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GA Review
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Nominator: Yue (talk · contribs) 09:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Editør (talk · contribs) 02:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
I have started the review and plan to add more comments later. – Editør (talk) 02:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- I have added a couple more comments and I think this is enough for a first round of comments. I suggest that you first look at these things and because the article may undergo major changes that I will have another look after that for a second round if that is alright with you. – Editør (talk) 15:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: Howdy! Thanks for the review so far. I'll take a good look at your suggestions and comments late this week after I get home. I'll ping you again after some of those "major changes" are done; I hope you don't mind if this review and refine process takes a bit longer than the usual 7 days. If you do mind, of course let me know. Cheers. Yue🌙 14:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to try and finish this round of comments coming weekend and the entire review before the end of the month. Do you think that is feasible? – Editør (talk) 21:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Yue: ping – Editør (talk) 13:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: Apologies for my lack of progress so far; I'll get to it. Let's see what we can accomplish, it is definitely feasible. Yue🌙 23:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Yue That's great, let me know if you have questions or if I can help in another way. – Editør (talk) 15:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Yue: I think you've made some progress, but the article still needs a bit more work. Can you give an update? – Editør (talk) 12:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: That's the goal this Christmas Eve! Yue🌙 19:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: A little update: So I've been working on the article for a bit, and I'm not sure I can get it to GA status within a reasonable time. I can and will definitely implement most of your remaining suggestions, but it's been difficult finding reliable sources online for her national events, particularly her older ones. This was a minor issue I ran into with her international events.
- I think if I worked on this article in the long term, I could probably find archives and physical records for her national achievements. Depending on what I can accomplish before the end of this year, I may propose closing this nomination and having myself or someone else renominate in the future. Perhaps my nomination was premature, as I realised there is still quite a bit of work to be done, not just a bit. Yue🌙 21:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the nomination was probably a bit premature, but as I wrote to you in November "I think the article is currently at B class level and needs some additional work before I would pass it, but I believe this could be done through the GA review process." And I still believe this and I would like to help you where I can in my role as reviewer, like with sourcing.
- For all her officially registered results, also those of local competitions and national championships, you can use her WA profile (Statistics > Results > Select...) as a source, especially if no other sources are available. This website usually doesn't give much information about national records though, so for those you will probably need additional sources. However, for her current national records you can most likely reuse the sources of List of Santomean records in athletics and List of Portuguese records in athletics
- I'd be happy to help you search for additional sources or information, just let me know what you are looking for specifically. – Editør (talk) 12:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: First of all, I hope you had a Merry Christmas this year! This revision was the best I could do with the sources available online. I have attempted to implement every one of your suggestions thus far. Please let me know which particular things you'd still like to see improved, what's still missing, and I'll work on them next.
- Also, I took a look at Michael Phelps as an example of what we might be looking for in terms of detailed prose for a GA article, but unfortunately I think similar detailed online coverage of Gomes' events have been lost to link rot. Yue🌙 07:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- You've made a lot of progress! I will try and go through the article text and sourcing with a fine-tooth comb and I'll let you know about it here. – Editør (talk) 14:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- And you can only write on Wikipedia with the sources that are (still) existing. For older events, online newspaper archives can provide a lot of information. Have you tried to find Portuguese ones? I can also recommend checking out some recently passed good articles within the scope of the WikiProject Athletics for examples of prose, tables, etc regarding the sport of athletics such as Ryan Crouser (March 2024), Femke Bol (my nomination, December 2023), Yulimar Rojas (July 2022), or Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce (August 2020). – Editør (talk) 14:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- The second review round will probably take me more than a day. In the meantime, you can maybe look at my replies and my comments (one or two?) without a response. – Editør (talk) 20:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I will try to complete the second review round within a week. – Editør (talk) 22:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The second review round will probably take me more than a day. In the meantime, you can maybe look at my replies and my comments (one or two?) without a response. – Editør (talk) 20:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- And you can only write on Wikipedia with the sources that are (still) existing. For older events, online newspaper archives can provide a lot of information. Have you tried to find Portuguese ones? I can also recommend checking out some recently passed good articles within the scope of the WikiProject Athletics for examples of prose, tables, etc regarding the sport of athletics such as Ryan Crouser (March 2024), Femke Bol (my nomination, December 2023), Yulimar Rojas (July 2022), or Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce (August 2020). – Editør (talk) 14:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- You've made a lot of progress! I will try and go through the article text and sourcing with a fine-tooth comb and I'll let you know about it here. – Editør (talk) 14:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: That's the goal this Christmas Eve! Yue🌙 19:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Yue: I think you've made some progress, but the article still needs a bit more work. Can you give an update? – Editør (talk) 12:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Yue That's great, let me know if you have questions or if I can help in another way. – Editør (talk) 15:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: Apologies for my lack of progress so far; I'll get to it. Let's see what we can accomplish, it is definitely feasible. Yue🌙 23:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Yue: ping – Editør (talk) 13:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to try and finish this round of comments coming weekend and the entire review before the end of the month. Do you think that is feasible? – Editør (talk) 21:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: Howdy! Thanks for the review so far. I'll take a good look at your suggestions and comments late this week after I get home. I'll ping you again after some of those "major changes" are done; I hope you don't mind if this review and refine process takes a bit longer than the usual 7 days. If you do mind, of course let me know. Cheers. Yue🌙 14:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
