User talk:TomasMacCormaic

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Please help me with...

TomasMacCormaic (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at WP:REFB for help in adding references. The easiest way is using the refToolbar. --Klaun (talk) 21:13, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Klaun: Remember to change the template to {{help me-helped}} if you have answered their question :) !dave 21:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tomas. I have redirected Irish Pipe Band to the existing article List of pipe bands. This is to avoid duplication. The existing article already has sections for Irish bands, although there is not much in them. You can add entries to those sections. Please only add entries for bands which already have Wikipedia articles and link to those articles rather than providing external links. I'm not sure how many there are and whether they overlap with the ones you wanted to add but we should aim for a list of the notable bands rather than list as many as we can which is why we only want to list the ones with articles. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Daniel, I'm new to this, so not sure is this the place I reply to a message. It had been my original intention to add the list to that section in "List of Pipe Bands'. However, given that there are potentially 3,000 pipe bands in the world, I thought that eventually names would get lost in such an extensive list. My goal was to add the list to both 'List of Pipe Bands' and also to distinquish 'Irish Pipe Bands' and add some history to the Pipe Band movement in Ireland over the past few hundred years. There is probably in the region of 200 Pipe Bands in Ireland, with another 200 - 300 pipe bands across the globe which would identify as Irish Bands. Plus there could be another 200 - 300 disbanded Irish Pipe Bands, some of which would have some signficant history. Most of the bands don't seem to be on Wikipedia or have websites, but only appear on Facebook pages, or newspaper articles (which can be linked). Your advice would be appreciated. Should I upload the 200 or so Irish pipe band names to the List of pipe bands, or should it be a stand alone article, so it can include things like lists of Emerald Society Pipe Bands (Irish Police and Fire Pipe Bands in America; Ancient Order of Hibernian Pipe Bands (the largest Irish-American organisation) etc.

We don't want that list of 3000. Compiling it would fall foul of the policy No Orginal Research. But I do see your point that an Irish Pipe Band is not necessarily a Pipe Band from Ireland.

If you want to Undo my redirect of Irish Pipe Band and turn it into an article about Irish Pipe Bands, rather than a big list, then that would be OK. You could cover the things that make Irish pipe bands distinct from other pipe bands and give an overview of their history. That would definitely be a legitimate article. You could also consider making a category for Irish Pipe Bands and putting all the ones with Wikipedia articles in it or you could list the ones with articles in the article provided it is not too many.

If you spot some very notable bands which should have articles, but don't yet, then you can make stub articles for them. Just make sure that they are notable enough first and try to include one or two reliable references on each so that they don't get deleted. Read Wikipedia:Notability (music) to see what we class a notable in bands.

Making a big list of bands without articles is unlikely to work. If that is still something you want to do then that sounds like a project that you might be better off doing somewhere else. If you wanted to, you could get a small wiki of your own on Wikia (or a blog or any other similar service) which is a good way to cover things not suitable for Wikipedia. That would give you the best of both worlds. You could put the stuff suitable for Wikipedia here and then cover things outside of our scope on your own Wiki.

I'll close with a bit of general advice: Please don't get discouraged is you don't get the hang of Wikipedia straight away. Almost nobody does. It is big and complicated. Having a few problems getting started is normal. The links in the Welcome message at the top of the page are helpful and most people who persevere get the hang of it in the end. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

--DanielRigal (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo, while stub-sorting I see you've recently created four articles on Irish saints, St. Senach etc.

A few points:

• Articles on saints have a title which is just the saint's name, without "St." - see MOS:SAINTS. If that name is ambiguous, then the article can be called "Saint ..." (not St or St.) to distinguish it.
• There is an article at Senach about a saint. You need to clarify whether this is your man or not, and link between them.
• There is an article at Dubhán, similarly.
• Please slow down and make sure that each article you start comes up to Wikipedia's standards. In particular, write in whole sentences. Are you just copying the entry in the your source word for word? What you've written at St. Senach does not read like a Wikipedia article. Please take the time to create a proper sentence for the start of the article, and to put the topic name into bold.

