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The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber
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If you plan on reading this book, buckle up kids. Because the authors here are going to completely overturn the very premise of all your history lessons. It was quite a blow to me frankly, given that most feminist studies begin with associations between the origins of private property, patriarchy and monogamy. And this book clearly shows that such an association is extremely reductive, because the notion of private property is as old as that of sacredness. The authors seem to be of the opinion that the obsession with property rights as the basis of society is a peculiarly western phenomenon. What we should be asking instead is why these notions grew to order and dictate so many other aspects of human affairs. Moreover, the authors argue that what we now regard as a 'state' hasn't been a constant of history (even recent history) even though many researchers seem to be tirelessly looking for its origins in many different periods.

Much of this book is marked by uncertainty (which is my favorite concept, proven by the fact that my research area is quantum physics) as to whether we can neatly draw lines and separate history into clear cut periods as most textbooks seem to do. The authors express deep uncertainty as to whether what we think of as 'civilization' and 'state' are even conjoined elements. They claim that contrary to popular opinion, 'civilization' hasn't been handed down to us through an evolutionary process. It is silly to even talk about the evolution of human society from band to tribe to chiefdom to state, when our starting points are groups that moved fluidly between these forms of social organisation as a matter of habitat.

Apparently, we've been asking all the wrong questions and ridiculously confining ourselves to the Rousseau-Hobbes debate on the origins of inequality. As if there ever was a distinct origin. As if it is either inherent to human nature or to the nature of civilization. The authors even scorn the leftist upholding of the Rousseau argument, because it is downright silly to assume humans ever lived in idyllic garden of Eden sort of communities. For them, questions regarding the origin of state and the question about origins of inequality are equally foolish.

What are the lessons we can learn from history then? What are the right questions to ask? For starters, we need to question why after millenia of constructing and disassembling forms of heirarchy, did we allow permanent and intractable system of inequality to take root? I, for one, am more than happy to jump on this bandwagon.

This is an extremely bold book, in the truest sense of the word. Oh and I'm totally into all the Yuval Noah Harari and Jared Diamond dissing.

If there is a particular story we should be telling, a big question we should be asking of human history (instead of the ‘origins of social inequality’), is it precisely this: how did we find ourselves stuck in just one form of social reality, and how did relations based ultimately on violence and domination come to be normalized within it?
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Dave Schoettinger I would suggest that social relations based on violence are an inheritance from our non-human or proto-human past, like bipedalism or the opposable thumb. However, unlike the latter two traits, violence is increasingly being recognized as counterproductive.


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s.penkevich Stunning review, thank you for breaking this down so efficiently! This sounds fascinating, I need to pick this up.


Kevin Carson This book goes well with James Scott's "Against the Grain" and the first volume of Michael Mann's "The Sources of Social Power."


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Nataliya Very interesting book and a fascinating review, Prerna! I certainly need to read this one.


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Fionnuala You argue your points—and explain the the premise of the book—very very clearly, Prerna.


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Vladys Kovsky Seems very compelling. I would read just to partake in Harari and Diamond dissing.


Prerna Dave wrote: "I would suggest that social relations based on violence are an inheritance from our non-human or proto-human past, like bipedalism or the opposable thumb. However, unlike the latter two traits, vio..."

Hmm, I'm not so sure about this but you make an interesting argument. I'm not sure what sort of social relations we can speak of with regards to our proto-human past.


Prerna s.penkevich wrote: "Stunning review, thank you for breaking this down so efficiently! This sounds fascinating, I need to pick this up."

Thank you, S! I very much look forward to reading your own opinions on this book, so I'm eager for you to pick it up.


Prerna Kevin wrote: "This book goes well with James Scott's "Against the Grain" and the first volume of Michael Mann's "The Sources of Social Power.""

Oooh, thanks! I'll check them out.


Prerna Nataliya wrote: "Very interesting book and a fascinating review, Prerna! I certainly need to read this one."

Thanka, Nataliya! And yes, you MUST read this one!


Prerna Fionnuala wrote: "You argue your points—and explain the the premise of the book—very very clearly, Prerna."

Thank you, Fio! This one time I decided to be clear in my review, glad it worked.


Prerna Vladys wrote: "Seems very compelling. I would read just to partake in Harari and Diamond dissing."

Yes, Vlad! Do it! And we'll partake in the dissing together.