First review round
[edit]Lead
[edit]- Post-nominal letters should not be used in the lead per MOS:POSTNOM – Fixed. Yue🌙
- "who competed primarily in long jump" doesn't seem to match with her setting national records in several other events – Removed. Yue🌙
- "and began formally practising athletics when she was 13" maybe remove this phrase from the lead, because she quickly stopped and resumed a year later – Done. Yue🌙
- "Prior to changing her nationality," can be removed and a new paragraph could be started here instead Done. – Yue🌙
- Maybe some specific times and point totals can be mentioned for her current or former records? – Done for long jump, as I think it is the most significant. Yue🌙
- Maybe some her most important medals can be mentioned? – Done, with your suggestions below. Yue🌙
- Is Naide a common short form of Enezaide? If not, it should be mentioned in the first sentence per MOS:NICKNAME. – Editør (talk) 11:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC) Done. – Yue🌙
- This source says on page 11: "Was: Enezenaide Gomes STP Then: Naide Gomes POR". So her birth name may not have been spelled correctly. It makes it clearer where the short form "Naide" comes from, but I think it should probably still be mentioned in the way it is now, analogous to the example of Tina Fey in MOS:NICKNAME). – Editør (talk) 12:15, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- In this source that was used for her name already, the same spelling is given: "the woman whose full name is Enezenaide do Rosario da Vera Cruz Gomes". – Editør (talk) 12:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not 100% certain about how her name is divided under Portuguese custom, but I do know "Gomes" is definitely not a generational suffix, and Latin names tend to be shortened in the middle (i.e. "do Rosário da Vera Cruz") for the sake of technical limitations. Yue🌙 22:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Naide is a nickname according to a quote of hers in that World Athletics article: "Thankfully for stadium announcers and journalists everywhere she has decided to adopt a shortened version. 'I am proud of my name but it is a long one, even for Portuguese names, and my family has actually always called me Naide.'" Yue🌙 23:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think the explanation you've added about her nickname in the article is useful, so I would keep it. But the issue I tried to raise with the two sources on 25 December was that a syllable appears to be missing in her full first name in the article, according to these sources it is "Enezenaide". – Editør (talk) 14:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Naide is a nickname according to a quote of hers in that World Athletics article: "Thankfully for stadium announcers and journalists everywhere she has decided to adopt a shortened version. 'I am proud of my name but it is a long one, even for Portuguese names, and my family has actually always called me Naide.'" Yue🌙 23:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not 100% certain about how her name is divided under Portuguese custom, but I do know "Gomes" is definitely not a generational suffix, and Latin names tend to be shortened in the middle (i.e. "do Rosário da Vera Cruz") for the sake of technical limitations. Yue🌙 22:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- In this source that was used for her name already, the same spelling is given: "the woman whose full name is Enezenaide do Rosario da Vera Cruz Gomes". – Editør (talk) 12:35, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- This source says on page 11: "Was: Enezenaide Gomes STP Then: Naide Gomes POR". So her birth name may not have been spelled correctly. It makes it clearer where the short form "Naide" comes from, but I think it should probably still be mentioned in the way it is now, analogous to the example of Tina Fey in MOS:NICKNAME). – Editør (talk) 12:15, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Her full name "Enezaide do Rosário da Vera Cruz Gomes" seems to contain three family names, but the hatnote only mentions two. If she has indeed three family names, could this be clarified in the hatnote? – Editør (talk) 11:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC) – Fixed. Yue🌙
- The first line and first paragraph are important, because they inform the reader about the article subject, and are also used outside Wikipedia in some search engines. I think the current first paraphraph could be improved on its focus. Below is a suggestion for the first paragraph. Subsequent paragraphs of the lead could expand on the elements in the first paragraph: nationality, events, medals, and records, but of course all summarizing the article. This can perhaps also help giving you an idea of what's important throughout the article: giving details and context about these things mentioned in the lead. – Editør (talk) 12:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Enezaide "Naide" do Rosário da Vera Cruz Gomes (born 20 November 1979) is a São Toméan-born Portuguese retired athlete who competed in long jump, several other separate events, and the combined events. She is the 2004 World Indoor Champion in the pentathlon and the 2008 World Indoor Champion in the long jump. She is also the São Toméan record holder in eight disciplines and the Portuguese record holder in five disciplines.
Infobox
[edit]- "Athletics, in Berlin" no comma needed here. – Fixed. Yue🌙
- It would perhaps make more sense to swap the two photos in this article, the jump photo to go with the career section and the photo where you can clearly see her face in the infobox. – Done. Yue🌙
- "Nationality: Portugal" I think this should be 'Portuguese'. – Fixed. Yue🌙
- Shouldn't her nationality from before 2001 be added as well? – Done. Yue🌙
- The medal record is not very long and isn't in the way of images in the article, so I think it can be shown by default. – Done. Yue🌙
- Where available event articles can be linked, such as 2006 IAAF World Indoor Championships – Women's long jump. – Done. Yue🌙
- An alt text for the image should be added per MOS:ALT. – Done. Yue🌙
Early life and education
[edit]- Is "São Tomé and Príncipe" the most precise birth place that could be given? – Added São Tomé. Yue🌙
- "her grandfather was from Portugal" is this connected to her adapting to life in Lisbon? Maybe this could be explained. – Removed. I found a Portuguese source that quotes Gomes saying her grandfather is Portuguese but did not sponsor her mother, but no connection was made by Gomes to herself, so it isn't really relevant. Yue🌙
- "by that time she 'was among the best heptathletes and high jumpers in Portugal', and had begun to seriously consider becoming a Portuguese citizen." are her performance and citizenship related? If so this should be explained. – Done. Yue🌙
- Does this section contain enough information about her education to merit the word in the section heading? It is more about when she started with athletics. – "Early life" is perhaps a more appropriate, general section heading. Yue🌙
- "formally practising athletics" I'm not sure 'formal' is the right term here. Do you mean she joined an athletics club? – Fixed. Yue🌙
Career
