they make a habit of saving your party's ass on a regular basis and supporting them no matter what. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:53, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
2. I've always loved Moogles... --LeonStrife95 03:55, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
3. Why does the image have to be FFXII Moogles -_- Oh well they're still Moogles. NeoZEROX 03:59, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
4. FFVIIACCXD 04:02, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
5. Want my main reason? Here you go. Besides, everyone remember the Moogle summon from Crisis Core? All materia-> mastered... I FREAKING LOVE YOU GUYS! Don't get me wrong, the Tonberries are cute and bad-ass themselves, just Moogles are a little better than them. Likeacupcake 04:12, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
6. Moogles are cuter then Tonberries. Tonberries are the pain in the ass to kill. CloudyWolf06 04:17, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
7. I love the fight description. This makes no sense. Wise words. Anyway, I've loved Moogles since I've been playing FF. They're mascots, just like Chocobos, Cid and Gilgamesh. They're cute and they kick ass (Specifically Mog from FFVI.) I could list a million reasons for this vote, but I'll sum it up with one word: KUPO! And why did we get a picture of the Ivalice Moogles? Seriously, they looking like freaking rabbits. I miss the old school moogles, like Mog or the FFIX Moogles.  TheBlueDragoon 05:56, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
8. Who doesn't like Moogles, kupo? TARDISES 06:35, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
9. Kupo! Kupo-po! KUPO! Uppfinnarn 07:08, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
10. You know, I really wanted to vote for Tonberry... - I really did. Tonberries are awesome. But... hell, if there are characters like Mog, Montblanc and Hurdy on this side, how could I not place my vote here? Moogles are simply awesome and, like Drake said, they're always there to help you out. So, there's just one left thing to say: Kupo! MirrorshardSceada 07:31, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
11. Fixing airships, giving you a boatload of rare items and money, (thanks Montblanc!) giving you easy access to the best synth ability in FF XIII (Neocho + instant stagger = Growth egg) and they're so cute they even surpass sickeningly cute. Moogles rule the world! Mog&Boko 11:33, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
12. Kupo? Edelritter 12:15, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
13. I'd hug a moogle. Plus, interacting with moogles is absolutely necessary for some games (at least IX and XII). And Lulu loves them, so I gotta love them too :) KujaRhapsodos 13:24, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
14. Wark? Bjarnster 13:37, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
15. I'm sorry Tonberries. It's not you, it's me. ClixPsi 15:25, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
16. Kupo! Psduckie 15:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
17. I'll kupo for moogles, kupo! ZaFlareStar 19:00, August 8th, 2010 (UTC)
18. Critter Tripper Fritter!? Gotta love that tune. Diamond Dragoon 16:23, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
19. Win--DarkTriforce 16:28, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
20. I find that moogles ar usually important to the game whereas tomberries are just randoms that take forever. case in point: Moogles: VI: the ten moogles and Mog IX: Save points X: weapons Tonberries: NONE! Uther
21. Kupo! they dance and Terra loves them isnt that instant win? xD Pyarox 18:33, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
22. Coming from Final fantasy these guys are plain out awesome FFaddict234 15:39 August 8th 2010 (UTC)
23. Moogles are so cool!Fluffy moogle 21:38, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
24. I like Tonberries, but Moogles are way more awesome. Also, there should be a fight between the 3 icons (Chocobos, Tornberries and Moogles). RazielZero 00:00, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
25. I'm not really sure how to compare these two. The only comparison I can possibly think of is the DMW in Crisis Core where they're both summons and Moogle is much better there since Tonberry just does really weak damage. Likable? Obviously, moogles. Tougher/more of a pain to fight? Probably tonberries, but you never really fight moogles that I can think of and I certainly wouldn't want to fight Mog, Montblanc, or Stiltzkin. Yrl 02:31, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
26. Kupo? Haha. it's hard to choose, but I guess the Moogles have my vote because they are useful in Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts... I think the original look (big red nose) is the best. - XxLightningxXXIII 02:37, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
27. I knew what a Moogle was before a Tonberry --Videogames4all 03:28, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
28. Moogle's wreck shit up. =) --JohnnyC 18:31, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
29. Of course Moogles would win in a straight up fight. Tonberry's are too slow and lack abilities in all of their appearances. Moogles have a large variety and are flexible with how they can be used. YKProductions 06:06, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
30. oh dear I love them both but Montblancs picture is adorable Purple lightning 11:19, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
31. Kupo + Supercool = WIN! --YamiMysteriaG 12:40, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
32. There's no resisting the pom-pom. Kupo! King of Noobs 16:05, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
33. KupoKupoKupo. KUPPPPPPPPPPPPOOOOOOOOOOO! So awesome! User:MystRay 18:36, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
34. Sunpanda2012 02:52, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
35. in FFTA a tonberry's knife attack thakes 9/10 of you hp. a moogle can use ultima charge to kill that tonberry,plus there faster, and can steal the tonberry's knife-User talk:Aznkingdom03:34, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
36. For the sexy No, wait, that's not right. What I mean is, uh... FOR THE MASCOTISM!!!! Plus Moogles can fly. Tonberries can't (unless they're Tonbaleks...) -- Sorceror Nobody  14:33, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
37. Kupo! Simply put! Zey^pher 20:48, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
38. Morrison, Moguta, Moguo, Stilzkin, Artemecion, how many Tonberries can speak entire non-creepy sentences, fly, wield guns, lances, blades, bows, and have names? I thought so, kupo. Kupohunter 21:59, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
39. This May as well be Montblanc Vs. Tonberry. He'd Win Hands Down. Theentertainer 21:15, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
40. So for the moogles! Kuzlalala 13:15, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
41. KU-MOTHERFUCKING-PO. TheSirLaguna 18:51, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
42. Because in Final Fantasy XI, Riko Kupenreich will show you a bill with a sum so large it inflicts terror on your character, preventing any action, movement, breathing, and will keep you airborne for the duration of the effect had you left the ground a moment prior. All hail Kupo Kaiser! Apathetic Piggy 08:59, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
43. I'd rather not have a cold blooded killer have a grudge against me. :3 Judge Balthier 20:38, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
44. Destriker73 00:00, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
45. KUPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPOPO Jeffrey or SSFF6B 00:52, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
46. I've got two Moogle plushies, but no Tonberry plushies. 'Nuff said? SamSandy 15:33, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
47. I almost feel sorry for those poor tonberries. Oh, wait, no I don't. Eat that, you knife-wielding jerks! (Forgive me, I'm reliving the scarring event I had in the crater when I was 4 years old. The knife... the knife...!) Jimcloud 17:44, August 17, 2010 (UTC) is finding her happy place.
48. Come on! There's no way a freakin' Tonberry could be any competition against the Moogle! Chocobo maybe, but not Tonberry.--Mjka 19:55, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
49. One more vote for the cuddly nation MMLN メーマウリアン 07:58, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. It's true that tonberries are scary as hell and pretty strong but come on... who doesn't love moogles? 84.90.241.103 15:11, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
2. I am kupo for kupo nuts kupo. I'm gonna have to go with the moogles. Our fat, fury, red nosed, squinty eyed, source of mail in FF IX! whithout it i may not have received important information from the tantalus.#74.244.14.135 01:49, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
3. Moogles are playable and cudly. Tonberries, on the other hand are cool but not playable except here ( only as a costume). 174.49.248.70 11:44, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
4. I love moogles, especially the FFXII ones! But I want a stuffed one that looks like the moogle girls' from the Square-Enix Shop.134.174.21.5 18:27, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
5. Moogles!!!! 206.248.81.109 01:17, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
6. I'm sharpening my knife kupo! Pfft...Moogles have knives too..and(I know I'm gonna get flamed at this...but..) IT'S SO FLUFFY!!--202.151.200.68 10:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Tonberry[]

1. DOINK - +DeadlySlashSword+ 03:57, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
2. Not even Moogles can beat the power of KARMA! 死の騎士 08:30, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
3. It pains me to vote again moogles but Tonberries are truly terrifying. Plus it's going to be a landslide. Hamfruitcake 09 11:11, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
4. Srsly? 8bit BlackMage 14:33, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
5. Kupo! --Haveanicedays 17:39, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
6. Tonberries are the gods of death OwlEye 17:57, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
7. There's blood on your hands, player. This monster will see you suffer accordingly.  Armageddon11!  18:47, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
8. Fëasindë ^{te audio} 04:00, August 9, 2010 (UTC): Tonberrys shouldn't lose this badly. Seriously guys, give the poor guys a bre- *DOINK!*
9. Nooooooo! How is the Tonberry losing? I quake in my boots whenever I see a Tonberry! It is the bane of my existence! Besides, have you SEEN the Cactaur and Tonberry flash animation show? Do Moogles have their own show? I didn't think so. Nokareon
10. I found that Tonberry made a better summon in VIII than Choco/Mog did in VII. And any Tonberry would insta-kill Montblanc or any other Moogle with enough battle experience that they could win, because of Karma. MechaUltimaZero 09:52, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
11. "Kup-*DOINK*" LC 09:55, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
12. Moogles are not as cool as tonberrys. Mogs are too much like a character race to me now. It's like elves, dwarves and humans... The Rood Inverse 14:45, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
13. As much as i love moogles, Tonberry's are scarier. Im afraid of karma. Except in Crystal Chronicles. Moogles are way better in that game. Yet, Tonberry's still get my vote. Irish Reaper 15:16, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
14. Tonberries are losing by a long shot right now, but I like them just the same. Besides, Tonberries are the masters of DOINK! Legend of Fantasy 17:34, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
15. Kitty. --Ghost of Christmas Looooong Past 20:54, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
16. They're adorable. - Ash Crimson 19:30, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
17. Because I have never defeated one...xD SquallRocks 13:52, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
18. doink? Tonberi
19. DOINK! + Karma = win. Moogles are cute, but Tonberries provide so much satisfaction in defeating. Kimahri51992 23:29, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
20. CardboardBoxMan 06:18, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
21. I've been going back and forth on this one..I really just don't know which to vote for. I finally decided on Tonberry since I've never been killed by a moogle, and tonberries "DOINK" is so awesome. Seriously, how can you not vote for the one enemy who doesn't blow you up with realisitic fire, but shanks you with his knife?Bond em7 14:09, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
22. ... ... ... DOINK!!! XIII Heartless 23:38, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
23. Tonborries are, and always shall be, the most annoying enemy in all of Final Fantasy, at end-game, when your party members have all slaughtered thousands of innocent creatures. (And most non)Between everyone's grudge, and their knife, no blasted Moogle is safe. Darkeclipse21 01:26, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
24. Master Tonberry + Knife + Everyone's Grudge = WIN!!! Omni Wind 21:56, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
25. I didn't think this would be such a hard choice. I'll have to go with the ones who can murder you within an inch of their lives.Mynameissora 15:53, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
26. I know everyone loves moogles but it should be who would win in a fight. ill be honest moogles arent the strongest things and tonberries will kill them. there is no argument. if you are truly saying who you think would win put your vote over here. User:Knights-of-the-cloud! 13:03, August 16, 2010
27. I think Tonberry is cooler. Wish you could get one as a party member. Modedan 22:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
28. AAAH!! IT'S TONBERRY!!! DOINK. xD Tonberry is awesome! Grim Ripper 03:36, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
29. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L - Objectively... one hit, dead moogle.

