[23:00:10] <exiledjedi>	Welcome to meeting 14
[23:00:19] <Cade|Mobile>	I'll be fading in and out
[23:00:22] <dogma>	Record setting attendance
[23:00:41] <exiledjedi>	Old articles
[23:01:08] <dogma>	We can probably do all the old planets together, right?
[23:01:15] <Cade|Mobile>	Yes
[23:01:25] <Cade|Mobile>	Where's preem and Tope
[23:01:38] <exiledjedi>	I'll list the old articles so you can review each one:
[23:01:53] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aaghra
[23:01:55] <dogma>	nvm then Tope :P
[23:02:08] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aar
[23:02:16] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abanol
[23:02:24] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abatrarg
[23:02:52] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abregado-dai
[23:02:56] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abregado-fus
[23:03:02] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abregado-san
[23:03:07] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abregado-taki
[23:03:12] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Affavan
[23:03:18] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aylayl
[23:03:23] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darkon_III
[23:03:29] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dirha
[23:03:39] <exiledjedi>	All of these had Atlas speculation
[23:03:57] <exiledjedi>	I'll give us all a few minutes to check them over.
[23:04:27] <dogma>	Aar has atlas grid coordinates in main article
[23:04:40] <dogma>	I'll kill it
[23:05:02] <exiledjedi>	Excised
[23:05:26] <dogma>	Going to fix a minor reffing prob there, sec
[23:05:37] <Cade|Mobile>	Keep all I think
[23:06:09] <Toprawa>	I confess I didn't actually look at them.
[23:06:16] <Toprawa>	I will vote keep if you guys are satisfied
[23:06:18] <dogma>	Wait, is the Aar system supposed to be sourced to Atlas, or companion?
[23:06:28] <dogma>	Infobox and body are sourcing to diff things
[23:06:41] <Toprawa>	It probably shouldn't matter
[23:06:47] <exiledjedi>	Both have it.
[23:06:51] <Toprawa>	The Atlas index is mostly identical to the Companion
[23:07:01] <Toprawa>	But it's nice to keep them the same for consistency
[23:07:06] <dogma>	Should I change it for consistency, so the system is sourced the same way both times?
[23:07:12] <Cade|Mobile>	Atlas is usually the first, since it was first
[23:07:26] <Toprawa>	Change it to Atlas, provided it's in Atlas
[23:07:55] <exiledjedi>	It is in the Atlas.
[23:07:57] <dogma>	did so
[23:08:06] <Cade|Mobile>	EJ has my vote if I don't respond.
[23:08:55] <dogma>	dai had coordinates, killed them
[23:09:15] <CorellianPremier>	Good catch
[23:09:33] <dogma>	well, I will when my internet isn't being naughty >.>
[23:10:28] <exiledjedi>	Whoever fixed these missed the coordinates.
[23:10:34] <dogma>	taki had em too
[23:11:55] <exiledjedi>	Whenever you guys are ready.
[23:12:05] <dogma>	2 to go
[23:13:09] <dogma>	Dirha might benifit from 25-29 aby being added in the body, but that's not a reason to kill it
[23:13:57] <dogma>	Keep all
[23:14:13] <CorellianPremier>	Yep, keep all
[23:14:49] <Toprawa>	I kind of disagree.
[23:15:00] <exiledjedi>	Yeah, that last one needs to be fixed.
[23:15:08] <Toprawa>	The years should be in the body if they're in the infobox
[23:15:19] <Toprawa>	It should be a simple matter
[23:15:25] <dogma>	I can do it
[23:15:28] <Toprawa>	ok
[23:15:40] <Cade|Mobile>	Actually, wait
[23:15:49] <Cade|Mobile>	Should that population even be there?
[23:16:03] <exiledjedi>	Where?
[23:16:21] <Cade|Mobile>	Ah, never mind :P
[23:16:50] <Cade|Mobile>	Confused it with the population ones
[23:17:48] <exiledjedi>	dogma?
[23:18:11] <dogma>	yep?
[23:18:21] <exiledjedi>	Are you fixing it?
[23:18:23] <dogma>	Fixing it now, but I think the date can further be refined
[23:18:54] <Toprawa>	How so?
[23:20:05] <dogma>	The vong only hit hutt space after Fondor I believe
[23:20:22] <Cade|Mobile>	Ah, he's right
[23:20:23] <exiledjedi>	I'm seeing where the information is and it doesn't mention when it happened.
