Bridge Too Close[]

...oh joy, so apparently the Season 2 finale which has just leaked to Dubai has spoilers about this too.--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...so what do we do now? Move the page to conform to the new information and spoil it for everyone else? Or do we revert and censor until A Bridge Too Close airs? -- SFH 00:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Having this at the "proper" article title would be as bad a situation as when we jumped the gun and started making Elita-1 redirects the day "Along Came a Spider" aired. It's a big spoiler.--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I vote for either protecting *ALL* Animated character pages, or setting them to be untouchable by anonymous editors, or both. I'm fucking sick of dubbed scuttlebutt killing the first story developments worth a damn we've had in 9 years. Almost nobody has actually legitimately seen these episodes; most people are just wanking over screenshots and summaries. Let's really try to keep as free of it as possible, is my vote. --Thylacine 2000 01:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Far be it from me to suggest following Wikipedia's lead, but one thing that other wiki does to stop massive edit wars or mass-vandalism on specific articles, an admin will lock the page to anon user and new accounts with instructions posted at the top of the article to leave a message on the talk page if you are unable to make a valid edit. We could save ourselves a bunch of time (and from being spoiled) by putting a similar block on the involved pages and put up a template that says something like the following:

Does Prime die? (goes best with screencap from commercial)

The subject of this article is involved with major spoilers in fiction not yet available in major markets. To avoid spoiling people, editing for anonymous users and new accounts has been disabled. If you are unable made a non-spoiler edit to this page, please leave a message describing the edit to be made on this article's talk page. --FortMax 01:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

McFeely semi-protected Sari's page after my recommendation (and a major spoiler was added) so I guess we should probably do that as well. -- SFH 02:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I like FortMax's idea...perhaps we should extend this to all of the episodes that thus far have not aired in English-speaking countries, as well. --Professor Icepick 02:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I endorse FortMax's idea wholeheartedly. This wiki should not be a breeding ground for rampant spoilers. -- Repowers 03:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I've managed to tool up. I've made it garishly yellow to draw attention to it.

Does Prime die?! The subject of this article involves major spoilers in fiction not yet available to major markets. To prevent spoiling people, editing for anonymous users and new accounts has been disabled. If you have a non-spoiler edit to propose, please discuss it on this article's talk page.

Whaddaya think?--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

That...is awesome. --Professor Icepick 03:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Perfect --FortMax 03:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

What they said. *two thumbs up* -- Repowers 03:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't think it could be better. --Sntint 03:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

...but if you really want a consensus, a page that people may avoid on sight of the title may not be the best place to test it out? I don't really think anyone will have a problem with it, anyway. --Sntint 03:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I dig it.--AWT88 03:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

FIRE AT WILL. If it's not too much of a hassle, can this be done for ALL Animated character / vehicle / object / beyond-Canada episode pages? Maybe something important has already happened to the AllSpark and nobody has blabbed about it yet, but will decide to next week; why continue to basically force some staff members to be on Spoiler Reading Patrol, when we can just nip all problems in the bud? --Thylacine 2000 17:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't want to just remove the banner, since I may be overlooking something, but since both parts of ABtC aired in the US this weekend, which major markets are still shut out?

A Bridge too Close II[]

So, now that A Bridge Too Close has aired, what do we do with this page now? -- SFH 00:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Wellsir, I'd say moving it to Omega Supreme (Animated) would be the thing to do. Opinions? - Chris McFeely 01:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I thought we were not doing moves or redirects like this (or any spoilers outside of the fiction section, marked as such) until 1 week after the episode aired in America. (I.e. in 2 weeks.) -Derik 02:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I think we need another week, 'course it's already been moved so I'm not sure if it's worth the effort to switch it back. (Undecided) 05:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Come to think of it, we're going to need to rewrite the whole article. That is unless we consider the sparkless ship and Omega Supreme as different entities. From what I can tell the ship was built out of the dead body of Supreme, and could be considered a separate object from the character (he was dead during that time after all). There wasn't a trace of him before the allspark revived him, his processor was taken over by Teletran I and most of his memory was either offline, or had been deleted and took Sari's key to restore. If you died and your body rose from the grave as a mindless, soulless zombie, would you consider that entity to be you? (Undecided) 05:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Impactor called. He said the answer is "Braiiiiins..."