Anonymous Votes[]

1. 201.10.98.42 22:57, August 8, 2010 (UTC) Tonberries have the power of KARMA!!!!!
2. 87.20.82.65 11:21, August 9, 2010 (UTC) A Moogle can't stand against a Tonberry
3. 129.49.7.126 13:17, September 15, 2010 (UTC) My double-sided coin landed on heads.

Peanut Gallery[]

I normally don't do predictions, and I'll probably jinx it, but anyone think the Moogles may just win? Likeacupcake 04:23, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

It's possible ;D Epic Landslide, anyone? Uppfinnarn 07:09, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe this seems like a good idea because I haven't slept for a day, but who thinks Tonberry party members would be awesome? 08:37, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, Tonberry party members WOULD be awesome. Actually, in Final Fantasy Tactics A2, you can use Charm on them to get them to your side for a while, and that's REALLY awesome since they're so overpowered. Uppfinnarn 10:22, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Tonberry party members would be sweet. But as the user above me said (Sign your posts!) Charm only lasts for a battle, if even that.  TheBlueDragoon 17:32, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

A Tonberry in my party... - Dear gods, that would be a dream come true. Just imagine how powerfull that party would be... - Heck, even if it were just a temporary member or a guest, the Tonberry would definitely rock the house. MirrorshardSceada 20:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anybody notice how just enough of Tifa's votes for it to become a draw were deleted overnight because when I checked yesterday she was ahead by over 10 votes. I find that pretty suspicious. OwlEye 17:57, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

ya last time i checked Tifa had like 54 votes + 11 anon votes, so some Aeris fan removed alot of Tifa votes to draw it Pyarox 18:30, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was TA who deleted the votes dude. He's the one in charge of the DNC, and only he has the authority to remove votes. Might want to keep that in mind.  TheBlueDragoon 20:36, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

we know, but why would he remove votes to make the result a draw? Pyarox 21:41, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Probably because they may have been votes by people that made accounts just to vote, or something like that. TA most likely had his reasons. Likeacupcake 00:07, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

As I can see, most of the ones he removed were reasonable. Unregistered votes at the user section, offensive comments and things like that. RazielZero 00:11, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Some of the votes on Tifa's side where offensive I noticedPurple lightning 11:21, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Im pretty sure that my vote was not offensive. And ive had this account for over a year, so can somebody explain why my vote got deleted? Irish Reaper 13:28, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

If its that big s deal, ask TA. Like I said above, he's the only one with the authority to remove votes. Seriously, its not like a wildfire.  TheBlueDragoon 01:41, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I guess he might have wanted to do his best to avoid the flame war because there were not nearly that many offensive votes. OwlEye 19:11, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I, kupo, didn't even have to think about this one. kuPoHunTer 19:29, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

You are correct. I have my reasons. As you might suspect, I do pay more attention to these things than some give me credit for. It doesn't have anything to do with a flame war though. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 03:42, August 12, 2010 (UTC)~

Alot of the deleted votes were users and most didn't seem to say anything remotely bad. ? were they fake accounts? I'm a bit confused, what were the reasons? Is it okay to ask? --CarloGrimaldi 14:47, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed a lot of people have sort of forgotten how the Colosseum works. I thought it was supposed to be voting for the winner of a fight, not who's more popular, cuter, hotter, etc....unless i'm wrong now? YKProductions 03:20, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

read the very first line (not point, line) under the rules heading. Likeacupcake 04:35, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, a fail on my part, somehow missed "popularity contest". Thanks for that. YKProductions 04:52, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

This is probably the biggest landslide I have ever seen. TheSirLaguna 21:35, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

lol this is nothing compated to the bangaa v. Vierra Pyarox 22:29, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

woah, your right :P  The SirLaguna 

Poor Tonberry. I used to hate Master Tonberries because they kept on killing me xD But now I actually like them... Omni Wind 21:58, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Ok why has moogle's side gotton wider? Did someone mess with the format?Purple lightning 13:12, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Either someone messed around and they changed it back, or their testing something. YKProductions 17:34, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

It was accidental. SSFF6B wrote a too long "KUPOPOPOPOPO" and the system didn't break the line. I cut down from it so now it's back to normal. RazielZero 20:13, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, people are talking about how the tonberry would beat a moogle in a fight. I beg to differ. If a tonberry even got near a moogle with that knife of his, an army of fanboys/fangirls would swarm the tonberry and pummel it into submission. It's almost like the moogle's own version of Karma. Jimcloud 17:50, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

^-- This = WIN! XD -- Sorceror Nobody  19:27, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Epic win. I think Jimcloud has just become my new favorite user. That made me laugh so hard I shot Coke out of my nose.  TheBlueDragoon 22:07, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Added to my "Quotage", where I store quotes of a few FFWikians :P -- Sorceror Nobody  22:29, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to see that page. I could use a few good laughs.  TheBlueDragoon 01:45, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

There are actually very few quotes there so far, but here it is -- Sorceror Nobody  12:51, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Ms. Gainsborough[]

1. First vote for Aerith! I like her more, for the fact she died to save the world. And I have a thing for the White Mage job class.  TheBlueDragoon 06:09, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
2. Because when I played FFVII for the 1st time 10 years ago, I was so shocked about her death. At the time, the death of a player character in a game without game over screen, was something I never experienced before. MMLN メーマウリアン 07:53, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
3. For being sexy without having to be buxom and in a revealing outfit. Aerith is also more useful than Tifa in battle, having Limit Breaks that heal you, make you invincible and charge up your Limit Meter, while Tifa and most other characters just do a slightly stronger attack. Doreiku Kuroofangu 10:18, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
4. Tifa's over hyped, so to balance the plates a little, I'll go with Aerith. Likeacupcake 10:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
5. They both have bland personalities and are over rated and mediocre in battle but I would rather go with the girl that sacrificed her self to save the planet rather than the one who I hate and is just liked by the males for obvious reasons. But those obvious reasons are why I hate her it gets on my nerves. Sorry I should calm down :)Purple lightning 11:36, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
6. I love both.Aarim 12:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
7. She may not have boobs the size of your head, but I'll choose Aeris over Tifa every time -- Sorceror Nobody  12:49, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
   EDIT: ...and so will Cloud :P -- SN
8. I like both, but I am voting for Aerith because: 1, she actually helps you in battle, like all White Mages; 2, she looks good without having to have breast implants like some other party member; 3, She died, but still lived in a sense (try to top that Tifa); and 4, She has more votes right now. So, yeah, I think I am going to have to vote for Yuffie. :) 13:58, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
9. I dislike both immensely(thanks to overzealous fans who won stop yammerin'). But Aeris is the much better character. She has a more rounded personality, she's caring, out going and has spunk. Tifa may have a cool more hands-on fighting style(pun intended) but that's all she has and she's not even as good as like Sabin or Zell. Low-cut skirt and tank top with ballistics underneath doesn't distract from the boring character. Aerith has some pretty nifty Limits(not that used 'em)AnonyMan 14:35, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
10. I'm a guy, I like women, i like REALISTIC boobs. Derum
11. i'll take the kindhearted flowergirl over over the baloon boobed bartender anyday. not to mention i can't stand the smell of alcohol UTHER July 27, 09:57, 2010
12. I love her abilities; she would have been in my final party if she had lived. What I really like about her is that she's a White Mage, but she's the one with the more empowered personality. I use Tifa a lot in my run-throughs, but Tifa is the shy one. I'll give the edge to Aerith for standing out and being a little flirty.ClixPsi 16:03, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
13. Tough choice for me, and I almost never use the same party twice in Final Fantasy VII, however, my vote goes to Aerith. I've always had a thing for healers (which she's more commonly portrayed as) than monks (who, while yes, kick butt {literally,} but that's about all they do.) Plus she continues to help/save the world even while dead. That get's some brownie points in the "useful party member" category. King of Noobs 16:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
14. NEVER voting for the one who should be dead. Tonberi
15. This was a hard choice, but out of the fact that the Dragon's Neck Coliseum was never about teh smexies, Aeris has to win this one. I mean, she gave her life up for the whole world. Tifa may also have some good characteristics, but she's just for hotness, typical fan-wank material. YKProductions 17:58, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
16. I like Tifa, but Aerith is much more lovely. She literally gave up here life for the world, and she helped the world even after her death. Also, one of the most awesome male protagonists of all time is her boyfriend (Zack of course) RazielZero 18:33, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
17. Aerith helped save the world even after she died. So beat that Tifa.--ZexionFan321 19:20, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
18. Aerith has a beautiful voice. ForsakenLion 16:01, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
19. OMG. My fight got in!!! YAY!! And I'm pretty sure you all know why I'm voting for AeriTH :) FinalFantasyAerith 20:08, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
20. Aerthith has magic and healing powers, and all Tifa physicle attacks, go Aerthith Wikia Boy 20:18, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
21. Yeah. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 22:12, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
22. Aerith, is beyond godlike! I mean come on, she captured the hearts of two SOLDIER memebers, died to save the world, and makes Cloud forgive himself and IS JUST>>>>AN ANCIENT! Easy vote, very easy vote indeed. User:XxGuado_SeymourxX 11:17, July 28, 2010 (AEST)
23. Hard choice for me, but aerith is a sweeter character and is more amusing to date in FFVII. TheWOL 20:19, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
24. I'm basing my vote on Crisis Core here, despite having played VII. And in my opinion, the whole thing with writing over 80 letters to Zack after his disappearance is a display of true love, and that just does it for me. MirrorshardSceada 13:33, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
25. I loved Crisis Core....and Aerith/Aeris is my favourite FF girl..and I never did like Tifa much anyway--Koori-san 13:40, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
26. I have to cast my vote for Aeris since she really got me involved in the game, instead of just running through them. She's the best FF girl, and is still the only character than has/can make grown men cry. Bond em7 18:19, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
27. Both awesome characters, but I'm voting for Aerith because her relationship with Zack (who beats Cloud any day of the week) brought a tear to my eye. BrokenDamageLimit 23:45, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
28. Because she needs you. Because she loves you. Fëasindë ^{te audio} 03:39, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
29. Aerith because I like healer classes, and she sacrificed herself for the world. I like that.Seraphim'sZephyr 07:30, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
30. Aerith in my opinion is much prettier than Tifa. Anyway I saw Aerith first.--TerraBranford145322 11:33, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
31. Aerith died to save everything she held dear, seems sensible to vote for her ..Flareofholy
32. Tifa may be able to deal more damage, but Aeris (or Aerith) would heal the damage, and still hurt Tifa, not considering the use of items. My vote to Aeris. --Videogames4all 03:28, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
33. As much as i like Tifa, i prefer Aeris. It has always been a dilemma on "who is my FF7's favorite character?" Well i made up my mind, she's definitely stronger, no wonder why we can't have her for the whole game as invincibility is above everything, besides to my mind she's prettier Badag 15:32, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
34. I prefer her. That's... pretty much all I have to say on the matter. KujaRhapsodos 02:40, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
35. Aerith is a nice, sweet and kind person, somebody you can really talk to and not feel awkward. She has that "nice understanding girl" thing going with her and I like it. She's my favorite female from FF7 and 4th favorite female of FF period. Truesdale 07:52, July 31, 2010 (UTC
36. go Aerith oh yeah. areith is sweet and kind tifa is creepy. Rinoa Leonheart 05:53, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
37. For some reason i hate Tifa, and Aerith is most probably my favorite FF7 characterNeoExdeath 10:06, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
38. I've got nothing to say here except that I prefer Aerith. Tifa is still cool though and I would not mind at all if she won, so go Aerith and Tifa!--StragusLore 00:33, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
39. NeoZEROX 01:17, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
40. I think Aetith's death is considered the saddest moment in Final Fantasy history. There's a reason for that. Aerith is awesome!!! User:MystRay 22:34 July 31, 2010 (UTC)
41. Personally I find Aeris hotter than Tifa. 死の騎士 16:03, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
42. Because Aeris was the only other party member when she first becomes playable, I cared a bit more about her as a character at the time. Tifa just seemed like a tag-along character when she first becomes playable. Note that this is my opinion from back when I first played through the game. AKA a long time ago.  Armageddon11!  20:36, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. Aerith is not only a better character, by far in my opinion, she's also a better fighter, thanks to her awesome limit breaks. 84.90.241.103 19:01, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
2. I'm only going to say Aeris because she is a good healer, and if the two girls were going to fight, then Aeris has the whole of the Lifestream on her side (seeing as she is dead and all). --24.34.218.11 12:41, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
3. Limit breaks hands down. *Imagine Airetam Storm dealing 0 dmg due to easily achieved limit break invincibility AND full heal to HP and MP* 218.186.10.228 13:21, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
4. Because Aerith died and saved the world If Tifa died..A meteor would crash into the earth then everybody would die. Plus i like her upbeat personality, Tifa to me has no personality.#69.172.28.98 14:28, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
5. Tifa went from badass to PLEEEEASE LOVE ME OH WHY DON'T YOU LOVE ME YET, CLOUD???!! Aerith, however, did not have a personality 180, so she wins. 216.115.159.78 15:22, July 30, 2010
6. Aerith is more awesome in the fact that she is much more cruel than Tifa could ever hope to be.75.33.70.118 18:31, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
7. She's awesome. And her Limits Breaks, pretty useful. 69.159.174.226 03:05, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
8. ugh...people only like tifa because of her boobs.Aerith is a hero!! Tifa is a whore!#74.244.14.135 18:55, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Ms. Lockheart[]