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Blurred I don't think relations based on violence and domination were normalized. It can be argued that they were the stepping stones for relations. So this is an example I've heard in support of this argument that in chimps the female chimps weren't very picky and would mate with any of the male chimps but often the dominant chimp will scare the other one away and was more likely to form sexual relationship with the female chimp.
Also, It's hard to say that it's only one form of social reality. All the societies have many things in common but in each one of them there are profound differences too. And the differences and similarities might have a lot to do with nature.


Prerna It's hardly fair to observe some chimps and extrapolate those conclusions to what that would mean within human societies or how they form. And stepping stones for what sort of relations?

Nowhere does Graeber say that there's only one form of social reality. In fact, what he does in this book is the very opposite. He effectively shows that any arguments based on why people would behave a certain way because of 'nature' won't lead us anywhere. Assuming that there is anything inherent to human nature when it comes to forming societies (as Rousseau and Hobbes seems to have done) is very outdated and we have lots of evidence against it. But of course, certain modes of social organisation seem to have dominated over others and Graeber insists that we ask why. (Hint: the answer is not nature.)


Kevin Carson Prerna wrote: "Nowhere does Graeber say that there's only one form of social reality. In fact, what he does in this book is the very opposite. He effectively shows that any arguments based on why people would behave a certain way because of 'nature' won't lead us anywhere."
Exactly. Graeber was the polar opposite of an evopsych bro.


Prerna My sincere advice: stop reading Richard Dawkins. Or any of those new age atheist bros. In fact, forget everything you've ever read by them if possible.


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Blurred Prerna wrote: "It's hardly fair to observe some chimps and extrapolate those conclusions to what that would mean within human societies or how they form. And stepping stones for what sort of relations?

Nowhere ..."


No, this behavior is present throughout their species. As for should we extrapolate that information to say that this is where our understanding of relations come from, even today the more dominant being is more likely to form a relationship with the female than the less dominant one (I don't mean dominant in comparison with the female, but with each other.) Now, if we map it out with the chimps, we can say that at a fundamental level things are still the same. We might not be that violent, but in chimps the violence was a tool to assert dominance.

No, I didn't mean to say Graeber said that. I haven't read him yet. I thought you said so in the last paragraph.

I'm not sure if I get this part, I didn't meant nature as in human nature, I meant it as in environment. Also, even if it was human nature, are there arguments against that we inherit the fundamental structures upon which we form our social organisation? I thought that was the radical point of view.


Kevin Carson Human societies, even at the forager or hunter-gatherer level, differ widely in levels of violence and social subordination. If there are fundamental structures, they're a lot more nuanced than what the evo psych people, or Pinker, or Quillette anti-"blank slatists," or Lobster Boy mean when they use the expression "human nature."


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Blurred Kevin wrote: "Human societies, even at the forager or hunter-gatherer level, differ widely in levels of violence and social subordination. If there are fundamental structures, they're a lot more nuanced than wha..."

I agree


Prerna Dhruv wrote: "Prerna wrote: "It's hardly fair to observe some chimps and extrapolate those conclusions to what that would mean within human societies or how they form. And stepping stones for what sort of relati..."

I don't really understand, but this age old argument of violence as a tool to assert dominance is quite tiring. Of course it is, you see it even now it state sponsored violence, but I don't believe that it's something inherent to us. And this whole male-female based argument when applied to humans is sexist, patriarchy and terribly heteronormative. How human beings form relationships cannot be reduced to something as simple as this. That's what the evopsych bros would want you to believe though.

And I don't really understand what you mean when you refer to the environment, since humans have come to dominate over this very environment, to the point of destroying it. And this is not so much about humans, but rather about capitalist societies.

And inheriting fundamental structures upon which we form our social organizations? I wasn't even aware of this view. How does one inherit such a thing? We don't even inherit sexuality. And how does one even talk about inheriting something as abstract as social organisation Do you mean inherit as in genetically or do you mean that it's just passed down from one generation to another like a ritual?


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Blurred Yeah, I might be wrong here. I'm not sure. I don't seem to understand relationships in real life. And the rest of my argument stands upon a few conclusions people have made out of some data they have studied and I've no idea about. So, it's kind of like speaking for an authority.

I don't know if it's fair to say we've come to dominate it since we are on verge of being destroyed by it. My point being that a person living in a specific geographical location is prone to developing a culture around it.

I do mean inherit as in genetically. I can't say for sure that we don't inherit sexuality. That would mean sexuality is a social concept, hence straight people are homophobic.

As for fundamental structures regarding social organization, there are again studies that suggest that we inherit our emotional, cognitive and moral structures . Which form a large part of what we are and hence a large part of how we will organize ourselves in the group.


