Talk: Temporaryeditor78

PROTIP: don't argue if you're here to bitch about reverted edits. 90% of the time you fucked up by not reading up on the wiki's manuals of style or simply following the prevailing setup used in similar pages.

for the few instances i could be wrong - yes, we're all just human - or if you wish to ask about other matters, feel free to post your thoughts. no promises on response, however, i got mouths to feed IRL.

old stuff

Root category[]

Hi Temp, Happy New Year to you!

I was just wondering whether it'd be ok for me to merge the categories "Browse" and "Mass Effect Wiki". They both serve as top-level categories for the wiki, but merging them under the site name (rather than the generic default "Browse"), would make best use of the wiki's infrastructure and help with SEO.

Cheers!

--Bluerock (talk) 17:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

happy 2021 as well.

was it ever recommended to deprecate the browse category once a wiki gets bigger? seems it's a holdover with no compelling reason to keep nowadays, so i'm good with the merge. . . T̶͙̝͍̖̤̞͂̅̿̆́̕̚͝͡e̮̬͚̪͐̅̒̿͟͡m͚̮̣̪̟̦̫̺̝̏̍̄̾̅̽͂ͅp̶̳̥̣̥͓͆̃̋͊́̈̈́̊́̏o̸͉̰̞̖̖̰̟͂̉̈́̍̐͂̚̚͜͠r̛͙͇̦̈́̀̔͐̒͆̽͛͜͜͡a̵̺̣͕̗͗̇̅́̐͒͂̚͟r̺͓͕̰͙͚͙̋̏͐͌͂̍̐̀́̚y̴͉̜͎̜͙͍̞̠͊̄̃̍̋ͅͅḛ̴̙͉͙̠̐̿̄͗͆̈̽͞d̳̙̫͎̝̝̜̘̂̀̍́̀̇͗̄̕͜͟į̴̜̯̗̦̹̻̬̓́̀̓͛̓́̆̇͆ţ̸͍͔̠͍̐̋͋̑͑̉̀̀͞͝ǒ̧̱̣̠̲̣̜̤͙̉̋̾̄̈̕ṟ̛̦͕̖̗͖̱̤̰̪͛́̀̆̑̔͂̃̕7̨̮͎̤̣̞̣̦̞̿̾̓̊̏͑͗̾͌͜8̷̳̻̗̼̙͎́̄̔̀̓͘͝ . 17:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Not so much when a wiki gets bigger, just that it's good practise to carry out these days. Thanks, I will get on to this soon then (I'll probably use a bot to help/minimize disruption). --Bluerock (talk) 19:08, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Water Cooler[]

I was looking over the Forum:Watercooler trying to add a new topic only to see the buttons to do that were removed. Why were they? Is there now a new, more appropriate place for such inquiries? --Incursor (talk) 08:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

forums as a whole were deprecated by fandom. we're supposed to be using discussions now for such things. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 08:52, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding my recent edits[]

I need to hear your reason why you have rollback my recent edits since they are quoted directly from the text of their respective entries, Leviathan Enthrallment Team and Awakened Collector Adept. AnonymousAnomani (talk) 19:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

that's exactly the problem. you're just copypasting what can be read when clicking the relevant link nearby. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I am only following the wikia guidelines using sources in verbatim. There is no policy in Writing that I've read that's against copypasting from the source. AnonymousAnomani (talk) 14:42, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

the point of having articles is to be able to use your own words. otherwise the wiki is just codices, descriptions and nothing else. learn the distinctions. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 14:59, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

the counterargument in using your own words is that they are inherently subjective to comfirmation bias and therefore argued for removal or rollbacks in terms of redunancy and/or speculation. If articles are quoted directly from the source, then they are not opinionated against the wikia's manual of style.AnonymousAnomani (talk) 19:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

only people too dense to get the gist will argue semantics when the verbatim shit is just a clickable link away, and these are swiftly taken care of. we are building a wiki to be presentable, and needless repetition is not the way to go.

you have your answer.T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 19:25, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Threats of Ignoring "Warnings"[]

Wondered if my latest edits would cause you to make noise, and right on cue...

Claiming that an editor is somehow ignoring your "warnings" simply by making edits you arbitrarily consider "TL;DR" as a pretext for imposing any sanctions on that editor as Admin is an abuse of power and will be appealed to the CM if acted upon. It's poor practice, when you could easily just create a Talk entry respectfully asking that I trim down an edit (or trim it down yourself, what a concept) rather than resorting immediately to threats, though it's par for the course for your way of running this place through intimidation rather than respecting (to say nothing of appreciating) people's good faith efforts. Tellingly, your latest "warning" did not come with any revert, Talk entry, or specific critique of any of the actual content of what I added and is merely general whining about it being long, because you're annoyed for some reason that I did what an editor is supposed to do: added information to a page that didn't exist anywhere before, information that will be useful to people who come to this site in the future. I have a long track record now of editing this Wiki making a good faith effort to adhere to its rules (which you well know), which means you do not have any basis to treat my edits as some kind of intentional attempt to flout the rules, even if the edit is not to your personal liking. Even if an editor does make a mistake or sub-par edit, this Wiki doesn't operate on some "three strikes and you're out" system at the whim of the Admin where you get to reach back in time and claim that every comment or correction you ever gave an editor on how to edit correctly was somehow a "warning" they ignored; people make mistakes, even you, as this very Talk page admits, only nobody's going to throw their weight around at you when you do.

FYI, your threat has also been thoroughly screenshotted since you didn't make it a Talk entry and to note you didn't actually revert or alter the substance of anything I did (likely because you have no argument that any of it is actually redundant or rule-breaking somehow). Ale89515 (talk) 00:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

i have already reminded you multiple times to keep things short and simple. you're simply unable to abide by it, as evidenced by that eyesore you call a rebuttal above.

going forward i will not be as lenient. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 00:47, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

The "eyesore" is not for your benefit. It is for evidence explaining my position in detail, should this escalate (which seems to be your preferred way to interact with anyone who edits here) Ale89515 (talk) 00:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

and for the record i don't give a rat's ass who that's directed at. everything is logged on wikis anyway.

start cleaning up after your shit or they're out. infodumping is just one part of editing. the more difficult part is making it presentable, and editors are expected to handle it themselves as much as possible since i am not always around to police here despite fantasies to the contrary. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 01:02, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

I have always policed my own edits. I may trim down my most recent changes as it's somewhat a work in progress and it occurred to me that some of the info may work better in another section or page. However what is presentable and what isn't, what is a "wall of text" and what isn't is subjective and open to debate, despite fantasies to the contrary. What isn't open to debate is that editors, and Admins, are expected to communicate respectfully. What is not subjective is that threats, profanity laden tirades, and dismissive responses are not respectful. Ale89515 (talk) 01:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Rollback of PC Tweaks for ME1, regarding the Black Blob Glitch[]

Your note on the rollback states that the fix is "already noted". However there is no mention of it and not even the old viewmode unlit method is referenceable since the viewmode command inst even part of the list of console commands. Could you point out where on that page the glitch is "noted"?