1. For the boobies smexy. ;) --<color="gray">SilverCrono 05:01, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
2. FFVIIACCXD 05:42, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
3. what SilverCrono said ^^ Pyarox 08:43, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
4. She can attack using dolphins that come out of nowhere. Thats impressive. Bjarnster 10:48, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
5. She's not Aerith. :P Mog&Boko 11:58, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
6. Well I am surprised Aeris is winning. Tifa is a much more realistic character so I'm gonna vote for her.Keltainentoukokuu 14:51, July 27, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu
7. Aerith's life and death are way overrated. I had people telling me they cried when Aerith died. But really she never becomes dear enough to the player that her loss has any impact to us. It's more there for shock value since characters didn't get killed off too much in those days. But my opinion on Aerith is a big, definite, "Meh". -Nokareon
8. Tifa because I like her better and Aerith is really bad in a crisis. I mean, come on, a guy falls from god knows how high through a church roof, lands right in front of her and all she does is yell "Hello"? She does this twice!! They're probably really badly hurt. Cman2024 23:23, July 27, 2010
9. I've always been in love with Tifa! So yes.. Tifa.. O_o Zey^pher 15:26, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
10. I always liked Tifa. Heck, she kicked Loz's ass in Advent Children! Krystal Tomlin 16:13, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
11. 1:like what SilverCrono said 2:she actually does help you in Kingdom Hearts 3:she doesn't die 4: she gave me Fenrir in Kingdom Hearts 2. 5: People who dont play final fantasy 7 can easily read her name with out hesitation. ect.User:Aznkingdom16;40,July 27,2010(UTC)
12. (...where did my vote go? Re-voting...) Tifa is just about THE most useful character in FFVII, great at both Magic and Physical Attacks Uppfinnarn 16:57, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
13. As much as I like both characters, I have to give Tifa my vote. Putting her chest aside, Tifa has always struck me as being the more mature character. And what definitely puts my vote with her is when she looks after the two kids in Advent Children, even when Cloud leaves. It was nice of Aerith to do the whole healing of Geostigma water thing, but Tifa was caring for the children's lives for that whole two year time period. Not that Aerith wouldn't have done the same if she was alive, but shelter, food, love > illness curing. Kimahri51992 17:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
14. 10 hours of party member vs. Sexy party member for whole game... Tifa. :) Tyler Beoulve, knight of Awesomeness 13:39 July 27, 2010 (UTC)
15. I vote for Tifa and will I set fire to anybody who votes otherwise. KILL WITH FIRE! KILL WITH FIRE! - Ghost of Christmas Future 17:48, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
16. As a certain standup comic would say titties. Plus Aeristh's death just didn't really affect me since I never used her in my party. OwlEye 18:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
17. I never used Aerith, Tifa made it to my final party, and I just prefer her overall design. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 19:28, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
18. Tifa has more character development and personality, and is so much more lovable IMO. Madaskueuchiha 22:08, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
19. Gorgeous, powerful and oh so complex. Hamfruitcake 09 22:18, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
20. Jesus, committed relationships are hard. Masamune
21. Wow, tough decision. I actually really like both characters. Tifa gets the edge though because, while Aerith has the better storyline (it's pretty epic), Tifa is much more useful because she doesn't leave the party before any difficult boss/superboss battles occur, she's physically stronger, and in VII anyone can use Cure and Esuna with the Restore and Heal materia, Yuffie has the Clear Tranquil limit break, and it's extremely easy to get the White Wind enemy skill really early on so a dedicated White Mage is kinda worthless. Yrl 03:12, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
22. Sunpanda2012 04:10, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
23. TIFA!!!!!! User:MyFinalLionheart 10:20, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
24. Yup --Moocowisi 16:53, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
25. Dolphin Kick. - Paramina 17:44, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
26. Aerith summons Holy to save the planet, yeah. But Holy saves nothing, the lifesteam has to come in because holt sucks at life. Tifa can still use materia well and is much better than a dead character. Aerith never liked Cloud, only Zack and Cloud-that-thought-he-was-Zack. Sad. --CarloGrimaldi 23:30, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
27. At least she stays alive =D --Squall117 01:23, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
28. Munk451 Tifa is an epic character and has some pretty good limit breaks as well as being able to console Cloud when he needed it.
29. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-boo--BOONDOCKS! LC 11:05, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
30. Vote for the slut Tifa! User:SquallRocks 21:32, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
31. Not sure if this means who is better for Cloud, or simply who we like better, but it's Tifa. Because Aerith belongs to Zack, and Tifa's so much more bad*** anyway. Mynameissora 13:46, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
32. At least she doesn't need to die to be noticed. Balthier99 15:25, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
33. The aforementioned physical reasons, but she is genuinely the only FF7 character I can say I actually like. (MOSt of the others are just ones I can tolerate.) She also has the potential to break 9999 damage WHEN ONLY ON LIMIT LEVEL 1. Making her technically one of the most powerful earlygame, not as if you'll even reach 9999 damage that early. TARDISES 19:50, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
34. As much as I like Aerith, Tifa has my vote for three reasons: 1:She's drop-dead sexy 2:Her Limit Break's PWN 3: She can solo Emerald Weapon. Makoenergy99 00:58, July 31, 2010
35. Zack445 12:49, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
36. Well, at least she's still alive. Kuzlalala 14:32, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
37. In the Words of Tim Minchin, "Fuck I love Boobs Though..." Theentertainer10:21, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
38. You gotta go for Tifa. Toshiro Frog 00:54, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
39. She's bringin' sexy back Edelritter 14:27, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
40. She's not a complete slut, neither did she die after I spent forever power leveling her ¬¬ Bluesilver 14:32, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
41. My vote goes to Tifa, because one, you can actually keep her for the entire game versus Aerith who dies at the end of disc 1. Why waste gil on her weapons that only sell for half the price you buy them? Two, the fact that Tifa takes care of the orphans AND puts up with Cloud's emo attitude. Three, that Aerith's death was blown way out of proportion. When I first bought FF7 I expected to be blown away by Aerith's character only to be faced with an extremely annoying and crappy character. And four, when Aeris finally got to the Lifestream she just brushed Zack off like 'whatever,loser' Poor Zack... Either way, my vote goes to Tifa, MaliciousMisery, 12:03, August 3, 2010,
42. Tifa clearly has a better natural skill set, and she has much better limit breaks. Oh yeah, and she's still alive. Rykuzeath, 2:09, August 3, 2010,
43. Really? Just really? If I was Tifa, I would Beat Rush the hell out of Aerith! YUM!!!!! Ultimecia82 #20:40, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
44. Tifa is more real. She has more emotions than Aeris IMO. ChaosEsperVII 5:51 August 3, 2010
45. Have you read "Cloud Mows the Lawn"? This girl is winRAR -Azul81677 03:10, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. 79.47.82.230 13:36, July 27, 2010 (UTC) I'm in love with Tifa!
2. I'd have to vote Tifa. She kicks butt and is just plain awesome!! 86.23.61.24 15:05, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
3. T.I.F.A. 157.157.198.112 22:32, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
4. 65.60.214.171 04:49, July 28, 2010 (UTC) Well seeing how Aeris dies like half-way though the first disc I'll vote for Tifa
5. 201.66.26.191 14:57, July 28, 2010 (UTC)Tifa is more realistic, mature, beautiful and useful than Aerith.
6. The most awesome female character ever. 206.226.255.59 14:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
7. 88.151.27.235 22:13, July 29, 2010 (UTC)My vote goes to Tifa! I prefer her over Aerith, who I felt was a bit of a cow to Tifa, to be honest!
8. 98.237.247.112Aeris is too annoying
9. 77.30.165.108 06:05, July 31, 2010 (UTC)Both are great but I would choose Tifa since she was sincere with her first love till the end...
10. 201.14.6.253 19:28, July 31, 2010 (UTC)Tifa Rocks!
11. 70.73.60.217 05:53, August 2, 2010 (UTC)Aeris/Aerith just always seemed too annoyingly happy and bright and optimistic and perfect. Tifa felt more real to me. And her limit breaks were cooler. (:

