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other_XXX parameters are now deprecated after a discussion here and now non-Japanese & non-English licensors & networks have to be mentioned inside the article in prose form.

--KrebMarkt 16:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will be direct any trivial information will be removed/reverted.

That includes: Characters Height, Blood Type, Astrological Sign, Number of Oars Blade are not necessary to understand the plot and not necessary to understand character psychology. I'm certain some editors would have added the characters 3 sizes if they were available.

Second even if you don't agree of the trivial and unnecessary nature of those facts and want to dispute that point, i will still remove them because you don't assert them with a reliable source and thus those fact are not verified. Thus not verified not in the article basis. --KrebMarkt 07:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's some fine ruleslawyering. As if the anime/manga is not a RS about a character's blood type or astrological sign! --Gwern (contribs) 15:49 6 February 2010 (GMT)

That what you can do with a strict reading of Verifiability policy and it's by the book. I wish not to resort that kind of weapon of mass destruction if possible :(

Search the talk page article. There is a previous discussion about Characters Height, Blood Type, Astrological Sign, Number of Oars Blade --KrebMarkt 16:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiability is irrelevant. That that information is trivial and doesn't enhance the reader's understanding of a character or how she is characterized is not. (That said, given Japanese theories of blood types and personalities, an argument can be made for that being part of characterization. But without some sort of reliable third-party commentary that mentions it as significant, I'm strongly inclined to keep that out of the article as well.) —Quasirandom (talk) 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd digest ANN's review of season 1 myself, but I don't have time at the moment. If someone feels up to it before I get to it, go for it -- and also, watch out for other reviews in the usual places. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another one more lengthy here :

http://www.mania.com/aria-animation-season-1-collection_article_80386.html

There is an insane amount of Aria related reviews for the Origination on the anime blogsphere.

3 blogs related to people making the pilgrimage to Venize because of the Aria anime (May be cited on reception part of the article)...

As usual the hard part will be to not end into the Aria Fanboy service mode.

KrebMarkt

Coo. If we can find a reliable source that there's all those blogs, yeah, we can use it. Apparently the season 1 extras include material about the producers' trips to Venice and how they modeled the art on real locations -- useful for production material. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless the Fanboy content of those blogs, they made their trips to Venize after watching Aria anime that that should be accounted as a direct impact of the anime

Here those 3 blogs :

http://www.ruki.flame-haze.net/2008/07/18/aria-pilgrimage-day-one/

http://veniceorigination.blogspot.com/2008_09_01_archive.html

http://natsuneko.animeblogger.net/2008/07/29/aria-the-pilgrimage-venezia-navigation-day-one/

That an insane amount of material to digest.

The S1 bonus includes the 6 Seiyuu interview and the infamous “Satojun's 'Venice, I'm Sorry'” which relates Junichi Sato research trip to Venice and how much he underestimated Venize.

KrebMarkt —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

I almost forgot here another review of the Animation box on AnimeOnDVD : http://www.mania.com/aria-animation-season-1-collection_article_80386.html

That would made 2 reviews for the Animation box available as references.

KrebMarkt —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Hate to break it to ya, but that's the same as the first one you posted. (I'm slightly surprised IGN hasn't reviewed it yet, or hadn't last I checked.) —Quasirandom (talk) 20:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are right :(

I spend to much time browsing Aria related stuff so i messed up.

KrebMarkt —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Found one new review : http://uk.dvd.ign.com/articles/933/933047p1.html

A so so review for Aria demonstrating that Aria isn't for every public.

Another one here : http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=886

Another one here : http://www.daisuki.com.br/anime/aria

That more meat to grind for the reception section--KrebMarkt 21:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ex-cell-ent. *rubs hands* Once I get my computer back and rebuilt, I'll try to take a crack at using these. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not really a review but the point of view of Lisa Marie from Right Stuf/Nozomi about Aria

Beware the article is page 2 of their autumn 2008 catalog, around 10meg pdf file

http://www.rightstuf.com/rsstatic/main/printCatalog/2008_fall_catalog.pdf

Ephemeral reference material (catalog will change eventually) but there will be still the paper version of the catalog when the digital one will be replaced with a newer one.--KrebMarkt 22:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does it offer any insights into the production of the sub? —Quasirandom (talk) 00:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

None unfortunately. While having a POV from the Nozomi may be interesting, the content of the Nozomi article brings a bit much redundancy with what already said.--KrebMarkt 08:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There -- I've used all the reviews linked above that fit our guidelines for reliable sources. Time, in a month, to start watching for S2 part 1 reviews. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I pre-ordered the box, we are going to have another round of reliable reviews soon. It's a pity that the near-all anime blogs aren't WP:RS as most of their experienced reviewers (Those who watch anime ad nauseum) made strings of reviews and comments about Aria.--KrebMarkt 20:31, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

True, but given notice so far, it's clear the series is a critical darling (much like Yotsuba&!) and so likely to get more reliable notice. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More reviews for Aria the Animation :
DVD Talk (30 September 2008): http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/35777/aria-the-animation-season-1/
Active Anime (27 November 2008) : http://www.activeanime.com/html/content/view/4232/57/
Otaku Review (7 November 2008) : http://www.otakureview.net/article.asp?id=1495

Additionally Aria the animation got some more good points from Carl Kimlinger of ANN (5 January 2009) :
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2009-01-05
=> Best Opening 2008 Carl's pick  : “Undine” by Yui Makino, Aria the Animation
=> Best Japanese Dub Performance - Female Carl's pick : Erino Hazuki as Akari Mizunashi, Aria the Animation
It's still just the opinion of one reviewer of ANN but it's still worth its 2 cents.

I'm not sure if this is important enough to cover, but S1 was voted the best English anime release of 2008 by the readers of Mania.com. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This one is so-so, as on one side this is a Mania official vote with all that goes with it but on the other side the numbers of votes was very low something like 33 votes was for Aria out of around 165-166 votes. If the following releases get elected best release of their month that could be a more receivable and relevant argument for the reception part by an accumulation effect. Bottom line i'm waiting for Natural 1 & 2 and Origination future results in fellowing polls. Grzz my English sucks badly tonight :( --KrebMarkt 23:19, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, you're comprehensible -- no worse than a teenage boy on a troll forum. I agree on waiting for further reactions. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mania : Aria Natural part 1 Aria Natural part 2 --KrebMarkt 07:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is also an early review of the Aria the Natural in the January 2009 issue of Anime Insider that need confirmation.--KrebMarkt 08:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't suppose anyone's gotten hold of that issue of Anime Insider yet.... —Quasirandom (talk) 20:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the shoe finally drops: ANN review of part 1 ANN review of part 2. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I guess they will be lacking superlative for the Origination review knowing that things will get crescendo scenery porn wise, plot wise and animation wise. --KrebMarkt 23:18, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming Kimlinger will notice by Natural part 2 that there is character development happening -- he's usually pretty perceptive of these things, and by the second half of the season it's pretty hard to miss. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Almost forgot the reviewer dropped a line about Natural being the continuation of Animation rather the its sequel. That's one more point for not splitting the episodes list. --KrebMarkt 23:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another reviewer at ANN watches S1 S2 part 1 and gets sucked into the Aria love. (Picture is of S1, but the review mentions the first two episodes of S2. Argh.) —Quasirandom (talk) 15:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aria the Natural part 1 Review from DVD TALK
Aria the Natural part 2 Review from DVD TALK
Aria tha Natural part 1 Review from Active Anime
Aria the Natural Part 1 Review^{[dead link]} by Erica Friedman
--KrebMarkt 11:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update:Added the very late ANN part 2 review by Carlo Santos. Better late than never. --KrebMarkt 16:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving one review for French Origination : DVDAnime

(Actually, T.H.E.M. Anime has also reviewed it, which review has already been incorporated.) What's the jist of this review? —Quasirandom (talk)

Moderate review as we got Origination before the others two seasons. Wait a bit i'm up to write the French reception part what is painful will be to bring translated quotes in the references. Double job summarizing reviews + translation works. --KrebMarkt 18:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I can imagine. Take the time you need, and let me know if you need any assist on the English side. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FilmsActu (French): Origination Review Kaze Origination Release review
DVDdrama (French): Origination Review
Manga News(French): Origination Review Dossier Aria
Note: For non-French, the dossier Aria may make people raise eyebrows but still i'm sure the French publisher of Aria won't mind in contrary ;) There is also in the dossier two excellent comparative shots between the manga and the reality, i will try to do the same for the main article. --KrebMarkt 18:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah -- finally a reliable source doing the real world comparisons. Excellent. I'm intrigued by the comparison with Haibane Renmei (and don't disagree). —Quasirandom (talk) 19:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

North American round of review started:

Origination Mania.com What's Chris Beveridge just gave an A, i wanted A+++ --KrebMarkt 22:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origination ANN Carl Kimlinger Overall rating A- --KrebMarkt 16:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On January 01 2008.
Edited : Here some more items that can be included or NOT in the already long list of Aria merchandising product.
Not all item referenced here have a purpose to finish into the article but to display that people working of Aria article have been thoughtful in their researches.--KrebMarkt 18:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ARIA Navigation Guide is a more anime background focused guide of Aria in contrary of the three Perfect guides.
ISBN 4861272122 released October 29, 2005.
ref 1 : http://anime-horizon.blogspot.com/2007/08/aria-navigation-guide.html (for short description)
ref 2 : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861272122 (for the release date & official Mag Garden backing)

The President Cat Picture Book series A series of 3 picture books each focus on one president and comes with some goodies
President Maa Picture Book, ISBN 4861273374, released March 10, 2007, Goodies : Half white gondola, Athena Glory & President Maa mini figurine
ref 1 : http://www.hlj.com/product/MAG27337 (for short description)
ref 2 : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861273374 (for the release date & official Mag Garden backing)

President Hime Picture Book, ISBN 4861273382, released March 20, 2007, Goodies : Half white gondola, Akira E. Ferrari & President Hime mini figurine
ref 1 : http://www.hlj.com/product/MAG27338 (for short description)
ref 2 : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861273382 (for the release date & official Mag Garden backing)