(Which I take to mean 'yes.') -Derik 08:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

And I've moved it back by the most roundabout method imaginable. Let's actually WAIT this time, shall we? Mecheon 12:48, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, this is going to be a tricky rewrite.[]

See, the intro paragraph is going to be a tightrope walk on our "no spoilers in the intro paragraph" rule. I certainly don't know how to approach it, and have discarded several of my own attempts already.--Rosicrucian^Talk 16:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

"Omega Supreme was an old friend of Ratchet's during the war. Endlessly loyal and ready to sacrifice himself before allowing others to come to harm, he is considered one of the greatest heroes of Cybertron." -Derik 16:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, but you kind of do have to mention that he's the ship or else you end up with how it reads now with the fiction section making no damn sense.--Rosicrucian^Talk 16:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

As I said above, the easiest way to organize this would be to make the ship and Omega have two separate entries. This would also make spoilers easier to avoid. (Undecided) 18:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

His first appearance is A Bridge Too Close. Put the spoiler tag at the TOP of the fiction section, and add a note below that about the revelations from AB2C changing the context of all his previous appearances- and say he's the ship. Essentially- his entire fiction section is now a spoiler. (Which I don't think is unreasonable. If he's TRULY had his first appearance in AB2C, then the entire contents of his fictions section would still be a spoiler. -Derik 18:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Image[]

can someone get the picture of him firing hidden weapons at the seekers? A caption would be "Weapons: Kickass" 16:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

It could be, but seeing as how this Omega Supreme doesn't speak like that, it wouldn't be my first choice. Metal Gear NOIZE 16:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

For such a picture, I suggest: "Slagging Decepticons: It's Like Riding A Bike." Or some variation thereof. 68.184.84.165 06:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

What about thefirst caption? And he talks more like pre-robosmasher supreme in my opinion. Maybe when he returns he will? (I like current better)Cycloneprime 16:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

He sounds like Scott McNeil's take on Omega Supreme if you ask me, what with the deep voice and no reverb.Metal Gear NOIZE 22:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ignoring the spoiler warning[]

Seeing as every attempt I make at actually adhering to the spoiler policy, as seen in (Slow) action on Shockwave and Longarm Prime here, is getting reverted, does anyone actually give a damn you're spoiling people with just the name of this article, never mind the bloody content? Of course, if we had an Autobot Ship page, like we used to before someone got merge happy, we wouldn't be having this little problem, would we? Mecheon 12:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I have a problem with it- but there's this wierd double-standard of- "Yeah, it'd be better if there wasn't articles for these characters at all," and "Well, anyone can create an article, so it's unrealistic to expect them not not exist, so having resigned ourselves to the fact there WILL BE an Omega Supreme (Animated) article- how can we minimize its spoileriness?"

And technically, there's no reason the existence of a character with a certain name is a spoiler. The fact there's a character named "Cyclonus" in Armada doesn't tell you... anything. Omega Supreme could be a Hot Dog cart with a re-used name, in theory. (In practice, he's not. ANIMATED IS A FAR G1-ier universe than most, and names are themselves spoilers.)

That doesn't mean this was done right. Whoever MOVED the Autobot ship article here (for instance,) screwed up. (I think we have 2 articles again now...) and it really seems like all the declarative statements of "Keep the spoilers contained!" by people who were pissed about having the ending of Autoboot Camp spoiled were thrown by the wayside since "Whee, the season's over!"

But we're still trying to keep spoilers confined to the fiction section and-- *pause*

*reads the article*

What the hell? The first line of this thing is a spoiler. And there's a picture! It hasn't even aired int he US yet, what happened to "respecting spoilers for viewers who haven't seen the episode yet, and trying not to spoil someone just because they clicked on an article about a character they don't recognize?" Aarugh!!!

I take it back, you have a right to be upset. -Derik 12:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the pages should be separated. Especially for Omega Supreme, considering he has just appeared a few days ago. (Tribor 12:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC))

It's still been released in Canada, and probably the UK. Two major markets. You can see the episodes on YouTube, so you have every opportunity to see the episode. Thyunda 12:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

We could still try to avoid spoilers. I wouldn't want to be one :to walk into the show only recently, only to have the ending of :the second season already revealed simply because I wanted to :know if Omega Supreme was going to appear.

Perhaps we could at least put a spoiler warning?

(Tribor 12:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC))

What is going on with this article? It's title and opening paragraph are all Omega Supreme, but then the Fiction section is all about Autobot ship. The trivia section mentions both. Why is there no updated info for the season 2 finale in the Fiction section? Avoiding spoilers in the Fiction section, but not the Trivia section? And if anyone reads the title/first paragraph AND the Fiction section, it's all pretty much outlined. It's like someone is going out of the way to avoid talking about Omega Supreme the Autobot ship in the same sections without regard to adjacent sections. I don't get it! (All of this pretty much sums up my feelings regarding the way the season finale updates were handled here. Let's look at the recent updates. Oh, look at that! Female Starscream, eh? Omega Supreme (Animated) you say? Why do I bother to watch the episodes when I can just look at the article titles in the recent updates and know what's going to happen?)- Crockalley 15:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know-- it's an ungodly mess. Some idiot MOVED the Autobot ship page to Omega Supreme (a big no-no)- and there was an immediate scuffle on talk pages about it- so it it seems like people avoided the fiction section so they didn't get penalized for adding spoilers. But as the day wore on, edits from AB2C kinda 'leaked' over into thei article, mostly as trivia bits, then someoen added the robot mode pic and rewrote the top bio apparently reasoning "Well I guess we are updating this thing..." but there was another scuffle before anyone hit the fiction section (which normally would have been done at the same time everyone was doing all the Starscream clone articles.)

