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Tin Man
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Keep your scenery, give me the scoop!
Description! Too much description! A good part of the book is the main character wandering around the street, noticing things—well, noticing EVERYTHING. I don’t need to see the sun and the flowers and the roads and the light and the buildings. Every. Single. Thing. I really don’t. I guess you could say I’m not a visual person. I’m not one to soak up nature; I’d rather be sitting inside, letting my head, my family, a friend, a book, or a movie talk to me. So when I have a book that wants to make me stay outside (horror!!) and look at all the pretty things, I balk. Close the door and come inside, it’s boring out there. The outside world is in the way of the characters. I read to hear what people are saying and thinking, not ogle the landscape. If I wanted that, I’d be reading more poetry. So here we have a story of two people, but what I remember most is the discomfort of being outdoors and looking at plants and buildings. Sorry, I want the scoop, not the scenery. Life is too short to stop and smell the roses.
Okay. Deep sigh. Move it along, Debbie. Talk about the good things: Beauteous, just beauteous language, poetic and flow-y. Some of the sentences truly are magnificent and I did highlight a bunch of them. Also, there is terrific psychological insight into the dark emotions of longing, grief, loneliness, disappointment, and the intensity of one’s first love. And we get a good look inside two heads, both so intelligent, sensitive, real, vivid. There’s wisdom all over the place.
Standouts:
-The scene of Ellis’s mother standing in front of a Van Gogh painting.
-The description of heartbreak as “the sound of an exhausted swallow falling gently to earth.”
-The scenes of Michael visiting his dying lover in a hospital.
It’s telling that despite all this luscious stuff, I felt like the atmosphere was so oppressive, I had to give the book only 3 stars. What can I say? Can I help it if cilantro ruined an otherwise good meal?
Always a surprise when this happens: When I do the old peek-back-at-the book-you-just-read thing, I completely love the sentences. (The dish looks appetizing because I can’t taste the cilantro.) I forget that I had spent entirely too much time having to picture the surroundings. I guess that’s what it is. It’s tedious and boring work to have to focus on visualizing the setting, whereas it’s easy and fun to sit inside the characters’ heads and visualize their thoughts and feelings.
The story is about two men, one straight (Ellis) and one gay (Michael) who get involved when they are teens. Both guys are cool and interesting: Ellis sketches and Michael writes. Their close relationship is intense and nuanced. We don’t see love exactly, we just see depression and yearning and recollection, and lots of it. When they’re grown, Ellis marries Annie, who seems like a cool chick (though she doesn’t get enough airtime for me). Supposedly the three of them love each other, but how do we really know that when the writer only puts them together in a few brief scenes? I can’t get no satisfaction, all I want is some interaction.
The book starts like dynamite. We get a little story about Ellis’s mother, who has a special connection to a Van Gogh painting. Very intense, and it drew me in. From there we go into chapters from Ellis’s point of view. I didn’t realize how much the third-person narration was making me feel distant until I got to the next section, which Michael narrates. God was I happy that someone was talking in first person. That always makes the story seem closer, the characters more interesting and accessible. I thought oh goodie, now that Michael is talking, the writer will stop with all the description. For a brief while, it seemed like we were getting just talk and thoughts, not panoramas. But quickly Michael started describing his surroundings, and I started to get bored and annoyed again.
So as I said, because the landscape trumped the plot (including actions and dialogue), I wasn’t feeling the love. On top of that, the plot moved around and it was hard to figure out what time period we were in. A staccato “1994” as the chapter head just didn’t do it. Sometimes I like it when time periods are jumpy (like in The Vanishing Act of Esme Lennox), but here, I got confused. Then I found myself not caring.
For those who like quotation marks, forget about it. There are none. Zero. That didn’t bother me, which might be surprising since I’m an ex-editor.
I feel weird not loving this like all of my friends did, but what can I say? Everyone’s taste is different. I wish I had liked it more, I really do, but for me it’s 3-star material, I can’t lie. In the end I was grateful it’s a short book so I could get out of there. Did I regret reading it? No. Will I read something else by this writer? Probably not.
Don’t listen to me and my lousy 3 stars. The world loved this book. I’m from outer space.
Description! Too much description! A good part of the book is the main character wandering around the street, noticing things—well, noticing EVERYTHING. I don’t need to see the sun and the flowers and the roads and the light and the buildings. Every. Single. Thing. I really don’t. I guess you could say I’m not a visual person. I’m not one to soak up nature; I’d rather be sitting inside, letting my head, my family, a friend, a book, or a movie talk to me. So when I have a book that wants to make me stay outside (horror!!) and look at all the pretty things, I balk. Close the door and come inside, it’s boring out there. The outside world is in the way of the characters. I read to hear what people are saying and thinking, not ogle the landscape. If I wanted that, I’d be reading more poetry. So here we have a story of two people, but what I remember most is the discomfort of being outdoors and looking at plants and buildings. Sorry, I want the scoop, not the scenery. Life is too short to stop and smell the roses.