President Aria Picture Book, ISBN 4861273382, released March 20, 2007, Goodies : Black gondola, Alicia Florence & President Aria mini figurine
ref 1 : http://www.hlj.com/product/MAG27339 (for short description)
ref 2 : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861273390 (for the release date & official Mag Garden backing)
--KrebMarkt 10:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Aria The Natural PS2 Game Material Collection, ISBN 4-7753-0523-9, released December 22 2006, published by Shinkigesha
ref : http://w3.shinkigensha.co.jp/books/4-7753-0523-9.html (Official Shinkigesha page)
Aria The Origination PS2 Game Material Collection, ISBN 978-4-7753-0645-1, released September 1 2008, published by Shinkigesha
ref http://w3.shinkigensha.co.jp/books/978-4-7753-0645-1.html (Official Shinkigesha page)
Those material collections are similars to the Perfect guide series save that they focused on the two Aria video games.
--KrebMarkt 10:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)--KrebMarkt 08:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]

ARIA The Best Selection Sheet Music, ISBN 978-4-401-02030-0, publisher Shinko-music, released June 25 2008
Ref 1 : http://item.rakuten.co.jp/gakkiten/10079540/
Ref 2 : http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-135-77-s-49-fr-15-aria-70-336m.html
This is a set of piano music sheets covering the 3 seasons of Aria. --KrebMarkt 18:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aria calendar series :
Aria calendar collection 2005, ISBN 978-4-8612-7075-8, released October 09 2004
ref : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861270758
Aria wall calendar 2006, ISNB 486127186X, released November 25 2005
ref : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=486127186X
Aria desktop calendar 2006, ISBN 4861271827, released October 29 2005
ref : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861271827
Aria wall calendar 2007, ISBN 4861273072, released November 10 2006
ref : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861273072
Aria desktop calendar 2007, ISBN 4861273021, released November 10 2006
ref : http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861273021
Aria wall calendar 2008, ISBN 486127415X, released November 30 2007
http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=486127415X
Aria desktop calendar 2008, ISBN 4861274168, released November 30 2007
http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/view.php?mode=detail&isbn=4861274168
That conclude the listing of every Aria related item available in Mag Garden catalog --KrebMarkt 11:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The set of umbrellas (The most extravagant Ad IMO) & the DVD-R set + Aria-sachou CDs bag/case
http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/ad/comiket72/index.html
The set of 3 sachou plush toys :
http://blade-store.com/MagGarde/7.1/0020082/
The Aria neckties collection :
http://www.speranza-style.biz/aria/products.html
The business card case ??? :
http://nijigencospa.com/detail/id/00000023046

When inserting one item into the article, please strike that item from that list.

To be honest, I think the calendars are a little too trivial to mention. You can find calendars for just about every TV show and movie out there, even ones that bombed. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree but i have been exhaustive. I put the items here then the would be editor consider whatever or not putting them on the main article. At least that would placate any ultra fanboy or girl about missing those ones even if they are not in the article. In fact i don't want them in it--KrebMarkt 18:16, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a release we don't mention, either in the article or the list of episodes: [1 DVD release of Aria the Animation], which yes really does have all 13 episodes on 1 disc. I hadn't known of its existence till I found it in a used book store today. Labeling is entirely Japanese except for the title and a one-paragraph blurb. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So what are the "Picture Dramas" anyway? DVD omake bits, a la the Maria-sama ni wa Naisho shorts for Maria-sama ga Miteru (only being actual dramas instead of faux-outtakes)? —Quasirandom (talk) 18:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures + Drama CDs = "Picture Dramas"

Stand still images with audio drama in background, the best is to see by yourself (Remove after use) --KrebMarkt 18:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've seen (a couple of) them. But when/how were they released?, I was more wondering. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bonus of the Origination DVD release, one Picture drama per DVD released for a total of seven ;) --KrebMarkt 18:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should we document them as part of the anime, then, as opposed to with/near/next to the drama CDs? —Quasirandom (talk) 20:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A simple mention in the Drama CDs section similar to the one for the Drama CDs included with the Perfect Guide Book will do. Perhaps we should also detail the bonus of the DVDs release in the form of a tab or a bullets list in the Episode list article ? --KrebMarkt 21:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This section is to discuss any relevant fact other than merchandising, CDs, games, books that could or should be included in the article with sources if possible & available.

Aria the concert.
Ref : http://www.jvcmusic.co.jp/m-serve/-/Information2/Z0160.html (Flying dog official announcement)
Ref : http://blog.excite.co.jp/exanime/6915556/ (A blog, Jun'ichi Satō was there)
Ref : http://sugarwaffle.jugem.cc/?eid=2135 (It was a sold out concert)
Ref : http://anime.geocities.jp/st_nht/hitorigoto_07.html#30Nov07 (The event related in english)
The best is to keep 2 links out the whole one for official credence, the others to back any description on how the concert unfolded. The official announcement won't tell you that the concert was a sold out. Edited : --KrebMarkt 21:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comic Blade published Aria related materials (Posters) even after the end of the manga.
http://www.akiba-station.com/blog/?p=687
http://www.mag-garden.co.jp/comic-blade/next2/next.htm

Aria being on the cover & back cover of the Comic Blade summer 2008 Comiket book.
http://aria.ipyo.net/post/list/bootleg/1
http://www.moemoerabu.net/2008/12/03/japan-trip-2008-merchandise-coverage-part-2/
(Must scroll down until you found the Aria image)Edited --KrebMarkt 08:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All those stuff can help the give more flesh to the article. The tricky part would how to integrate them.
Everyone feel free to add your suggestion(s) --KrebMarkt 20:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC) Edited : --KrebMarkt 09:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The dumb idea : We need a line or two about the covers of the Aria series being draw on Landscape format. Even if it's obvious for those who know the manga it remains one of its singularities. It's a relevant fact for people that know nothing about Aria.

I'm actually kinda surprised no one has mentioned the landscape covers. All that reviews note, when the notice the cover at all, is that the translations of Aqua use the MagGarden versions instead of the (better) original Enix ones. (And yeah, those are all good things to incorporate, if we can figure out how. For the development, I think it's okay to just toss things up, and then as we get more work out the stitching into a coherent narrative.) —Quasirandom (talk) 14:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, here's something else to include: more graphics. We have to be careful not to go overboard because of the policy on non-free images, but given reviewers of (especially) the manga specifically comment on Amano's art, we pretty much need something to illustrate what they're talking about. Unfortunately, the gorgeous landscapes mentioned most don't come through well in the 300px size we're limited to, but surely we can find something that fits. It'd also be good to have a screen cap or promotional image from the anime, so readers can compare art styles. If one of those could have several cast members, to illustrate their appearance, that's all the better. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Got something usable for part of the cast (everyone save Akari, Alice & Aika; Maa is too small the be recognized). Full shoot of the entire cast can only be found within the posters books or the art books.--KrebMarkt 07:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's actually a pretty good one. Then we only need one of the central trio (whcih shouldn't be too hard to find in the promotional material) and something from the manga, preferably showing the sweeping art style that reviewers go on about. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree one for the main cast & one for the landscape (that one should be anchored in the reception section along the manga reviews)--KrebMarkt 20:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's exactly where I was thinking of putting it. Yanno, eventually we'll need a DVD cover or something as a graphic for the list of episodes. If it's one with the central trio, we can reuse it on the main article. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aria the Origination DVD 1 can do the job : http://www.ariacompany.net/dvd.html even it's a bit small. --KrebMarkt 22:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done for the cast. Now we just need one for the landscape. --KrebMarkt 07:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done for reception too. --KrebMarkt 10:16, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coo, again. Though. Hmm. I confess, I'm not entirely satisfied with the manga capture because of how much of the landscape is covered over with the figures of Woody and Akari. It'll do for now, but possibly we should look out for a replacement down the line. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The difficulty comes from the number of thing that single picture should express : Landscape beauty, meld between the futurist setting & Neo-venezia & non-obtrusive characters and dialog-box. That restrains the number of possible candidate. One could be the double-pages in the very first Navigation of Aqua around pages 32. Not the very best one (Amano's early work) but it match every criteria.--KrebMarkt 17:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another possibility is one of the panels of Aqua vol.1 page 122, showing details of her city backgrounds and unusual points of view. (Why do we need to include a dialog box?) —Quasirandom (talk) 19:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vol 1 Nav 4 The Kingdom of Cats ? A page with 3 panel one being Akari & Aika w/ gondola in a flooded hangar another is a flooded mine tunnel --KrebMarkt 20:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right, one of those two. (Though I see both of those as parts of a flooded warehouse complex.) Just a thought. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done maybe i didn't downsized the image enough--KrebMarkt 21:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You could also crop some of the white space around the outside. I was initially thinking of just one panel, but yanno, the full page really does a better job of illustrating the qualities of Amano's art that reviewers mention. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another graphic we could justify including: a photo of a Venice location (we should be able to find something in WikiCommons, I bet) and Neo-Venezia's equivalent (either anime or manga). Especially once we beef up the Development section with more on how the fictional city was based on the real one. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in Aria case a visual comparison is better than any prose. I'm still thinking hard how to wrote the time evolution in Aqua/Aria so it will be easy to read & understand.--KrebMarkt 17:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Half Done Need some MoS Editing & Copy Editing for the two images, i put for comparison. --KrebMarkt 12:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way to stack the two pictures in the same frame, with one caption? I can't figure out the coding to do that -- it's be much clearer if they were together to make the comparison. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done ??? Please tweak it right, beware with the size parameter it has to be the same in the 3 boxes. --KrebMarkt 17:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So talking with editor who did the most recent assessment, our next step should be to fill in the development/production section with info on Amano's inspirations and how Sato went about adapting the series. If we do this, we'll be a solid B. Then once we finish cleaning up the sections and filling in the important mechandizing details, I suspect we'll be ready for a peer review from someone who's taken articles to GA, to help us figure out how to manage this imperfectly structured mass of information (as in, what to spin out and how to improve the rest). —Quasirandom (talk) 14:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Amano's Time passing handling will help the development section and more production information are coming from the bonus of each Aria DVD Box.

Manga volumes list out for sure. We have enough resource to make it B at least. I can't help for the official Tokyopop navigation titles as i have the french version.

