Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/February 17

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Should we be using historical holidays? I'm not that familiar with Tanis Diena, but I get the impression that it, like the other ancient Latvian holidays, hasn't been celebrated for centuries. I'm not rejecting historical holidays out of hand, just looking for a general policy. Thanks.--Pharos 22:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Though I know the Kosovo Declaration of Independence is controversial, it is irrefutable that A Kosovo declaration of Independence took place on February 17, 2008. In keeping with the tradition of listing patriotic holidays for recognized or partially recognized (Taiwan's official day is listed) countries, could an admin please add the Kosovo anniversary to this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astrofreak92 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The start of the Sino-Vietnamese War happened on February 17, 1979, 30 years ago. I think it's a more significant anniversary than many of those listed here. DHN (talk) 18:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Omitted: Myles Standish, Gomburza, Madama Butterfly, 1964 Gabon coup d'état
• Included: Giordano Bruno (3rd appearance, last in 2010), Citadel of Saigon (2nd appearance, last in 2010), Capture of Columbia (first appearance), 2006 Southern Leyte mudslide (2nd appearance, last in 2010)
• Repeats: Armory Show (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 20:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The capture of Columbia, South Carolina, is listed as 1862. It actually happened in 1865. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.89.32.154 (talk) 00:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 00:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Deleted: Missouri Compromise (better used on March 5)
• Omitted: Giordano Bruno (ineligible—maintenance); Citadel of Saigon; Capture of Columbia; 2006 Southern Leyte mudslide
• Included: United States presidential election, 1800 (7th appearance, last in 2010); Gomburza (2nd appearance, last in 2011); La Mon restaurant bombing (first appearance); London congestion charge (4th appearance, last in 2010; 10th anniversary)
• Repeats: Armory Show (3rd consecutive appearance, 3 total; 100th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 10:13, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I strongly feel that "Independence day in Kosovo" should not be listed in this page, not only because this territory is not considered an independent country by more than a half of UN members, but (more importantly) because it is not itself a member of the UN. Somebody mentioned the case of Taiwan (also partly-recognized), however, there is a significant difference - Taiwan IS a member of UN, therefore "a country" in a formal way (even if many do not agree with that).

Moreover, Kosovo's independence being a very controversial topic, mentioning it on Wikipedia (considering current state of affairs) could be considered as a kind of (pro Kosovo Albanian) political presure.

178.148.204.251 (talk) 22:26, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your position, but the point of this listing to say that Independence Day is being celebrated in the region of Kosovo. What other nations think of that is irrelevant. —howcheng {chat} 01:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Newsweek
• Omitted: United States presidential election, 1800; Gomburza; Armory Show; La Mon restaurant bombing; London congestion charge
• Included: Richard II of England (first appearance); Myles Standish (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Madama Butterfly (4th appearance, last in 2011); Chaim Weizmann (first appearance); 1964 Gabon coup d'état (2nd appearance, last in 2011; 50th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 07:11, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Moved to Ineligible: Capture of Columbia (maintenance); Newsweek (maintenance)
• Omitted: Myles Standish; Madama Butterfly (ineligible—maintenance); 1964 Gabon coup d'état
• Included: Giordano Bruno (4th appearance, last in 2012; rescued from Ineligible); Armory Show (4th appearance, last in 2013); Bahrain Bloody Thursday (first appearance)
• Repeats: Richard II of England (2nd appearance, 2 total); Chaim Weizmann (2nd appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:01, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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1600 – Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno, best-known as a proponent of heliocentrism and the infinity of the universe, was burned at the stake as a heretic by the Roman Inquisition.

The sentence more than suggests that Bruno was killed for being a proponent of heliocentrism, although a literal reading does not. Most controversies surrounding heliocentrism and the Church have been inflated by its various opponents in the last centuries, who wished to portray themselves as more sympathetic to science.

But Giordano Bruno wasn't just saying Eppur si muove, he was collecting each and every heresy the Church had battled against for more than a millenia. There is hardly a Church without the dogmas of trinity and monotheism, and a large number of trials were held in Catholic countries during these ardent times in Europe for less than that.

A different wording should dispel the interpretation that 'heliocentrism' might have been 'heretical', which it has never been (see heliocentrism for more explanations).