Okay. Deep sigh. Move it along, Debbie. Talk about the good things: Beauteous, just beauteous language, poetic and flow-y. Some of the sentences truly are magnificent and I did highlight a bunch of them. Also, there is terrific psychological insight into the dark emotions of longing, grief, loneliness, disappointment, and the intensity of one’s first love. And we get a good look inside two heads, both so intelligent, sensitive, real, vivid. There’s wisdom all over the place.
Standouts:
-The scene of Ellis’s mother standing in front of a Van Gogh painting.
-The description of heartbreak as “the sound of an exhausted swallow falling gently to earth.”
-The scenes of Michael visiting his dying lover in a hospital.
It’s telling that despite all this luscious stuff, I felt like the atmosphere was so oppressive, I had to give the book only 3 stars. What can I say? Can I help it if cilantro ruined an otherwise good meal?
Always a surprise when this happens: When I do the old peek-back-at-the book-you-just-read thing, I completely love the sentences. (The dish looks appetizing because I can’t taste the cilantro.) I forget that I had spent entirely too much time having to picture the surroundings. I guess that’s what it is. It’s tedious and boring work to have to focus on visualizing the setting, whereas it’s easy and fun to sit inside the characters’ heads and visualize their thoughts and feelings.
The story is about two men, one straight (Ellis) and one gay (Michael) who get involved when they are teens. Both guys are cool and interesting: Ellis sketches and Michael writes. Their close relationship is intense and nuanced. We don’t see love exactly, we just see depression and yearning and recollection, and lots of it. When they’re grown, Ellis marries Annie, who seems like a cool chick (though she doesn’t get enough airtime for me). Supposedly the three of them love each other, but how do we really know that when the writer only puts them together in a few brief scenes? I can’t get no satisfaction, all I want is some interaction.
The book starts like dynamite. We get a little story about Ellis’s mother, who has a special connection to a Van Gogh painting. Very intense, and it drew me in. From there we go into chapters from Ellis’s point of view. I didn’t realize how much the third-person narration was making me feel distant until I got to the next section, which Michael narrates. God was I happy that someone was talking in first person. That always makes the story seem closer, the characters more interesting and accessible. I thought oh goodie, now that Michael is talking, the writer will stop with all the description. For a brief while, it seemed like we were getting just talk and thoughts, not panoramas. But quickly Michael started describing his surroundings, and I started to get bored and annoyed again.
So as I said, because the landscape trumped the plot (including actions and dialogue), I wasn’t feeling the love. On top of that, the plot moved around and it was hard to figure out what time period we were in. A staccato “1994” as the chapter head just didn’t do it. Sometimes I like it when time periods are jumpy (like in The Vanishing Act of Esme Lennox), but here, I got confused. Then I found myself not caring.
For those who like quotation marks, forget about it. There are none. Zero. That didn’t bother me, which might be surprising since I’m an ex-editor.
I feel weird not loving this like all of my friends did, but what can I say? Everyone’s taste is different. I wish I had liked it more, I really do, but for me it’s 3-star material, I can’t lie. In the end I was grateful it’s a short book so I could get out of there. Did I regret reading it? No. Will I read something else by this writer? Probably not.
Don’t listen to me and my lousy 3 stars. The world loved this book. I’m from outer space.
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January 11, 2018
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January 11, 2018
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May 10, 2018
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July 26, 2018
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September 15, 2018
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June 29, 2019
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Kelly (and the Book Boar) wrote: "Great review! I've sat the fence on this one for a hot minute now. I think I'll continue to remain there - at least until my library checkouts aren't terrifying in volume like they are right now.
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Thanks, Kelly! Just remember, no one else even mentions all the description, so I think it's just me! The book you just listened to sounds awful--that detail obsession would have driven me nuts!
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Thanks, Kelly! Just remember, no one else even mentions all the description, so I think it's just me! The book you just listened to sounds awful--that detail obsession would have driven me nuts!
Great review, Debbie! And yes - I completely agree with you and your 3 ⭐ assessment. Based on the reviews, I was expecting to be blown away, but somehow I just wasn't. Good in parts, though.