[edit]- Could this section be divided into meaningful subsections? – Putting less meaningful subheadings for now. Yue🌙 06:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think it is already an improvement, meaningful sectioning helps me as a reader. Maybe you could use my comments/questions below about stopping with combined events in 2005 and the period between 2011 and 2015 for this as well. Here is a suggestion for a subdivision into periods (based on my unresearched assumptions): 1998–2001 (São Tomé and Príncipe) / 2001–2005 (Portugal) / 2006–2010 (long jump) / 2011–2015 (injuries and retirement). Feel free to change it or come up with something entirely different. – Editør (talk) 12:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Yue🌙 05:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Again an improvement! It makes the Career section much easier digestible for the reader. – Editør (talk) 12:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Yue🌙 05:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think it is already an improvement, meaningful sectioning helps me as a reader. Maybe you could use my comments/questions below about stopping with combined events in 2005 and the period between 2011 and 2015 for this as well. Here is a suggestion for a subdivision into periods (based on my unresearched assumptions): 1998–2001 (São Tomé and Príncipe) / 2001–2005 (Portugal) / 2006–2010 (long jump) / 2011–2015 (injuries and retirement). Feel free to change it or come up with something entirely different. – Editør (talk) 12:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a selection criterion for what competitions are discussed? For instance, for the year 2010, there are two major championships mentioned, but nothing else. – I only added highlights from her international events because I initially thought her domestic titles would be too numerous, but perhaps adding her domestic achievements would serve this article well. Yue🌙
- There are international championships (like the European Athletics Championships), which can be among the highlights of the sport season, but there are also national or international competitions and national championships that she may have competed in. Maybe she made big improvements or broke (national) records in these competitions and championships (see also my comment about a long jump progression overview at Records). Maybe there were interesting developments leading up to big championships. Maybe she got injured and dropped out of a competition. I think these things should only be included if they improve the article. You could choose case by case, but it may be easier to spot if you've missed something when you use some sort of selection criteria. – Editør (talk) 11:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- If you decide to add more details, this may generate new ideas about sectioning and subheadings. – Editør (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: These are the edits I've made in the past 48 hours and these are the replies I've made since your last comment (sorry for my lack of timestamps). I think this comment of yours is the main bit I still need to work on. I've only ran into one glaring issue after my last batch of edits, which is, for the national records the competitions are not always stated and searches of the dates online give no relevant results, likely because the competitions are too old, too minor of a domestic competition, or both. Furthermore, the sources I used for the Santomean and Portuguese records are from 2007 and 2010, respectively, and I have been unable to find more up to date ones. I have also been unable to find sources attesting to her records being broken after her withdrawal from the track and eventual retirement. Thus in regard to her records being held, it is my assumption based on lack of evidence to the contrary. Yue🌙 23:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- This source lists the current Portuguese records in athletics, according to the Portuguese Athletics Federation. I will try to find a more recent source for the Santomean records as well. – Editør (talk) 14:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- From page 656 onwards, the Santomean national records marked "STP" are listed in this source from 2022. Not yet 2024, but more recent than 2007/2010. – Editør (talk) 14:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- This source lists the current Portuguese records in athletics, according to the Portuguese Athletics Federation. I will try to find a more recent source for the Santomean records as well. – Editør (talk) 14:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: These are the edits I've made in the past 48 hours and these are the replies I've made since your last comment (sorry for my lack of timestamps). I think this comment of yours is the main bit I still need to work on. I've only ran into one glaring issue after my last batch of edits, which is, for the national records the competitions are not always stated and searches of the dates online give no relevant results, likely because the competitions are too old, too minor of a domestic competition, or both. Furthermore, the sources I used for the Santomean and Portuguese records are from 2007 and 2010, respectively, and I have been unable to find more up to date ones. I have also been unable to find sources attesting to her records being broken after her withdrawal from the track and eventual retirement. Thus in regard to her records being held, it is my assumption based on lack of evidence to the contrary. Yue🌙 23:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- If you decide to add more details, this may generate new ideas about sectioning and subheadings. – Editør (talk) 12:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- There are international championships (like the European Athletics Championships), which can be among the highlights of the sport season, but there are also national or international competitions and national championships that she may have competed in. Maybe she made big improvements or broke (national) records in these competitions and championships (see also my comment about a long jump progression overview at Records). Maybe there were interesting developments leading up to big championships. Maybe she got injured and dropped out of a competition. I think these things should only be included if they improve the article. You could choose case by case, but it may be easier to spot if you've missed something when you use some sort of selection criteria. – Editør (talk) 11:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- "After a lengthy naturalisation process" the word 'lengthy' should be quantified or it should be rephrased. – Done. Yue🌙
- "She earned her first gold medal" first ever, first international, or first global gold medal? – Fixed. Yue🌙
- Did she stop competing in the combined events after 2005? – At the international level, yes. However, I cannot find a source that explicitly says that, just stats tables from Sporting CP that list domestic combined events and World Athletics that list only international long jump events. Yue🌙
- An alt text for the image should be added per MOS:ALT. – Done. Yue🌙
- There is little information about her career between 2011 and her retirement in 2015. Did she compete at all? – Not after an injury in 2013, but I have been unable to find a reliable source going in-depth about the injury. Yue🌙
- Is there any information about the last 10 years of her life and career after her retirement from competitive athletics? – Not much online, but this might not be true for archives and physical sources. Yue🌙
- Does she have a legacy in her birth or adopted country? Did she inspire anyone? – Same as point above. I found one volunteer role as an ambassador for the 2022 São Silvestre El Corte Inglés. Yue🌙
International results
[edit]- The table should have a caption, row headers, and row scopes per MOS:DTAB. – Done. Yue🌙
- Abbreviations like h and q should be explained with {{AthAbbr}}. – Done. Yue🌙
- The Notes column should be called Results. – Done. Yue🌙
- An additional Notes column would be interesting to indicate which results were national records. – Done. Yue🌙
- The results are linked to the event articles, so it would make more sense to move these links from the Result to the Event column. – Done. Yue🌙
- Countries don't need to be linked. – Fixed. Yue🌙
- Maybe tables or lists with her national titles and circuit wins could be added as well? If so, these and 'International results' can be subsections of 'Competition results'.