[23:20:34] <dogma>	Which was in 25 ABY, but near the end
[23:20:44] <Cade|Mobile>	But we know when they started attacking Hutt space
[23:20:52] <exiledjedi>	How do we know it was part of the main Hutt Space invasion?
[23:21:25] <Toprawa>	It's a bit of an extrapolation, but I think it's sound
[23:21:42] <exiledjedi>	I'll vote to extend this, but I don't want to spend 15 minutes trying to fix it now.
[23:21:50] <dogma>	Wait, what is sound?
[23:22:00] <Toprawa>	Extend
[23:22:09] <Cade|Mobile>	Extend
[23:22:09] <dogma>	k, extend
[23:22:13] <exiledjedi>	Extend Dirha, keep the rest
[23:22:19] <dogma>	I fixed it without the new dates
[23:22:19] <CorellianPremier>	Sure, extend
[23:22:31] <dogma>	Keep all but dirha
[23:22:39] <Toprawa>	Keep all others
[23:23:04] <exiledjedi>	All right, all kept but Dirha, which was extended until next meeting.
[23:23:15] <exiledjedi>	One left: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BARC_speeder_%28two-person%29
[23:23:26] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/BARC_speeder_%28two-person%29
[23:23:59] <Toprawa>	Keep
[23:24:04] <exiledjedi>	Keep
[23:24:22] <CorellianPremier>	Yep, keep
[23:24:34] <exiledjedi>	dogma or Cade?
[23:24:34] <dogma>	keep
[23:24:51] <exiledjedi>	All right, speeder kept.
[23:25:08] <exiledjedi>	Onto new articles:
[23:25:09] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Diyu
[23:25:11] <Toprawa>	I'm assuming nothing was done to the new articles other than the two Winterz says he kept?
[23:25:19] <Toprawa>	We could just group these to save time
[23:25:22] <exiledjedi>	Okay
[23:25:28] <Toprawa>	They all have the same issue
[23:25:33] <dogma>	per tope
[23:25:47] <exiledjedi>	All but Evas VI and Greater Galam
[23:25:49] <dogma>	Let's do winterz's ones first
[23:25:55] <exiledjedi>	Okay, sure
[23:26:09] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Evas_VI
[23:26:43] <Toprawa>	Look's ok
[23:26:45] <Toprawa>	Spare
[23:26:47] <exiledjedi>	Spare
[23:26:49] <dogma>	yep, spare
[23:27:02] <Cade|Mobile>	Spare
[23:27:12] <exiledjedi>	Evas VI spared.
[23:27:31] <exiledjedi>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Greater_Galam
[23:27:50] <Toprawa>	um
[23:28:05] <Toprawa>	Nevermind
[23:28:20] <dogma>	mention of coordinates in BtS?
[23:28:47] <dogma>	Primary terrain - gas giant?
[23:28:49] <dogma>	:P
[23:28:58] <exiledjedi>	I'd say that stuff about native flora and fauna not existing is speculation unless it specifically states that.
[23:29:02] <Toprawa>	Remove that terrain
[23:29:02] <dogma>	Is that acceptable?
[23:29:07] <Toprawa>	That's unnecessary
[23:29:35] <CorellianPremier>	Yep
[23:29:38] <dogma>	Yeah, it could have had floating thingies in the atmosphere
[23:29:38] <Toprawa>	Yeah, per EJ
[23:29:44] <Toprawa>	Indeed
[23:29:48] <Toprawa>	Bespin does, for example
[23:29:51] <exiledjedi>	I'm voting probe.
[23:29:57] <Toprawa>	Probe
[23:30:05] <dogma>	probity probe
[23:30:25] <CorellianPremier>	Probe it
[23:30:38] <exiledjedi>	Greater Galam probed.
[23:30:54] <exiledjedi>	All of the rest:
[23:30:57] <exiledjedi>	Probe
[23:31:04] <Toprawa>	Probe the rest
[23:31:17] <dogma>	^
[23:31:19] <CorellianPremier>	Definitely
[23:31:28] <exiledjedi>	Rest of the new articles are probed.
[23:31:48] <exiledjedi>	Now, for my proposal.
[23:32:01] <exiledjedi>	Here is the first part.
[23:32:20] <CorellianPremier>	Gotta go
[23:32:57] <exiledjedi>	Only members of the Inquisitorius, AgriCorps, or EduCorps are allowed to archive comprehensive article nominations.
[23:33:29] <exiledjedi>	Cade: Here is part one of my proposal. 
[23:33:37] <exiledjedi>	Only members of the Inquisitorius, AgriCorps, or EduCorps are allowed to archive comprehensive article nominations.
