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98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 01:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@98Tigerius: Can you explain what is meant by insufficient context, and what can be added? Makeandtoss (talk) 11:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@98Tigerius:? Makeandtoss (talk) 09:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings and felicitations. While making my own changes to "October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel" I noticed that you added the named reference "cnn111", but that there is no such reference. I thought you'd like to know so that you can fix it. —DocWatson42 (talk) 13:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DocWatson42: Fixed, thanks. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 15:51, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An uninvolved administrator has suggested possible sanctions for your participation on the 1948 Arab–Israeli War article at the Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard. The thread is Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nableezy. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 13:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 18:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are involved in a recently filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Arbitration enforcement referral: Nableezy, et al and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Wikipedia:Arbitration guide may be of use.

Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: Sorry, can you please explain how there was a consensus for ARCA in either thread, and how I was involved in this ARCA consensus? Makeandtoss (talk) 20:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see consensus among myself, Valereee, ScottishFinnishRadish, and Ealdgyth that AE is going to be unable to fully address the second Nableezy thread. I explained at ARCA why I interpreted that as also applying to the first thread and my reply to IO explains how you're involved. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: Thanks for the elaboration. Can you please refer to how does Ealdgyth mention this? Also, SFR seems to mention this thread meaning the second, while Valereee was referring to SAILOING which relates to the second thread. As for the reply to IO, one admin's sanctions proposal, which did not seem to gain support, is not equivalent in my view to a rough consensus for ARCA referral. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right that I slightly misread what Ealdgyth wrote and so while I expect they would be in favor they didn't actually express it in that thread. I diffed two admin who were supportive of a broad 0RR. I personally agree it did not get traction but neither was there a consensus abotu what to do in its place - there was a consensus among the uninvolved admin that edit warring had occurred. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: I appreciate that. You are certainly much more experienced here than I am, both as an editor and an admin; it seems me an alternative course of action would have been to reignite the discussion that had died out to see where admin opinions have converged at AE, similar to the kind of interventions that SFR does there. From my point of view, the single revert that I made while being communicative, being escalated to a lengthy and time-consuming ARCA review, seems like an very steep and inadvertent escalation. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd encourage you to engage on the substance of your actions at WP:ARCA as it's currently up to ArbCom whether or not to take any action. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: I would gladly do so but the basis of the referral does not seem to have been a consensus for that, especially for the first thread and the editors involved. If you don't mind me pinging @Ealdgyth: @ScottishFinnishRadish: @Valereee: for their kind input. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Seraphimblade has also expressed support at ARCA for the referral so I'm pinging them. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So far as my thoughts on it, I was actually in the midst of reviewing the first thread, and doing a deeper dive into the second, when Barkeep49 made the referral, so I hadn't commented further yet (I may if a case is accepted and there's an evidence phase; I did keep track of several things I found in doing so). But one thing doing so made abundantly clear is that it's the type of tangled mess it would be difficult if not impossible to meaningfully resolve at AE, and a more deliberative process, like ArbCom, will almost certainly be superior to any bandaid solution AE could try to apply. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 21:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I was seeing was uninvolved admins expressing concern AE couldn't deal with this stuff and implicitly or explicitly arguing it might need arbcom. Valereee (talk) 21:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can also chalk me up as supporting a referral. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have an issue with supporting a referral. I had plans to review things this evening since my week has been insanely busy, and would likely have weighed in suggesting a referral this evening ... Ealdgyth (talk) 22:42, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then, I will be commenting there shortly. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is Butterscotch Beluga. Thank you. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 23:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not accusing you, but you're mentioned. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 23:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chess: Well, using the passive voice could have saved you the hassle of notifying me. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Flamewar at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions over BilledMammal. Thank you. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 19:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry being eager, but would be nice if you could respond to me comment here.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 23:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:

Motion 1: Appeals only to ArbCom

Motion 2b: Word limits

Motion 2c: Word limits

Motion 5: PIA5 Case

Addendum

In passing motion #5 to open a Palestine-Israel articles 5 case, the Committee has appointed three drafters: Aoidh, HJ Mitchell, and CaptainEek. The drafters have resolved that the case will open on November 30. The delay will allow the Committee time to resolve a related private matter, and allow for both outgoing and incoming Arbitrators to vote on the case. The drafters have changed the party list to the following individuals:

• BilledMammal (talk · contribs)
• Iskandar323 (talk · contribs)
• Ïvana (talk · contribs)
• Levivich (talk · contribs)
• Nableezy (talk · contribs)
• Selfstudier (talk · contribs)
• האופה (talk · contribs)
• AndreJustAndre (talk · contribs)
• IOHANNVSVERVS (talk · contribs)
• Alaexis (talk · contribs)
• Zero0000 (talk · contribs)
• Makeandtoss (talk · contribs)
• Snowstormfigorion (talk · contribs)

The drafters reserve the right to amend the list of parties if necessary. The drafters anticipate that the case will include a two week evidence phase, a one week workshop phase, and a two week proposed decision phase.

The related Arbitration enforcement referral: Nableezy et al request has been folded into this case. Evidence from the related private matter, as alluded to in the Covert canvassing and proxying in the Israel-Arab conflict topic area case request, will be examined prior to the start of the case, and resolved separately.

For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 05:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Arbitration motions regarding Palestine-Israel articles

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