Peanut Gallery[]

I remember when this was suggested, a few people said this would turn into a MASSIVE flame war. Let the burning and bashing commence!  TheBlueDragoon 06:10, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

The flame wars are the best part of these sorts of competitions. If you really want to enjoy yourself; act like you care and join in! Likeacupcake 06:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

This is going to be good but I do hope Aerith wins. I really like what Doreiku Kuroofangu said about Aerith being sexy without having to have large parts of the body and revealing outfits (but I'm a girl and I'm straight so that sounds creepy in my head). I am the only one who despises Tifa by the way??? Purple lightning 11:42, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

It should be good (I'm not so great at the predictions, so I'm not even going to try).(And Doreiku Kuroofangu is Drake Clawfang in case you didn't know.) I don't so much despise her, more of just annoyed of how she's portrayed; wasted potential. They have so much room to pan her out into a really good character, but they do nothing with her except put her in miniskirts, give her as many chances to show off her chest as they can, and punch one or two things before fading into the background. Likeacupcake 11:52, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

If I'm honest, i like neither that much, never used them in my party unless necessary, but I guess all of that should be channelled into the hated ones discussion.Mog&Boko 11:56, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Tifa exists for three reasons only: (1) To add layers to Cloud's backstory (2) To ignite shipping flamewars (3) That FMV when the WEAPONs emerge from the crater (bouncy bouncy!) XD -- Sorceror Nobody  14:57, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I like Tifa, and she isn't a whore in terms of character. But let's not pretend they haven't tried to turn her into their own personal whore by milking her for all the fanservice they can. Aerith has not been so perverted (pun intended). Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:49, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Tifa has been milked yes. But so have a lot of other FF characters She's not a bad character by any means, I just prefer the flower girl. The same way I prefer steak over vegetables. Anyway, point is, when you have too many sequels and prequels (Crisis Core: AC, DOC... You see where I'm going with this.) The characters are just being milked. Wow, milk and Tifa... Hmm, talk about a bad joke. XD  TheBlueDragoon 04:55, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

you got that spot on sorcerer nobody :D Purple lightning 11:26, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

You forgot that FMV before that motorcycle minigame, too. That would also go under your point 3.TARDISES 19:45, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

What I don't like is how most of the Aeris voters think of Tifa as a big boobed whore bartender. This is not so. Now, considering FF is fantasy and from Japan, which is (in)famous for anime, a lot of characters in anime have naturally big chests. Now, one can assume Tifa is one of these; and, as a voter stated, Aerith was actually more flirtatious than Tifa. So pretty much half of the Aerith votes are m00t. =3 --SilverCrono 16:12, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Neither girl is a "whore", that would just be a bizarre thing to say. Nothing wrong with being a flirt OR in wearing a short skirt for a bartending job. I personally find the Japanese sexualisation of an innocent young girl who is too naive to realise she is being objectified as a sex symbol(Vanille is the perfect example), much more disturbing, than making an adult woman who can appear in sexy attire and be sexy. I'm happy they didn't pedo Aeris too much in Crisis Core even if she was shown in the ultra naive and sweet and innocent role. That role just isn't natural. The teen-age Tifa also seen in Crisis Core was more fitting teen-girl character, though sadly she isn't seen much.Keltainentoukokuu 16:23, July 27, 2010 (UTC)Keltainentoukokuu

I dunno about other voters, but I certainly don't think that Tifa is a whore. However, she definitely is a big-boobed bartender. That's not opinion, dude, it's undeniable fact! XD -- Sorceror Nobody  18:14, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Tifa is a whore. She's an awesome fighter who is probably one of my favorite monks (After Sabin) but her character isn't very developed. She's there to look cute and support Cloud storywise. But I LOVE Aeris. She's a strong, well developed story character. Not only that, she is one hell of a mage, and she's cute, although I like her Crisis Core style more. >> Anyway, yeah, neither is a whore. You want to see a whore? Look at my ex girlfriend. XD  TheBlueDragoon 18:35, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa now I have to step in and disagree, Tifa is very well developed I think specifically in FFVII. It's just not as obvious as Aeris who had to be developed quickly and then killed off before the end of Disc 1. Tifa, by her name, initially starts the game with all her thoughts and doubts locked away deep inside. She loves Cloud (or cares about him greatly) so much that she is willing to doubt her own memories and her own feelings to accept his deluded fantasies about his existence. By the end of the game she is willing to fight for what she believes in, specifically Cloud. The Tifa at the start of the game would not have been brave enough to stand up to Cloud and tell him how she felt, but she did under the Highwind. I think that overall Tifa's development is more realistic than other characters as it isn't so in your face and she doesn't voice every thought and emotion she has. She's very human in the way she keeps things to herself, as do we all. That's why I, as a female gamer, personally love Tifa and don't care about her (intimidating) bosoms. Damn I hate leaving walls of text -.- Hamfruitcake 09 22:28, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

The 7th ChaosEsper returns with his 7 cents.... I agree with Hamfruitcake. I find that the best character developments are the hidden ones, the kind that you think back and say "Wow she really did change." In real life people do not change on the fly, its a deep, personal process. Tifa developed alot more than Aeris I must say. I love me some Aeris and all, but she only seemed to change when the Cetra where brought up in conversation. So of course its going to be in your face. Tifa shows her reservations and her insecurities most of the time so after a while they fly by unnoticed. Again in real life we don't notice the person in front of us want to share a secret, or are depressed, etc. So in the end, Tifa really is more real. I think the Tifa haters are judging the book by its cover. ChaosEsperVII 5:48 pm August, 3, 2010

Didn't we already made that fight? To me, voting for either one (leaning towards Aeris) will end up in a flame war, so I'm out of this...again. Pikmin Master 17:33, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

You have to admit, though, flame wars are part of the fun of the DNC. Also, flame wars are utterly inevitable, so... :) KujaRhapsodos 03:07, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind the occasional flame war. Gives my computer a warm, fuzzy feeling. As long as we don't degrade into a "super flame war" where we drop nothin' but "f-u noobs!" left and right, of course. King of Noobs 04:28, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

A flame war with proper grammar is alright to me. KujaRhapsodos 16:29, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

But then it wouldn't be a flamewar. It'd be a calm, reasonable argument :P -- Sorceror Nobody  16:42, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Somebody edited my comment for Tifa. Well I though it was funny. User:SquallRocks 15:49, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

New comments go at the bottom of the Peanut Gallery. Your vote was moved for the same reason, if my brief skim through the page history does not mislead me... -- Sorceror Nobody  21:07, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Haha, now I feel stupid. Thanks for clarifying! User:SquallRocks 20:24, July 29, 2010

32 to 35 1/2. Talk about one close match.  TheBlueDragoon 23:41, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I had actually predicted a draw from the start. But it might start to change soon. Bjarnster 00:33, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm predicting a draw, or a very close win for Tifa.  TheBlueDragoon 05:43, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's going to be a draw. I thoight tifa would win by a lot when I first saw the fight.Purple lightning 12:33, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

hahaha the Odin vs gilgamesh also started to look like a draw in the beginning, but Gilgamesh won after a week of 2 Gilgamesh took the lead, so you never know how this one is going to end (altough i think its gonna draw as well) Pyarox 12:51, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I like what you did with the names in the boxes. Showing them respect, are we? TARDISES 19:52, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think it was done becuase last time Aerith was in a fight people kept changing her name from Aeris to AerithPurple lightning 12:16, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Definently a draw now Purple lightning 09:48, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

How the fuck did it end up 50 1/2 (Fifty and one half) to 46? It looks like 1: Tifa had 56 votes and Aeris 50, and 2: There were no half votes. I'm not saying that Tifa won because of the margin, but it makes no sense that the final score is what it is. --Videogames4all 03:27, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Please don't swear, it's not polite. Secondly; a annon vote is counted as half a vote. Likeacupcake 03:31, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, please excuse my fuckin' language! I'll stop now... but thanks for telling me. It makes much more sense. However, shouldn't the score be on Tifa's side since she had the most votes? --Videogames4all 03:44, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

"Ties may be called if the victor won by a margin of 10% or less" That's why. RazielZero 07:33, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Odin[]