Soundtracks (Audio CD, Drama CD & Radio CD) had to split for sure we will have enough material & sources to keep it from merge & redirect & afd with 1 reliable reference per CD. Getting B or GA will be way harder as we would need more sources about the Radio CD, sells charts for some the audio CD and additional reliable source for soundtrack reviews.

others books will be kept in the main article.

We have some growth room for the character section with the profile data.

Sales data/ranking for the anime are available on ANN, i will give some real numbers later. Numbers provided from MyAnimeList are good but still lacks the reliability stamp from the WP community so we can't use them for now. (Too bad Aria the Origination made it to the +10K copies per volume anime list)--KrebMarkt 17:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have all the T-pop editions and can enter the official English navigation titles as far as those go, though not the original Japanese titles unless we can find a list online somewhere. Beyond the official titles, the best translations we can find (even the fan translations) are acceptable, as long as we update them to the official ones as they come out. I can work on filling out the manga table with this, once I finish the anime reception (I've more expansion to do there) and the season 1 episode descriptions. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on a blurb for the time in Aqua & Aria, check my user page

A child-list of Aria chapters list is doable. I know where to find titles up the Navigation 37, the cover character(s) in each volume is easily found. What would be a bit tricky is to summarize each volume knowing how episodic is Aqua/Aria.

For the soundtracks, there are quite a lot of works to be done as i mentioned above and i need to clarify the difference between the producer & the publisher thing i didn't not do well. Pb5 produced both video games soundtracks but one was published by Geneon & the other by Mediafactory.--KrebMarkt 10:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've got experience summarizing highly episodic series, but I won't be able to go past about volume 5. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Argh, he muttered to himself in public, my first draft of a summary of Aqua volume 1 is 350 words. Now to figure out how to edit it down. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have my full support --KrebMarkt 20:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be wise to add the Aqua season for each volumes as will have also the refs to put that information.--KrebMarkt 20:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working the time of year into my descriptions as they indicate passage of time between chapters. When done this way, pegged to statements made by characters (Akari), they don't need explicit referencing. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There, a version I managed to cut down to 310 words, which feels long to me, but it's essentially summarizing 5 short stories in two or three sentences each -- and the first one has a lot of introduction going on. Along the way I had to squeeze out the only other time marker in the volume, that Akari arrived in spring (8th month). But this is a prototype of how I intend to handle the other summaries. How's it look? —Quasirandom (talk) 00:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1 Navigation = 1 self contained plot, which makes it very tricky. Time markers are costly words wise, making the words count around 300 harder. You are handling it right.--KrebMarkt 06:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, good job with the Aqua vol 2 but don't get burned out in the task. It can be finished after spin-off. --KrebMarkt 15:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You say that as if rereading the series is a chore.... :-P —Quasirandom (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just my inability to write a easy to read english bother me. I can write in good english but my style is still to rough to be really useful here :( I'm not at ease to be a spectator of your hard work so i will try to write Aria Vol 6 summary.--KrebMarkt 17:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to toss a draft at me in Userspace somewhere, and I can take a stab at editing. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oy. My first draft for volume 6 (finally got the scanlations) is waaaay over the limits. Two plot-heavy stories plus explaining the Galaxy Express references. This one's going to be hard. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There -- that's as far as I can take the manga summaries for now. Next on my plate is to go through a handful of reviews not yet incorporated to see what I can use, by way of expanding the Reception a little more tidily. (We're not namedropping enough of the reviewers, for one thing.) And along the way, saving reviewer descriptions of characters, for use in citing those. Which would be the task after that. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With the soundtracks split off, time for me to get back to this one. While I work on that, though, someone could put in for a peer review of the article with the intent of going for GAN (when did they change the name from GAC?). —Quasirandom (talk) 21:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a note for myself if nothing else, the next thing to do after manga summaries and getting Development up to snuff is a thorough edit of the character descriptions. In addition to a solid copyedit for tone, several statements about personalities need to be (and can be) sourced to third-party reviews. (At least they're reasonable in scope right now, rather than recapitulating their plot roles and endless stats.) —Quasirandom (talk) 14:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, one other thing we need to do: scrub the ANN encyclopedia citations (such as all the voice actor references). —Quasirandom (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ariacompany.net/1st/cast_staff.html

http://www.ariacompany.net/2nd/cast_staff.html

http://www.ariacompany.net/2nd/dvd_ova.html

http://www.ariacompany.net/cast_staff.html

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/aria_natural/episodes/episodes01/index.html

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/aria_natural/episodes/episodes02/index.html

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/aria/episodes/episodes1/index.html

That will do for main cast and airing date . We will have to hunt for support cast refs. I will find absurd to remove a support character just because we want to comply GA & FA MoS and the WP:V argument is meeuuh as fictive support characters exist in the anime. To be a complete evil guy, i would refs each main characters seiyu to each of the 4 officials staff/casts webpages as some whiners will complain that one ref cover only one season or just OVA. --KrebMarkt 21:55, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok got something good for the support cast not sure i got them all but still some improvement:

Albert Pitt, Woody, Akatsuki & Grand-Ma [1] from Famitsu ;)

That looks reliable enough to use. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For development :

• Jun'ichi Satō had to completely redraw the sculling/rowing movement animation for the first episodes of Aria the animation after seeing & filming the real movement during his information gathering trip in Venize. (Found in the Venize, I'm sorry series in the bonus of Aria the Animation DVD box)
• Masatsugu Arakawa, the layout supervisor for Aria the Animation is afraid of heights and had to crawl the spiral tower depicted in Episode 8 to gather materials. (Found in the Venize, I'm sorry part 5 in the bonus of Aria the Animation DVD box)
• During a tour of Venize on gondola, Jun'ichi Satō's gondolier tossed a bottle out the water that inspired the Episode 11 scene where Alicia used her paddle to toss a ball out the water (Found in the Venize, I'm sorry part 6 in the bonus of Aria the Animation DVD box)
• Prior the debut of the production, every Undine seiyu received every volumes of Aqua & Aria instead to receive photocopies of the manga or to be asked to purchase the manga by themselves (Tomoko Kawakami, Athena Glory's seiyu, during the senior Undine interview part 1, found in the bonus of Aria the Animation DVD Box)Edited --KrebMarkt 14:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've copied/reworked most of this into the article -- will need to be filled out and cited (I'm not sure how to do that -- {{cite episode}}?), and beefed up with more as we come across it. —Quasirandom (talk)

Here's another: in the omake afterward to the original Enix edition of Aqua volume 2 (dated January 2002), which was not included in Tokyopop's translation of the Mag Garden reprint, Amano talks about her goal in writing the series. Transcribing from the fan translation of the page, after mentioning her number one wish is for everyone to be happy, she goes on: "For some reason, bad memories remain longer than good ones. You start to think how unlucky you are. It could be that because you neglect to recognize your happiness, you end up focused on your failures. I wrote this Aqua to let you all find that small "happiness" and to make you think. After you've read my work, if there are people who were able to find that "happiness", it would make me the happiest person out there." It's not her inspiration, exactly, but still -- Development gold. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More omake goodness: in the afterward to Aria v1 (which Tokyopop did translate), Amano says that Fushimi Inari-taisha outside Kyoto was her model of the shrine in the Sun Shower chapter, Navigation 04. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I miss the omake of the Aqua volumes they didn't make it in the french edtion :(

Add to the development the omake of Aria vol 2, where Amano wanted Aria's readers to feel the beauty of the different seasons.--KrebMarkt 09:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said -- Development gold here. Most mangaka aren't nearly as up-front about their intentions, if they're even conscious of them. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you were to digest the information about the anime adaptation, especially the research trip to Venice bit, that'd be enough to remove the stub-section tag, getting us up to a solid B article. There's more to learn and add, as further volumes and seasons are released, but we'll have a good start. And more than most B-class articles have. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, we know Amano named Aria and Hime after her two cats (see omake to Aria 3, for example), and I've heard that she brought the series to an end after they died. Do we have a source for that last? —Quasirandom (talk) 01:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aria community have discussed the matter without finding any reliable proof BUT Amano used the omake of Aria Vol 6 for a dedication to Hime and dedication is also present in the cover jacket (with death date). For Hime, i can give you a quote translation of my own (french to english) from Aria vol 6 omake : Even now, by being part of that book, she continue to live as President Hime. Literal translation.

The same goes with Aria in Aria Vol 11, again dedication on cover jacket & in the omake. No translation (i don't read japanese) but Amano dreamed of Aria chasing after Hime in the omake.

It can be used as source of inspiration for the fictive President Aria & Hime but you should point to Mag Garden release for the reference tag as i don't how much of the jacket made it in the Tokyopop version nor the presence or not of the character profile or the 4-panels manga strip in every volume.--KrebMarkt 05:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A must have in the development is that in Arietta OVA, Alicia should have stated why she recruited Akari in the draft version of the scenario but it didn't make it in the final form. Junuchi Saito said something like that in the bonus interview of Arietta. Some fans were upset as it is one unanswered question in both manga & anime. We just have to wait for the Nozomi Arietta release to have a WP:RS--KrebMarkt 05:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alicia did not choose Akari for Aria heiress, Caith Sith did. Akari is a reincarnation of the 150 years before lady teacher from ep12 "Avvenire" and Caith Sith is actually her cat Pete. That's why Alicia refused to tell Akari. Aria world is very much "shigi". 82.131.210.162 (talk) 20:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aria vol 7 omake, French edition, Amano describe how she reacted when she was informed that Aqua/Aria would be adapted in anime :
- At first she thought it was an impossible case (in French affaire impossible)
- she was swayed by the fact that it would a tv broadcast and not an OVA.
- Even more when learned that Junuchi Saito, she likes so much would direct the anime adaptation.
- But Amamo still believed that stories like that won't happen or it won't reach fruition (in French aboutir).
- Later she regretted her lack of enthusiasm
- She was very happy to receive during a month projects, scripts & drawings (from the anime studio). She savored every second of that period
- When she meet Saito, she understood that he wanted to give a deeper meaning to the anime.
Comment: crazy omake where Amano crammed so many information in 2 pages. --KrebMarkt 19:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is it as crammed as the vol 4 omake at the drama CD recording session? —Quasirandom (talk) 20:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, i think the drama CD is the most crammed & the hardest to compress.