Debbie wrote: "It’s tedious and boring work to have to focus on visualizing the setting, whereas it’s easy and fun to sit inside the characters’ heads and visualize their thoughts and feelings."
I do enjoy it when you refuse to move along, Debbie! This sounds like the last book my book club would choose to read before I dropped out. Very language oriented and thinky feely. I'd read The Wizard of Oz and talk about the Tin Woodsman instead. I hope you have better luck with the next one. p.s. I thought you were a time traveler instead of from outer space.
I do enjoy it when you refuse to move along, Debbie! This sounds like the last book my book club would choose to read before I dropped out. Very language oriented and thinky feely. I'd read The Wizard of Oz and talk about the Tin Woodsman instead. I hope you have better luck with the next one. p.s. I thought you were a time traveler instead of from outer space.
Wonderful review, Debbie, although I loved this, I think you did an excellent job of explaining what and why different things in this story didn't work for you.
Excellent Debbie! I have this on the wish list. I will keep it there but not rush to find it. I'm weird with descriptive writing. Sometimes I don't mind and sometimes I hate it. Depends on the author I guess. Thanks for your review 🙂
What a truly fantastic, thorough review, Debbie! You’re one of my favorite reviewers on this site. I always get such a good feel of a book when I read a review of yours, and the best part is, I’m laughing along and getting caught up in your unique thought process the entire time.
Cilantro has ruined many great meals for me—so I’m feeling you on that comparison! Lol.
Glad you were able to find some good stuff here, and I hope your next read is pogo stick-worthy 🙃
Cilantro has ruined many great meals for me—so I’m feeling you on that comparison! Lol.
Glad you were able to find some good stuff here, and I hope your next read is pogo stick-worthy 🙃
Natalie wrote: "Great review, Debbie! And yes - I completely agree with you and your 3 ⭐ assessment. Based on the reviews, I was expecting to be blown away, but somehow I just wasn't. Good in parts, though."
Thanks, Natalie! I’m glad I have a friend on Mars; it was too lonely here!
Thanks, Natalie! I’m glad I have a friend on Mars; it was too lonely here!
OMG. . . Debbie. . . are you my soulmate?? Can I help it if cilantro ruined an otherwise good meal?
Yes! Someone who finally understands me.
Yes! Someone who finally understands me.
Dianne wrote: "Aw, sorry this didn’t work for you! Onward to something better I hope!"
Just read your review and saw that you loved it. I wish I had read your version! There were so many good things about it, I just wish their was less description.
Just read your review and saw that you loved it. I wish I had read your version! There were so many good things about it, I just wish their was less description.
Joe wrote: "Debbie wrote: "It’s tedious and boring work to have to focus on visualizing the setting, whereas it’s easy and fun to sit inside the characters’ heads and visualize their thoughts and feelings." I..."
LOL! I don’t think the title made sense, either. Wizard of Oz had it down better. I should have clarified: I’m a time-traveling alien. I can multitask when I have to.
LOL! I don’t think the title made sense, either. Wizard of Oz had it down better. I should have clarified: I’m a time-traveling alien. I can multitask when I have to.
Jaline wrote: "Excellent review as always, Debbie! I'm just sorry that parts of it fell flat for you. 😢"
Thanks so much, Jaline. Yeah, it has a lot going for it, but the description overload made me unhappy!
Thanks so much, Jaline. Yeah, it has a lot going for it, but the description overload made me unhappy!
"Will I read something else by this writer? Probably not." -
probably a good idea, Debbie. Don't think you would like her book 'When God Was a Rabbit' cos I wasn't over-impressed!! Sorry this one didn't do it for you but each to their own - it would be a boring world if we all liked the same books!!
probably a good idea, Debbie. Don't think you would like her book 'When God Was a Rabbit' cos I wasn't over-impressed!! Sorry this one didn't do it for you but each to their own - it would be a boring world if we all liked the same books!!
Cheri wrote: "Wonderful review, Debbie, although I loved this, I think you did an excellent job of explaining what and why different things in this story didn't work for you."
Thanks so much, Cheri! I always feel awful when I don’t love a book that everyone else does. This one had so many good things! I just seem to have so many rules, lol!
Thanks so much, Cheri! I always feel awful when I don’t love a book that everyone else does. This one had so many good things! I just seem to have so many rules, lol!
Melanie wrote: "Excellent Debbie! I have this on the wish list. I will keep it there but not rush to find it. I'm weird with descriptive writing. Sometimes I don't mind and sometimes I hate it. Depends on the auth..."
Thanks, Melanie! Funny, sometimes description doesn’t bother me either—but it’s only when I am so in love with the book I barely see the description!