- The section doesn't reference any sources. Most information can probably be covered by referencing her World Athletics profile page, but for some details such as placings and records additional sources may be needed. – Fixed. You can access a full event list with placement and results at the World Athletics profile > Results > Major Championships. Yue🌙
- The table should probably be split into two per MOS:COLHEAD. – Editør (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC) – Done. Yue🌙
Records
[edit]- I think a table or list with her personal bests would be informative here, including which were records and if/when they were broken.
- Here or in the Career section, perhaps a table showing her progression in the long jump would be interesting as well. – Done. Her Portuguese records have yet to be broken, and, although the STP records are from a 2007 source, from what I gather they haven't been broken yet either. Yue🌙
Honours
[edit]- The post-nominal letters could be mentioned here.
- Is this the only honour or non-medal award she received during her career? If so, one sentence is a bit short for a section, perhaps it could be integrated into the career section. – Done. Yue🌙
See also
[edit]External links
[edit]- You may want to consider using {{Sport links}} to automatically add additional links.
- "Women's Long Jump – Season's Best" only needs a capital at the start. – Done. Yue🌙
- All flags could be omitted, although MOS:FLAGS doesn't strictly forbid them. – I'll keep them just because it's common practice in other articles. Yue🌙
- No problem. Though in general, I think consistency within an article is more important than consistency between articles, especially when these other articles did not undergo a review process. – Editør (talk) 11:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Categories may be alphabetized for easier navigation. – Done. Yue🌙
- Add category "European Athletics Indoor Championships winners" – Editør (talk) 11:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC) – Done. Yue🌙
- For the categories "Portuguese female ..." and "São Tomé and Príncipe female ...", should these include all her events or just the events she competed in at the time she was representing that nation? – Editør (talk) 11:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC) – Probably the latter, as it's the sport nationality. Yue🌙
- Okay, so using that interpretation, I think some categories can still be added for both nations she represented. – Editør (talk) 12:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Second review round
[edit]Lead
[edit]- In her full name, her first name is "Enezenaide" not "Enezaide" (see First review round) – Editør (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The quotation marks around her nickname Naide in the first line shouldn't be in bold per MOS:NICKNAME. – Editør (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- "retired athlete who competed in several events": the term 'athlete' can mean a 'competitor in the sport of athletics' but also simply 'sportsperson', so I think "track and field" should be added here. I would also try to avoid the use of the somewhat arbitrary "notably" and I don't think it should be used in the first line. Maybe the first line can go "is a São Toméan-born Portuguese retired track and field athlete who competed in jumping, throwing, hurdling, and combined events." It shows she was an allround athlete, while the two world indoor titles mentioned in the following sentence already highlight pentathlon (combined events) and long jump. – Editør (talk) 14:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Adjusted. Yue🌙 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- If "long jump" is taken out of the first sentence, it can be wikilinked in the second sentence. – Editør (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Records section lists nine São Toméan records instead of eight. – Editør (talk) 02:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Infobox
[edit]- The
fullname
parameter should probably be changed intobirth_name
, because after her marriage her official full name has possibly changed. – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- In her birth name, her first name is "Enezenaide" not "Enezaide" (see First review round). – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The
national_team
parameter should probably be changed intonationality
with the nations as adjectives, because now it doesn't match the periods and I don't think 'team' is the right term for the mostly individual sport of athletics. You could also choosecitizenship
if you prefer the proper nouns. – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- These two elements that indicate her nationality should be in chronological order. – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Her birth place can be more specific as "São Tomé, São Tomé and Príncipe". – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Adjusted. Yue🌙 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Turned pro 18 July 1998" should have a source, because it is not discussed elsewhere in the article. – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Assumed date; removed. Yue🌙 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- For the bronze medal at 2009 Berlin, see my comment in the Career section below. – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The name İzmir starts with the Turkish letter İ and on Wikipedia it is spelled as such. – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Early life
[edit]- "Enezaide do Rosário da Vera Cruz Gomes" – her first name should be "Enezenaide" (see First review round). – Editør (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe a little bit of explanation about São Tomé and Príncipe would aid most readers, that is an island country off the coast of western Africa and that Portuguese is its official language as a former colony of Portugal (compare "She was originally from Sao Tome and Principe, the small cluster of islands off the west coast of Africa which has a popluation of just 137,000, and gained it’s independence from Portugal in 1975." in source). – Editør (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Formatting source #1: "Naide GOMES" the surname in the source title shouldn't be in all caps. – Editør (talk) 13:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- What is the source for her birth place, source #3? I think that in this short text, São Tomé could be a shorthand form for the country instead of the capital. – Editør (talk) 13:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is a possibility. I suppose to be on the safe side it should just be reverted to the country name for now. Yue🌙 06:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think a good choice until you find a more definite source. – Editør (talk) 02:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- That is a possibility. I suppose to be on the safe side it should just be reverted to the country name for now. Yue🌙 06:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- "[not] wealthy ... but never lack[ing] anything either." with so much changes in the sentence, the quotation marks seem superfluous. "during her childhood," can be removed because of the repetition of 'childhood'. So the sentence would read: "which she later described as having been not wealthy, but never lacking anything either." – Editør (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Adjusted. Yue🌙 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- "the nickname "Naide"" nickname doesn't need the quotation marks. – Editør (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- "her given name Enezaide" given name should be "Enezenaide". – Editør (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- "as her family already spoke Portuguese natively" in the source, Gomes only says it is her native language not her family's, so this sentence should be changed accordingly. – Editør (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- "academic studies" the term 'academic' can mean many different things, I would relate "academic studies" to university education, but here it means 'schoolwork' per source, so I think that word should be used here. – Editør (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- This source mentions that Moniz Pereira drew Gomes to Sporting CP, do you think that is relevant for this section? – Editør (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Done. Yue🌙 20:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- "pressuring her" sounds strong and suggests it was perhaps against her will, but when looking at the source it says something like "put a little pressure on it" or "they pressed a little" (pressionaram um bocadinho), which seems to have a different connotation as far as I can tell. – Editør (talk) 14:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Changed from "pressured" to "recommended". Yue🌙 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- "until four years later" this is not in the source, so theoretically it could also be three years and two days, so I think this bit should be omitted. – Editør (talk) 14:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed that this source gives her first name as "Enezaide" again on page 8600. It seems like an official source, but also one wherein a typo couldn't be corrected. Should this be included, in a footnote or otherwise? – Editør (talk) 00:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Portuguese Wikipedia uses both first names in the article that wasn't very helpful. But this source (enter 'Enezaide Gomes' in the field 'Nome') gives her first name as "Enezaide", which seems to be another somewhat official source. So the name change I asked for was perhaps premature. Can you sort this out? – Editør (talk) 00:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Her club uses "Enezenaide" per source. – Editør (talk) 02:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- As does the Olympic website. I think adding a note will suffice, especially since, as you have already established, most reliable sources use "Enezenaide". Yue🌙 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think a note like this is a suitable solution. The two government(-related) sources, which may actually be considered the more official and therefore more reliable ones by some, give "Enezaide"; and the WA and Sporting, which seem closer to and in direct contact with Gomes, give "Enezenaide" as her name. – Editør (talk) 15:52, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is also the possibility that "Enezenaide" made her name exceed the character limit on her legal documents, hence "Enezaide". Yue🌙 20:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think a note like this is a suitable solution. The two government(-related) sources, which may actually be considered the more official and therefore more reliable ones by some, give "Enezaide"; and the WA and Sporting, which seem closer to and in direct contact with Gomes, give "Enezenaide" as her name. – Editør (talk) 15:52, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- As does the Olympic website. I think adding a note will suffice, especially since, as you have already established, most reliable sources use "Enezenaide". Yue🌙 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Her club uses "Enezenaide" per source. – Editør (talk) 02:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- The Portuguese Wikipedia uses both first names in the article that wasn't very helpful. But this source (enter 'Enezaide Gomes' in the field 'Nome') gives her first name as "Enezaide", which seems to be another somewhat official source. So the name change I asked for was perhaps premature. Can you sort this out? – Editør (talk) 00:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- This source from 2008 says that Mario Anibal and Carl Lewis were her role models in athletics, I think this could be added. – Editør (talk) 01:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Career
[edit]- In the first review round, I asked if there were selection criteria for which competitions to include. Without these criteria, I am having difficulty to review this section, so I will attempt to establish them here. I think her national and international championships should be included. Outside these, the Hypo-Meeting in Götzis for the combined events and the IAAF Golden League and Diamond League meetings for separate events should probably also be included, because it is my understanding these are the most important ones on the athletics calendar. In order for the section to go beyond a result list in prose form, it should give the reader some idea of the progression of her personal bests and of her injuries and their effect on her competition results, which may result in including some smaller competitions as well. What do you think about this? – Editør (talk) 14:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: I think your scope suggestion is the correct path forward. Also, if I'm being frank, you've gone far beyond the call of duty for a reviewer and contributed to a significant portion of the new material, which I thank you immensely for. Yue🌙 08:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- You're welcome, I'm glad that I'm able to contribute towards making this women's article green, event if it falls outside the time frame of the project's event. For a moment, I thought you wanted to end the review, so I needed some time to consider, but it looks like that is no longer the case. Let me give you some suggestions on how to approach this section.
- I think the year subsections can be quite helpful to expand the Career section systematically.
- You can use the WA profile for the official results recorded by World Athletics as a starting point, some smaller local meetings may not be there, but those are probably not as important anyways. From there you can search for additional information for some of these competitions for some context (only when relevant to Gomes of course).
- The WA profile also has information about her best results per year for each event under Statistics > Progression. You can use this if more precise information about the progression of her personal bests is not available elsewhere, in Gomes' case probably most interesting for the long jump (see also my comment about a table for her long jump PBs elsewhere).
- Let me know if you need help with finding specific info, sources, etc. – Editør (talk) 20:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: I think your scope suggestion is the correct path forward. Also, if I'm being frank, you've gone far beyond the call of duty for a reviewer and contributed to a significant portion of the new material, which I thank you immensely for. Yue🌙 08:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- This source from 2008 gives some additional information for this section: – Editør (talk) 01:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- The reason why she stopped competing in the combined events: "However, a knee injury, in the following year, limited her ability to train effectively for the High Jump and Hurdles and thus ended her career as a multi-event athlete." But I'm not sure the timeline in the article matches with the competition results in her WA profile, so this probably needs to be sorted out.
- I was unable to find much online on Portuguese or English sites about her injury in 2005 aside from an interview in which she basically repeated the same thing. I could not determine the exact dates or date range. Yue🌙 08:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- You may be referring to this quote from 2007 (source):
I think it establishes the year that she switched as 2006 and gives a reasonable explanation as well, so I think the year and explanation can be included referencing this source. – Editør (talk) 15:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)"I don't think I will be able to do combined events again. In the last year or so I have had problems with my left leg, specifically my left knee. High jumping seemed to irritate it a lot. I have in fact been having some pain in the knee for several years, and hurdling sometimes causes problems as well." "However, long jumping doesn't seem to cause the same problems so at the start of last year my coach and I decided to just concentrate on that event. It had become my best individual event as well although I still hold the Portuguese Indoor High Jump record."