1. I know now that Odin has the elements of lightning and wind in XIII, and Lightning can ride him! Plus, Zantetsuken ftw! Yay! First vote! Cluna 06 22:55, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
2. Because it's OVER 9000!!! Judge Balthier 23:20, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
3. This is pretty hard, odin is just too awesome though NeoExdeath 00:16, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
4. Because he's awesome, and he basically belongs to my favorite Final Fantasy character. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 00:22, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
5. Hard choice, but the instant death helps grinding in a number of games, and the thing that won me over. Likeacupcake 01:37, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
6. Kayreeed 02:34, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
7. FFXIII and instant KO helps a lot in Crisis Core. FFVIIACCXD 03:26, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
8. CardboardBoxMan 04:04, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
9. This norse god has my vote. Plus, Gilgamesh is occasionally used as comic relief, destroys his rep for me. TheWOL
10. Ugh, no competition between the two, so this is decided on "Odin! Cut us a path!" Mog&Boko 10:22, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
11. In VIII, at least you know what to expect when Odin shows up. Gilgamesh, not so much. King Nothing _{Where's your crown?} 12:16, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
12. Because he doesn't confuse his sword with a cheap knock-off. Mynameissora 16:16, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
13. His sword aint fake, ZANTETZUKEN Johuotar 20:41, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
14. Odin is just amazing in every game. 24.233.163.218 Acboyz2
15. Because I knew Odin first. And I always loved his sword.  TheBlueDragoon 03:33, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
16. Oooh, this one is a toughy, but I'm gonna go with the man on a six-legged horse. After all, I didn't need to steal from him god knows how many times to get some of the best equipment in a game (XII) and in my honest opinion, he causes the "DAAAAAAAAAAANG!" expression on me and my friends every time we see him. Not as much as the various Bahamuts, no, but still pretty close. King of Noobs 05:17, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
17. Tough Choice but imma go with odin XD Wind and Lightning have always been fav elements. theron101 01:39, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
18. i loved Gilgamesh in FF V, but im still going for Odin, i especialy love the crisis core and the XIII versions of Odin Pyarox 09:29, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
19. Tough choice, but Odin kicks a bit more ass Jamiemitsu FTW 19:06, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
20. Odin is awesome xD FinalFantasyAerith 20:13, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
21. HolyHighwind 01:31, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
22. RazielZero 14:45, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
23. Copycatloki 19:56, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
24. Rinoa Leonheart 23:39, July 11, 2010 (UTC) OH YEAH
25. Odin is awesome, while Gilgamesh is dumb (collects worthless swords) and cowardly (runs away from battle) Yrl 00:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
26. Odin is so much more awesome- He only needs one sword and can KO any enemy with one strike (and he doesn't run away from a challenge) XIII Heartless 03:47, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
27. Certified badass. ZazComet 20:04, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
28. Munk451 Odin is epic, Zantetsuken = Assured Death. Also, Nice Touch in FF13 for being Lightning's Eidolon
29. Puh... this one is really though. Gilgamesh is awesome, he appeared in most games and his theme, Battle on the Big Bridge, is really just perfect. However, Odin was in my opinion the best summon in XIII, his summoning animation in CC was awesome, and instant kill is just... well, it just helps a real lot when your grinding. Plus - and this is, what decides it for me - Odin is my favorite god. I love the Norse mythology... - And Odins the big shot in Norse mythology. So, it is Odin for me. MirrorshardSceada 20:40, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
30. Odin will just slice Gilgamesh in half with Zantetsuken. Shing. Tyler Beoulve, Knight of Awesomeness A man who's lost his pride can never be free. 03:30, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
31. Gilgamesh is two random for my tastes. Odin all the way. Balthierfan 15:03, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
32. Odin ftw! Acrum92 19:12, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
33. Tonberi
34. Bah! SquallisbetterthanCloud 20:19, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
35. Odin kicks ass! ZexionFan321 03:34, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
36. He appears as a playable character/summon in more games. Only reason for him to be > Gilgy! KujaRhapsodos 16:18, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
37. Gotta go with Odin. Although hes not nearly as amusing as Gilgamesh, Odin is the number 2 FF summon behind Bahamut. rottau17
38. CloudLeaf
39. Odin may not have the variety of weapon that Gilgamesh has but I believe he uses his more effectively and lacks some of the randomness that is Gilgamesh. Eoria 10:36, july 25,2010 [UTC]
40. I remember him when a friend played VIII and found him at the Centra Ruins. Boy that was epic. Gilamesh was a replacement, so Odin wins. YKProductions 12:45, July 26th, 2010 (UTC)
41. TacticAngel 04:40, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. No question. Odin ftw! "Let's ride!" 86.31.95.12 20:58, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
2. Gilgamesh is cool...but I think I like Odin better..--202.151.192.98 23:57, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
3. C'mon, he rides Slepnir and is the All-Father of the Norse Gods!!69.108.106.54 07:05, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
4. "We'll carve out a new fate!" Odin gets my 'cause I love Lightning and he has alway been one of my favorite summons along with Shiva. Those two will always get my vote. 71.235.164.33 01:32, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
5. I love Gilgamesh, but Odin has a special place in my memories. 206.248.81.109 00:11, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
6. Odin all the way! 85.220.26.127 14:26, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
7. Zansetuken all the way. It's saved my butt more than once!--24.60.76.143 00:20, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
8. Odin ftw! 84.248.247.201 13:05, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
9. Odin is one of the best Final Fantasy summons 212.30.196.188 17:15, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
10. Thor, I calleth thou to lend thy hand to help Odin in this fight! For Yggdrasil! -71.98.40.126 19:06, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
11. Have to go with Odin 85.220.26.127 16:28, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Gilgamesh[]

1. because the "Battle at the Big Bridge" is one of my favourite tunes in the whole FF universe, and just because Gilgamesh simple kicks ass with his big collection of swords!!! MMLN メーマウリアン 23:32, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
2. 1.Because he's hilariously awesome(That is meaning funny and entertaining loser). And #C because he shares the name with the real Gilgamesh who is too badass for words which is probably why most of his Epic tale's records are lost. Props to Odin and his Six-Legged Horse though. AnonyMan 00:15, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
3. Odin has never been anything besides an overblown show-off, lots of MP to summon but the times you'll want to use him he never works, and most of the time for his MP cost you're better off just summoning Bahamut. Going by summon effects alone Gilgamesh is by far the superior summon, sure his effects are random but you've got a 75% chance of MASSIVE DAMAGE (I've always wanted to throw that in somewhere), while Odin's chances of success are usually around 50%. Mathematically, Gilgamesh is superior. And that's not even getting into Gilgamesh as a character rather than a summon. Doreiku Kuroofangu 01:10, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
4. Does Odin have his own kickass theme song? - +DeadlySlashSword+ 01:29, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
5. The Black Mages eventually convinced me. Bjarnster 01:31, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
6. Granted, outside of FF Odin One-Eye could kick the s*** out of some punk-ass Sumerian demigod any day of the week (especially Wednesday), but Square's Gilgamesh has Battle on the Big Bridge, old-school comic relief, and great cameos across the series while Odin has a useless signature attack. Masamune
7. Ghost of Hanukkah Past ツ 01:56, July 9, 2010 (UTC): Is there really any other choice but to vote for GILGAMESH?? The only Final Fantasy character that could ever beat GILGAMESH in battle is Ghostie.
8. He just keeps warping through reality...Exdeath64 04:56, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
9. I predict another blowout. --Moocowisi 05:54, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
10. GIRUGAMESH! Jeffrey or SSFF6B 06:16, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
11. I love odin so much but Gilgamesh is funny and cool at the same time and he was fun to fight in FFXII.Purple lightning 07:41, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
12. Difficult to go against Odin, but Clash on the Big Bridge has to net the win for Gilgamesh. Also, getting cut in half by Seifer = Odin FAIL -- Sorceror Nobody  10:52, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
13. "Enough of this foolish flabbery. Now we fight like men. And women. And women who dress like men.". Gilgamesh FTW! Uppfinnarn 13:34, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
14. I like Odin, but Gilgamesh is so much more epic! Zeypher 14:51, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
15. "For Gilgamesh it's morphin' time" OwlEye 17:41, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
16. "FOOLS YOU FACE THE MIGHTEST SWORDSMEN OF ALL OF IVALICE,YOU FACE ME,GILGAMESH!" Naruto195 19:32, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
17. ""Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! For Gilgamesh...it is morphing time!" LC 01:21, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
18. I loved the way as he sacrificed himself in FFV, mostly his line before his dead--Xabryn 02:51, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
19. Can anyone say landslide? At least, it should be. ;-) -Nokareon
20. Let's fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! For Gilgamesh....it's morphin' time! TheRedNinja 07:36, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
21. He was just 2 awesome in XII 4 me not 2 vote 4 him.Mr_Darkside 13:34, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
22. ...Why wouldn't I vote for Gilgamesh? ClixPsi 13:41, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
23. Odin wouldn't handle so many big swords. Balthier99 16:08, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
24. Well, there's really no choice here for someone who loves Final Fantasy V like me. It has to be Gilgamesh. Legend of Fantasy 18:29, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
25. Ugh... this was one hard choice, but Gilgamesh has a lot of things that I like, he's fun, he has a whole bunch of cool (and fake) swords, and "Clash on the Big Bridge" is an awesome song. The Ultimate Mage 3:30 June 10th, 2010 (UTC).
26. He's just awsome! ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 12:58, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
27. In an arm wrestle, eight arms beats two. In a swordfight, eight arms wins against two. So what the hell is it that you people can't see that Gilgamesh would clearly wipe the floor. Also "Battle on the Big Bridge" is nice. Plus, he's funny.SaneKefka 22:51, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
28. Gilgamesh is a much more interesting character. SamSandy 10:21, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
29. Odin only has two arms and a horse. Gilgamesh has EIGHT ARMS! Oh, and a pack of dogs. -Therider Rides Alone 11:42, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
30. Unlike Odin, Giglamesh has an amazing theme song. CaptainKhaos 17:44, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
31. Gilgamesh is a weapons master, and as a summon i love the uncertainty of what he will do, i almost never use odin, i find instant kill attacks to be a quick cheap way out of a fight. plus who could go against 'Battle on the big bridge' its too epic.King of Phantomile 13:50, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
32. Odin is so bland in most of his appearances.  Armageddon11!  14:39, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
33. Fake swords, but real wins. Can Odin beat that, I think not. - thgthgt 20:30, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
34. Gotta give this vote to good old Gilgamesh. From FF8, when Seifer owned Odin and then gets owned in turn by Gilgamesh. Kimahri51992 02:59, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
35. YOU CANT BEAT GILGAMESH rchelifino
36. Clash on the Big Bridge. Also, he's the greatest character in the entire series. Don't believe me? count his appearances. Then count that of any other character. He is only beaten out in appearances by the recurring summons, to my knowledge. TARDISES 04:54, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
37. Only because Gilgameh is best the thing ever next to Excalipoor. xXdbXx 9:14 pm, 07/16/10
38. Gilgamesh is hilarious-- he has way more personality and easily gets my vote. George B. (talk) 23:02, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
39. Gilgamesh is the best. Odin may have a more powerful summon, but Gilgamesh is more than a summon or a boss. He has a personality bigger than that of those who summon him. Kupohunter 10:44, July 18, 2010
40. gilgamesh is a funny and epic character.he can also attack 4 times without stopping in ff12RW.i vote him.Shereo 16:33, July 17, 2010
41. Because Eight Arms Are Better Then Six Legs Any Day.MyFinalLionheart 1:21, July 18, 2010
42. Gilgamesh already has Odin's Zantesuken. RedCap
43. My weapons are forfeit to Gilgamesh. D: Born from Darkness 01:41, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
44. After reading his story in history class, he became my favorite summon. GO ENKIDUSunpanda2012 23:25, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
45. Mistaking Excalipoor for Excalibur, why wouldn't he win? 8D :D User:XxGuado_SeymourxX 13:47, July 22, 2010 (AEST, Australian Eastern Standard)
46. --Silver Mage Ω 01:27, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
47. Theentertainer This is hard. I like both quite a bit. But Gilgamesh is quite comical and I enjoy the fights with him.
48. Gilgamesh may not be a better summon in Final Fantasy VI...or a smarter enemy (because in Final Fantasy V, Odin is partly big talk, but Gilgamesh is JUST big talk)...but he is WAYYYYYY more hilarious than Odin is and will be...I think that Square-enix wasn't thinking much about the public when they got the idea of "Final Fantasy XIII" (seriously, Gilgamesh would have been an AWSOME Eidolon...) The Last 08:04, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
49. Gilgamesh. Come on. LunastraHugger 19:07, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. Gilgamesh has Battle at the Big Bridge, Genji equipment, a bunch of arms, lots of famous swords, and pure awesomness... 84.90.241.103 18:06, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
2. "Now we fight like men. And women. and women who dress like men. for Gilgamesh, it's morphing time!" 75.93.176.139 18:20, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
3. Gilgamesh has the biggest collection of weaponary in the world and he carries it all on his person and in FFXII he's really funny too. And he's got a wolf/dog.82.31.2.94 14:26, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
4. All Odin has going for him is his One-hit KO attack. Gilgamish has that and more (and less) and more.--98.74.7.13 00:19, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
5. Gilgamesh was my favorite hunt/mark to do :D i love his wolf doggie too and I like his comical character. Plus, he's super awesome with all the swords.85.44.9.126 20:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
6. 201.40.208.11 00:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)Gilgamesh is cooler