Thanks, Melanie! Funny, sometimes description doesn’t bother me either—but it’s only when I am so in love with the book I barely see the description!
Kristin (KC) - Traveling Sister wrote: "What a truly fantastic, thorough review, Debbie! You’re one of my favorite reviewers on this site. I always get such a good feel of a book when I read a review of yours, and the best part is, I’m l..."
Thank you so so much for your kind words, Kristin! Made my day. And I love to discover fellow cilantro haters! How can people like that stuff? It tastes like soap! Lol, or what I think soap tastes like!
Thank you so so much for your kind words, Kristin! Made my day. And I love to discover fellow cilantro haters! How can people like that stuff? It tastes like soap! Lol, or what I think soap tastes like!
Julie wrote: "OMG. . . Debbie. . . are you my soulmate?? Can I help it if cilantro ruined an otherwise good meal?
Yes! Someone who finally understands me."
LMAO!! You, Kristin, and I need to form the I Hate Cilantro club. That stuff is nasty!! I’ve actually heard that cilantro hatred is hereditary! I have four sibs. I know one hates it, but another loves it. I need to poll the other two. I know, I know, I should get a life!
Yes! Someone who finally understands me."
LMAO!! You, Kristin, and I need to form the I Hate Cilantro club. That stuff is nasty!! I’ve actually heard that cilantro hatred is hereditary! I have four sibs. I know one hates it, but another loves it. I need to poll the other two. I know, I know, I should get a life!
Kim wrote: ""Will I read something else by this writer? Probably not." -
probably a good idea, Debbie. Don't think you would like her book 'When God Was a Rabbit' cos I wasn't over-impressed!! Sorry this one ..."
Thanks for the warning, Kim! I will definitely stay away from Winman’s books. Yeah, it does make life interesting how we all have different tastes. It just fascinates me how I can love a book that no one else does, or not like a fan favorite.
probably a good idea, Debbie. Don't think you would like her book 'When God Was a Rabbit' cos I wasn't over-impressed!! Sorry this one ..."
Thanks for the warning, Kim! I will definitely stay away from Winman’s books. Yeah, it does make life interesting how we all have different tastes. It just fascinates me how I can love a book that no one else does, or not like a fan favorite.
I must be a Martian too because as soon as I hear atmospheric, I imagine long descriptions and can't wait to get on my rocket and zoom! Entertaining review, thanks for another warning, but we will have to diverge on cilantro.
Victoria wrote: "I must be a Martian too because as soon as I hear atmospheric, I imagine long descriptions and can't wait to get on my rocket and zoom! Entertaining review, thanks for another warning, but we will ..."
Thanks so much, Victoria. Ha, glad I'm not alone with my hate of long descriptions! How can you like that soap-tasting cilantro, lol?!
Thanks so much, Victoria. Ha, glad I'm not alone with my hate of long descriptions! How can you like that soap-tasting cilantro, lol?!
Such an entertaining review, Debbie (as are all of yours). Your talk of cilantro ruining a meal reminded me of the first time I went to the States. I liked the look of a meal on a restaurant menu but had no idea what cilantro was. I asked the server and all he could only say was that it was a green herb (this was pre-smart phones, so I couldn't Google it). He then disappeared into the kichen and returned with a sprig of said herb...
"Oh, coriander!" I enthused, as the penny dropped.
; )
"Oh, coriander!" I enthused, as the penny dropped.
; )
Debbie - I love your reviews!! 💜Regardless of how much you enjoy a book, I love reading your thoughts and your words always being a smile to my face. You’re so funny! Sorry this didn’t work out better for you. Wishing you a fabulous 5 star next!!!! 😊
Debbie wrote: "How can you like that soap-tasting cilantro, lol?!"
Because I don't have that receptor gene, so it doesn't taste like soap to me, only fresh and citrusy. Here's why...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...
Because I don't have that receptor gene, so it doesn't taste like soap to me, only fresh and citrusy. Here's why...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...
Deanna wrote: "sorry this didn't work out, Debbie! I hope your current/next read is fantastic!!! :D"
Thanks, Deanna. I defntely didn’t hate this one; it just didn’t wow me. I’m in search for a pogo-stick-worthy book!
Thanks, Deanna. I defntely didn’t hate this one; it just didn’t wow me. I’m in search for a pogo-stick-worthy book!
Victoria wrote: "Debbie wrote: "How can you like that soap-tasting cilantro, lol?!"
Because I don't have that receptor gene, so it doesn't taste like soap to me, only fresh and citrusy. Here's why...
https://www.h..."