Kahlores (talk) 03:51, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 16:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You corrected it but you seem to have reverted it by bad luck (see diff). Anyway I still thank you, for the error won't be there the next year. Kahlores (talk) 21:44, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Moved to Ineligible: Myles Standish (TFA for 2016)
• Omitted: Richard II of England; Giordano Bruno; Armory Show; Chaim Weizmann; Bahrain Bloody Thursday
• Included: United States presidential election, 1800 (8th appearance, last in 2013); Citadel of Saigon (3rd appearance, last in 2012); Madama Butterfly (5th appearance, last in 2014; rescued from Ineligible); Vanguard 2 (4th appearance, last in 2007; rescued from Ineligible); 2006 Southern Leyte mudslide (3rd appearance, last in 2012; 10th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 08:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• New articles (ineligible): OFC Nations Cup (maintenance)
• Moved to Ineligible: Gomburza (maintenance); London congestion charge (maintenance)
• Omitted: United States presidential election, 1800 (ineligible—maintenance); Madama Butterfly; Vanguard 2
• Included: Myles Standish (3rd appearance, last in 2014; rescued from Ineligible); Armory Show (5th appearance, last in 2015); 1964 Gabon coup d'état (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Wally Pipp (first appearance); Geronimo (8th appearance; usually appears on September 4)
• Repeats: Citadel of Saigon (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total); 2006 Southern Leyte mudslide (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:00, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Deleted: Orange Free State (moved to February 23)
• Moved to Ineligible: Richard II of England (maintenance); Giordano Bruno (maintenance); Chaim Weizmann (maintenance); Vanguard 2 (maintenance)
• New articles (ineligible): Billy Joe Armstrong (maintenance)
• New articles (unused): 1974 White House helicopter incident; Isabelle Eberhardt
• Omitted: Citadel of Saigon; 1964 Gabon coup d'état; 2006 Southern Leyte mudslide; Wally Pipp; Geronimo (deleted; normally appears September 4)
• Included: Battle of Mormant (first appearance); La Mon restaurant bombing (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Bahrain Bloody Thursday/Libyan Civil War (2011) (Bahrain: 2nd appearance, last in 2015; Libya: first appearance); María de las Mercedes Barbudo (first appearance); Karen O'Connor (first appearance); Ed Sheeran (first appearance)
• Repeats: Myles Standish (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total); Armory Show (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Omitted: Myles Standish; Armory Show; La Mon restaurant bombing; Bahrain Bloody Thursday/Libyan Civil War (2011); María de las Mercedes Barbudo; Karen O'Connor; Ed Sheeran
• Included: Citadel of Saigon (5th appearance, last in 2017); Madama Butterfly (6th appearance, last in 2016); 1974 White House helicopter incident (first appearance); 2006 Southern Leyte mudslide (5th appearance, last in 2017); Jovian (emperor) (first appearance); Isabelle Eberhardt (2nd appearance, last in 2017; previously appeared on October 21, her death anniversary); Amber Merritt (first appearance)
• Repeats: Battle of Mormant (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 07:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Deleted: Richard II of England (moved to July 16)
• Omitted: Kosovo (ineligible—maintenance); Battle of Mormant; Citadel of Saigon; 2006 Southern Leyte mudslide; Jovian (emperor); Isabelle Eberhardt; Amber Merritt
• Included: Myles Standish (5th appearance, last in 2018); Weenen massacre (first appearance); 1964 Gabonese coup d'état (4th appearance, last in 2017); Al-Tabari (first appearance); Lola Montez (first appearance); Wally Pipp (2nd appearance, last in 2017)
• Repeats: Madama Butterfly (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total); 1974 White House helicopter incident (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 16:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Omitted: Weenen massacre; Madama Butterfly; 1964 Gabonese coup d'état; 1974 White House helicopter incident; Al-Tabari; Lola Montez (ineligible—maintenance); Wally Pipp
• Included: Citadel of Saigon (6th appearance, last in 2019); Armory Show (7th appearance, last in 2018); La Mon restaurant bombing (3rd appearance, last in 2018); Bloody Thursday (Bahrain)/First Libyan Civil War (Thursday: 3rd appearance; War: 2nd; both last in 2018); Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria (first appearance; 650th anniversary); Mary Carson Breckinridge (first appearance); Ed Sheeran (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 30th birthday)
• Repeats: Myles Standish (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total; 400th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 07:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• New articles (ineligible): 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence (maintenance)
• Omitted: Myles Standish; Citadel of Saigon; Armory Show; La Mon restaurant bombing; Bloody Thursday (Bahrain)/First Libyan Civil War; Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria; Mary Carson Breckinridge; Ed Sheeran
• Included: Battle of Mormant (3rd appearance, last in 2019); Diesel engine (3rd appearance, last in 2006; previously appeared on February 23); Operation Hailstone (first appearance); Vanguard 2 (4th appearance, last in 2016; rescued from Ineligible); 2006 Southern Leyte mudslide (6th appearance, last in 2019); Denzil Holles, 1st Baron Holles (first appearance); Margot Heuman (first appearance); Nestor Chylak (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 07:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]