178.12.34.181 19:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Noveria: Matriarch Benezia03:03, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposal Post[]

Was this proposal post created correctly? Forum:Overhaul_of_Squad_Members_Guides I read over the guidelines but what is the procedure for consideration now? Ale89515 (talk) 17:20, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

page is created properly. i will have to delay feedback for a few days due to other concerns. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 20:24, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Thread editing[]

"Who the hell gave you permission to edit my comments." Well, who the hell gave you permission to edit mine. You are the one who first reordered someone else's comments on that thread. Follow your own rules. DaBarkspawn (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

i'm sorry, what were you lying about again? T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 20:56, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you are sorry. As in "a sorry excuse for a wiki admin". You rearranged paragraphs first, not me. Stop projecting attack when you can't defend the truth. DaBarkspawn (talk) 21:07, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

do you know how to read prev logs? i'm guessing not. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 21:09, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I do and your guess is wrong. Not surprising, but wrong. My following interleaved thread style is not the same thing as you wholesale moving paragraphs around, which is the other half of what you whined about and which you yourself did. DaBarkspawn (talk) 21:31, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

oh fuck, imagine imposing other wikis' standards over the rules of an entire wiki you haven't actually been contributing correctly on.

this is too damn rich.

listen here you entitled halfwit, -YOU- started this, not me. any objective third party can see the same publicly available logs, come to the same conclusion, and support me if and when i take remedial action should you pull off the same stunt the next time. your alternative facts have no place here. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 02:25, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

HAHAHA. Comedy gold again. You really should take this on the road. There are two super funny things here. One is your hair trigger temper that goes off when anyone factually disagrees with you and shows you that you are wrong. Your lashing out says things about you, not about me. Just to be very clear, my self-image is in no way dependent on anything you say or do, so you can give up with that stuff because it won't work. Clearly you need to go back to kindergarten where they taught the sticks and stones rule, you obviously missed that lesson. That does lead to the other hysterical part of this, the Little Tin Godhood you have assumed for yourself whenever you threaten people with "remedial action" or whatever. Dude, this wiki is an insignificant portion of my life, as compared to work, friends, spouse or even other wikis. If I never edit here again, it's no big loss to me, so don't act like you are threatening me somehow, because you aren't. This Little Tin Godhood also makes you assert that generally accepted, widespread standards (not just of wikipedia, but of most other wikis, email, Facebook, other places) is somehow "imposing other wikis' standards" - you refuse to admit to the larger world around your little tin domain. Speaking of objective third parties, though, I used the same interleaving comment style in the forum post about squad guides and Ale89515 managed to not throw a temper tantrum about it. The problem isn't me, the problem as evidenced by scores of hostile threads in the archives of this page, is you. Grow up. DaBarkspawn (talk) 16:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

New policy and your behavior[]

Hey there, I've been recently assigned as Fandom Wiki Representative to the Mass Effect Wiki (as someone who greatly enjoyed Mass Effect games). There are two things I'd like to touch upon:

First, a new policy is going into effect on April 1st, regarding wiki rules and blocking. You can read the whole blog here:

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Introducing_the_Wiki_Rules_and_Blocking_Policy

The gist of it is that we're moving towards actively fostering a culture of clear rule-setting and understandable consequences, rather than users getting banned for unknown or unfair reasons.

Second, and tied to the above, is your behavior. I don't think it needs elaborating upon, but your consistent hostility and verbal abuse directed towards other users, especially those you disagree with, are a violation both of the new policy and of the existing Terms of Use of Fandom Wikis, specifically the User Section part, point one.

Flying under the radar is not tacit permission for such behavior, neither for new users, nor for established, talented editors such as yourself. In fact, as an administrator and a person of considerable editing experience, you're supposed to set the standard.

As such, if your behavior does not change, I'm afraid we'll have to remove your admin privileges. Tägäżïël 15:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

pretty sure you folks are just required to hand out the proper due notice to other admins in other wikis as well, but whatevs. might as well write my side for once.

i really don't mind being a regular grunt except for the fact that there will be nobody left to clean up after the inevitable mess by editors and vandals, manage css settings, housekeep files, set actual boundaries on what can and can't be on the wiki as per established precedent. this last thing is probably the point of contention for most complaints against me, but i am merely enforcing what i was given. can't help it if people choose to be offended when i'm just stating facts.

most of my colleagues are inactive. i didn't seek the job, they elevated me here for my skillset. i just wanted to upload pics, though as more of them retired i had to handle everything else - including PR, which was never my strong suit. funny thing is, if they're still around most of the complaints against me wouldn't hold water since they'll agree i was justified in reverting/blocking someone. and complainers would also malign them anyway for being enablers of tyrannical rule etc.

i can and have worked with people i disagree with in the past. there have been numerous occasions i was mistaken and let things stand or slide since the other party was actually right upon verification. pretty sure most of the vocal complaints against me are from people who don't actually contribute anything, or if they did they do so under willing ignorance of the rules then playing victim when called out on it. i'm very much aware of their shitslinging in other wikis, though i can't and will not be bothered to respond to mere attempts at stirring up drama. their records here speak for themselves.

if you're putting yourself up for a more active role here, or if fandom is willing to assign paid staff for dedicated tasks on this wiki, i don't mind. i'd actually welcome it, so when people complain other voices can come in and confirm they're doing things wrong. picking from local editors isn't a possibility at this point, since there's barely anyone as it is. this is just an unfortunate downside of working alone for so long everything a bunch of entitled whiners dislike about a wiki is conflated and misblamed on the one guy still doing everything and calling it "toxic". T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 22:21, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's "pretty sure", given that I posted a separate notice prior, before taking a closer look at your interactions. To be clear, I don't fault your contributions, since you have expanded the wiki tremendously and contributed a great deal.