- I was referring to a different quote, but I added both. Yue🌙 23:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- You may be referring to this quote from 2007 (source):
- I was unable to find much online on Portuguese or English sites about her injury in 2005 aside from an interview in which she basically repeated the same thing. I could not determine the exact dates or date range. Yue🌙 08:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- That she was in her second year of studying physiotherapy in 2008, but skipped that year.
- She won the 'best athlete of the year' award from the sports’ journalists association of Portugal in 2008.
- She underwent two operations in 2008.
- All of the above was added. Yue🌙 23:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The reason why she stopped competing in the combined events: "However, a knee injury, in the following year, limited her ability to train effectively for the High Jump and Hurdles and thus ended her career as a multi-event athlete." But I'm not sure the timeline in the article matches with the competition results in her WA profile, so this probably needs to be sorted out.
- Bronze medal at 2009 Berlin: this situation was more complicated, she finished fourth, but the silver medalist had a doping violation. The article 2009 World Championships in Athletics – Women's long jump says "No changes in medals have been announced yet." The third place and bronze medal are not in the source (#38 "12th IAAF World Championships in Athletics – Results"). – Editør (talk) 12:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Updated. Yue🌙 22:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
International results
[edit]- The heading "International results" seems imprecise, the content is limited to championships, so "International championships" or "International championship results" seems more appropriate. – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- In the both table captions, maybe "final results" isn't a clear term to me, maybe it can be replaced with "international championship results"? If the caption becomes to long "Naide" could be omitted, and if necessary "Gomes'" as well. – Editør (talk) 21:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The tables can be made sortable by adding "sortable" as table class, this may be usefull here so things can be grouped/ordered. – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Both tables require column scopes, i.e.
scope="col"
should be added to each column header like this!scope="col"|Results
(MOS:DTT) – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC) - Both tables also require row scopes, i.e.
scope="row"
for headers spanning one row andscope="rowgroup"
for headers spanning multiple rows. (MOS:DTT) – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC) - The current row headers are not unique, so I think the row headers can best span two columns. If you put the Year column first in these chronologically ordered tables, a row will read like "2000 Ibero-American Championships". It would look something like the code example below. And if you want to have more control over the layout, you can add "plainrowheaders" as table class. – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
!scope="rowgroup" rowspan="2"|2000
!scope="row"|Ibero-American Championships
|-
!scope="row"|Olympic Games
- When all rows of a table are based on one source, maybe the source reference can be added to the table caption once instead of added to each row. It is simpler, without losing information. Another similar option is that you put a phrase before the table explaning where the information is based on, something like "All information in this section is based on her World Athletics profile unless indicated otherwise.[ref]" – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The word "Athletics" can be omitted in "Central African Athletics Championships" to match the other championships in style. – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The hurdling times of the 1999 Central African Athletics Championships look like they could be hand-timed results. If they are, they should probably be marked as such with
h
as suffix. – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC) - "5th Heptathlon 4974 pts": for the 1999 All-Africa Games, this result is not in the source. – Editør (talk) 22:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2000 African Combined Events Championships is missing. – Editør (talk) 22:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- "36th (h)": for the 2000 Olympics, the information "36th" is not in the source. Round 1 is sometimes wrongly referred to as "heats", but heats are typically used in both round 1 and the semi-finals, so I think it can better be marked as "(r1)" instead of "(h)". – Editør (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2002 European Cup (athletics) is missing, should this be added? – Editør (talk) 22:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Editør: To my understanding, the European Cup had a league system in which countries were promoted the next year from the 2nd League → 1st League → Super League, or relegated the other direction. Gomes only participated in the 1st League (all iterations except 2002) and 2nd League (2002), and never had the opportunity to compete in the Super League due to the Portuguese team's collective inability to promote there. I'm not so sure if Gomes' European Cup results are notable because none of them took place at the highest level of competition for that event. Yue🌙 22:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- The European Cup was transformed into the European Athletics Team Championships, which suggests that these competitions are considered international championships today, so I think they should be included in this table. The specific league doesn't automatically reflect the individual athlete's quality, but is also strongly influenced by country size and popularity of athletics in that country. If you name them something like "European Cup – First League" in the table, it is clear what tier she was competing in. – Editør (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: To my understanding, the European Cup had a league system in which countries were promoted the next year from the 2nd League → 1st League → Super League, or relegated the other direction. Gomes only participated in the 1st League (all iterations except 2002) and 2nd League (2002), and never had the opportunity to compete in the Super League due to the Portuguese team's collective inability to promote there. I'm not so sure if Gomes' European Cup results are notable because none of them took place at the highest level of competition for that event. Yue🌙 22:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- The 2003 Hypo-Meeting is not a championship, so I don't think it belongs in this table, or otherwise all sorts of other international meeting results should be added here. – Editør (talk) 21:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2003 European Cup (athletics) is missing – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- "16th (q)": for the 2003 Universiade, the info "16th" is not in the source. – Editør (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The "NR" marks can better be explained like this
{{AthAbbr|NR|Portuguese}}
so it automatically adds a link to the list of Portuguese records. – Editør (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC) - Do you have a source for the NR marks? – Editør (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2004 European Cup (athletics) is missing – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- "17th (q)": for the 2005 World Championships, the info "17th" is not in the source. – Editør (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2006 European Cup (athletics) is missing – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The "6.84 m" at the 2006 European Championships should be marked "w" (wind-assisted) – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2006 IAAF World Cup is also missing – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2007 European Cup (athletics) is missing – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2008 European Cup (athletics) is missing – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- "31st (q)": for the 2008 Olympics, the info "31st" is not in the source. – Editør (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2009 European Team Championships came before the 2009 Lusophony Games, so these table rows should be switched – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- A wind-assisted result can best be marked like this
