Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rashed Al-Mugren

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The result was no consensus. Sources were shown to exist, but no clear consensus as to their depth of coverage emerged. Modussiccandi (talk) 16:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rashed Al-Mugren

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Article about former footballer which fails WP:SPORTBASIC. PROD was contested without providing any evidence of SIGCOV being available. Jogurney (talk) 17:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Saudi Arabia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:36, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I found [1], [2], [3], [4], and [5] among many many more Arabic sources. Having been a fully pro and internationally capped Saudi Arabian top flight player during 2000s, there are dfeintily many offline sources as well. Clearly was significant figure in Saudi Arabian football. He is internationally capped for Saudi Arbaia in World Cup qualifying and played for Al Shabab, one of most successful Saudi Arabian teams. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Interview, a strange ramble about him being transferred and another three interviews do not equal a GNG pass. Dougal18 (talk) 10:09, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - There is not a single WP:SIRS among those five links. The Al Yaum (newspaper) link is some kind of letter to the editor or editoral commentary which while directly about Al Mugren, provides opinion and no in-depth coverage. All of the other newspaper links (from Al Riyadh (newspaper) and Al Jazirah (newspaper)) are interviews with the subject and contain no more than a sentence or two of independent reporting. This is far, far short of WP:SPORTBASIC. Jogurney (talk) 13:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I found many many more Arabic articles not listed here from those same newspapers as well as other websites. Having been a fully pro and internationally capped Saudi Arabian top flight player during 2000s who played for Al Shabab, one of most successful Saudi Arabian teams, there are definitley many offline sources as well. Clearly was significant figure in Saudi Arabian football. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks,

Do you care to share one that looks like WP:SIRS? I can't see how anyone would argue that the GNG is met without some evidence. Jogurney (talk) 19:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 08:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I found Dougal's assessment of the sources provided above quite apt, and vaguewave assertions that "other sources exist" (based on reasoning explicitly rejected by consensus) should be disregarded as invalid arguments. JoelleJay (talk) 23:19, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, the sources cited above are a mix of interviews and other coverage that does not contribute to a GNG pass, and I could find nothing better from a search. Devonian Wombat (talk) 04:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found more sources like [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], and [13]. I found many many more Arabic articles not listed here from al-jazirah.com as well as other websites. There are definitely many offline sources as well, having been a fully pro and internationally capped Saudi Arabian top flight player during 2000s who played for Al Shabab, one of most successful Saudi Arabian teams. Clearly was significant figure in Saudi Arabian football. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 06:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. The sources appear to be interviews and press releases mainly which lack independence or are passing mentions.4meter4 (talk) 19:55, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the interviews are a bit borderline, but they contain some prose as well. There's a LOT of coverage from the latter part of his career. Here's a dozen or so newspaper articles from last century - can someone who speaks Arabic review them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nfitz (talk • contribs) 21:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.