Thanks, Victoria. This stuff fascinates me!
Because I don't have that receptor gene, so it doesn't taste like soap to me, only fresh and citrusy. Here's why...
https://www.h..."
Thanks, Victoria. This stuff fascinates me!
Kevin wrote: "Such an entertaining review, Debbie (as are all of yours). Your talk of cilantro ruining a meal reminded me of the first time I went to the States. I liked the look of a meal on a restaurant menu b..."
Thanks, Kevin! Why do you folks on the other side of the pond have such wrong names for things? Coriander? Lol. Meanwhile, I had no idea they were the same!
Thanks, Kevin! Why do you folks on the other side of the pond have such wrong names for things? Coriander? Lol. Meanwhile, I had no idea they were the same!
Lindsay - Traveling Sister wrote: "Debbie - I love your reviews!! 💜Regardless of how much you enjoy a book, I love reading your thoughts and your words always being a smile to my face. You’re so funny! Sorry this didn’t work out bet..."
Thanks so much, Lindsey, and thanks for your extra-kind words. I love it if I can bring any smiles to any faces!
Thanks so much, Lindsey, and thanks for your extra-kind words. I love it if I can bring any smiles to any faces!
Debbie, the world would be a boring place if we all thought and felt the same way on the same things! What a horrid thought! :-)
Cheri wrote: "Debbie, the world would be a boring place if we all thought and felt the same way on the same things! What a horrid thought! :-)"
So true, Cheri!
So true, Cheri!
Debbie, I love your reviews and though I don’t mind cilantro, I love your dissing references ;).
Sorry this was a letdown! Your review was not! :)
Sorry this was a letdown! Your review was not! :)
Brandice wrote: "Debbie, I love your reviews and though I don’t mind cilantro, I love your dissing references ;).
Sorry this was a letdown! Your review was not! :)"
Thanks so much, Brandice! So fascinating to me that cilantro doesn’t taste like soap to most people!
Sorry this was a letdown! Your review was not! :)"
Thanks so much, Brandice! So fascinating to me that cilantro doesn’t taste like soap to most people!
Michelle wrote: "Agreed...give me the scoop! Great review, Debbie!"
Thanks so much, Michelle! Yeah, I always choose the scoop!
Thanks so much, Michelle! Yeah, I always choose the scoop!
Sorry, you didn't fall in love with it. It's definitely among my favourite reads of this year. I have anoher Winhman novel to read and I can't wait to get stuck into it. I appreciate your honesty. X
Bianca wrote: "Sorry, you didn't fall in love with it. It's definitely among my favourite reads of this year. I have anoher Winhman novel to read and I can't wait to get stuck into it. I appreciate your honesty. X"
Oh, I wanted to love it, I really did. I didn’t hate it though, so it wasn’t a waste of time for me by any means. Glad you loved it so much!
Oh, I wanted to love it, I really did. I didn’t hate it though, so it wasn’t a waste of time for me by any means. Glad you loved it so much!
Didn’t love it either. Yes, I looked at the back cover after I’d finished, too. Wondered why I’d chosen this particular book. Still wondering. Loved the first chapter. Love your review. :)
DeB wrote: "Didn’t love it either. Yes, I looked at the back cover after I’d finished, too. Wondered why I’d chosen this particular book. Still wondering. Loved the first chapter. Love your review. :)"
Thanks so much, DeB! Glad I'm not the only outlier!
Thanks so much, DeB! Glad I'm not the only outlier!
Debbie, I don't know how I missed this review back in September (maybe because it was the week of my daughter's wedding?), but I certainly enjoyed reading it now.
We can be friends even if I love cilantro, right? And even if I loved this book?
We can be friends even if I love cilantro, right? And even if I loved this book?
JanB wrote: "Debbie, I don't know how I missed this review back in September (maybe because it was the week of my daughter's wedding?), but I certainly enjoyed reading it now.
We can be friends even if I love..."
Thanks, Jan. Of course we can still be friends, even though you’re clearly crazy to like cilantro or this book, lol! Meanwhile, you’re one of my favorite reviewers!
We can be friends even if I love..."
Thanks, Jan. Of course we can still be friends, even though you’re clearly crazy to like cilantro or this book, lol! Meanwhile, you’re one of my favorite reviewers!
Also, I checked out an audio book of one of the Spenser novels (only because Burt Reynolds was the reader and I was bummed he died). Talk about details! You hear every item of clothing everyone in the room is wearing, all of the furniture, every meal, every sip of coffee. I think I was hypnotized by Burt, but I kept thinking "oh this would drive so many of my friends batshit crazy!"