The problem is specifically your abusive behavior towards other users. It's hard for me to believe that they're "playing the victim", where you go out of your way to insult them and behave in a manner unbecoming of a sysop on a wiki. I've gone further back and the records do speak for themselves: You are behaving in a manner that actively drives people away. These two elements are interrelated. I'm not sure how anyone is supposed to feel encouraged to participate in editing (much less community activities) if your approach is to call them "entitled halfwits" (above), or virtually any page from your archive. Complaints about your behavior also go back months, if not years.

From where I'm sitting, it seems you feel obligated by your user rights to maintain a hard line on the wiki. You can simply resign the rights and I'll keep a closer eye on the wiki until another person interested in maintaining the wiki can be found. You'll also be able to focus on editing as a regular user, instead of having to police edits and other users (of course, that would mean not picking fights with them actively).

Let me know what you think. Some sort of solution must be reached, and I'd prefer for it to be a consensus, rather than a compromise. Tägäżïël 11:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

On consensus, I support Tagaziel as our new admin. DaBarkspawn (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

i do have to draw a line, since that was the expectation. to reiterate, if anyone had a beef with an admin decision back when the others were active, the other guys can back up the decision since those were based on the wiki's rules, and vice versa when it's them on the hot seat. i don't have that luxury anymore, obviously.

take that entitled halfwit example above. on the war assets talkpage history. wiki rules clearly state no editing other people's comments (unless spam, on your personal talkpage, or redlinks). guy did so anyway, this guy who's all talk and barely any contributions here to date. the expectation when you're a seasoned veteran of wikis as claimed is you've read the rules, apparently he doesn't care to. if the other admins were here, they -will- side with me since i was the aggrieved party. if that was them in my place i'd do the same. but obviously neither's the case.

it is objectively infuriating when these types of karens "call out" someone who's just doing their job when they themselves cannot be bothered to learn the basics. tl;dr: the incidents would never have escalated if i had backup (and we'd all be equally derided anyway), and that can be applied to most other complaints against me over the years.

i can go on and challenge the quality of editors these complainers are and what they can actually bring to the table with a nicer approach, but that's another matter.

it's been over half a decade. nobody else who's competent in the relevant fields is willing to pick up. what assurances are there that editing disputes and blockworthy actions will be dealt with swiftly if/when i step down. additionally, every month or so i change up the background to keep things from going stale, and i don't think wikia.css can be accessed by anyone lower than sysop. and speaking of which, additional user rights weren't a thing back then, so i'm not sure if i can keep doing what i'd like to be doing (content, uploads, occasional monkeying with templates and coding) minus sysop rights. i am not a people person - as i've repeatedly claimed and as you've no doubt seen - and i'd rather work backend than deal with ungrateful customers. for there to be a backend though there has to be someone manning the front desk - having one guy do both is a recipe for disaster. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 13:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I've been digging a little further and upon further feedback from the rest of the team, there's really no way you can retain your additional user rights at this point. This is not tantamount to a ban, of course, as I believe that you should be free to contribute to the wiki as a regular user - and I get the distinct impression you'd welcome the opportunity to actually be free of the additional responsibility.

Given that templates are not protected and editing isn't restricted to users with additional rights, you should be free to do what you enjoy going forward without having to deal with any of the front-end stuff going forward.

The wiki will remain open and I will review any adoption requests, taking into consideration past behavior and interactions. Tägäżïël 16:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

the responsibilities are yours until then.

when time allows away from realworld obligations i upload a lot of pictures and on occasion some aren't up to snuff, so i'll need you or someone else you'll be appointing to delete them (quickly) for me. and to go over the backlog of unused images on the wiki. there's a lot of those, haven't gone over them since i hoped to rip the relevant game assets first.

infobox theme styles are buried in sysop-only files, so you'll also have to be there if i have to change anything.

additionally, take care of monthly wallpapers until legendary edition comes out.

mainpage restoration - been planning on putting back the dragonage-style portal that was broken by the last mediawiki upgrade, though no progress on that, so it's now yours to brainstorm on. missing feeds for discussions / recentchanges there - would have to be updated, or excised.

edits not in line with wiki standard - and this is the most contentious part of the job - also yours to deal with. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 16:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Vanessa Marshall[]

Good day. After a couple edits on the Lee Riley and Eneba pages I read the wiki's sourcing policy and I get why I can't add Vanessa Marshall as the voice actor, despite the fact she is if you know her voice. Isn't there any way of confirming this just by listening to the character's voice? I think hers is very distinct and it makes no sense to not add information to the wiki. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HERRERO BOSS (talk · contr).

she's only ever credited as "additional voices". we don't use information based on hearsay. get a proper source as per stated channels or your data doesn't go in. interview from published magazine, statement from verified twitter, public statements from reputable sources, etc. SOURCE IT PROPERLY. simple as that. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 07:16, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

NAH NAH NAH NAH[]

HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYE

Ottakanawa (talk) 20:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Changes from the Original Trilogy page[]

If the Legendary Edition is only an overview page, can't we make a subpage to list the changes then? Otherwise, it'd be quite difficult for people to know what changed and what didn't by looking at every single page in the wiki.187.112.119.202 04:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

if people are looking for specific changes in an overview page, they're using the wiki incorrectly. the point of the remaster is to change a crapton of stuff over and under the hood, so you can expect changes to a lot of articles on the wiki. basically noting them all would be an exercise in bloat and redundancy.

now, your article is up for deletion since it wasn't discussed properly first. these are very major changes and you'll need something more than a barebones page to properly present something that is massive in scope. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 05:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

If you really want to maintain a master list of all changes made in MELE in this way as a personal project (who knows, it might come in handy in the future), create a user profile and do it in your own sandbox space, as that is considered your own to do with as you like and not part of the actual Wiki. Ale89515 (talk) 07:53, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Here is a place to continue discussion on the merits of the/a page itself: Talk:Changes from the Original Mass Effect Trilogy. TL;DR - good idea but may need some more cleanup to be "ready for prime time". Cattlesquat (talk) 14:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Fandomdesktop.css[]

I've dropped a copy of our current Wikia.css into the Fandomdesktop.css slot. It serves to make at least some things "more familiar" (thank god they're defaulting to "dark mode"). You're probably more familiar with some of the esoteric details of our CSS (plus one of our more visually picky users), so feel free to send along improvements/adjustments. Cattlesquat (talk) 18:44, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring[]

As you know, edit warring should be avoided, see Citadel:_Dr._Bryson. Next time if a war editing is starting, please put your remarks on talk page instead, especially if you are right.

The editor have been warned for this edit warring and insults. DeldiRe (talk) 11:06, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

M29 Grizzly[]

Hi Temporaryeditor78.