Peanut Gallery[]

Wow... Now this is a hard choice.  TheBlueDragoon 23:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to think about it and vote later. This is going to be a much closer match!Likeacupcake 00:56, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm probably going to flip a coin. I really can't choose between them.  TheBlueDragoon 21:30, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

=S Very hard choice. KujaRhapsodos 01:21, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

I guess BlueHighwind will always vote for the right side. Also, who am I gonna vote for?!? KujaRhapsodos 03:36, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound rude, but that joke was funny for the first two or three times you said it, but it's wearing a bit thin now. Likeacupcake 04:59, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

(Why do I even reply?) First, that's the first time I say it. Second, it was a statement, not a joke. KujaRhapsodos 13:18, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wow this is going to be a tough one :/Purple lightning 07:42, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

@DeadlySlashSword - Odin does get "Desperate Struggle" as his Eidolon theme in XIII, but it's more a question of, is "Battle on the big bridge" better?...Don't make me choose! Mog&Boko 10:24, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

This could be an interesting one. Odin's superiority (in principle) versus Gilgamesh's popularity (in practise) could make this close. If I were the betting type, my money would be on Gilgamesh, though. DNC = popularity contest, after all -- Sorceror Nobody  16:30, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ghost of Hanukkah Past My Ass. But you gotta love blue XD. theron101 01:43, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

No I don't Likeacupcake 12:45, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

But Thou Must. Bjarnster 12:57, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Blue is the king of kings!! XDPurple lightning 14:57, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oh man, I'm really hoping for a draw... I already feel terrible voting against Odin... Bjarnster 23:16, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

32 for Odin and 36 for Gilgamesh when I posted this. It's not a run-away, that's for sure, and it just might end up in a draw. King of Noobs 03:58, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I refer you to my comment above, where I said it looked like it might be close :P -- Sorceror Nobody  08:16, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yay! Odin's catching up! :D Mynameissora 07:05, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

39.5 Odin and 43 Gilgamesh. JUST above the % for a draw, if I'm doin' my numbers right (most likely not, been a while.) King of Noobs 05:29, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

I wondered exactly how the "margin of 10%" works, so based on past results, I figured out that it's 10% of the leader's total. Since the difference here is 3.5 (which is less than 4.3), it's currently a draw -- Sorceror Nobody  14:05, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: Actually, Odin only has 38.5, so Gilgamesh is just barely winning -- SN, 14:08, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Gilgamesh probably won't lose (not to quantify my poultry prior to their emergence from their shells). Even if he gets no more votes, Odin still needs 9.5 more to beat him. Otherwise, it's a draw or a Gilgy win -- Sorceror Nobody  16:29, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a new fight soon?Uppfinnarn 18:48, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ya, this has been going on for almost two weeks now. We need a new fight. CardboardBoxMan 20:43, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I was gonna say the same thingPurple lightning 20:44, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

You guys a dam impatient you know. There will be a new fight when TA puts it up, be that in five minutes or two weeks. Just relax and enjoy the show instead of complaining about the gum beneath the seats. Likeacupcake 23:18, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'm probably risking the wrath of Drake Clawfang nobody in particular *cough* by mentioning this here, but... if you want a colosseum with a rigid timetable, I happen to know where you can find one... -- Sorceror Nobody  19:53, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Your Colosseum is cool :3 (edit- forgot to put my username and stuff :() Purple lightning 15:28, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Mine is better =3 *brick'd* --SilverCrono 04:35, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

...says the guy who stole my templates for it >.> -- Sorceror Nobody  11:30, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

I prefer sorcerer nobody's one :p. But silverCrono's one is good too Purple lightning 12:47, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

D: --SilverCrono

For those complaining about the fight running long, be patient. It will be updated either when TA changes it or if he deputizes Drake or someone else. At least its somewhat close.  TheBlueDragoon 19:54, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I will be doing it tomorrow. Needless to say, I'm weary of funny business this week, and want to give it my complete attention. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L 04:44, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Can't wait. --SilverCrono 05:07, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Take your time TA. We're in no rush. Or at least I'm not. User:TheBlueDrahoon/sig04:49, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Bangaa[]

1. At least these guys are useful in Tactics A2. サイクス、 月の悪魔のダンス 13:31, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
2. HEY! Lizard is a derogatory term to Bangaa, jerk! And they aren't ALL about brute strength, just rely on it more than others, not their fault they can't use magic too well(Magic is overrated anyway). Being pretty doesn't make you cool. Viera are too aloof and boring compared to the Bangaa...or most of the Ivalice non-hume races. Heh, that's why they dress like they do to draw attention away from that fact. AnonyMan 13:36, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
3. Awesome lizard people for the win. >_>  Armageddon11!  13:40, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
4. I love bangaas! --Moocowisi 16:01, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
5. Bangaa are stronger and actually do something within the world of Ivalice at large. The Viera mostly just hide away from the world. Exdeath64 18:45, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
6. Because socially inept overweight 13-year-olds don't masturbate to Bangaa. Masamune
7. They can be Dragoons, which after all the years that have gone by since Final Fantasy IV first showed up, is still cool. Plus, I have a thing for "ugly" races. FOR THE HORDE! (oops) King of Noobs 04:43, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
8. Curt Connors, alias the Lizard Bangaa.... Yes, I'm borderline insane. King Nothing _{Where's your crown?} 12:29, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
9. This is more or less a pity vote. I've done single-race runs in the Advance and A2 with both, but I've only done a single CLASS run with Bangaa (Dragoon). Nokareon
10. Master Monk + Unscarred + Pummel = OHKO! Master Monk + Shields = 50% Evasion = UNTOUCHABLE! Summary: Bangaas kicks ass, Bangaas are unbeatable! You can seriously solo-run almost anything with Bangaas, while Vieras are just weak - their magic is inferior to the Nu Mou, and their Physical stats are disastrously low. The Assassin + Green Mage combo can be really useful, but that's about the extent of their usefulness - Bangaas have a ton of useful combinations; Master Monk + White Monk, Trickster + Gladiator, Defender + Templar, etc... Uppfinnarn 18:51, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
11. I highly doubt a Viera would stand a chance against a Bangaa in a drinking contest - Which definitely raises the Bangaa-fun-factor. Besides, Viera are nice to look at but that's sadly all there is about. The awesome that is Fran is sadly not enough to compensate for that. (And I absolutely agree with Masamune on that 13-year-olds thing.) Contra Mundi 19:34, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
12. Booooo, Rabbit people suck!!! over 50 vierra votes you gotta be kidding me, I just created my 1st wikia account to vote Bangaa not viera. Lift off 16:06, July 8, 2010 (UTC)"

Anonymous Votes[]

1. Bangaas ftw! They have cooler weapons, like Bagamnan's massive chainsaw which is much handier in Revenant Wings than bows and arrows.86.29.59.135 14:20, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Viera[]