Aria vol 5 Omake is also crammed with information but it's also very fun. How Amano received an offer to make President-Aria plush toy and how she received 25 no less of those. Quote from Amano I will do it even if must die (initial sketches of the plush while she was very busy) to the person who made her the offer.--KrebMarkt 20:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aria sales :

Near missed that one :
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-08-29/mag-garden-releases-aria%27s-3rd-season%27s-title-artwork
The side relevant information was that Aria by the date of that news sold over 3 millions copies. Good for the reception part
--KrebMarkt 10:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)--KrebMarkt 09:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm questioning the use of the sales results posted by a news moderator of MyAnimeList as usual the reliability issue is in question.
However i think we may use them with one Japanese source that this moderator use but once again comes the reliability issue of that source.
Ref 1 : http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=17448 (Recent Anime DVD sales volume by volume, dtshyk, news moderator, MyAnimeList)
Ref 2 : http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/music/3914/1168328827/ (JBBS Anime DVD Sales Data Storage Thread, in Japanese)
Ref 3 : http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/music/3914/1071968547/206-
He also use the Oricon YouTaiju Service as source but that one need an account to access the data.
--KrebMarkt 09:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Edited --KrebMarkt 11:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

here some ranks from ANN :

Aria the Origination Vol 7 : 10 104 copies first week, Rank 11 (All DVD)

ref : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-10-30/japanese-animation-dvd-ranking-october-21-28

Aria the Origination Vol 6 : 10 709 copies first week, Rank 8 (All DVD)

Ref : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-10-16/japanese-animation-dvd-ranking-september-24-october-14

Aria the Origination Vol 5 : Rank 2 (Anime DVD only)

ref :http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-08-28/japanese-animation-dvd-ranking-august-21-27

Aria tha Origination Vol 4 : Rank 5 (Anime DVD only)

ref : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-08-02/japanese-animation-dvd-ranking-july-24-30

Aria tha Origination Vol 4 : Rank 8 (Anime DVD only)

Ref : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-06-01/japanese-animation-dvd-ranking-may-21-27

Aria tha Origination Vol 3 : Rank 3 (Anime DVD only)

Ref : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-14/japanese-animation-dvd-ranking-june-26-july-2

Aria tha Origination Vol 1 : Rank 7 (Anime DVD only)

ref : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-05-07/japanese-animation-dvd-ranking-april-30-may-6

Oricon changed the ranking system from anime DVD only ranking to global DVD ranking. --KrebMarkt 11:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In addition i suggest to integrate the informations from  : http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-07-05/production-i.g-announces-mag-garden-merger

in the first paragraph paragraph of the reception section replacing the reference currently used.

3 millions of Aria manga out of the 26 millions of Mag Garden, more than 11%, one book out of ten.=> Strong license ?

key point : 300 000 DVD sold (Aria The Animation + The Natural) as July 2007

My eyes are blurry now after browsing so many news--KrebMarkt 11:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can see why they're blurry. Good job. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Research japanese reviews is crazy nuts especially when your japanese level is 0.

However i'm trying to go around. Here have fun with the amazon.jp sales ranking of the Undine Monthly 4-6

http://w6.oroti.com/~amaran/rank/?date=08022004&cat=book

http://w6.oroti.com/~amaran/rank/?date=08022200&cat=book

Notice the Yotsuba&! good ranking too.

I got to those pages from here : http://anime.webnt.jp/blog/yamada/2008/02/aria_the_origination_1.html --KrebMarkt 22:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A place to collect additional reviews of the manga (since we have a separate section of for anime reviews), until such time as someone can digest them into the article:

• About.com: Aqua v1 | Aqua v2
  
• Anime Boredom (now Homemademech): Aria v1 | Aria v2 (Used 2 times) | Aria v3

Comment: While it's unclear if that website is RS the reviewer David Rasmussen qualifies as an expert with reviews on manga life see David Rasmussen's contribs for Manga Life

I have to admit, I kinda have my doubts about this one. Should we take it to the Project for other opinions? —Quasirandom (talk) 14:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had doubts too so i made my own inquiry. The website isn't RS lacking any evidence but the reviewer is another question altogether knowing he wrote for a RS website and not only once. To be true i'm not uber fan of those refs as they are that reviewer earlier works (2004-2005) while his contributions for Manga life are around 2007-2008 so i won't complain if those are not used in the reception part. At least we could have said we assessed thoroughly the source. --KrebMarkt 17:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both uses of this source, there's at least one other reference also supporting the statement, so it's not like it's crucial. Especially given all these others we still haven't incorporated. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just have received the Comics Journal issue #269 on Shojo manga and guess what: Aria is covered as Shojo. So we might lost a source but we also get one very RS in comics field --KrebMarkt 18:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ANN: Aria v1 (Used 3 times) | Aria v5 | Aqua v1
• The Comics reporter: Aqua short take
• Comics Village: Aqua 1
• Comics Worth Reading: Aria 1 | Aria 2 | Best Manga 2008 | Aria 4 (Used 1 time) | Aria 5
• Erica Friedman: Aqua 1-2 | Aria 1-2-3 (Used 3 times) | Aria 4-5-6 | Aria 7 | Aria 10 | Aria 9 | Aqua 1 Tokyopop | Aria 11
  • URLs edited May 5, 2015 hoping for redirects: Aqua 1-2 | Aria 1-2-3 (Used 3 times) | Aria 4-5-6 | Aria 7 | Aria 10 | Aria 9 | Aqua 1 Tokyopop | Aria 11 – Allen4names (contributions) 03:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Six out of eight. 1, 2 (404) Yuri Manga: Aria, Volumes 1,2 and 3 (English)?, 3 (404) Aria Manga, Volumes 4, 5 & 6?, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. – Allen4names (contributions) 03:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• IGN UK: Aqua v1 (Used 2 times) | Aria v1
• Madinkbeard: Aria 1-3 ADV (Used 1 time)
• Mania: Aqua v1 | Aria v1 (Used 1 time) | Aria v2 (Used 2 times) | Aria v3 | Aria V1 Tokyopop | Aria v1 Tokyopop one more
• Manga Life: Aria v1 (Used 1 time) | Aria v2
• PopCultureShock: Aria v1 full review | Aria v1 short review
• Sequential Tart:Aria v5
• Uknighted Manganime: Aria manga (Used 1 time)
  • Is it RS? --KrebMarkt 10:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's marginal. As a manga/anime review website, it never took off the way, say, AnimeOnDVD/Mania did. We may want to have the Project weigh in. Fortunately, others have been making the comparison (it was the first reference for that statement). —Quasirandom (talk) 14:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Bd Gest (French): Aqua v1 (used 1 time) | Aria v1
• Manga sanctuary (French): Aqua 1-2 | Aria 2-3-4-5
• Manga news (French): Aria V1 | Aria V2 | Aria V3 | Aria V4 | Aria V5 | Aria V6
• Planetebd (French): Aria V1 | Aria V2 | Aria V6

As usual, everyone feel free to add more. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that one but didn't put it on board because it didn't have the WP:RS fell. I will had more when opportunities appear.

For the manga remaining navigation titles leave it as it is now. Titles will comes eventually --KrebMarkt 09:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We should be done with nihongo titles got the titles from here : http://polynik.tistory.com/97 KrebMarkt 15:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PopCultureShock counts as mostly reliable, as best I can tell. They're a step up from being just a group blog -- about the same as T.H.E.M. Anime Reviews. Good job on the kanji titles -- now all we need is somone to transcribe to romanji (though that's not essential at first). And, as you say, English translations to come out. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, here we go: a Mania review of Aqua v1 notes Tokyopop's translation differences with Aika's catchphrase, and the disappointment. (The reviewer also notes that Aqua and Aria aren't prequel and sequel, but a continuation under a different title, but the wording makes me suspect she got that from here.) —Quasirandom (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment We should stroke the used reviews Adding number of times each refs is used seems better.

Posssibly once I've finished my rereview of what we're using and how: my workspace is here. And I see you've collected some I hadn't found -- whee! I'll see what I can do about making this my priority (as opposed to dinking about with cleanup projects) but I'm kinda under deadlines in that real life thing and may not finish this week. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Real life first ;)

By the way have you read about the Aria v4 out of print incident ? Here KrebMarkt 20:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would explain why Amazon hasn't shipped my copy yet. We should update the pub date in our list, using that as the source. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ADV edition owners caught-up with the TP release that explained the sudden out-off-print of vol 4. KrebMarkt 06:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Not exactly sure if you can add this into the article, but Aria came in 4th in the 2007 reader's poll for best new shojo series on About.com.[2] Kaguya-chan (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :)

Ping Quasirandom. With now 3 mentions of the series as Shōjo manga do you think this warrant a mention somewhere in the article? --KrebMarkt 21:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks indeed. And yeah, I think it should be called out, possibly at the top of the English manga reception, that several reviewers identified the series as shoujo. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Updated --KrebMarkt 18:50, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Graphiquement, l’auteur a clairement voulu souligner cette ambiance lente et paisible. Autour de personnages séduisants et bien campés, les décors sont aussi éthérés que détaillés. L’eau envahit jusqu’aux maisons, laissant apercevoir en son fond d’anciennes barques envahies par les algues et la faune locale. Aucune faute de goût, donc, pour un volume décidemment plaisant…

Qu’il est agréable de se poser parfois, une boisson fraîche à la main, et de déguster un manga paisible et bucolique. Ici, pas de méchant, pas de combats, même les actions évoluent au rythme de la ville : flottantes et imprécises. Et c’est bien là toute la justesse de ce titre, dont l’aspect très vie de tous les jours peut dérouter autant que séduire. À classer quelque part entre Yotsuba & et Yokohama Kaidashi Kikô.

With the artwork, the author wanted to highlight the slow and peaceful ambiance. Around the well-built and appealing characters, the backgrounds are both ethereal and detailed. Inside flooded houses, we see sunken boats invaded by algae and local fauna. This is no fault of taste, as the volume is decidedly pleasant...

How pleasant it is sometimes to take a break, a fresh drink in hand, and taste a peaceful and bucolic manga. Here, there is no meanness, no combats, just stories evolving with the rhythm of the city: floating and timeless. And here is the full accuracy of this title, which the daily life aspect can set one aback as much as seduce. To be classed as somewhere between Yotsuba&! and Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō.