Forgive me, I didn't think I was using weasel words or overly speculating in my edits? The Grizzly, despite being displaced as the primary IFV of the Systems Alliance when the navy-centric rapid deployment/light expeditionary ground forces model was adopted, is still in use by various elements of the SA military in the 2180s, such as the Marines' deep reconnaissance units. And its variants are still also used by numerous corporate security and mercenary forces. The only thing I really speculated on was the reason that marine recon units seemed to prefer the Grizzly over the Mako in some roles. LogicEcho (talk) 21:50, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Next Time...[]

... after a revert or so maybe say something instead of reverting an image 10+ times? So we don't have to delete 20+ reverts one by one... Cattlesquat (talk) 18:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Quarian population growth: The edit is a grammatical correction, not a reinterpretation of the source.[]

You reverted a correction to the Quarian article twice now. As per the talk page, the prevailing consensus (ever since 2016) is that a one-child policy will cause a population to decline. This is something I'm sure you agree with, no?

Now, as I mentioned in the edit summary, if you read the edit carefully, you will see that it does not contradict with the explanation given in the source (a conversation in ME1 with Tali). She says a "one child per couple" policy is in place in the flotilla, after which she mentions that this policy is lifted if/when the population begins to decline.

By definition, a '1 child per couple' policy will lead to cyclic declines in population. This is inevitable given that the Quarians are not immortal. If so, logically, we can conclude that to use "if" here is ungrammatical. If Tali herself used it in the source, the only logical conclusion is that it was a slip-of-the-tongue on her part; hence, it should be corrected here in the wiki to prevent confusion.

Bavio the Benighted (talk) 04:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

unfortunately it isn't our place to put words in tali's (or bioware)'s mouth by what you're saying. see the archive for the previous justifications and why i'm saying this is a dead horse topic. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:49, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I don't think this is twisting Tali's words; what I mean is that, in this case, since it is logically obvious that the Quarians must undergo periodic declines in population size, and her words do seem to indicate this (why else would she mention lifting of the policy when/if the population begins to shrink?), I believe the description in the wiki should stay faithful to the source while phrasing it in the most precise, logical way possible. The use of "if" here invites confusion regarding whether or not such population declines occur, so using "when" or "as soon as" would seem much more appropriate. Bavio the Benighted (talk) 05:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

If all this is really boiling down to a complaint about the word "if" then I'll add my two cents: it's not even "ungrammatical". "If" doesn't only and always mean the sense of a mere "possibility" or "probability", it can sometimes just mean "in the case of" or "when", so there's really no issue here, the page is fine as is and already carries the meaning you yourself want it to convey (as much as is necessary for the purposes of a VIDEO GAME WIKI, and not say, a scientific journal). Also just as a matter of editing, maintaining the status quo of a page will generally take precedent so anyone can revert edits to restore that status quo; the burden of opening discussion and making a case for the proposed change would be on you (which you have done here so no foul). Neo89515 (talk) 05:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

True, it's not necessarily incorrect, but it is imprecise. Using 'if' leaves it ambiguous whether or not the population stays stable over time, but with a 'one-child per couple' policy, we know it doesn't. Using 'when' would improve clarity. Bavio the Benighted (talk) 05:13, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I think it's more than precise enough. Even disregarding the dictionary definition, there are other variables: just because population may inevitably decline from a policy doesn't mean the rule HAS to be relaxed upon decline. What if the fleet lost ships or resources and can't maintain previous population levels for a period of time? In such a case they might welcome the lower birth rate and declining numbers of mouths to feed. Your wording would assume that population decline inevitably means automatic relaxation of the policy, which may not actually occur in practice. Neo89515 (talk) 05:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Noveria Rift Station - plz don't edit war[]

You're of course surely aware that a new edit that gets challenged by another editor needs to be discussed on talk page & consensus reached before re-adding the edit. Doesn't matter who's more experienced "more right" about whatever matter of taste/propriety is being discussed - Consensus Is Required. Cattlesquat (talk) 23:20, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

he's the one who wants to overwrite, he's the one who brings it up. that's how it is. i'll settle it afterward, no less. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 23:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, not how it works. Talk page or nothing. Last warning on this. Cattlesquat (talk) 23:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Abusive Language[]

A reminder that your revert comment here [1]

...is a violation of both the letter and spirit of our code of conduct. "Abusive language toward other users will also not be tolerated, particularly when it contains profanities or obscenities."

Best practice is to say something helpful/constructive and guide someone making an incorrect revision to be a productive member of the community. Acceptable is reverting it without abusive language. Cattlesquat (talk) 17:22, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Deleted stuff[]

Can i ask why are you instantly deleting what i included multiple times in a row?

I did check the manuals and guidelines as you stated on your profile we should do before writing and i found that my edits did not interfere with any of the mentioned guidelines. I will copy here what i found was somewhat relevant to the case:

Walkthrough Information in Articles[]

Because most of our articles are written from an in-game perspective, we do not put walkthrough information into main articles. All articles must be kept as if written from an in-game perspective and contain information about who or what they are about. Walkthrough information should be put into the various walkthrough articles where it is appropriate. Avoid using second person pronouns, like you and yours, in main articles for the same reasons.

However, there are specific sections where this rule is lifted:

The tactics section of various enemy articles, and only in that section. The rest of the article should be kept as if written from an in-game perspective
The walkthrough articles themselves where such a style is appropriate. Apart from those two exceptions, please avoid putting walkthrough information and using second person pronouns in main articles.

But even this part is talking about written walkthroughs and not playthroughs that are in video format - or at least i dont find it mentioned anywhere. Plus the content i linked is not even a walkthrough (doesnt engage with the reader watcher in any way, its only a playthrough which is more movie - like) so this article part doesnt apply there. On the other logical side: if there are 3-4 playthrough parts for each wiki page if somone would cram them ALL to one "playthrough" page, that would be insane to navigate through them all, and find the one you are looking for, instead this way it would be neatly, exactly where it belongs.

Since this part of the manual doesnt apply here, or at least for the content i linked, can i ask why you keep deleting it? Can you link that specific section of the manual that prevents me from doing this?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by KenessyDaniel (talk · contr).

Mass_Effect_Wiki:Files_Guideline#Videos

clear as day. the answer is no unless trailers and such. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 13:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Deleted stuff[]

Might i ask why did you delete the part i added? I reread the manual you linked multiple times and not one part contradicts me there. The only somewhat related part was talking about written walkthroughs, and not about the type of content i linked, which was video playthrough. Can you link the part of the manual that contradicts me here, the part on behalf you deleted multiple times my edits in a row?