1. Viera all the way!! they are weapon masters and are sensitave to the mist. Bangaa's are just giant lizards who just rely on physical brute strength. Also i wouldnt wanna meet anyone who considers Bangaa as sexy. King of Phantomile 00:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
2. I don't even know what is on the other side of this page. A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 13:37, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
3. Weird ugly lizard-thing, or hot and sexy bunny-woman. Seeing as I'm straight I vote for the Viera. OavatosDK◕‿◕ 13:41, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
4. Only got a FFTA experience of them, but this is THE race to get red mage and summoner. And we all know doublecast + summon as been awesome as far back as FF5! TARDISES 14:19, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
5. I would normally give my vote to the Bangaa since they at least try to live along side Humes, but the Viera have a lot more diversity in warfare, due to their speed and spiritual prowess. ClixPsi 14:53, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
6. Because Fran>>>Whoever the Bangaa with the man-crush on Balthier was. Doreiku Kuroofangu 16:11, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
7. This is for my heterosexuality. LC 16:29, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
8. *revives the classic "For the sexy" argument* -- 16:53, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
9. Sexy rabbit or ugly monster, I'm going with sexy--Xabryn 16:57, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
10. Fran, nuff said :P MMLN メーマウリアン 17:23, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
11. In FFTA they were my best magic and physical attackers. Double casting+summons and the assassin's one hit kill moves were awesome.Sunpanda2012 17:35, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
12. My vote goes for "dat ass". The viera get interesting when they leave their boring home. ZaFlareStar 21:08, 26th of June, 2010 (UTC)
13. So... let's see: The Viera got the looks, the weapon skill, the sensitavity to myst and my most favoured jobclasses in FFTA2, like Fencer and Summoner. So, this really isn't much of a competition in my eyes... Viera all the way! MirrorshardSceada 18:40, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
14. Yes, I would like some extra sexy with my Final Fantasy, thank you very much. --El Aparicion de Navidad Pasado 18:50, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
15. For the sexy. And because I have a major crush on Fran. And because they can summon in FFTA and FFTA2.  TheBlueDragoon 19:12, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
16. My vote is for the vieras because they're both good physical and magical attackers, they've got my favorite job classes in FFTA2 (Elementalist and summoner with red mage's dualcast) AND they're sexy. The Ultimate Mage June 26, 2010 (UTC).
17. In FFTA2 the vieras can use dualcast :D User:UltimAweApon
18. I think saying that Fran is a Viera is enough, although i'm not really into the Ivalice alliance, except for the TA games maybe. Bjarnster 00:39, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
19. SO into viera! ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 02:25, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
20. Fran (and Balthier) repeatedly made a fool of the vicious psychotic Ba'Gamnan, who's really the only lizard of any importance. Plus fast/agile species that can make good mages and summoners versus one that just hits hard. Yrl 04:20, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
21. Please.. This is not a real contest, firstly Viera`s are hot and in FFTA they are very fast ,have extremely useful special jobs like assasin which kills any bangaa in ONE hit and summoners which are BADA$$, while Bangaa`s are slow and can only do weak moves like spellblade in their special jobs. theWOL 05:10, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
22. Fran's beserk thing on the dreadnought leviathin is insane. genesisrocks
23. So… vieras have summons/red mage in tactics advance while Bangaas have a Dragoon whose Jump fails half the time. Hard to choose… Alarielle 12:51, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
24. For Vixens and Dat Ass OwlEye 19:07, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
25. Because. :P KujaRhapsodos 03:50, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
26. The Man In The Black Cape 11:04, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
27. Bunny Girls > Lizard Men YamiNoBahamut 13:33, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
28. meh vieras are cooler than slimy lizard menPurple lightning 14:26, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
29. Viera are more versatile and useful characters in both the Tactics Advance games, though bangaa have their usefulness as well. Navere 10:28, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
30. Viera had me at tight outfits. If I ever see a lizard person in a tight outfit like that... *shudders* Acrum92 16:53, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
31. Figure Mr_Darkside 18:27, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
32. Rinoa Leonheart 18:17, June 28, 2010 (UTC) Oh Yeah
33. Who would you prefer,a lizard or a bunny? I'd love to have a bunny. Since I like Fran and shes a Viera,gotta go with Viera.Naruto195 22:40, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
34. Vieras are sexy. Jeffrey or SSFF6B 06:07, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
35. For obvious reasons, and because those lizards hurt my ears. Sorry if thats racist, but they are fictional, you know (unfortunatly)
36. One word: assassins Xaphnir 13:37, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
37. Jamiemitsu FTW 07:51, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
38. Just helping along this obviously one-sided fight. Anyway, Viera are very versatile. They have great weapon skills and magic(k)al abilities, including Doublecast. Pikmin Master 16:55, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
39. This is a pretty obvious win for Viera, but I like them better anyways. Legend of Fantasy 17:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
40. ;3 Judge Balthier
41. I support Fran so I'm with the bunny people :D. User:XxLightningxXXIII 105:53, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
42. I'm going with the cute bunny girls instead of the ugly monsters :V RazielZero 17:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
43. Sorry, but I'm just not into Bangaa. Nothing about them ever struck me as interesting.Jimcloud 09:03, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
44. Bunny people are more of an enjoy to look at Pyarox 19:30, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
45. Kayreeed 22:33, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
46. Playboy bunnies! Finalfreakfantasy 13:41, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
47. They called it overkill. Tonberi
48. 尾藤 来夢 20:06, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. I guess viera are much less ugly so... yeah... 84.90.241.103 13:24, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
2. they're so much cooler!! x3 109.58.66.233 13:55, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
3. Viera all the way! :D 86.29.59.135 14:18, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
4. I've been here almost every week and cant be bothered to make an account but I am seriously considering making an account cuase there is so many fights I would like to suggest!!!!! Anyway im going off topic veiras are cool and backgammon and his gang of bangaa race aren't appart from migelo I love him. But this is going to be a bad fight that has one side poorly neglected...82.3.2.188 10:36, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
5. 87.95.18.223 10:59, June 28, 2010 (UTC) Vieras are both cool and hot at the same time. They can seriously kick ass. Stacked bunny chicks FTW.
6. 24.17.54.224 01:39, June 29, 2010 (UTC) Viera are a lot...easier on the eyes, to say the least.
7. Awesome, oh wow!! Like totally freak me out, I mean right on. Toros sure are Number 1. 98.88.64.24 16:47, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
8. Viera are pretty cool. 206.248.81.109 18:53, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

I had forgotten I suggested this so many months ago. XD  TheBlueDragoon 19:09, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... I've never heard of either one. Likeacupcake 04:30, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Two of the races introduced to the Ivalice world starting in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. Bangaa are your general "brawn over brain" race, with strong physical stats, though they have some surprising caster classes. Viera are your lithe, agile race with a nice balance of melee, range and spell capabilities, and their best capabilities being their naturally faster speed. Fran's an example from Final Fantasy XII, and note how she starts off with bow and white magic, representing two basic Viera classes, Archer and White Mage. There's been no real notable Bangaa, but they are generally heavy-melee classes, like Warriors and Dragoons. Remember, looks are good, but looks don't get you anywhere when something wants you dead. King of Noobs 04:54, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

As you can see I am new here but not new here (i've been voting in the anon section for a couple of years now). Does anyone else see how this is going to be a landslide having the veiras win???Purple lightning 10:55, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

I was certain of it. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Why have all the fights I've suggested been landslides? I need to seriously consider my suggestions better.  TheBlueDragoon 00:04, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

TA is the chessmaster, always including landslide and/or flame war fights. :P --SilverCrono 02:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Once upon a time, there was a day where I made all the decisions without any consultation from others. There were suggestions, yes, but fights like this might never make it because why bother? Some people complained because there were landslides from time to time so we changed the way we did things. This fight isn't without merit, but its pretty obvious to anyone that a fight between a fugly race of hunchback lizards from which no real FF character has ever derived would lose to a race of shapely and exotic bunny girls from which the much beloved Fran comes, especially when the demographics of the voters are heavily tilted towards youthful males 15-25. I don't know if I'd have avoided this fight, specifically--we've had worse--but there's a satisfaction in knowing that all of you are still not necessarily better decision makers than your humble servant. -- T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

I'm surprised you actually replied to me TA. XD And yeah, I had a feeling that this was going to be a landslide, but I suggested it anyway. I'm a huge fan of the Ivalice games. And yeah, you're right, we HAVE had worse.  TheBlueDragoon 01:39, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing that we can expect the Ghost of Christmas Past to vote viera. First, they're in the right-hand column. Whether his tendency to vote on that side is a coincidence resulting from which fighter is on the right is unclear... Second, he has previously expressed disgust that the honorable job of dragoon is a Bangaa job in the Tactics Advance games. Not that it's my place to predict said user's intentions :P -- 12:19, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: Oh, wait, he already has. Didn't spot him before 'cause he used teh spanish -- SN

I think the right thing is a coincidence cause he voted on the for shiva and edea who are on the left side. Did he not?Purple lightning 14:31, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Completely and utterly off-topic, but I thought that BlueHighwind was supposed to be gone. 18:36, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much everyone knows that he isn't (and most knew it as long ago as the actual "departure"), although he's more of a lurker than a regular contributor now. Few who "leave" the wiki ever stay away completely, and a declaration of leaving generally just means ceasing significant contribution. ILHI is another example -- 18:50, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

ILHI? you mean JBed? XD --SilverCrono 02:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I've never played any of the FFT games. I was never into the tactics part of FF. So I don't know who I shall pick since I don't anything about the characters. Zeypher 19:05, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

So in other words, he's doing the "Eternally Revolving Door." How lame. Anyway, if I may interject, Baanga & Viera aren't from the "Tactics" side of FF at all. Oh, I see how it could be confusing, given the fact that the first game they appeared in was titled "Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced," but XII & the TA games really have fuck-all to do with the actual jewel that is FFT.Neo Bahamut 20:24, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Viera are winning. I'm shocked & amazed. SO! Kuja vs. Genesis was never crossed out. That means it's still good, yesh...?Neo Bahamut 14:40, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

• sigh* The Vieras will win 'cause EVERY most of the male FFwikians will vote for them 'cause they're sexy (Well... I voted for the vieras 'cause of that and 'cause they can be good mages XD) and they can be both good physical and magical units, The Viera have 39 votes and the Bangaa have only 10 for now, The Viera are clearly going to win. The Ultimate Mage. June 28th, 2010.

About that...why is it pretty much unanimous that Furries are weird, but that rule is apparently exempt for Viera? 'Cause I don't know about you, but I don't find anything appealing about borderline beastiality. Fran & the rest of her race are all kinds of fetish fuel that I just DO NOT WANT.Neo Bahamut 02:10, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

^The reason why I never liked Fran. --SilverCrono 02:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

"why is it pretty much unanimous that Furries are weird, but that rule is apparently exempt for Viera? 'Cause I don't know about you, but I don't find anything appealing about borderline beastiality."

Entirely inapt, as the only animal quality that Viera possess is their ears, if not for the ears they'd look like normal humans more or less. And its hardly bestiality if they aren't animals. Doreiku Kuroofangu 03:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

You're all forgetting something; THIS IS THE INTERNET, it doesn't matter how weird, volgur, rude or stupid it is, someone, somewhere has done it. Fury is just one of the more wipe spread examples. Likeacupcake 03:38, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Rule 34 territory. Terminate discussion, before it's too late! XD -- 10:06, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Whenever I saw vieras I never thought of them as furries. It never even crossed my mind. Anyway the furry thing should stop now like Sorceror nobody said :PPurple lightning 19:10, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I used to play SecondLife. And during my time there, I was a GM for a Final Fantasy VII RolePlay SIM who's story took place 6 years before Final Fantasy VII did. Anyways, At first, all the players had human avatars, but ultimately, we had to change the rules as more and more people came to our SIM in Furry avatars. When I left, at least 80% of the roleplaying population in the SIM played Furry characters (none of which were actually related to Final Fantasy animal-like races)... From that, I can assume that there are many FF fans who would prefer Furries over humans anyways. Fate's Chosen Hero 14:21 July 1, 2010 (UTC)

yeah I've played second life and there are so many avatars that are furries and they dress in skimpy clothing. I got off of second life though because some of the stuff in there was just smut and I hated it.Purple lightning 14:49, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Never call a Bangaa a Lizard. They're not Lizards, they're Bangaa. Calling a Bangaa a Lizard is about the worst insult you can give one - that mistake almost got Marche killed in FFTA, and the same mistake almost got Luso killed in FFTA2. You really should change that term unless you want to get killed by a Bangaa too. Uppfinnarn 19:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

'Failure to kill Marche is hardly an argument in the Bangaas' favour! XD -- Sorceror Nobody  21:52, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's actually pretty impressive to actually fail at killing him, but that's not the point. The point is that calling a Bangaa a Lizard is an unforgivable insult... Uppfinnarn 13:48, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, this is getting pretty embarrassing. Can we call it and move on? King of Noobs 19:02, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thats what I thinking this fights winner was decided ages ago now.Purple lightning 19:06, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Bomb[]