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Khalid Abdul-Mumin Insightful review and commentary, definately going to add this to mount TBR.


Prerna Dhruv wrote: "Yeah, I might be wrong here. I'm not sure. I don't seem to understand relationships in real life. And the rest of my argument stands upon a few conclusions people have made out of some data they ha..."

I would argue that we are on the verge of being destroyed by the environment because we have created conditions for it to do so. Climate change is called anthropogenic for a reason.

Whether sexuality itself is a social construct or is related to biology is an entirely different debate within queer communities. Studies show that most women are bisexual or gay, but not straight. Sexuality is definitely not inherited though, no homosexual children would be born to heterosexual parents if that were the case, except if it was because of a deviation or mutation and not only is there no evidence to support this argument, it's also ridiculously homophobic.

Studies also show that the emotional, moral and cognitive structures that we inherit are community based and actually go against the 'rational man' reduction that Econbros make.

I highly suggest that you read this book. You will benefit greatly from it.


Prerna Khalid wrote: "Insightful review and commentary, definately going to add this to mount TBR."

Thanks!


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I will


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Katia N Interesting discussion and the comments, Prerna. I agree his books are all worth reading.

Can I just confirm with you one point? Does he really say that there is no such thing as a human nature? If yes, then does it equally apply to any potentially good parts of what we call human nature? And how does then morality is defined?

Or is that you who concluded that there is no such thing based upon what he said? It is a genuine question as I’ve never heard such things idea. For example, the book “10 types of human” by Dexter Diaz (worth reading imho) and generally all study of psychology is devoted to this illusive human nature thing:-)


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Jonfaith Received the book for my birthday. I have read about 30 pages and have paused to consider the implications of the thesis and the possibilities such is couched within.


Prerna Katia wrote: "Interesting discussion and the comments, Prerna. I agree his books are all worth reading.

Can I just confirm with you one point? Does he really say that there is no such thing as a human nature? ..."


Thanks, Katia!

Embarrassingly enough, I don't actually remember what he said about human nature. But I did find an article he wrote called The Bully's Pulpit (which goodreads is not letting me link) where he writes:

Sooner or later, every project for human freedom will have to comprehend why we accept societies being ranked and ordered by violence and domination to begin with. And it strikes me that our visceral reaction to weakness and cowardice, our strange reluctance to identify with even the most justifiable forms of fear, might provide a clue.

The problem is that debate so far has been dominated by proponents of two equally absurd positions. On the one side, there are those who deny that it’s possible to say anything about humans as a species; on the other, there are those who assume that the goal is to explain why it is that some humans seem to take pleasure in pushing other ones around. The latter camp almost invariably ends up spinning stories about baboons and chimps, usually to introduce the proposition that humans—or at least those of us with sufficient quantities of testosterone—inherit from our primate ancestors an inbuilt tendency toward self-aggrandizing aggression that manifests itself in war, which cannot be gotten rid of, but may be diverted into competitive market activity. On the basis of these assumptions, the cowards are those who lack a fundamental biological impulse, and it’s hardly surprising that we would hold them in contempt.


So, of course he doesn't deny that there is such a thing as human nature, and I don't either. I apologize if that's the impression I gave. I am just not sure as to what human nature entails. And I do not advertise associating acts of violence, both of the individual and collective kind, with human nature. Since human nature, as we think of it today, is very abstract. I agree with Graeber when he writes

No one would deny, of course, that humans are flawed creatures. Just about every human language has some analogue of the English “humane” or expressions like “to treat someone like a human being,” implying that simply recognizing another creature as a fellow human entails a responsibility to treat them with a certain minimum of kindness, consideration, and respect. It is obvious, however, that nowhere do humans consistently live up to that responsibility. And when we fail, we shrug and say we’re “only human.” To be human, then, is both to have ideals and to fail to live up to them.

If this is how humans tend to think of themselves, then it’s hardly surprising that when we try to understand what makes structures of violent domination possible, we tend to look at the existence of antisocial impulses and ask: Why are some people cruel? Why do they desire to dominate others? These, however, are exactly the wrong questions to ask. Humans have an endless variety of urges. Usually, they’re pulling us in any number of different directions at once. Their mere existence implies nothing.

The question we should be asking is not why people are sometimes cruel, or even why a few people are usually cruel (all evidence suggests true sadists are an extremely small proportion of the population overall), but how we have come to create institutions that encourage such behavior and that suggest cruel people are in some ways admirable—or at least as deserving of sympathy as those they push around.