Site policy is we do not normally accept videos (the rare exceptions are e.g. official video trailers). See Mass Effect Wiki:Community Guidelines#Can I add a video.3F Cattlesquat (talk) 19:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Does this Wiki have a policy against Filler or Edit Fluffing yet?[]

I don't see anything justifying constant rollbacks beyond the whole "Speculation" argument. AnonymousAnomani (talk) 14:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

you're just substituting words and phrases or introducing redundant ones that ultimately mean the same thing. the goal is to improve by adding substantive content or removing speculative content, not bog things down with pointless word choice changes. they *will* be trimmed down as unnecessary bloat. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

There is no special policy, but anyone can object to an edit and if there is an impasse consensus is required to move beyond it. Meanwhile I have restored one of the edits because it was IMHO a genuine stylistic improvement. Cattlesquat (talk) 23:10, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Please explain[]

Please take a minute or two to explain why you objected to the replacement images recently uploaded and I will make a good-faith attempt to correct any objective issues. Neo89515 (talk) 16:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree - if there's some educating to be done, please do it politely and constructively. Your comment "leave the upgrading to people who can actually do it" is not a constructive or acceptable position. Cattlesquat (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

replacing a 4k image with anything lesser is not upgrading. put in an equivalent or better (although higher will usually run into fandom's size limits). T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 22:27, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

My new monitor's on the way -- but even then, a 1080p quality image of a much higher quality model with good textures is still a better look than a 9,999K image of a model that looks like a LEGO man from 2007, especially when we're talking about a screenshot for a character box that most people will never, ever bother to blow up to full size. I get it, you're an image elitist, but I would prefer you let the LE image stand until you or I or someone else in turn upgraded it. And, like you yourself point out, that may cause file size issues. Neo89515 (talk) 03:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Why reverting PPR's MP clip size stat?[]

You said: n/a. bar is a 100-point eyeball scale
I did not edit the bar, I edited the displayed numeric value. 100 is not a percentage of a bar, it's a number of "bullets" and in MP it's 125 at level X. https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Particle_Rifle?diff=539383&oldid=539242 Commando0241 (talk) 15:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Please check the Talk section of the page -- your numbers are being corroborated. Thanks. Neo89515 (talk) 15:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Restoring a World[]

Hi. You undid my change because it would be wrong. Okay, but then please adjust the article. The procedure in the section "The southeaster monolith" corresponds to the image for the southwester monolith puzzle. Was just at this point in the game. Mars80 (talk) 18:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Undid edit[]

Just curious why you reverted my edit on the human-reaper page, it’s in my opinion a improvement, you didn’t leave a comment on your edit which is why I made this.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shylogik (talk · contr).

not improvements. mixing up british/american spellings is allowed and previous was syntactically correct. 04:48, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Reverted edit on Shield Mastery[]

> confirmation required. no "possibles" etc
What's the problem? Launch the game and confirm it. Then remove the word "possibly" from the page and thank me for helping this wiki. Commando0241 (talk) 20:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Cut Content removal[]

I've worked hard on uncovering the content I've mentioned and I'm convinced most people would be grateful to read about it. Everything I've stated on the Lystheni page can be sourced. I'd very much like to know why you want it gone.--Loadingue (talk) 13:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Edit: I've read the guidelines page and I understand better, but I think we need a compromise here. For the lystheni at least, moving it all to the "cut content in ME1" page wouldn't be appropriate. I've written what I had there for the purpose of the lystheni article, not the overarching mission. Also your revert on Virmire doesn't make sense, the cut content part is already there, I simply expanded on it, why remove my edit?--Loadingue (talk) 13:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

any dipshit can load up the legendary explorer and look at the files you can point to. what they can't do is assume bioware's intent and reconstruct it from those dummied-out files. can you 100% prove what you just wrote is what they actually intended or are you just bullshitting fanfics and passing it off as facts?

unless more reputable sources report on this, it doesn't go in. best you can do is point people to the right direction via talkpage, hope they draw the same conclusions, and someone from bioware confirms.

the only mention i saw about lystheni in my own datadumps is a "lystheni attacker". nothing corroborating your elaborate tale. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 13:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

as for your other edits they're pointless commentary and not allowed. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 13:50, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Schells the Gambler draw info revert[]

Hi,

I wanted to ask you to reconsider reverting my edit of Schells the Gambler to include the information that draws do not contribute to the number of wins with the gambling device.

I understand that draws aren't generally considered "wins", but in my opinion they do count as "not losses", and I think it's conceivable that someone could assume that the game just expects the player to "not lose" the required number of times rather than explicitly winning. I myself was wondering if that was the case and thought someone else might be in the same position and appreciate having the information clearly laid out on the wiki.

If you object to the wording on the basis that it implies that draws are considered wins somehow, I could understand that, and would be happy to try and find a different way to word it/a different place on the article to include the information.

Thanks very much. DominateEye (talk) 05:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

FIVE WINS is self-explanatory. WIN FIVE TIMES as well. does it say anything there about draws being counted? no?

dude, do not belabor the obvious and subscribe to the KISS principle.

no. 06:01, 7 August 2022 (UTC)~

Is there a Codex entry guide for ME2 and 3?[]

Title. --Aldo012345 (talk) 04:29, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

there isn't any, because as far as i recall most entries are dumped at the beginning of the games or as you complete x/y missions/assignments such that by the final mission your collection will be complete regardless of playthrough choices (contrast with ME1 and andromeda where you can get locked out of certain entries if you haven't done certain things).

still, making codex entry guides for them isn't entirely out of the question for people curious when certain entries become available. just a matter of tracking most of them by sandbox first. 05:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

negation[]

I haven't tested this myself, but just from the structure of sentence, in "...the next is marked "Save 2", subsequent saves will overwrite that save instead of making a new file even if explicitly instructed to do so." do you not mean "...not to do so." ? That is, it will overwrite Save 2 even if you tell it not to? DaBarkspawn (talk) 15:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

yes, "save 2" will be overwritten even if you selected to save a new file. rename one of your saves to 999 and watch it break T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 15:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Rules for thee, not for me?[]

You know where this is going. We've said repeatedly to other, newer users that major changes like page creations, especially where they're going to have impacts on many other pages, require opening at least a token community discussion first. Since you're usually the first person to leave a "DISCUSSION WHERE!??!??!ONE" comment, not following that rule yourself isn't a good look. Neo89515 (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

the hell are you talking about. plenty of precedents for background information. Artificial Intelligence Gene therapy Indoctrination United North American States Category:Background

