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It's great to see that my initial efforts on the Junior Forest Wardens page has been picked up, carried forward and extended by someone else!

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Thanks for your contributions to this article. When I constructed the page, the book I used was from the 1950s and stated UK, so it's unsuprising things have changed. Could you point me to an online source so I can reference your comments. I'm a bit confused as the CA homepage states that it looks after England, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 10:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The position is slightly confusing, as most things to do with governing bodies in the UK are. I have put a subsequent update which tries to clarify what the situation actually is at present.

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Thanks for reverting my edits where I got the wrong Boat Race - I try my best, but here's the issue: "Head of the River" refers to several races around the world. Can you please change those links to more specific references? Thanks again, PKT(alk) 17:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It may be better to have a link to Eights Week since those are the actual races for which the colleges are Head of the River. Cnwilliams (talk) 17:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, re these dabs: only the first one - that of John Moores (British businessman) - was correct. In all the other cases you used Sefton, Merseyside when it should have been Metropolitan Borough of Sefton. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Cnwilliams. In this edit to Ralf Schumacher, did you change the "bgcolor"s to "style=background" manually, or did a tool do it for you? If it was a tool, can you tell me where can I find it? (the URL linked in the edit summary indicates the tool is no longer at that location). Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 23:53, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was the dab_solver tool which made the changes automatically and it can be found at http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/dab_solver.py, even though the link in the edit history still shows the old URL. The tool is very useful for showing any ambiguous links you have added following an edit. Cnwilliams (talk) 13:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Your recent edit to Conor Cummins changed a link from Honda Racing, a disambiguation page, to Honda Racing Corporation which I felt was wrong; Cummins' own site states Honda Motor Europe [1] and the Honda site lists Honda Motor Europe as Honda Motor Europe Ltd [2]. I do not believe this is HRC. If you agree, would you please self-revert? Thx.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 19:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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On the article Boise metropolitan area you unlinked Carrington College. I'm wondering why you did this? If the reason was because it linked to a disambiguation page, the question becomes why not just change the link to the correct link of Carrington College (US) which is the correct link for this entry? _{Please ping upon reply} Etamni | ✉ | ✓  12:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Etamni: Thanks for the correction. I have been doing a lot of disambiguation over Christmas and must have felt when doing this one, that unlinking was a better solution than adding a don't know. The tool I use (Dab Solver) does make suggestions and sometimes there is no obvious link. If I had known that Carrington College (US) was the correct link then I would have used it. Cnwilliams (talk) 12:53, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Your recent removal of the Doctor of Chiropractic entry at 'Doctor' here seems to represent a POV? You removed DC "because it is only awarded in a few countries", yet left DPT and PharmD in the lede, which are only found in the US? I would say remove all non-international degrees, or leave them all, but to selectively remove 1 example seems like the reason is not consistent with the edit summary you left.2001:56A:75B7:9B00:D946:A423:7297:5E7C (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think you will find it was not me who removed it, but Arnoutf. I changed D.C. to Doctor of Chiropractic, because DC is ambiguous - it could mean District Of Columbia. Arnoutf then removed it. Cnwilliams (talk) 15:44, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi please can you explain why the GWR logo was removed from the Night Riviera article? The company logo has always been a part of this article, even under First Great Western. Therefore, I have reinstated it, please explain your decision. Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.203.67 (talk) 14:29, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No idea what you are on about. It was not me guv. Cnwilliams (talk) 20:45, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I noticed you restored the penalty shootouts to the List of Cardiff City F.C. records and statistics, however listing these seems like a rather irrelevant stat and is pushing overkill. No other stats list, especially ones that have been taken to FL, have this included. I would like to take this list, along with other Cardiff lists, to FL eventually (one down so far) and this will more than likely end up being a part that is removed in any promotion discussions. Kosack (talk) 14:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot agree with you. I think it is an interesting record and I am surprised that it has not been added to other club's stats. I think that they should be recorded somewhere because every time a club is involved in one there are discussions on how many there have been in the past and how the club has done. It does not add a huge amount to the page. It is not as if it is a table which is hundreds of lines long. Cnwilliams (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As per the guidelines at WP:NOTSTATS, Wiki is not a collection of statistics. Things like honours, most appearances and goals scored, youngest and oldest, etc are classed as notable achievements. A penalty shootout is a common occurrence and one that is simply a way of deciding a fixture. The omittance of them from any other lists, most notably the featured lists, is a telling factor in my eyes for their exclusion for now if we are to take featured lists as the bar for quality of pages. If you want to start a discussion at WP:FOOTBALL about including them, then I would be fine with putting them in if a consensus can be reached. Kosack (talk) 15:55, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, but there are at least two pages List of FIFA World Cup penalty shoot-outs and List of UEFA European Championship penalty shoot-outs and a whole category listing major matches decided by one, namely Category:Association football penalty shootouts. Moreover for any particular club they are not a common occurrence. Cardiff have only had ten in 45 years. With regards to the comment about Wiki not being a collection of statistics, why then is the page entitled List of Cardiff City F.C. records and statistics. I expect that they are not included in other club's records pages because no one has got around to working them out; I know it took me a bit of detective work a few years ago to work out Cardiff's ones. Looking at all the other records pages I find it interesting how variable in content they are; with very little in some of them. Cnwilliams (talk) 16:16, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Although I'm not advocating the inclusion of those pages, I'm assuming they are there due to the fact they are World Cup and European Championship matches which could claim a higher level of notability. A similar, if slightly less precise article, was deleted at AFD for not being encyclopedic. As I said in my previous comment, I believe the statistics title is used because it includes statistics that can be classed as achievements. All of the other pages have been created by users with substantial reference material to use so it's not a case of working them out. It would take me about ten minutes to flick through one reference book I have to find all of the penalty shootouts that Cardiff have been in. The majority of lists that have reached FL status are rather consistent with each other in the information they include. Kosack (talk) 16:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I noticed that on the page for Jane Raybould, you changed the party of U.S. Senator Deb Fischer from Republican to Liberal Republican, a party that has not been active for nearly 150 years. Was there a purpose to this?