1. Flans die easily to the proper elemental spell in most games. Bombs on the other hand seem to explode sooner and sooner as the series progresses, to the point I end up watching them destroy themselves more than I do. Irritating little bastards, therefore more effective enemies. Doreiku Kuroofangu 02:00, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
2. I've been KOed a few times by their sucide attack, even Game overed a few times, but never has a Flan even KOed me. Likeacupcake 02:11, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
3. Flans are just plain stupid. Modeled after dessert anyone? LC 02:49, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
4. I hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE! Bombs, but they're better then Flan, so I must put my hatred behind me and vote for the clear winner (I mean seriously - would Flan even have a chance when a bomb blew itself up? Burnt gelatin anyone?) A.J. two ^{(Smashboards)} 02:57, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
5. Bombs are cooler than deserts. FFVIIACCXD 02:56, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
6. I never liked Flans--Xabryn 03:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
7. While I must agree with Sorcerer Nobodys vote that Flans would probably win in a direct fight, I still have to vote for the bombs. Why? Because it rarely ever happened to me, that a group of Flans put me in dire danger of losing the battle. Probably two or three times in some games, and never in others. Yet Bombs on the other hand have more than often managed, to coordinate their selfdestruction good enough to actually kill my party (most recent example: The Cryohedron in XIII). So I have to go with the Bombs. Oh, and on a side note: Bombs also look more like a threat to me optically ;) MirrorshardSceada 09:51, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
8. KA-BOOM!! Bjarnster 15:51 June 15 2010 (UTC)
9. Bomb: Rawr, imma blow your face off. Flan: Lolz, I iz squishee. :D Mynameissora 14:55, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
10. Ah, the Bomb... My worst enemy. I hated them in FFXIII. Annoying bastards... Anyway, Bombs usually explode and take the enemy with it, plus, they have access to fire magic, so they'd beat the flan pictured.  TheBlueDragoon 18:10, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
11. I vote for Bombs. One, the name, two, the Blue Magic Self Destruct, three, the name, four, running into a pile of jelly isn't as frightening as running into a floating, flaming weapon of fiery explosions. King of Noobs 05:17, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
12. Bombs are much more intimidating...Flans..are just blobs of different colored jelly..Hence why I call them blobby-chan..=.=;--Koori-san 13:19, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
13. Bombs can realy destroy your party in a moment... Flans are just annoying if you are out of MP MMLN メーマウリアン 13:47, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
14. Personally I prefer bombs. They look a lot more like an enemy to me and I agree with the already mentioned deadliness of mass explosion-spamming. Besides, there's probably no Enemy in XIII I despise more than Flanitors - so no vote for Flans. Annoying bastards. Contra Mundi 14:41, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
15. Bombs are the most annoying when I encounter them. Flan can die with the right magic skills. Bombs on the other hand you never know when they are going to explore and kill you or your entire party. Zeypher 19:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
16. My vote goes for the bomb here. The only thing flans can do is take away my mana in a slow process when I decimate them with magick. ZaFlareStar 1:52, June 17th, 2010 (UTC)
17. I think Bombs have been in more installments than any other recurring FF monster. Bombs played a (rather minor) role in the story of FFIV. Oh, and Flans suck. |Masamune
18. User:Cloudhighwind
19. BOOM BOOM OwlEye 03:32, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
20. Bombs are cooler CardboardBoxMan 07:36, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
21. Rinoa Leonheart 08:07, June 17, 2010 (UTC) yup Oh Yeah
22. ララ・ルナ・ステラ姫 10:02, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
23. Self Destruct :D Pyarox 11:22, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
24. Bombs are definitely more dangerous, although a flan might win in a straight fight.Aarim 13:36, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
25. Bombs do pose a bigger threath to my party than flans The Rood Inverse
26. Bombs invented the phrase "Weapons of Mass Destruction" before Bush ever came along. Nokareon
27. RazielZero 20:11, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
28. --Silver Mage Ω 08:18, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
29. Bombs are much cooler and have better designs. Faln Are just basically piles of Jelly, Snot, Goo, etc. mateo360
30. Bombs, definitely. Even if they did look pathetic in FF XIII. Jamiemitsu FTW 15:49, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Rinoa Leonheart 18:19, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous Votes[]

1. Flans are easy to kill even in the beginning of the game...Bombs on the other hand, were much harder to fight..*remembers Mom Bomb fight in FFIV*. Bombs look a lot cooler too..--115.133.216.88 02:27, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
2. Bombs go BOOM! Why pick a slimy jelly when you can have a manic fireball that EXPLODES?!88.151.27.235 22:50, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
3. 124.170.92.55 10:43, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
4. Bombs blow up in your face, and in doing so ensure that you get nothing from the fight... it's really TOO annoying 84.90.241.103 23:45, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
5. i like bombs because i hate flans83.132.51.44 00:05, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Flan[]

1. Because the Flanitor is the greatest thing to ever happen. --Moocowisi 02:12, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
2. In terms of which is cooler, better or whatever, I'd have to go for Bomb every time. So why am I voting Flan? Because in a fight, it's possible for the victim to survive Self-Destruct, but the Bomb never will. This means that if the fight isn't a draw (both die), then the Flan probably wins. This Flan is weak to Fire, but as noted in the Bomb votes by Drake, later Bombs boom sooner, so the FFXII one will probably resort to exploding rather than using Fire magic much to kill the Flan in a "normal" manner. God, I hate this fight... too complicated to decide :S -- 08:35, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
3. Moocowski said it all. King Nothing _{Where's your crown?} 14:05, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
4. Flan are far more annoying to kill, for sure. Self Destruct isn't at all threatening. ClixPsi 19:25, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
5. I agree, the Flanitor is one of the greatest monsters of all time! Rescue flan do rescues! Mog&Boko 21:10, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
6. Flans are tougher. Much tougher. Legend of Fantasy 00:42, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
7. BlueHighwind ツ: Delicious!
8. Both are usually really easy, but Dark Flan and Jumbo Flan from X are tough and Blobra from VIII was a pain. Yrl 06:24, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
9. That's a hard one, but Flan wins anyways... Just because several of Negi's Spell Incarnations in Mahou Sensei Negima! involves the word Flan :D Uppfinnarn 07:50, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
10. サイクス、 月の悪魔のダンス 14:50, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
11. Jumbo Flan says it all. It's immune to physicals and reflects magic. Instant win.Tonberi
12. Master Conjurer: BlueHighwind beat me to my original joke, so I'll point out that Flans typically have more variety, and therefore (in my book) more fun.
13. I hate both a lot, so im just gonna vote for the one i hate the most! D.Dark. 08:41, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
14. I HATE BOMBS THEY BLOW UP Rchelifino
15. FFX gave me some interesting flans to fight ^_^ FinalFantasyAerith 21:22, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
16. Isanely defense + no MP from attackers = No death, no death, no death! TARDISES 22:50, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
17. They're all squidgy like jelly, and yet it's a Flan! Doesn't that seem odd... FLAN! --Ammyissun 10:27, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
18. They look so kool in FFX Mr_Darkside 21:12, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
19. Flan. They typically are pretty resilient to both magical and physical attacks, and the only effective method for a bomb to kill anyone is to kill itself. T·A·C·T·I·C·A·N·G·E·L

Anonymous Votes[]

1. I dunno, I guess I'm just amused by their name... Flan... 206.248.81.109 00:10, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
2. Flan is simply... epic. They've got this squishy-squashy texture... #118.136.75.40 05:26, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Peanut Gallery[]

Don't wanna step on anyones feet, but how come that only half of the fights from the last round have actually be closed? Shiva vs. Ifrit and Zidane vs. Balthier are, while Lulu vs. Moogles and Edea vs. Golbez aren't... - We're they just forgotten, or is there a actual reason for this, as to why one shouldn't close them? MirrorshardSceada 09:55, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Not sure why honestly. But to point out your vote, I also hated the Cryo enemies in FFXIII. They explode way too fast.  TheBlueDragoon 18:12, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, they are pretty fast on the trigger sometimes... - However, on the other hand, if you manage to get a preemptive strike on them, then they're hardly a threat anymore. 6 seconds of battle, and 3 Cryohedrons down, hell yeah! xD But I find it so hard to tell which side's the front, that I often mess up and run head-on in them... %) MirrorshardSceada 13:14, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thats IF you can get the drop on them. XD I can't tell the face from their backs. Hate those damn Cryohedrons. These explode without warning.  TheBlueDragoon 18:30, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

This is a message for Lolcakes, FFVIIACCXD, and anyone else who uses arguments similar to theirs: Don't you read the bestiary entries? The dessert is named after the monster, not the other way around! -- 19:42, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Damn the... second... anonymous Bomb vote... I must... resist the urge... to change... my vote... based on... the compelling... MythBusters... argument... argh! -- 11:00, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Dunno about everyone else but can we please have a Sazh vs. Barret match soon, it's not like it's gone without support. Mog&Boko 21:13, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

If you keep asking for it in the Peanut Gallery, it'll probably get pushed back further and further. Thats what happened to Kuja versus Genesis. It got relegated to an April Fool's Day fight. Just be patient. TheBlueDragoon says: Patience is a virtue. Good things come to those who wait.  TheBlueDragoon 01:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

TheBlueDragoon is wise. Also, before people go saying that bombs are better because they explode and majorly damage your party how come, if it's Flan vs. Bomb nobody's mentioned fire absorbing flans (or ones that absorb whatever bomb element explosion) after that, Bomb's dead, flan survives...Mog&Boko 08:16, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I have to agree with you on that, Mog&Boko. For a direct fight, we'd actually need to know more about which Bomb and which Flan we're talking about. A fire absorbing Flan would definitely murder any fire elementar Bomb, while a Flan with a weekness to fire would hardly have a chance. We just don't know enough to tell. However, isn't this what makes discussing this fight so interessting? =) MirrorshardSceada 08:46, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

It's preferable, IMO, to generalise to all variants whenever possible. In cases like this, where generalisation is not so feasible, I find it best to assume the variant pictured, in this case the FFXII ones. Of course, as stated in my vote, the fight is futile if both die, so assuming this doesn't occur, the Flan is more likely to win because sooner or later, the Bomb will kill itself :P -- 12:38, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

So if we assume all variants are participating, then flans have an almost guaranteed win and with FF XIII, bombs require your proximity to do damage, flans have stretchy limbs...and flanitor. Shame that a lot of other people have just gone for the flashier enemy. Mog&Boko 15:31, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well, as I said in my vote, I went with the enemy that gave me overall more trouble. %) But all in all, it doesn't really matter, does it? For most people, this is a popularity fight anyway, so... MirrorshardSceada 16:07, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Nahh, it doesn't really matter, I'm just getting pedantic in a desperate attempt to see flans win...I'll shut up now. Mog&Boko 09:59, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

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