Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua Kalu

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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 01:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Kalu

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Fails WP:NGRIDIRON. College career by itself is not notable, and has never appeared in a regular-season game. Willsome429 (say hey or see my edits!) 16:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GRIDIRON per nominator. No prejudice on recreation if he plays a game, obviously. SportingFlyer talk 00:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:NGRIDIRON is an inclusionary standard, not an exclusionary one. Accordingly, notability needs to be further assessed under WP:GNG. In this case, Kalu was a four-year player (46 games, 2014-2017, see stats here) and key defensive player (cornerback/safety) for Nebraska who received significant coverage in multiple, reliable, and independent sources. A sampling of coverage includes: (1) this feature story that was published in multiple newspapers in January 2018. Other sources include: (2) this from Aug. 2016; (3) "Showing their true colors Kalu has big-time talent on field, low profile off it", Omaha World-Herald, 4/2/17 (1,469 profile available for fee at Newslibrary.com); (4) this from August 2017; (5) "Joshua Kalu staying at safety where Bob Diaco believes he can become one of nation's best", Omaha World-Herald, 8/2/17 (443 words, available for fee at Newslibrary.com); (6) "Joshua Kalu may be 'best safety in the country'", Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 8/1/17 (652 words, available for fee at Newslibrary.com); (7) this from August 2017; (8) this from March 2018; (9) this from March 2018; (10) this from April 2018; (11) this from May 2018. It would be nice if a Nebraska fan would integrate some of these sources into the article, but that's an editing issue, not a cause for deletion. Cbl62 (talk) 11:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All of which are either local coverage from Nebraska or Houston (which he's from), even, arguably, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, since both of those articles originally appeared on Landof10.com, whose twitter site says they specifically cover Nebraska football (they've apparently since shut down.) I don't think he reaches the national coverage standard we use for WP:NCOLLATH, and I still have major concerns about players passing WP:GNG through articles that talk about their attempts to make the NFL, and then they don't actually make the NFL. This wouldn't cut it for notability in any other sport.

Also, I have absolutely no interest in drawing this out into a long argument like we have in a couple other recent AfDs. I just think the coverage presented above is routine and indicative of the type of coverage any local college player or low-level NFL hopeful would receive, and want to put it on the record: I simply think that by definition a player which fails both WP:NGRIDIRON and WP:NCOLLATH must be a "locally notable amateur athlete" and must pass WP:GNG with non-routine coverage to be notable. I'm going to un-watch this AfD, so please don't ping me, but feel free to respond of course! SportingFlyer talk 12:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no bar on use of metropolitan dailies such as the Lincoln Journal Star or Omaha World-Herald (the two largest newspapers in Nebraska) as GNG sources. Moreover, there is also coverage in geographically-remote sources such as The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Moreover, the coverage consists of in-depth articles written about Kalu and is the antithesis of WP:ROUTINE (i.e., passing mentions in game coverage, brief transactional announcements, etc.). Much of that coverage also has nothing to do with his post-college attempts to make the NFL. This is clearly not "the type of coverage any local college player" receives. Far from it. Compare, e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Austin Barnard where no such coverage was found and the consensus is to delete. Cbl62 (talk) 14:41, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Fails WP:NGRIDIRON but the sources above are enough to get him past WP:GNG. Smartyllama (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Has enough coverage in independent reliable sources to pass GNG. Rlendog (talk) 21:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per Cbl62's sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 04:01, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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