No ulterior purpose - just a mistake when disambiguating Republican Party, which is a term that is ambiguous. I must have selected the wrong option when disambiguating it.

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Hi Cnwilliams, What is the reason behind your unlinking of divo in "pornodivo"? I thought it would be a helpful link since not everybody might be familiar with the term "divo". Flickyard (talk) 00:55, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The term divo is ambiguous and if you select it you will see it may mean a number of different things. It would be better if it was linked to the dictionary item divo and so I'll change it to that. Cnwilliams (talk) 18:33, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's perfect. Thank you! Flickyard (talk) 22:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for resolving so many links to disambiguation pages! When you unlink the link (rather than find a specific page for linking), could you please use an edit-summary that explains your reasoning? One that popped up on my watchlist actually should have gone to a specific article (in List of The Muppet Show episodes). Spot-checking some other of your recent "unlinking" changes found cases where there is no current viable target but there could be some day (in List of shopping malls in the United States, seems like it should remain to the DAB, or converted to a WP:REDYES redlink) and others where it seems clear there won't ever be an article on the topic (in Sterling Airways Flight 296 and Arden Anglican School). Seeing what you are thinking will help watchlisters and future editors a bit. DMacks (talk) 07:45, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your suggestions and I will try to bear it in mind in future. I don't do many unlinks, but when I do it is usually so obvious that it should not be a link that I don't always add a comment, but rely on the summary that dab_solver produces. Cnwilliams (talk) 08:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @DMacks:, leaving a link to the DAB is not an option unless the link itself refers to the ambiguity of the term, and WP:INTDABLINK is followed. If the link intends a missing topic that clearly should be made, then it should be made into a red link to the missing topic. bd2412 T 11:40, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the pointer to INTDABLINK! Is a good read for me as an editor. DMacks (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cnwilliams, Cardiff might be known as City in Wales, but they play in the Premier League. I have never heard someone refer to them as City (as I said, maybe they are City in Wales, but not the Premier League). If you think I'm 100% wrong then I won't argue any longer. Cheers, Ammar Elbehery (talk) 13:08, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What about Opted, doesn't that change it to find?? Ammar Elbehery (talk) 13:30, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I can assure you that the club are known to some people as the City. People will say phrases such as "I am going down to watch the City" meaning they are going down to watch a game involving the football club Cardiff City. Just because Manchester City are currently the top team it does not mean that they are the only football club known as the City. Similarly United does not necessarily refer to Manchester United.

With regards to the changes you have made on the Chelsea page please be careful correcting English grammar when it is probably not your first language. The club was founded is a standard phrase in English. Cnwilliams (talk) 13:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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You linked to Providence (novel) from author Max Barry's page. But the article you linked to was actually about a 2018 novel by Caroline Kepnes. Geo Swan (talk) 15:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the correction.