Et au final, ces historiettes à fleur d’eau, juchées sur des gondoles, confinent à une simplicité et une pureté si totale que le lecteur en sort soit profondément ennuyé, soit résolument charmé.

Totalement hors du commun, Aria creuse son propre style, lent, bucolique et apaisant, et laisse la frénésie à ses concurrents. À découvrir, en se munissant évidemment des deux volumes de Aqua.

In the end, these stories, riding on gondolas just above the water, border on a simplicity and purity so absolute that the reader ends up either deeply bored or resolutely charmed.

Totally out of the common way, Aria follows its own style, slow, bucolic, and peaceful, leaving frenzy to other works. Worth noticing, along with, of course, the two volumes of Aqua.

on entre sans difficulté dans cette merveille que nous apporte Kozure Amano. La série est résolument positive et drôle. Magnifiquement illustrée pour un chef d’œuvre de simplicité. Que du bonheur à lire et à faire partager.

We enter without difficulty into that wonder brought to us by Kozue Amano. The series is resolutely positive and funny. Magnificently illustrated for a masterpiece of simplicity. A happiness to be read and shared.

Aqua est le genre de manga qui attire rien qu'en voyant la couverture.

Aqua n'a d'intérêt que par ses dessins vraiment magnifiques il faut le reconnaître.

Aqua étant présenté comme une introduction à Aria, espérons que cette dernière saura captiver l'attention des lecteurs avec un peu de mouvement côté histoire.

Je pense que certains pourront y trouver leur compte s'ils ont juste envie de passer le temps de manière agréable et reposante sans même espérer un vrai scénario.

Pour les autres, je pense que cette série ne leur apportera pas grand chose...mis à part des dessins à contempler sans retenue.

Aqua is the kind of manga to catch your attention just seeing its cover.

It should be acknowledged that Aqua is interesting only by its really magnificent art.

Aqua is presented as an introduction to Aria, and we hope that in the latter [Kozue Amano] will know to captivate the reader's attention with more action, story-wise.

I think that some will find it worthwhile, if they just want to spend some time in a pleasant and refreshing way without hoping for a real story.

For others, I think that this series won't give them much ... aside from art one can contemplate without restraint.

Ne vous attendez pas à tomber sur un scenario de science-fiction profond, car il n'en est rien. L'histoire, très simple et secondaire, est surtout un prétexte pour montrer l'évolution et les aventures d'une jeune demoiselle attachante, dans une ville bordée de toutes parts par les eaux, de son univers mystérieux, de ses ruelles, ses canaux, ses traditions... tout est fait pour que le lecteur s'évade dans ce monde calme, magnifique et poétique. Et les somptueux dessins de Kozue Amano remplissent parfaitement leur rôle.

Aqua ne brille pas par son scénario, loin de là , il s'agit avant tout d'une oeuvre fraiche, légère et poétique qui invite au rêve. Une oeuvre atypique à laquelle tout le monde n'accrochera pas, mais qui est à mon avis à essayer.

Aqua est la prequel d'Aria, mais est un oeuvre qui peut se suffire à elle-même. Alors, pour seulement 2 tomes, laissez-vous tenter par le voyage sur Neo-Venezia que vous propose ce manga atypique. Et si ça vous plait, vous pourrez faire durer le plaisir avec Aria. En ce qui me concerne, je suis conquis.

Don't hold your breath hoping to sink into a deep science fiction scenario, as this isn't one. The story is very simple and secondary, essentially a pretext to show the development and adventures of a young woman in a city surrounded by water, its mysterious world, its streets, its canals, its traditions... Everything is done to help the reader escape to this calm, majestic, and poetic word. And the sumptuous drawings of Kozue Amano perfectly fulfill this role.

Aqua doesn't shine by its premise -- far from that -- but above all it's a fresh, light, and poetic work which invites one to dream. An atypical work which will not hook everyone, but in my opinion should be tried.

Aqua is the prequel of Aria, but this work can be read alone. With only two volumes, it lets you be tempted by the voyage to Neo-Venezia, which is the goal of this atypical work -- and if you enjoy it, you can make the pleasure last with Aria. Personally, I'm sold.

Comment: There are more reviews and coverage available like the dossier on Aria on Manga News.com but we have time :p --KrebMarkt 18:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First a Mea Culpa. I hadn't noticed that people wanted me to discuss before changing the page. My bad.

Now on to the salient points:

Akari writes in her penultimate letter in volume 12 of the manga (of which I have only read the Chinese version):

"One day, yes, one day, I believe I will meet the you I have never seen before."

And granted Cait Sith is reading these words on his laptop at the time, but surely Akari isn't referring to him? I mean, she's met him tons of times before.

She goes on to write:

"If you do come to Aqua, to Neo Venecia, please do travel on the gondola where I am now a Prima." And then she ends with the date and her signature.

And directly below this, there are various pictures of random people reading holo-webpages from their laptop, as if they are reading what she wrote.

So thats why I changed the page from Cait Sith to readers of her blog. I mean Cait Sith is one of the readers of her blog, but he isn't the only recipient of her messages.

So thats my reason for wanting to write readers of her blog, why do people want to keep it as Cait Sith? (I mean, whats his e-mail address? CaitSith@neverneverland.com? ;) ) --Prototype00 (talk) 22:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First, apologies for being snippy in the edit summary, but there's been minor reversion ... not wars, but skirmishes over this, and pending evidence, I've been trying to keep the article stable.

Second, this just goes to show how big the problem of interpretation is. I've read on forums people insist on the Cait Sith interpretation. I myself haven't seen the pages or as detailed a summary as yours. Even with that, it sounds ambiguous. So I propose a compromise: until such time as a critic/reviewer/other reliable source (which could, indeed, include the author's decree) says otherwise, how about we simply say that who she's writing to is not revealed? —Quasirandom (talk) 20:28, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should left it unresolved as one page we have Akari writing her letter, the next Caith Sith reading its laptop computer and the fellowing one various persons reading their computer, laptop and smartphone. That's too ambiguous for one satisfactory answer but the fans community collective imagination tagged Caith Sith as the destination of those letters.

I just also noticed that her last mail is dated Day 20, Month 16, 0076 martian years. --KrebMarkt 22:07, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quasiradom, I can live with the unrevealed compromise. Kozue sensei will have to enlighten us at a later date, I suppose.--Prototype00 (talk) 01:55, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done -- I went with "is never made explicit", as that implies something ambiguous. Assuming that works for everyone. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good job, thumb up. I also think it was sly how was introduced the 1 volume = 1 seasons idea in the manga section.--KrebMarkt 07:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO, the current phrasing is a bit clumsy - I think "is never explicitly revealed" sounds better. Thoughts? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 03:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to avoid "reveal," but yeah, that's better than what I came up with. (My issue with revealed is, as this debate shows, many people do see a reveal.) —Quasirandom (talk) 14:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's what the "explicitly" is for. ;) If someone protests, "but it was revealed", all we have to do is ask them to point to a specific mention in the manga (or a reliable source from the author) for us. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 21:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Circling back to this, given that she writing to Cait Sith was added Yet Again, based on the Japanese volume 12, I can confirm the above description, which takes place on pp.163-165. My translation from Japanese of what was translated from Chinese above: "Someday ... one of these days, | I believe that I will meet you, whom I have not met" where the part after the | is on a page showing Cait Sith looking at a laptop like Akari's. On the next page, showing scenes leaving Aqua and closing in on Earth, it continues, "When you come to Aqua, if it is warm, I have become a Prima so please come on board, okay?" ending with scenes of various people on Earth reading holoscreens. (Sorry for the translation-ese there -- I'm still a beginner at this.) I can see no way of reading this as that Cait Sith is her audience; the strong implication is that she's posting publicly (to a blog/forum/email list); she calls what she's doing "email" -- I don't know if that idiomatically extends to writing a blog post. (Incidentally, Prima is written with the kanji 一人前 meaning "becoming an adult" or "coming of age," with furigana for "purima".) —Quasirandom (talk) 04:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Completely oblivious of Japanese but i think that part is related to Akari easiness to make friends regardless what they are and where they are from. --KrebMarkt 09:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Circling back to this, with the last chapter finally scanlated in English with a translation that omits the part that Akari calls her penpal someone she's never seen before, expect increased attempts to add to the article that her penpal is Cait Sith. Watchful eyes. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed it, along of your last volume summary in the chapters list. When we have much more more more time, we should start a peer review and get a FL or two for the Aria lists article. --KrebMarkt 22:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ja. Next month, after I get back from vacation, I should have more time. I'm in too much scrambling to get ready for it now. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where :
onsen.ag : Radio CDs on onsen.ag store
Tricky but they are on the past show category of the store.
Animate : Archive from Way back machine
no more aria on Animate so i had to use the Way back machine :(

Who :
It's on the CDs description : Radio CD Tricolore Cour. 2
Got the main cast here and compiling the description of each CD can give the exhaustive list of the support cast but it's pointless.

When :
Not answered, not that i don't have broadcast dates but using the It's inside the CDs booklet as argument is kinda WP:AD even it it's true.

Content :
Each release contains one CD-Rom with the show on Mp3 format and audio CD as bonus material (interview, drama, etc....). I thought the reverse at first, my mistake.
That is on the CDs description and on the back-cover of each CDs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KrebMarkt (talk • contribs) 11:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good job! I agree with not needing a complete cast list. I do wonder whether we can manage a sort of general statement about when they were initially broadcast, even if we don't explicitly source them. (Implicit sourcing is, after all, allowed for non-controversial introductory material.) But there's ways to source to the booklet/CD itself. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another batch of development information :)
1. Interview with Director Junichi Saito :

The Meaning Behind the Title

(0:46) The previous season (Aria the Animation) was an animation, so...

(0:56) Well, I wanted things to progress naturally, so that's kind of reason why.

(1:20) so i wanted to do things in a more relaxed, natural manner.

S1 was an animation so that explain the title. In S1 he struggled in certain parts as he had just one season and a lot of manga material so for S2 he wanted to do it in a more relaxed and natural manner.

change plot wise :

(3:50) in the previous series, the story revolved around the character of Akari.

(4:05) I'd like to incorporate some of those stories about the other characters

S1 focus on Akari, S2 more room for other characters.