You have recommended that book 10 types of human nature to me even before, and I'll have to get around to reading it soon!


Prerna Jonfaith wrote: "Received the book for my birthday. I have read about 30 pages and have paused to consider the implications of the thesis and the possibilities such is couched within."

I wish I had read it slowly too, just savored it so that I could thoroughly think of all the possible implications. But I just devoured it. No matter, I intend to re-read it.


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Katia N Prerna wrote: "Katia wrote: "Interesting discussion and the comments, Prerna. I agree his books are all worth reading.

Can I just confirm with you one point? Does he really say that there is no such thing as a ..."


Thank you very much for taking your time replying me, Prerna. Now I understand much better what he means. It is hard to disagree with him and you, at least where I stand. I also agree that the chimps discussion is overrated in this respect and does not explain that much as people would want to make. They even do not possess abstract language. But it is such a fundamental question - nature of violence vs human nature - I wish we collectively get closer solving it…

10 types is not a perfect book. And I disagree with quite a few of his “findings”. But he is honest about his assumptions, tells true insightful stories and has a legal career in human rights. So his pov is interesting intersection. I would be interested to see what you think, but of course no pressure- just thought about him when read your review.


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Khalid Abdul-Mumin Prerna wrote: "My sincere advice: stop reading Richard Dawkins. Or any of those new age atheist bros. In fact, forget everything you've ever read by them if possible."

Awesome review as always, I do hope Dr. Peterson isn't part of your 'new age' censors? i do enjoy his works.


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Blurred It's not a bad question to ask why people are sometimes cruel. In fact, isn't the next question "how we have come to create institutions that encourage such behavior and that suggest cruel people are in some ways admirable" an answer to that question, saying that human beings come to be violent because of the structure of our society.

Now, it's a good question to ask, and institutions are a factor in spreading violence, but how big a factor they are exactly and how much is it in human nature.

I might be wrong here but to me it seems like the idea that mere existence of variety of urges in human beings doesn't imply anything when it comes to violence itself implies a deep understanding of human nature on author's part when in fact he himself says that it's pretty abstract. I rather like Chomsky's views on it when he says that we don't know enough about our nature to make such conclusions.


Kevin Lopez (on sabbatical) Terrific review Prerna! I just started reading it and am already having my Hobbesian-Rousseauian worldview flipped on its nose!


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Amara M. thanks for this! i can't wait to read it. i hope he's in peace.


Prerna Katia wrote: "Prerna wrote: "Katia wrote: "Interesting discussion and the comments, Prerna. I agree his books are all worth reading.

Can I just confirm with you one point? Does he really say that there is no s..."


Yes, I too am very interested in learning more about how structures of violence relate to human nature!


Prerna Khalid wrote: "Prerna wrote: "My sincere advice: stop reading Richard Dawkins. Or any of those new age atheist bros. In fact, forget everything you've ever read by them if possible."

Awesome review as always, I ..."


If you mean Jordan Peterson, he's right on top of that list, I find him to be utterly despicable. I usually get myself banned from conservative subreddits by calling him a drug addict. It's a whole lot of fun.


Prerna Dhruv wrote: "It's not a bad question to ask why people are sometimes cruel. In fact, isn't the next question "how we have come to create institutions that encourage such behavior and that suggest cruel people a..."

Well, that's basically what Graeber is saying too? That we don't know enough about human nature in general to make broad statements and claim that it is inherently selfish or violent or cruel? The main premise of the book is that the Rousseau-Hobbes debate is outdated and even inapplicable.


Prerna Kevin Lopez (on semi-sabbatical) wrote: "Terrific review Prerna! I just started reading it and am already having my Hobbesian-Rousseauian worldview flipped on its nose!"

Thanks, Kevin! And I had the exact same reaction!


Prerna Amara wrote: "thanks for this! i can't wait to read it. i hope he's in peace."

Thank you! He is in peace and power, I'm sure. Well, not the hierarchical kind of power. But you know what I mean.


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Amara M. Prerna wrote: "Amara wrote: "thanks for this! i can't wait to read it. i hope he's in peace."

Thank you! He is in peace and power, I'm sure. Well, not the hierarchical kind of power. But you know what I mean."


hahahah i wish i could like comments but yes absolutely!!


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Carmen Great review.


Prerna Thanks!


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Kitty Fogliano Wonderfully circumspect review.


Prerna Thank you!


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