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Cnwilliams, thanks for disambiguating Henri Bernard in this edit at French National Committee. Unfortunately, the fix to the English side of the interwiki broke the blue link on the French side and turned it red. I’m mobile so can’t go into long explanations but see {{ill}} and the before/after of that edit and if you don’t see the problem pls ping me and I’ll explain it when I’m at a computer. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:34, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing it. I had not come across such a subtlety before. Cnwilliams (talk) 15:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, not sure if you're using some kind of tool to fix disambiguations. But one of your edits retargeted a link on Identity document from Purse to Handbag when it should have been Coin purse. I realise this was back in 2015, but it's only been discovered just now so I thought I should let you know as I can't tell whether it was a human error or a software bug. — Smjg (talk) 20:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the correction. I usually use dab_solver which presents you with various suggested changes. This one was so long ago I cannot remember what I would have been presented with as suggestions. It may well have been the case that Coin purse was not one of the possibilities. Cnwilliams (talk) 20:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please don't disambiguate without first checking if the target actually exists. We very rarely accept notable alumni without articles to show notability. Rather than disambiguating to a redlink the alumnus should have been removed. Meters (talk) 00:46, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there, nice work on your season articles recently. However, the addition of the results by round tables are a little concerning. The worries I have are:

What makes Cardiff City Forum a reliable website? I can't seem to find much on there that would point to it being one, baring in mind the additions made are to some FA and GA rated articles.

Are the results by round sections even worth including? In line with concerns raised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 128#Results by Round sections again and other discussions, the general consensus is against these sort of sections, not to mention that it's likely to be rather inaccurate during the prewar years as teams were often left with 4 or 5 games in hand over other sides.

If you can let me know what you think. Also, when adding a book source to a page, it's better to include a page number when using it is a reference for a single piece of information, such as the chairman additions. cheers. Kosack (talk) 15:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments. I agree that the history section on the Cardiff City forum could be seen to be unreliable, however I have found very few errors in it when comparing it with the various books that list past results, such as Richard Shepherd's Definitive Cardiff City or John Crooks's various books. I have spotted a couple of games where the score was listed as 3-1, or 3-0, when it should have been 3-0 or 3-1, but with a couple of thousand results there are bound to be one or two discrepancies. I don't know who put together the information to be found on the site, because there is no name attached to it - I wonder if it was Richard Shepherd himself. I believe it was put together over 20 years ago with the intention of being put on a website, but never was, until it found a recent home on the Cardiff City Forum.

I had forgotten that there had been a discussion on the WikiProject Football about Results by Round, and that there were a number of people who have been against them. All current seasons appear to include them and maybe it is just me, but I find them interesting to see how a club's position moves during the season. With regards to the accuracy of the positions I have checked a number at random, with the tables after the game as held in the English National Football Archive, and they have all agreed, so whoever put the information together appears to have been quite thorough.

Thanks for the reminder about the page number. The 1925-26 page was the only one I added an explicit reference to the Miscellany, because it was the only one where the Chairman was the only information I added and yes since it is a GA I should have been more explicit. Will try to remember in future.

For your information I want to complete the pages for the remaining Southern League seasons - there are four left to do. They do take a little more work, because many of the scorers don't have Wiki pages and there is always the danger of linking to the wrong person. I have written a number of python scripts that generate the Wiki pages from my spreadsheets and the data as held in the pages on the forum, which saves me having to type it all out from scratch.

Cnwilliams (talk) 16:58, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, we have to judge a source based on whether it can be reasonably established as a reliable source. If I was to take the forum site to an FAC now, it would never make it through a source review based on what I can see and I don't think we should be lowering the standards of the article now it's through. I've dropped an email to the site's contact page in the hope of establishing where the information comes from. For now, I've removed them from the two FA rated articles until we can ascertain the reliability of the site.

Just a word of warning on the Southern League seasons, I've always been under the impression that these would fail WP:NSEASONS as the league was not fully professional at the time. That's largely why I started expanding from 1920 onwards, so might be worth being doubly sure before investing too much time in them. Kosack (talk) 18:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and that makes sense for the time being. Will have a look at the Southern League Seasons. The two I have added were in Division 1 and other clubs have their seasons on Wiki. Not sure about the first four seasons, three of which were in Division 2. Cardiff were professional but I expect many of the others were not.

Cnwilliams (talk) 19:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I received an email from the forum moderator of the website. He states that the information was in the possession of another member who passed the information on. He pointed me towards This thread where the information is discussed. The best guesses suggest the site has no official affiliation with the club and may be the work of a single person. If that is the case, and the identity can't be confirmed, then that site can't be considered a reliable source really. Kosack (talk) 07:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK and thanks for following this up. It is a shame, because the information is very comprehensive and from everything I have seen it corresponds with the information in the various books by John Crooks, Richard Shepherd, and that held in the ENFA (English National Football Archive), though having said that there are some discrepancies in crowd figures and scorers, between Crooks and Shepherd - I have not checked whether Crooks or Shepherd matches ENFA. I'll remove the results by round sections I added to the pages that have reached GA since you have already removed it from the FA ones.

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