Theme ? :

(5:07) there's little to no malice on the planet Aqua, and in the city of Neo-Venezia

(5:36) the city is full of goodwill is what's so appealing

Is that a theme ? I can't follow Saito here.

Interviewer pun

(interviewer, 6:04)So then, you light a small flame inside your heart... Like a lamplight (akari)

(saito, 6:06)Oh, you are good!

Was it worth mention in Akari character description ?

Cait Sith

(7:24) It'd be great if the viewers could think about the meaning behind Cait Sith as they watch the series

(7:32) I think my interpretation is a little different from the original manga's interpretation

Could be used either in production/development or on Cait Sith character description.

Final note :

(9:05) so if the viewers enjoy the show on a lighthearted note, go to sleep peacefully, and wake up to discover a new day, it'll make me really happy

That for Saito objective.

2. Interview with Yui Makino :

(1:42) the song (Undine) tempo is very slow, and Aria's theme is water, so i was asked to sing it slowly, like flowing water.

(2:51) The word "Euforia" means "a sense of elation" in italian. That's why they kept reiterating "sound happy, sound happy, sound happy."

Could be useful in development or in the soundtrack part.

3. Aria and the world of sound :

coming soon KrebMarkt 14:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interview castYasuno Satô, Sound Designer ; Junichi Sato, Director ; Shigeharu Sasago from Choro Club, in charge of music ; Takeshi Senoo, in charge of music ; Eric Kawai, lyrics of Op songs + insert songs.

Cast presentation

(Yasuno Sato, 0:03):I'm Yasuno Sato, the Sound Designer for Aria.

(Shigeharu Sasago, 0:14):I'm Shigeharu Sasago from Choro Club. I was in charge of the music.

(Takeshi Senoo, 0:18):I'm Takeshi Senoo, the Senoo, the "Choro Club featuring Senoo." I was also in charge of the music.

(Eric Kawai, 0:29):I wrote the lyrics of the opening theme songs and sang the insert songs. I'm Eri Kawai.

Music selection of Aria

(Yasuno Sato, 1:22):I had thirty songs composed for "The Animation". For "The Natural" How many songs were there?[...]They composed fifteen songs, so they've composed forty-five songs in total.

(Yasuno Sato, 1:39):My job is to select a song that best matches the scene, and pair it. I edit song's length to match the animation, and decide where to bring the apex of the song. Editing and matching the song to the animation.

(Junichi Sato, 2:05):Depending on the song that it's paired with, the animation will become longer or shorter. If length doesn't match, we change it, depending of the song.

(Shigeharu Sasago, 3:04):It was very abstract. For example she'd say, "Make the blue sky into a song." She gave us a lot of abstract themes to work with.

(Takeshi Senoo, 3:43):They'd say, "Make the mountains and oceans into songs."

(Yasuno Sato, 4:13):The Aria composers weren't used to working like that, so they were really confused.

Theme Songs

(Junichi Sato, 5,23):The lyrics to the songs Kawai sings are all giberish (Barcarolle & Coccolo)

(Junichi Sato, 5,30):In the beginning, we were planning the theme songs to have gibberish lyrics too, remember?

(Eric Kawai, 5:39):Yes. I read the original manga and wrote the lyrics, using my image of Neo-Venezia as a starting point. Then did my best to match words that flowed with the melody. that's about it.

(Eric Kawai, 5:59):The words "Barcarolle" and "Coccolo" are real, but i had complete creative freedom with the rest.

(Eric Kawai, 6:08):Yes. I chose the lyrics based on their sounds.

(Eric Kawai, 6:24):Initially i was told it (Undine) would have gibberish lyrics as well, so. There's actually a gibberish version that never saw the light of the day.

(Eric Kawai, 6:32):After discussion, they decided the song should have Japanese lyrics.

(Eric Kawai, 7:44): About ep11 That day, i was crying my eyes out.

(Eric Kawai, 8:02): I couldn't believe it when i saw Athena singing my incoherent lyrics. Even her lips were synched up.

How the Songs Were used

(Junichi Sato, 8:58):Yes. In sequences like that, you usually create the animation while matching it to the song. I think there was a bit of editing involved in those scenes, though?

(Junichi Sato, 9:08):Generally, you can tell how long the sequence will be from the storyboards. For example, if the songs ends up being really long, we request a shorter version ahead of time. Using that shorter version, we begin editing the sequence. We'll edit it so that Akari begins to run when something happens. Or when the melody change, we'll cut to a scene of the three girls sitting in the front of the fireplace.

(Junichi Sato, 9:33):When we're editing the entire sequence, we're already matching it with the song.

(Junichi Sato, 9:40):Another sequence like that is the gondola episode. When we're using a song, we try to match the animation to the songs as much as possible. By doing so, it makes a huge difference in the final version. If you create a sequence and just have the song playing in the background, the precision isn't here.

(Junichi Sato, 10:50):About Choro Clud feat. Senoo cameos appearance Yes, it was episode 36. So, episode 23 in "The Natural" series.

(Takeshi Senoo, 13:03): About Ed theme song "Smile Again." The song is about the end of summer.

(Takeshi Senoo, 13:26):About it being sing by Akari She's not just any singer. She performed it as the voice actress from the anime. I envisioned the song being sung by the character in the picture.

Zuntaka Pokoten

(Shigeharu Sasago, 14:16):Sawada is an "ad-lib" kind of guy, so this song was perfect for him.

(Yasuno Sato, 14:55):Sasago was the everyday go-to person because he was also composing the main theme songs.

(Yasuno Sato, 15:07):Senoo was sort of the go-to person for heartfelt songs.

Message for the Fans

(Junichi Sato, 15:42):Even before the music was created, i really felt the soundtrack could make or break this series.

(Junichi Sato, 15:53):The scenes look and feel Aria because the music compliments the picture.

(Junichi Sato, 16:14):I believe the true kindness of Aria comes through because of the music

Sweet -- just about all of that is useful somehow. Will think about how to incorporate it later today. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And I see what Satō means about his interpretation of Cait Sith being different from the manga. The suggestion that he is the spiritual guardian of Aqua, or "Aqua's heart", is from the anime version of the Night on the Galactic Railroad episode -- it comes up in two conversations with Alicia, plus a half-asked question of Akari to him directly, none of which is in the manga source. We're going to have to be careful in that character description to distinguish between the two versions of Cait Sith, with Satō's backing for doing so. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Some information are great for development especially the long part of how Saito match animation and music or the statement about the importance of the soundtracks for the anime. Other would be useful in a spin-out soundtrack article. --KrebMarkt 23:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is indeed excellent material for the soundtracks, for either in the main article or a soundtrack spinoff. (Good to finally get confirmation that the songs are nonsense -- a lot of people seem to think they're Esperanto.) —Quasirandom (talk) 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help to Copy Check the development part as i fear to overdoing it putting too many references and quotes. I don't want to fall on COPYVIO because i quoted to much of the bonus ;) --KrebMarkt 21:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re-viewed the The part 1 Extra DVD to clear the stuff and added timing for each quotes so anyone having the Bonus DVD can assert the verifiability of those quotes. --KrebMarkt 09:21, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Himeya Roundtable Discussion:

(Kaori Mizuhashi, 0:11): I'm Kaori Mizuhashi, the voice of President Hime.

(Kaori Mizuhashi, 3:39): I'm usually Ai the human

Orange Planet Roundtable Discussion:

(Akeno Watanabe, 0:11):I'm Akeno Watanabe the voice of President Maa.

(Akeno Watanabe, 2:27):I'm being interviewed right now as President Maa, but my main part is Al, actually.

I need help for Akira character description
That sentence : She has many admirers among her customers, especially her female ones—which she admits bothers her, as she considers herself very feminine.
A lot of female admirers is Ok (Season 2 Ep 8) but the bother her and the very feminine is ??? to me. KrebMarkt 19:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen this mentioned elsewhere -- possibly in one of Erica Friedman's reviews? -- and suspect it comes from one of the later volumes of the manga. (I think you meant to cite Season 1 ep 7, though -- see also Aria manga chapter 24.) I've been mentally marking it as something to be filled in later. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That one is as bad as Alicia being a heavy drinker which was removed as trivial, non-plot essential. S2 Ep8 is the fiesta del bocolo, Woody delivering heaps of roses to Akira. I will look into Erica Friedman's reviews. KrebMarkt 20:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I was thinking of the episode where Akira trains the younger ones, and the guy reads in his guidebook about her popularity. Agree about removing that heavy-drinking bit -- not really true and not noted by reviews. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Episode 15 of Navigation, Akira calls herself "all woman" (and says she always was, even though Akatsuki took her for a boy when they were kids -- not surprising as she referred to herself as ore). No mention of the admiration of females bothering her, tho'. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did my 2bd citations & references runs for the characters please Copy Edit as necessary.

I removed for Akira That bother her and to tag along with Alicia part. Some refs were more convenient from the anime rather than the manga like Akira having a lot of female admirers. The cats parts is tricky i did my best but the Caith Sith part is so-so as i simply don't how to handle it. --KrebMarkt 21:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cait Sith is a problem. We may have to wait for more reviews to touch on him, which will likely require at least Natural part 2 to come out, as that's when he really starts appearing, in the anime. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I'm wondering whether the Alicia-as-heavy-drinker comment was an extrapolation from a comment in chapter 40, where Akira complains (in small type) about Alicia's holding her alcohol better than her. If so, that would make it WP:NOR and so rightfully removed. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There were a lot of innuendo about Alicia being an heavy drinker. The most obvious is the 4-panels manga bonus presents in the Vol 2 of Aria depicting Akari calling Alicia in vain while Alicia is sitting close to a bar, drink at hand. It ends with Akari thinking But, she is Drunk ? see [links redacted]. There are also the onsen and the blackout chapters, each time alluding that Alicia knows Alcohol. --KrebMarkt 16:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. While omake material is dubious canon, I can see where the impression comes from. I still think we were right to remove it. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, we don't have a clear evidence and more important that she is a heavy drinker doesn't affect the plot at all so it ends as burdensome trivia. Removal was best action. --KrebMarkt 17:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So at the moment, we use the officially unreliable encyclopedia portion of ANN in two ways:

• For the basic information about the four-part anime series.

• For citing cast credits.