I'm obviously not talking about the content of the change which I don't have an issue with, but procedure -- if another user came in and implemented an entirely new lore page, 5-6 redirects, and a bunch of links without first stating their intentions on a Talk page or forum, sandboxing, or waiting for any feedback, I don't think you'd be OK with it. You've already demonstrated that in the past by complaining other people didn't "discuss" first, and for changes smaller in scope than what you did. Either all users are required to go through these motions, or none are. You left edit comments saying "this is all in the lore btw" but that's not discussion, because that's after the fact and doesn't allow for feedback. Major changes to pages are supposed to be discussed, even if that just means leaving a talk entry and waiting a few days as a courtesy. Obviously, entirely new major articles fall under that requirement too. Neo89515 (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

my sweet summer child, pages have been made all the time by people who know what they're doing and are subscribing to prevailing styles. which is something i cannot say for the hit and runners over the years who basically made pages at odds with the overall style or made them with no care or research at all. one-liner stub-quality "articles" where nothing more can be said? shit grammar zero formatting? redundancy with existing pages? bitch please.

i explicitly gave examples that didn't need prior discussion before creation, pages that i sure as hell had no say in making because i wasn't here before. wiseasses won't be able to claim i'm citing my own examples - of which there are now numerous. nothing prevents people from making pages as long as they know what they're doing and are following basic MOS guidelines. i dare you to find faults in the way i prepared and presented information compared to these. i also dare you to find faults in article creations i questioned over the years. i am following a roadmap, the articles and decisions i questioned didn't.

tl;dr if anything it's rules for thee AND me. suggesting otherwise is disingenuous. 21:33, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Warning for insulting/abusive & profane language directed at another user. We voted to tolerate the little wisecracks in change logs, etc, as long as it's 100% clear they aren't directed at others, nor insulting in nature -- but these types of insults, especially paired with profanity, violate our code of conduct on abuse & abusive language. It seems like you're kind of starting to stack up warnings in this area, so please lay off the profanity (entirely) when conducting discussions with others, and make your case cordially rather than abusively. Also a reminder that ANY user is within rights to ask that ANY new change be at least temporarily halted while discussion/consensus takes place. Experience is not an exemption from consensus, and the fact that another experienced user said "hey this seems like a lot of changes, maybe we should stop and discuss it" is an indication it might deserve discussion. Cattlesquat (talk) 18:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

point out where i directed "abusive language" against neo. with him explicitly as the target and not some vague direction at the ether. pretty please. and i'll tell you why you're wrong. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

There's profane language in the message, the message is directed at Neo, and the whole thing drips with sarcasm and insult. That's MORE than enough for me, especially combined with previous warnings on similar topics. You're always welcome to tell me I'm wrong, but the warning stands, as well as the caution that you've stacked up warnings. Cattlesquat (talk) 19:05, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Worst possible EMS destroy ending source[]

https://youtu.be/ITJ3ILNz3zY

This is where I got them. Hope you reconsider. Aldo012345 (talk) 00:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

that ain't coats. that's a random alliance guy. different face, different haircut. 01:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

24 Hour Ban - Abusive Language[]

Your revert comment here https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Harbinger?curid=11537&action=history was unnecessary, unkind, and unacceptable. Repeated warnings don't seem to be working, so this one will be a 24 hour ban. Cattlesquat (talk) 23:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit on Charon Relay page:[]

I'm just a guest on this wiki, however I noticed in the edit history that back in 2012 it was listed on that page that Arcturus contained a further three mass relays when Grissom traversed the Charon relay for the first time. In 2013 someone messed up the page and when it was fixed this detail was not readded. I was looking for hard data about the number of relays in Arcturus and this fit the bill perfectly, so I edited this sentence back in. Was this detail always wrong, and if not I suggest that the the sentence mentioning the three relays in Arcturus be readded again since you undid my edit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.189.225.79 (talk · contr).

i have the books, comics, and game text datadumps at hand. basic ctrl+f of your 3 relays gave me nothing. you're more than welcome to add them back in IF you yourself find them in the sources, not because some scrubbed edit told you there were. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 13:55, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Works for me, I just assumed that the edit being so old and specific was taken from a source I haven't seen yet.

Trivia[]

I have to admit that I'm little confused by your interpretation of the trivia rules. I was going by the Finland example in Name Trivia. I don't see anything in the description of the Pylos Nebula that suggests any link to the city or anything else with the same name. DaBarkspawn (talk) 20:19, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

it's an astronomical object. convention is they're named after real-life ancient places/people/whatever if they're not given alien names. the likelihood of the boardgame being an inspiration is low, the likelihood of some greek settlement or the mythological figures is more probable. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 20:28, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. DaBarkspawn (talk) 20:31, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Trivia on Javelin[]

I'm fine with it being removed, I'm not here to argue about that. but I guess I'm just here to clarify, if asset re-use is such a non-trivia, then should not the same apply to the Trivia on Dr. Bryson's Lab, about the re-use of the M-622 Avalanche from ME2? SakuraJD (talk) 11:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

From my perspective, it is true that there are a few trivia notes here and there on reused assets. The Javelin trivia wasn't standout enough because it's a geth weapon that looks like another geth weapon. Who is to say that isn't just because it's how the geth design those weapons? However, the model of an ME2 weapon appearing in ME3, and in a way that's a little less obvious to the average player, is a little more noteworthy. Neo89515 (talk) 05:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Personally I think the Javelin trivia is worth keeping. The "standard geth weapon design" is the geth rifle, not the Javelin. Even if it is standard, the resemblance is worth a trivia note without considering the possible development asset re-use. As in, "Geth AA guns and the Javelin share the same design." That's the bare minimum in my opinion. It is relevant and note-worthy.--Loadingue (talk) 09:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

if something can be reasonably explained away in-universe (upscaled design), it's not trivia. if something requires a doylist justification to make sense, it's trivia. we do not put in trivia based on superficial similarities. we'd be here all day reading bullshit takes instead of what actually matters - behind the scenes, developer notes and whatnot. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 09:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Superficial similarities? It's identical, LED lights and all. The AA gun even has a giant non-sensical scope!--Loadingue (talk) 10:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I have seen a few others similarly used, like the M-22 Eviscerator's model is also repurposed for the Guns that Cortez put on the side of the Dropship in ME3, but they dont fire a shotgun burst, they fire single rounds, and theyre also massive. I haven't seen anything to presume humans would just use a giant shotgun as a rifle for a shuttlecraft. SakuraJD (talk) 11:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