{{AthAbbr|w}}
. – Editør (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC) - The 2010 European Team Championships is missing – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The 2011 European Team Championships is missing – Editør (talk) 22:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Gomes had international success, but I don't think to the extent that it makes her national titles irrelevant. Therefore I think that her results in national championships should be listed as well, see for table examples Ryan Crouser#National championships or Femke Bol#National championships. It will need it's own (sub)section heading. – Editør (talk) 23:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- All the requested fixes and tweaks above were done. I added a table of Portuguese championship titles but not overall results because it isn't clear to me from the results list on the World Athletics profile which events are the Portuguese championships and indoor championships and which are sub- or derivative championships. I found a list on the Sporting Wiki that matches the list of national championships on the World Athletics profile. Yue🌙 05:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- In her WA profile, I read that she also participated in Spanish, Russian, and Romanian championships, but I didn't really understand this. Do you know anything about this? – Editør (talk) 00:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I believe the Russian and Romanian events are international track meets. I don't have an explanation for the Spanish championships though. Looking into it. Yue🌙 22:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Records
[edit]- "Gomes set and holds" and "She also set and holds": the words "set and holds" sound a bit unusual, I think that "set and" can be omitted, because it is implied when someone holds a record. – Editør (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- A 2024 source (or at least a more recent source) for the records is needed to show they were not recently broken (see suggestions above in the First review round) – Editør (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Notably, she set the record": I would suggest a rewrite to "She improved the record" – Editør (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Can you expand a bit more about her records? Compared to other athletes, does she have the most? Are they standing longer than other records? Only when you can find something that is notable to include of course. – Editør (talk) 23:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps it can be specified in the table caption "Records held by Naide Gomes for São Tomé and Príncipe" what records, perhaps change it to "San Tomean national records by Naide Gomes" – Editør (talk) 23:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am not sure about the abbreviation "o", I don't think this is standard, is it? It makes sense with "i" for indoor, but this "i" as standard abbreviation is used behind a result like "49.56 s i". Perhaps the tables would be clearer if you add a Type column for 'outdoor' or 'indoor'? – Editør (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- I recommend that you order the events in World Athletics' usual way, like in the scheduling table in Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics; in addition, outdoor events are usually listed before indoor events. – Editør (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- For outdoor results in sprinting and hurdling up to 200 metres and in horizontal jumping, the wind speed is typically mentioned in tables with national records or personal bests, but they are missing in the table with São Toméan records. – Editør (talk) 23:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- In the sport of athletics, someone's best achievement in a specific event is referred to as a 'person best' abbreviated as 'PB'. Gomes' Portuguese records are also her personal bests for these event, but not all her personal bests are national records. Therefore I think that the table for her Portuguese records should be replaced with a table for her personal bests where the results can be marked as 'NR' when they are a Portuguese record. This is also a more durable solution: her personal bests will last, so information about her performances will be preserved, but the records will be broken and that would leave an empty table when they are displayed in this form. I'm not sure what to do with the table with her São Toméan records. It can stay as far as I'm concerned, but also has that durability issue, so there may be a more elegant solution for it. – Editør (talk) 23:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- If you decide to add her personal bests, you will probably need to change section heading and/or add a subsection. – Editør (talk) 23:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Personal life
[edit]- I think this section is rather short. I would suggest that you change the section heading to "After retirement" or something better sounding, move it up to below the 'Injury and retirement' section, and merge it with the information from the Injury and retirement section about the time after her retirement, i.e. "as well as a desire to become a coach or physiotherapist to remain in professional athletics. She also announced that she was expecting her first child.[42][46] Gomes ultimately chose to become a physiotherapist after her retirement from athletics. She later served as an ambassador for the 2022 São Silvestre El Corte Inglés, an annual running event in Lisbon.[47]" This way you have a section with a little bit more content and a place to add new information about the present-day if it becomes available. – Editør (talk) 00:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Was her last name changed when she married? – Editør (talk) 00:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- All the above was moved into the rest of the article body. I couldn't find a source that gave a name different from Naide Gomes, and she still uses that name on her social media. Yue🌙 23:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Final review round
[edit]I think the article has improved considerably. Here are some last comments before I can pass the article, they are mostly about newly added prose/tables and (the formatting of) the references that I hadn't looked into before. After this I will go through the six good article criteria one more time, but I think that most of it is covered already. – Editør (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yue I think we're almost there. You can find my replies and one or two additional comments below. – Editør (talk) 12:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yue I believe the footnote about her first name is the last open issue. Would you look at that one last time? – Editør (talk) 10:47, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Lead
[edit]- "She notably improved" –> "She improved", noting it in the lead already implies that it's notable
- "She is also the São Toméan record holder in nine disciplines and the Portuguese record holder in five disciplines.", this does no longer corresponds with the National records section, I suggest that you change it to something like "She has held São Toméan records in nine disciplines still holding three as of 2022 and has held Portuguese records in five disciplines still holding three as of 2024."
- Done. Yue🌙 09:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- For the Portuguese records, it should be "(holding three as of 2025)" with the replaced source. – Editør (talk) 12:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Right, Fixed. Yue🌙 22:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- For the Portuguese records, it should be "(holding three as of 2025)" with the replaced source. – Editør (talk) 12:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Done. Yue🌙 09:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Early life
[edit]- "in hopes of training under athletics coach Mário Moniz Pereira.": I think the source is vaguer about the position of Moniz Pereira than you are here. Was he still working as a coach or was he a board member at the time? Unfortunately, his Wikipedia article doesn't break his career at Sporting down year by year.