Oh- also there was a debate about "How do we rewrite the fiction section to reflect he's been OS since the season 1 premiere-- without spoiling readers PRIOR to the section for AB2C, which is where the spoiler tag would be." (The answer was to move the spoiler tag tot he start of the section, because the entire section is now a spoiler. But by the time that was decided on the slew of finale edits had kinda petered out.) That answer your question?

(I think we need to either revise our spoiler tag, or have a different spoiler tag that points not just to our policy about when NOT to include information, but is more of a guide about 'how to treat spoiler-y information within articles.') -Derik 17:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me for living, you brat. Somehow, I got the impression when McFeely said (And you can see it earlier in the Talk page) that it should be moved, SOMEONE was gonna do it, and I happened to be on at the time. In conclusion, bite me, bollocks. GWolfv2 13.55 July 5 2008 (UTC)

Blegh. A well-intentioned mistake then. A mess all around. -Derik 17:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, Derik. What can be done about article titles as spoilers? Like, the episode of Animated that airs in Kookamunga four weeks before it airs in the US and features Unicron, then someone creates the Unicron (Animated) article... you get the idea. Specifically, the title of this very article is spoilerish. Should there be any policy on holding off on creating articles that would have spoilery titles? -Crockalley 14:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Short of putting them on a title blacklist (which requires our admins to spoil THEMSELVES) nto really. And once they're locked out it's virtually inevitable that somewone will create Talk: Unicron (Animated) or ==Unicron== as a new header on the Animated cartoon talk page, or add him to the cast list, or...

*shrug* -Derik 18:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Although I feel compelled to point out that there should never be a Unicron (Animated) article, because Unicron is a multiversal singularity.  ;) -Derik 18:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Nerd. ;) -Crockalley 15:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Is there some nomenclature we can come up with to actually spoiler-protect the title? Such as, to use your example, "U****** (A*******)"? It's easy enough to de-censor the title when the spoiler-window has passed. I doubt there's a "quiet" way to make a redirect for people searching for the term during the spoiler-time, but it's a thought. - Jackpot 07:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Two great tastes that taste great apart[]

I'll say it again, but I think the best way to do it is to have two articles for Omega and the ship, Ratchet himself said that Omega hadn't been alive for the previous two seasons. Keep the Autobot ship article the same, except with events of A Bridge Too Close and link to Omega. Then keep the fact that Omega was the ship out of the top of his page, putting the spoilers in the fiction section, starting with ABTC and an "a long time ago". Sound good? (Undecided) 08:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I've altered the articles accordingly (only I used Teletran-1 as the repository for all the just-a-ship info, suggesting we get rid of Autobot ship (Animated)). I've also started a discussion on Talk:Teletran-1 about this whole article-split/merge deal. For what it's worth, having reworked this article as well now.... I think even more that I made the right call. All the minutiae about what the 'Bots did with the dormant ship really has little bearing on Omega Supreme as a character. And the ship-plus-AI is enough of its own deal that I think it deserves its own page too. - Jackpot 06:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

'Taxidermized'[]

... is a real word, according to the OED (first attested use 1889). For what it's worth. Tribimat 08:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't suppose the OED has any support for "taxidermied," does it? - Jackpot 20:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

'Fraid not. I also checked for a verb 'to taxidermy' from which it could be formed as a participial adjective, but that isn't attested either. Does it make this conversation more or less weird when I say that I do this sort of thing for a living? :-) Tribimat 20:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course it's a real word. I put it there, didn't I? -hx 21:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

wait a second[]

Ratchet said that omega was put in satsis lock after his spark died right so he should be in article dead ,but alive —The preceding unsigned comment was added by N.M.E (talk • contribs).

Well, he's alive now.Metal Gear NOIZE 20:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed contents[]

Already written in different way, or possible need to be rephrased.

• Back in the great war between the Autobots and the Decepticons Omega Supreme was top secret, so what happened to him after the war was probably top secret too. Ratchet stayed with Omega even when he was repurposed to be a maintenance ship. So when Optimus became the ship's Captain, and asked Ratchet what type of defenses it had, Ratchet probably told him "activate Emergency Defense Program: Codename: Omega". Was the code to activate the ship's weapons, and never mentioned that it was Omega Supreme.