I'm assuming we can find a way to replace the first with references to the AriaCompany website (possibly cannibalizing those on the list of episodes), or possibly to reviews. That last is going to be tricky to find replacement English references -- at least for later in the series, until we get the official releases. At least the English DVDs do include main cast for each episode. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy paste of links used and usable for cast & staff

http://www.ariacompany.net/1st/cast_staff.html

http://www.ariacompany.net/2nd/cast_staff.html

http://www.ariacompany.net/2nd/dvd_ova.html

http://www.ariacompany.net/cast_staff.html

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/aria_natural/episodes/episodes01/index.html

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/aria_natural/episodes/episodes02/index.html

http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/contents/aria/episodes/episodes1/index.html

http://www.famitsu.com/anime/news/2007/07/06/681,1183711225,74717,0,0.html

There are also the Extra from the Aria the Natural part 2 box.

President Aria, Chinami Nishimura (Aria Company roundtable discussion, Aria the Natural part 2, Extra DVD)

President Hime, Kaori Mizuhashi (Himeya roundtable discussion, Aria the Natural part 2, Extra DVD)

President Maa, Akeno Watanabe (Orange Planet roundtable discussion, Aria the Natural part 2, Extra DVD)

More argument for Yoshiko Matsuo as Grand-ma,

Junichi Saito: "I've already people badger me about no doing a particular scene with Grandma. Matsuo has already mentioned that she really wants to do the story too." (Director discussion on Aria the Natural, 31:53, Aria the Natural part 2, Extra DVD)

I hope that help ;) There are also additional materials for characters development among the extra. I will do a full quotes hunting the upcoming week-end. --KrebMarkt 18:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.sigma7.co.jp/profile/w_31.html (For GrandMa)

All recurrent support cast appear in the Aria the Natural part 2, EP 25, Credits (Time 22:54)

I will look a bit more for Postman-san --KrebMarkt 11:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<Outdent> The point on the Seiyu :

Main Cast Done

The Cats Done

Ai Done

Grand-Ma Done

Akatsuki Done

Al Done

Udo Added ref from S2 Ep 25 Credits

Postman Added ref from S2 Ep 25 Credits

Anna ref needed

Ayumi ref needed

Anzu ref needed

Atora ref needed

--KrebMarkt 09:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found something for Anzu

http://yaplog.jp/asumibiyori/archive/5

The bad is it seems that she didn't explicitly say that doubled Anzu but at least she did one the 3 singles in Ep4 which with one more ref will nail it down. --KrebMarkt 09:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Review by ANN of the Eri Kawai tribute album, more than half of which is Aria songs, including some of the concert performances. (You can have a compendium of one, right?) —Quasirandom (talk) 16:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cough ....

That was the album i was hesitant to had to the discography part (article naming & scope issue). Still i have it covered in my separate article draft : Himawari.

There is also a Japanese review of Himawari in the Anime portail of Excite (Ex_Anime) : Himawari Japanese review

--KrebMarkt 17:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My thinking is, whether or not we add it to the discography, we can use it for reception of the music. If that isn't too illogical. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will mix something like Aria related discography as any real Aria discography can't be complete without that one.

• 14 Aria anime tracks out of 16.
• 4 Aria Concert live tracks (Only album/single to include some)
• Cover by Amano Kozue herself (The only non-Aria franchise album/single to have a such cover)
• Messages of homages from Amano, Choro Club, etc... inside the booklet

For all those reasons i will bent naming until its fits to have it included in the spin-out article. KrebMarkt 17:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a soundtrack album or a tie-in, but "Aria related"? —Quasirandom (talk) 18:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would boldly call it Aria related discography stuffing everything in it. Discography permits Tribute album and it's in this case the tribute is from the whole whole Aria soundtrack crew and Amano Kozue to Eri Kawai. I hope, i have been clear on the way, i want to present it.

In some aspect EP & ED singles for anime are not marked to belong to this or that anime. They just post a news that a performer is releasing a single containing the OP or the ED of an anime. The titles and the singles packaging rarely reflect any affiliation to an anime. --KrebMarkt 18:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Italian TV is airing the Aria anime DUBBED since June 2009. That is awesome! (Embarrassing comments are not allowed under Italian law!) 91.82.39.6 (talk) 21:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sweetness. Which seasons will be aired, do you know? and who licensed it, and on what channel(s)? —Quasirandom (talk) 22:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any links to a good source please? huuu.... Licensed in Italy by Yamato Video. There is an ongoing DVDs rip of that version on torrents now why can't i find the DVDs on Yamato Video website? S1 being released on DVD and S1-S3 were aired or still being aired (S3)?

Help! need good source please?

Good choice of subject name --KrebMarkt 22:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Raisat smash girl. [3] [4] Really funny it was broadcasted on satellite channel targeting teenagers girls. --KrebMarkt 06:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One more [5]. Ok with more reflexion, i think that it licensed it and aired it on a sat channel but it isn't yet out on DVDs. What is available in torrents is a the Japanese DVDs + Italian audio from the Rai broadcast mixed together.

So a fandub created using an official soundtrack? Heh. That makes (unfortunate) sense. And I'm amused that Aria is being broadcast on, essentially, a shoujo channel. This link should do for the sourcing. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where to put it Rai 4 Archive Translucent Archive --KrebMarkt 14:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly in the list of episodes. Isn't there an infobox parameter for licensed broadcasts? —Quasirandom (talk) 20:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As far as i understand the Italian licensor is Yamato Video and Rai 4 paid them to broadcast the Italian dubbed version. --KrebMarkt 20:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Need a RS to prove that is what broadcasted in QTV 11. --KrebMarkt 09:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to That forum discussion at would start broadcast on January 6 2010 at 6pm. Now all we need is a RS to confirm the information. --KrebMarkt 12:00, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok if you didn't notice yet there is currently a conflict on the Philippine broadcast of Aria between me (KrebMarkt) and two others users 203.177.242.47 and Philippeandrews.

We had few exchanges [6] & [7] and because i try to be fair, i dropped a line in the RS/N board with not much success or so.

The current point:

• There is fact: Broadcast in Philippine on QTV 11
• A set of Non-RS sources: [8][9][10]

My proposed compromise:

• Remove the network_other parameter as deprecated from the infobox based on the discussion & consensus here.
• Allow a mention of the Philippine broadcast on QTV 11 in prose for in the anime sub-section of the article with a {{Citation needed}} tag on it because there is no RS to assert.
• The fact will be removed prior the peer review in preparation of the a run for GA if it is not asserted at that time. This will give plenty of time for those willing to rescue that fact to search a RS.

Cordially. --KrebMarkt 21:05, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Poke --KrebMarkt 16:27, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whoop -- catching up after being offline. That sounds like a good thing to do all around, especially given the depreciation of the infobox parameter. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was surprised to find a review of Aqua on Jason Thompson's appendix to Manga: The Complete Guide. Hope this helps. --Malkinann (talk) 23:07, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ho -- I was wondering if that would happen. Thanks for the tip. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:38, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Add my thanks too. --KrebMarkt 02:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aria is now airing late night every workday on RAI Gulp, a children's channel. The girls are probably too hot to let them appear on screen mid-day? The series is now at ep.31. if the program guide is right. 82.131.210.163 (talk) 14:56, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suprisingly RAI Gulp even aired the direct-to-DVD Aria the Origination episode 5.5 (Castello) yesterday. I think that wasn't on air in Japan! 91.83.17.38 (talk) 06:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bonus episodes are usually handled like normal episodes outside Japan. Yes 5.5 was not aired in Japan. --KrebMarkt 09:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Aria The Natural Box Set ANN review 211.30.12.191 (talk) 23:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC) as User:Extremepro[reply]

Already linked above, in the collection of review links, but thanks. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The main article is 111KB long while the talk page is 95KB long. I don't think you can split the main page down any more but it should be possible to organise an auto-archiving of the talk page. 211.30.12.191 (talk) 23:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC) as User:Extremepro[reply]

So I was looking it over again. I think by this point [[Aria (manga)]] has ceased to be just a little inaccurate and become vastly misleading, and as the anon points out, extremely long.

About a quarter of the article is setting, character, vocabulary and other material that is common to all Aria works. Another good chunk is about the anime (there is more content on the development of the anime than manga; even the Reception section has more on the anime than manga).

And then there's the Media section, with just dozens and dozens of non-manga works. So size-wise, I'd guesstimate 2/3rds of the article is entirely non-manga.

Some sort of splitting out is justified. I suggest that [[Aria (manga)]] be cut down to just the manga; an [[Aria (franchise)]] be set up to hold the common content mentioned above and the history of the franchise; a real [[Aria (anime)]] be created to hold the anime content; and the video games, non-soundtrack CDs and books could go into a [[List of Aria works]]. This is perhaps a little much (and some of the names are debatable), but just about any splitting would be better than the current smorgasbord. --Gwern (contribs) 14:53 17 January 2010 (GMT)

I can live with current smorgasbord :p

More seriously an big part of the article size is spend in references and citations something you are not used to. Refs and citation are worth more 40-50KB dropping the size back to around 60KB of prose.
I don't like your proposed splitting because it smells fan like thinking. The article is stable, sourced and well written with proper FUR for used images so i don't see any hurry to split.
Split should be done so that the spin-out article is coherent and well written. We don't need de-facto ditching ground for what some can view as "excessive fat".

There are currently 4 Aria related articles all of them B class. Split should only result more B class articles and better. --KrebMarkt 15:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But the problem with the smorgasbord is that it's now past the point where it will actually crash old browsers, take painfully long on mobile or other bandwidth-limited devices, where editing becomes difficult and more prone to edit conflicts, and where just finding stuff starts to become difficult. As you say, there's not much that can be removed; the basic problem is that, as the Army expression goes, we're stuffing 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag. A (manga) article simply shouldn't be covering everything Aria under the sun!

Stable times are the best times for refactoring pages. Demanding that a split should result in B class and FAs seems pretty arbitrary to me. Spliting out should be decided on whether the original is too large and the split-out material notable on its own, not on whether the split-out article meets a constantly shifting and dubious metric like GA's - akin to AfD. (Nobody votes "keep, issues of notability aside, this is a B-class article' or 'delete, clearly this is a notable subject, but it lacks inline refs and good fair-use justifications and so is only C-class'.) --Gwern (contribs) 16:58 17 January 2010 (GMT)

For the B class rating, i mean every split article must the potential to make B class. Some spin-out articles are nothing but ditching ground for everything that doesn't feat in the main article making them flawed by their very nature and thus will never have the potential to reach B class.