The boundaries of what is and isn't "interesting" trivia are pretty subjective, and in the nature of wikis these things haven't been done completely consistently over the years. Ultimately if there's a consensus (in this case a working majority) to add or remove something, we can do it -- apart from something violating a bright-line rule, that's about all we have to go on. Cattlesquat (talk) 19:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll make the talk page section. My dumb ass has only just noticed that Shepard is holding a Javelin rifle in the picture uploaded on the Wiki earlier, the AA tower is in the background. I only noticed just now because it's so dark. Nonetheless, even without the LED lights and the scope, I believe the resemblance is strong enough to be worth trivia.--Loadingue (talk) 19:22, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Reminder[]

New users should be helped out, not cursed out, e.g. [2] Cattlesquat (talk) 14:08, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

How do we reconcile the Consort news? Or in past tense, how did they?[]

Title, I did mention the LE-restored news Aldo012345 (talk) 05:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

there is no issue here other than you deleting valid information. 06:08, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Deleted only because I wasn't concluded on how the Consort's story would be, how being cleared of Septimus' badgering and the later news would be harmonized.

I'm sorry, maybe I'll just make my mind up like with Conrad Aldo012345 (talk) 11:25, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Apology[]

I apologize for my rude comments. Thank you for looking at this and writing something better than I could ever have written. Great job. Hallexfreek (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

OK.[]

Is not ancestry.com and reddit considered valid sources? Or do they need to be directly linked and not via gamefaqs?

You know what nevermind it doesn't matter. I like accuracy in information and for a project came back here to the wiki to check on some M.E. trivia. I then saw the missing information it got on my nerves but I am over it now. The page can keep missing the info on Surname Alenko Hungarian roots. I have wasted enough time on this -I am going back to work. Don't know why I was trying so hard I don't relly care about Bioware that much anymore.

You can reformat it back to how you desire. I will make no more changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.219.76.191 (talk · contr).

If you are still curious why your edits weren't accepted, please review the Information Sourcing policy of the Wiki (findable from the top navigation bar). There is an explanation on what sources are accepted, as well as a specific section on Name Trivia. The trivia notes that are on the page were accepted because whoever made them demonstrated some bare-minimum personal expertise/knowledge on the reason why the name could plausibly be from a certain language/nationality/ethnicity, or provided a plausible reason beyond just a mere assertion. Simply linking to a website that where some other people are providing an opinion that isn't really backed up by anything else isn't acceptable. If you have some personal knowledge or expertise on why Alenko is of Hungarian origin, please share this on the Talk page of the article (or get someone who does have such expertise to come here and discuss) and we can go from there. Neo89515 (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I also think it is important to say that everyone who edits this wiki is a volunteer and that we do not work for BioWare or have any official status with them. I can understand being unhappy about an edit reversion, but please don't blame them for that. They have nothing to do with this. DaBarkspawn (talk) 17:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Fine. Its not important.[]

First I can say I am sorry and I let my hubris get in the way for I am no scholar -yet. I have a history of speaking/typing before doing the research. I can admit to mistakes and correct them -something that has taken time to achieve. Though I am studying linguistics -I am still a rookie.

That said it seems the Hungarian origin that was claimed on that page and supposed to be on Ancestry is actually spelled: Alenka in Hungarian and not Alenk(o) and is in the feminine not the masculine so not relevant unless Kaidan is female.

Though the Greek word listed in the trivia section: ἐλέγχω is spelled in English as: elegchō Which does indeed seem to indicate Kaidan's convictions.

That said I don't know if Forebears.io or namepedia are relevant -probably not. Still they seem to indicate that Alenko may actually be more Russian than any other though it would be ALenko(V) and not flat out Alenko. Here are the pages if for this -even if it not credible: https://forebears.io/surnames/alenko and https://namespedia.com/details/Alenko respectively.

I will ask the Professor Monday for credible sources to look this up to clarify and verify me either in the wrong or right. The prior much more indicative than the latter. After that I hope I am done with everything Bioware related.

As to my not caring about Bioware anymore... Biowares' legacy -disdained as it is has put me off of their games. I don't have any aversion to people who like their stuff. If you can still like it then by all means play it. Its just not for me anymore. Since most of those who worked there that we knew have left the Bioware company -too many to list but we know the track record. All companies EA owns are eventually turned into husks of their former selves for profit only to be eventually closed and people moved around. MEA, Anthem, discontinuing SWTOR updates just to name more current issues... My apathy will not wane till proven otherwise.

72 Hour Ban - Needlessly insulting new/inexperienced user acting in apparent good faith[]

https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Rannoch?oldid=552119

Your insulting revert message linked above doesn't help the wiki or the community at all; rather, it actively harms both. There are varying levels of grey area depending on experience level of user, etc, but we've especially already specifically talked about insulting other users and especially new/inexperienced users. Simply because your revert was notionally "correct" doesn't make it acceptable to add an insult. This is really frustrating because your technical contributions to the wiki are usually fantastic. But you have already had plenty of warnings and a previous ban for similar behavior. The next level in the dialog box is 3 days so that's how long the timeout is this time. Also, I want to make abundantly clear that you are now on zero tolerance for any type of social misbehavior. Stick to the editing and lay off the insults. Cattlesquat (talk) 03:26, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Question?[]

I was just curious. You used to be a admin on the Mass Effect wiki. Did you step down or get demoted? When did that happenEd? I just wanted to make sure beforehand. Thanks. Allen Knott (talk) 21:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

It's an old story and not really relevant at this time as TE78 was and remains one of the most prolific contributor to this wiki. Is there a specific reason why you ask this question?DeldiRe (talk) 14:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, but first sorry for not response before. I did not get a notification of your response. Anyway, several years ago, I lost interest in Mass Effect and this wiki due to Tempraryeditor78. I recently gotten back into playing the Mass Effect games, and discovered to my surprise TE78 seemly has been removed as a admin, and wanted to make sure/double check. Thanks. Allen Knott (talk) 20:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

N7 Piranha[]

Not sure what I did wrong to have this reverted.