[23:33:44] <Toprawa>	Support
[23:33:47] <exiledjedi>	Support
[23:33:56] <dogma>	Meh, archiving CANs before I was EC is what taught me how to do them
[23:34:11] <dogma>	I guess I'll support though
[23:34:11] <exiledjedi>	SE gave me his support.
[23:34:38] <exiledjedi>	CP said that he would be fine with changes.
[23:34:46] <exiledjedi>	So, part one is passed.
[23:34:54] <exiledjedi>	Part two
[23:35:14] <exiledjedi>	You may not archive your own comprehensive article nomination.
[23:35:32] <Cade|Mobile>	Support
[23:35:45] <exiledjedi>	Support
[23:35:56] <dogma>	Well, I trust some to do it, but not others, so support
[23:36:17] <exiledjedi>	CP and SE also support.
[23:36:20] <exiledjedi>	Tope?
[23:36:25] <Toprawa>	I abstain.
[23:36:42] <Toprawa>	Unless there's something specifically going on with the CAN, I don't think it's much of an issue
[23:36:51] <Toprawa>	I wouldn't like to see the same measure enacted for the Inq and AC
[23:37:01] <Cade|Mobile>	Actually, yeah
[23:37:11] <exiledjedi>	But, you can't archive your own nomination, can you?
[23:37:18] <Toprawa>	You can
[23:37:24] <Toprawa>	There's nothing restricting it
[23:37:32] <Toprawa>	It used to be an unwritten rule in the early Inq, when people were dishonest
[23:37:48] <Toprawa>	But I think people today are more trustworthy, so it's not an issue
[23:37:58] <exiledjedi>	I thought I saw a rule somewhere.
[23:38:43] <Toprawa>	The problem used to be that you didn't need to have all objections stricken for a nom to be successful
[23:38:51] <Toprawa>	As long as you got the number of votes needed, you could archive it at any time
[23:39:02] <Toprawa>	So nominators used to archive their own noms and ignore objections
[23:39:02] <exiledjedi>	Well, I'll just drop part two then.
[23:39:11] <Cade|Mobile>	Cool.
[23:39:15] <exiledjedi>	Part one was my main concern.
[23:39:23] <Toprawa>	I have a small thing I wanted to bring up before we end.
[23:39:28] <exiledjedi>	Okay.
[23:39:35] <Toprawa>	Just a reviewing note for everyone to keep in mind.
[23:39:59] <Toprawa>	Now that the Legends continuity is ended, many articles' BTS sections are written incorrectly as if there might still be new sources coming.
[23:40:05] <Toprawa>	Example of a change I just made: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Greater_Galam?curid=177554&diff=5310217&oldid=5240684
[23:40:23] <dogma>	cool
[23:40:25] <Toprawa>	Phrases like "first mentioned" if there's only one Appearance/Source, or "only mention in canon to date," etc.
[23:40:31] <Toprawa>	Watch out for this and change it when you see it
[23:40:35] <exiledjedi>	Well, there's still TOR and FFG.
[23:40:40] <Cade|Mobile>	^^
[23:40:47] <Toprawa>	Yes, but the vast majority of things will never be mentioned or appear again
[23:40:57] <Toprawa>	So it's safe to just assume they won't be
[23:41:10] <Toprawa>	If something is mentioned in FFG, then we can make changes in the rare instances it happens
[23:41:16] <exiledjedi>	first mentioned doesn't really say that it will be mentioned again.
[23:41:59] <Toprawa>	It's redundant to say something was first mentioned if it was its only mention
[23:42:10] <Toprawa>	It implies there are or could be more mentions
[23:42:19] <exiledjedi>	Okay, I guess I have articles to fix then.
[23:42:35] <Toprawa>	That's not so much the issue as phrases like "only mention to date"
[23:42:39] <Toprawa>	That's what I'm really talking about
[23:42:45] <Toprawa>	You guys know what I mean
[23:42:49] <Toprawa>	Change it when you see it
[23:43:27] <exiledjedi>	All right.
[23:43:35] <exiledjedi>	Anything else?
[23:43:48] <Toprawa>	Not from me
[23:44:16] <dogma>	Nope
[23:44:19] <exiledjedi>	If there is not anything else, here are the duties:
[23:44:25] <exiledjedi>	I'm on scheduling.
[23:44:26] <dogma>	Who's on paperwork and scheduling?
[23:44:34] <exiledjedi>	SE is on paperwork.
[23:44:41] <dogma>	k
[23:44:48] <exiledjedi>	Thank you all for showing up.