I will vote oppose split in its outlined form for now. Splitting anime & manga is in contradiction of the MoS-Anime & practice. Re-organizing subject coverage like in fan site is also Meeuuuuhhhh. Creating a ditching ground article with what you called [[List of Aria works]] doesn't have my support.

I have no opinion on article renaming because until we agree on what to split and how to split, the article name will remain in suspend. --KrebMarkt 18:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can see an argument being made for splitting out the list of characters (which would involve beefing up the plot to write summary introductions to the main cast of six), but I'm not thrilled with splitting it along franchise lines. I note that one reason that there's more anime information is that more of the licensed anime is out -- with each manga volume, we get more reviews of it -- and for the games, well, we don't have enough information to write a self-sustaining article on. Color me dubious. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The russian title of the gondolier girl saga is supposed to be "Ария: Происхождение". Does that man the manga or the anime was officially licenced in Russia? 91.82.35.238 (talk) 22:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fansub from http://world-art.ru/ which return error 502. Thanks for the input, you are welcome :) --KrebMarkt (talk) 07:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The title is also being used by Russian online sellers of the English Origination box set, but yeah, that title seems to have originated from fansubbers. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On forums there is a little buzz lately of a possible ARIA animated movie being planned. Anybody has solid info or is it just a rumor? Ms. Amano is pregnant or maybe already has a baby and J. Satoh is often busy with other animation projects. 87.97.105.150 (talk) 12:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This sentence was cut-paste from reception section: "The series also gained an Anak TV Seal Awards in Philippines as one of the child-friendly, child-sensitive, and family-friendly TV programs awarded year 2010."

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Made a disambiguation line linking to Aria the Scarlet Ammo, as it is commonly called "Aria," and many people have been confusing it with this series, as both have a manga and anime series. Is this ok, or should it link to Aria_(disambiguation) instead? Feel free to fix it if it's done incorrectly. — ThreeDee912(^talk/_contribs) 20:30, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You did it right. Probably overdue, really. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In ARIA, the underground world of Albert is potentially based on the "navigable levels" of Worsley Delph, an early industrial era underground boating canal system near West Manchester, that spans 46 miles. 82.131.210.163 (talk) 12:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is either original research or purely POV. Feel free to edit the article if you have an actual reliable source for this idea. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 14:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The ARIA manga franchise apparently had a total sales of 4.5 million (tankobon booklets?) plus appeared in 170 million copies of the Monthly Comic Blade magazine until the series' conclusion in December 2008, according to this news website: http://m.izu-np.co.jp/ito/news/20151228iz0000000005000c.html#

" ... 　同市内にあるという設定の高校で、ダイビング部に所属する生徒たちの青春ドラマ。同市出身でプロのインストラクターを目指す小日向光と、高校入学と同時に東京都から同市に引っ越してきた大木双葉の２人の少女を中心に、ダイビングの魅力や心の交流を描く。原作ではメンバーがダイビングを楽しむ富戸港のほか、城ケ崎海岸や伊豆高原桜並木などの名所、按針祭海の花火大会や秋祭りのみこしの海上渡御などイベントも描かれている。０８年からマッグガーデン社の雑誌「コミックブレイド」で連載中。累計発行部数は１７０万部（１２月現在）。

　原作者の天野さんは、同年まで連載していた前作「ＡＲＩＡ」で累計４５０万部を売り上げ、３度のテレビアニメ化も果たした人気作家。たびたび伊東を訪れ、自身のソーシャル・ネットワーキング・サービス（ＳＮＳ）でイベントや菓子を紹介している。... "

If the info is correct, it could go into the article, but I can't know if maybe Google Translate reads the texts incorrectly? 91.82.39.125 (talk) 00:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Link20XX (talk · contribs) 13:51, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I will be reviewing this article, though this article is huge so it will definitely take awhile. Link20XX (talk) 13:51, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@0qd: Hello and thanks for your good article nomination. Unfortunately, this article does not meet the good article criteria. Here is why:

• The Nozomi page doesn't call the series a science-fiction
  • It does, but under the "Details" tab. I've adjusted the URL to match it exactly to prevent confusion.
• Reference 17, 26, and 27 give url errors
  • Fixed 17 and 27. 26 does not give a URL error, perhaps you had the wrong ref number?
• Anna, Ayumi K. Jasmine, and Azusa B. McLaren, Atora Monteverdi, Anzu Yumeno, and Anya Dostoyevskaya's voice actors are not cited.
  • Fixed.
• This needs a source: Her name comes from Lewis Carroll, author of Alice in Wonderland.
  • Removed this part as I can't find a source and it's not exactly relevant to the character in the first place.
• "Aqua and Aria were adapted by Hal Film Maker as a 54-episode anime television series comprising two seasons titled Aria the Animation and Aria the Natural, an original video animation (OVA) titled Aria the OVA: Arietta, and a third season titled Aria the Origination. The series was directed by Junichi Sato with character designs by Makoto Koga, and broadcast on the TV Tokyo Network between 2005 and 2008." That entire section is not cited
  • Fixed.
• The infobox says Siren Visual released it in Australia, but that isn't mentioned in Media?
  • Added.
• Ref 108 is a not found link
  • Fixed.
• This line needs a Citation: "Additional drama CDs were included as bonus materials for each volume of Aria Perfect Guide."
  • Fixed.
• Reference 147 is a not found link
  • I believe you meant 146, as 147 is in fact a working link. Fixed.
• On Reference 43, use the cite tweet formula instead of just a link
  • Fixed.
• For the non-English licenses, sources 92-93, 94-95, 96-97, 98-99, 103-104, and 115-116 are the same source two times in a row, which is unnecessary
  • I believe these are necessary as Aqua and Aria were both licensed separately, yet are part of the same franchise. Aqua was the precursor to Aria.

• No sources are needed in the lead
  • Fixed.
• Tankoban should be italicized
  • Fixed.
• You don't need a source to show the manga is in the Shonen demographic, thats determined by the magazine
  • Fixed.
• Aria the Benedizione project should be in the infobox
  • Added. I didn't add it before due to quite literally no information being revealed about it as of yet, but I added it by your advice.
• President Hime M. Granzchesta doesn't have an English voice actor listed
  • They did not have an English voice actor.
• the bottom paragraph should be above the licenses, and the part about the Italian broadcast should be in the same paragraph but below the English licenses
  • Believe I fixed it, but confused as to what you mean. Can you check?
• Radio CDs section has a "when" tag.
  • Fixed. 144 cites the date.

Unfortunately, for the reasons listed above, this article does not pass this review. Despite that, the Story, Development, Terms and other plot summaries in the article are truly spectacular and some of the best written stuff I've read on Wikipedia. So don't get discouraged; you definitely have made improvements, just not enough yet. If you need help with researching or anything else of the sort, you can reach me on my talk page and I will happily help out. You may renominate this article in the future once it has been improved to meet the criteria, and if you do I will gladly review it again. Link20XX (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Link20XX: Thank you for your review, Link. I greatly appreciate how painstakingly you looked at the article as I feel it's helped to greatly improve its quality. I've renominated the article and would like to take you up on your offer to re-review it if you're available. Thank you. 0qd (talk) 20:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Link20XX (talk · contribs) 21:00, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. This has been renominated after it previously did not pass the criteria. I will look at it once again and see if it now passes the criteria. Link20XX (talk) 21:01, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@0qd: I have completed my initial review, and I must say the improvements made are clear. You definitely followed my advice, just a few small things before I can promote this (you can make the changes here, I won't fail it).

Is it well written?

1. A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Characters:

• Source 20 is still a 404 error, but since source 21 has the information, is it even needed?
  • Changed source 20 to an archive link and removed one redundant usage of it. It works for me, but I assume it's blocked due to a geo-block.
• Anime News Network's encyclopedia and Voice Actor Database are not reliable sources since anyone can edit them, so you need a different source
  • The JP voice actor database is considered reliable, but I have changed the ANN encyclopedia links. See here.
• The part about Siren Visual's license should be in the same paragraph as Nozomi's, since Australia is also an English speaking majority territory.
  • It's already in the same paragraph.
• Reference 173 needs a better archive url
  • Fixed.
• The url for the Mag Garden sources appear to be a not found error. Maybe get archive urls for them?
  • Fixed.
• Monthly Undine is as of March 2008? Maybe you should update it?
  • Updated.
• I'm also getting a 404 error for reference 214.
  • Converted to archive link. Assuming this is a geo-block again.
• 223 also needs an archive url
  • Fixed.

That is all. Once each is addressed, I will promote it. Link20XX (talk) 21:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Link20XX: Thanks Link. I've fixed all of them. 0qd (talk) 23:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@0qd: Just a couple more things (this is it I promise): One, in Reception, 4 citations are used in a row, which violates WP:CITEOVERKILL, and 2, there is an unassigned url in the The President Cat Picture books subsection of Media. Fix those and I will pass it. Side note but jeez this is the second time I have run into geo-blocking today on Wikipedia. Link20XX (talk) 23:40, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Link20XX: I've fixed those. Thanks for pointing out the unassigned URL — archiving the Mag Garden articles was a pain, haha. 0qd (talk) 23:44, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oops, sorry about that. Now I've fixed it. Made an error in the last edit. 0qd (talk) 23:45, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is still one reference clump left ([224][230][231][232]). You can use WP:CITEBUNDLE if you want. Link20XX (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Link20XX: Thank you for being patient, very tired. I've fixed it by removing the weakest citation. 0qd (talk) 23:52, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@0qd: Alright. All of my issues have been fixed, so as promised, the article is now a GA. Congratulations! You worked very hard for this, and certainly deserve it. The result of this review is Pass. Link20XX (talk) 23:57, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @Link20XX: Thanks again. Really appreciate you responding quickly and being patient with my errors there at the end. 0qd (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• • @0qd: Don't mention it, that's my job as a reviewer. You deserve all the real credit. If you would like, you can even enter for it to be featured in WP:DYK so a fact from it will appear on the main page. Link20XX (talk) 00:04, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]