Here's a screencap of the Piranha in Mass Effect: Andromeda on PS5, all current updates to the game applied.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Swqanda (talk · contr).

the weapon has always been ultra rare regardless of platform. only way that can possibly change is mods you may or may not know about. we'd need additional confirmation from other ps5 players to ensure you aren't the only one dealing with this. 05:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Sanctions and Probation[]

After the recent rash of bad behavior from you, I spoke with Fandom staff to get a third base call and seek their advice on what to do about an experienced and productive user who nonetheless repeatedly misbehaves. In my years as an admin, you are the only non-vandal-rando who has needed escalated privileges exercised against them, even though you are notionally one of the most experienced users who should of course know better. And in that time it hasn't been just one thing. There have been at least 3 page protections for edit war type behavior, and three escalating bans for insulting behavior towards other users (none of whom were me, I believe). Furthermore your record is replete with additional bad behavior, bad faith reverts, gaming of the rules, gatekeeping of new users, and "yelling in all caps" in the admin channel on Discord as well as elsewhere.

It turns out the staff have had concerns too. We're all aware that you have made plenty of productive and technical contributions to the wiki, but your continued behavior has made us question our assumptions about whether or not the community might be better off without you in it.

Therefore when I spoke with ReverieCode we agreed on my imposition of sanctions and probation. I want to be clear that the probationary terms do not apply to any other users -- they apply specifically to you in light of your repeated abuse-of-process.

The following sanctions and probation come into effect immediately:

a 7-day ban as a calming down period during which you can think very carefully about your continued role in this community
Before this 7-day ban expires, you must assign ownership of the Mass Effect Wiki Discord server either to our bureaucrat Elseweyr or our Fandom rep ReverieCode. Failure to do this will result in your wiki ban becoming permanent and the rest of us would have to discuss creating a new official Discord server with acceptable ownership.
Once Discord server ownership has been properly assigned, you may return to the wiki community as a productive editor, with the following probationary terms:

From now on, for anything besides obvious outright vandalism, you are only allowed one revert of any user's edit. Even two consecutive reverts will be considered edit warring for you and will result in a ban; therefore once you have expended your single revert, you will have to resort to the talk page and/or request 3rd-party intervention. Even if you think the other user's edit is poor or "against policy" or whatever.
Likewise, if any other user reverts one of your edits, you may not re-revert it (not even one time), and may only resort to the talk page and/or request 3rd-party intervention. Re-reverts will be considered edit warring by you
Should you revert another user's edit and a different editor (or admin) steps in to support the original editor by rereverting, you may not further revert and must go to the talk page.
Do not revert (even one time) users who make merely cosmetic edits that are not problematic beyond "being a different wording", whether or not you judge them "unnecessary". Likewise minor foot fault policy violations like American/British English. Those remain policy, but in light of your gatekeeping behavior you no longer have the privilege of enforcing them. Leave it to others.
Attempting to game these rules e.g. by spamming frivolous intervention requests will also be considered a violation.
We strongly encourage you to stick entirely to constructive content additions and improvements, and just leave patrolling and reverting to others.

Again I will reiterate that even now we would like to keep you as a productive member of the wiki community. However my patience, staff's patience, and indeed the community's patience, are coming down to their last threads. Cattlesquat (talk) 19:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Since Cattle has mentioned the "community's patience" in this post, I feel I should corroborate by adding a brief comment. All of the above can be summed up another way by saying, you need to chill. The inability to work out even some of the simplest disagreements here without the temperature being raised and frictions escalating needlessly has been an issue I've seen for all of the years I've been active here. This is not how human interactions should be handled. This Wiki is clearly a beloved hobby of yours and has been for a long time. I'm hoping that you don't deprive yourself of enjoying it. This is a shared endeavor, which means that yes, it can be messy, but it does not need to be UGLY. In some of the recent discussions, I used the phrase, "the universe does not implode because" -- and of course, I'm directing that at you, because of your seeming inability not to treat disagreements here as some kind of world-ending catastrophe. If you can't get past that mindset, I see only one way this ultimately ends. Neo89515 (talk) 20:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

ME2:Omega: Packages for Ish[]

I noticed that the choices and rewards were incorrect and corrected them, but you reverted to the incorrect content. Why did you bother to provide false information?

This user is presently blocked and won't be able to respond for a while. If you think you had the choices & rewards correct, make a note in the talk page for the article Talk:Omega:_Packages_for_Ish of what the differences are and someone will take a look. Cattlesquat (talk) 17:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Going Forward[]

We haven't heard from you over the last week to indicate you understand & accept the probationary conditions, and you appear to have retained personal control of this community's Discord server, so I am for now extending your block indefinitely. HOWEVER, if you simply needed a longer break, or if indeed in the future you wish to rejoin the wiki community, then simply do the right thing by turning over "ownership" of the ME Wiki's Discord server to Elseweyr or ReverieCode, and then after verifying that all privileges are set correctly I will remove the block (note if the user in question is inactive at the time it may take a bit longer; or if I'm the only one on you may assign it provisionally to me and I will pass it along to one of the others as appropriate if you want quicker resolution). Obviously if we subsequently have further issues on the Discord server or elsewhere with you, things could change, but for the time being the invitation to rejoin the community remains open.

The Mass Effect Wiki Discord server was built on this community's name and this community's traffic, and you don't get to just keep stealth control of something which rightfully belongs to the ME Wiki community (and lurk in its private channels, etc) -- not while remaining a member of the wiki community at the very least. In the meantime do not ping wiki members about article/picture/etc edits which you do not like -- your wiki-related opinions are irrelevant while you are holding the Discord server hostage or whatever. Cattlesquat (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Received word on discord server that server control has been transferred. Will verify but have removed the block in the meantime. Cattlesquat (talk) 17:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

A Past's Farewell[]

I doubt you'd remember, but I'd like to thank you. I know you're busy with your family--and that sound's so great! But should you check back, I'd like to thank you. = I watched you survive several votes to be removed from this wikia, and survive them. Only to the point where you unintentionally threatened people. But that was years ago. I hope you're doing well! -h5.

Just Stay Gone[]

You were as toxic as Lancer was. More so. And even less socially acclimated than he was. Which is quite an achievement.

Don't ever come back please. 100.11.105.230 06:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I say this as someone who is well aware of the reputations of both Lancer and TemporaryEditor, the latter firsthand for many years, I still have to ask you at what point is this water under the bridge for you? Also, despite the fact that both of these users are inactive and aren't likely to be seen here in the foreseeable future, they are still users and I have a duty not to allow harassment of them. So consider this a warning not to be leaving these sorts of hostile messages on anyone's Talk page when it serves no constructive purpose whatsoever. Neo89515 (talk) 10:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)