I've moved St. Lithghean to Lithghean and St. Daman to Saint Daman and added him to the disambiguation page at Daman. The other two need more attention. Please sort them out. Thanks. PamD 17:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not create any more stubs on saints until you have tidied these ones up. Thanks. PamD 17:54, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help PamD.

I had been meaning to ask, how do you remove the St. from a page's name, so thank you for correcting them for me.

As with Senach and Dubhán, both are different saints with the same names as the pages that already exist on Wikipedia, so I can correct them and lable them to be associated with their monasteries, e.g. Dubhán of Rosglas.

I'll take on board the suggestion of slowing down, and writing the entries firstly on word-document or something, and working on them in more detail, before I upload the entries to wikipedia.

Tomas —Preceding undated comment added 23:20, 15 January 2019‎

Hallo again Tomas (I've taken the liberty of indenting and dating your post above, as it helps keep track of conversations: if you sign using ~~~~ the time and date get added automatically)

Thanks for replying. The way to change a page title is to use "Move", which probably appears as a drop-down menu option at the top of your editing screen under "More". If you can't move the page yourself (eg the target page is already occupied by something else other than a redirect with no complicated history), see WP:Requested Moves for other processes.

As for creating new articles - rather than do stuff in Word, try creating as a draft eg Draft:Senach or a page under your own userid User:TomasMacCormaic/Sandbox or User:TomasMacCormaic/Senach. Then, when you think its good to go, move it into mainspace.

My own technique is to start with a clear lead sentence ("X(name) [dates] is/was a Y(nationality) Z(occupation) who [assertion of notability]." for most biographies), adding one or preferably more sources which support their Wikipedia Notability as properly formatted references for that single sentence, add an {{under construction}} banner at the top, probably add a "References" heading and {{reflist}}, {{DEFAULTSORT}}, and {{stub}} (or a more specific stub tag) and save it, using "Preview" along the way to check that it looks OK at each stage. Not putting too much time in from starting to create the article until saving it, just in case of computer problems, edit conflicts, or whatever which might lead to losing the work: I've probably got the sources open as other tabs on my computer (or book on my desk), before I start to create the article, as I needed them to be sure that the article was going to be on a notable topic and adequately sourced. Then now that the article exists I can create any links to other language Wikipedias, make incoming redirects from alternative forms of the name, etc. Then having created a stub which is not vulnerable to speedy deletion, and made sure that no-one else is going to coincidentally create the article while I'm working on it, I can go back and add more sources and expand the article, add categories, create new categories if necessary, etc. If there's an available image, I add it (for an article about a book, an image of the book cover can be imported as "fair use" but not until the article on the book exists, so this sequence works best). But different editors use different processes. Happy Editing! PamD 09:35, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further thoughts: are you saying above that your St. Dubhan ought to be Dubhán of Rosglas? There's no mention of Rosglas in the article as yet. (I've just created a redirect at Rosglas because it seems appropriate - you might like to check the info there: no mention of a Dubhán: is it the only "Rosglas"?) Once you (or I if need be) have moved the article to a better title, one of us can add a hatnote to the Dubhán article to direct readers to the alternative saint. If there was doubt as to which one is the "Primary topic", we could have moved the existing one to "Dubhán of ..." and made a disambiguation page at the name Dubhán, but we would then have had to change quite a few incoming links about lighthouses etc. Leave that for now - if you want to argue later that the two are equally notable and there is no "Primary topic", that's a different operation. The aim has to be to make sure that every reader finds what they are looking for if it's in the encyclopedia, by whatever combination of good consistent titles, disambiguation pages and hatnotes is needed.

I know nothing about Irish saints or monks beyond what an interested English tourist picks up, but I'm a dab hand at disambiguation pages, redirects, hatnotes etc! PamD 09:51, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there was two Dubhán's, one at Rosglas, and the other who already has his own webpage. The pages I was setting up are all linked (given that the 7 saints were brothers). I'll save them as drafts before I publish anything again. Thank you very much for your help.