- Adjusted . Yue🌙 09:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Career
[edit]- "She jumped the same distance in the high jump event at the 1998 African Championships held in August in Dakar, Senegal, but tied for third with Nigeria's Nkechinyere Mbaoma.", the sources give conflicting information, I don't think they merit merging into being tied for third place like this.
- @Editør: Do you think it's better to be safe than sorry and to remove that part about Dakar altogether? Yue🌙 07:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any mention of Gomes or Nkechinyere Mbaoma on the website of the Confederation of African Athletics, so I couldn't corroborate the information from either source that way. The referenced WA article is contradicted by the linked Wikipedia article and the source used there, so I think you should somehow account for that discrepancy in a footnote. Without a corroborating source and an explanation, this information should be removed here and from the table in the 'International championship results' section. – Editør (talk) 12:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: I tried the same thing and couldn't find another mention of this achievement by Gomes; I reckon the author of the WA article may have been mistaken. I think your latter suggestion is the most appropriate choice; I will remove mentions of the Dakar bronze. Yue🌙 22:21, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I couldn't find any mention of Gomes or Nkechinyere Mbaoma on the website of the Confederation of African Athletics, so I couldn't corroborate the information from either source that way. The referenced WA article is contradicted by the linked Wikipedia article and the source used there, so I think you should somehow account for that discrepancy in a footnote. Without a corroborating source and an explanation, this information should be removed here and from the table in the 'International championship results' section. – Editør (talk) 12:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: Do you think it's better to be safe than sorry and to remove that part about Dakar altogether? Yue🌙 07:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- "and was assigned to lane seven of heat six for the first round", the assigned lane seems irrelevant in a straight-lane race like the 100 metres hurdles, unless it is somehow relevant in the context, but this should be explained
- Just unnecessary detail. I removed it. Yue🌙 09:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- "Acquisition of Portuguese citizenship and first championship titles (2002–2005)", I think "2002" should be "2001" here.
- Didn't she do anything in sports in 2001?
- "6,120 points", I think the thousands separator should be omitted like it is elsewhere for these point totals.
- "amazing performance", maybe you can add who said this?
- "6.6 metres", I think this should be written as "6.60 metres"
- "She placed ninth" –> "She finished ninth" to avoid repetition with 'placed' in the previous sentence that has a different meaning
- "7 metres" –> "7.00 metres"
- "Achilles tendon", could be wikilinked in the first appearance instead of the second
- "Her finish", maybe "Her ranking in the event" is clearer
- Additional comment: is "Worsening" from the section title based on a source? Otherwise maybe remove it or use "Prolongued" instead. – Editør (talk) 12:52, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
International championship results
[edit]- For the World Cup, I believe she was (also?) representing Europe, maybe this can explained in a footnote?
- The source reference to her WA profile is repeated about 37 times in these tables, it seems a bit redundant to reference this source so many times on each separate row.
- The brackets in the Results column seem unnecessary, these abbreviations can be displayed directly after the results as I think is more common
- All done . Yue🌙 09:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Portuguese championship titles
[edit]- Maybe the prose above the table can summarise the number of titles for each discipline.
- My guess is that the Portuguese national championships for the combined events were organised in and together with Spain for practical reasons, but this should first be verified somehow if you want to add this.
- First point done; regarding the second point, I think it's fine to just leave it to her national championship titles. Yue🌙 09:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- It seems a bit strange to me that she doesn't have any national titles in the combined events, but I couldn't find anything about this, although I have difficulties searching Spanish or Portuguese information. If you weren't able to find anything about this either, I agree that you should leave it like this. – Editør (talk) 12:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I will leave it as is for now because the information about her championship titles is certain and verifiable through an easily accessible source. Yue🌙 22:23, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- It seems a bit strange to me that she doesn't have any national titles in the combined events, but I couldn't find anything about this, although I have difficulties searching Spanish or Portuguese information. If you weren't able to find anything about this either, I agree that you should leave it like this. – Editør (talk) 12:46, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- First point done; regarding the second point, I think it's fine to just leave it to her national championship titles. Yue🌙 09:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
National records
[edit]- "Notably": superfluous, can be omitted
- Portuguese records > Indoor, the bottom line of the table is missing, because
scope="rowgroup" rowspan="3"
is no longer correct, I think it should simply bescope="row"
now to fix the table lines. - I would have liked it if the broken records were still listed with dates they were broken, but I understand that is not how the table was set up.
- I think you should use this current national records list as source for the Portuguese records
- Addressed . Yue🌙 09:17, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Personal bests
[edit]- Sprints in winds of > +2 m/s are called 'wind assisted' and don't qualify as records. These results are typically marked with w (
{{AthAbbr|w}}
). In lists with personal bests, they can be included, but often alongside the best time is not wind assisted, so the "100 m" row header would span two rows with results.
- I looked through her World Athletics profile again and only found the one non-legal record in question. I could not find another time she participated in 100 m, and the World Athletics lists her legal records for 100 m as "No data". Thus, I removed the best altogether. Yue🌙 08:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I see. If there is only a wind assisted results for the 100 metres, I would leave it in the table. – Editør (talk) 12:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: Do you think the notes column in the Personal bests table should be merged with the Result column like the other tables in this article? Yue🌙 22:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think the record markers are alright as they are now, but I would normally expect the w marker next to the result, however you alread have the exact wind speed there, so I would leave it like this. – Editør (talk) 10:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: Do you think the notes column in the Personal bests table should be merged with the Result column like the other tables in this article? Yue🌙 22:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I see. If there is only a wind assisted results for the 100 metres, I would leave it in the table. – Editør (talk) 12:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I looked through her World Athletics profile again and only found the one non-legal record in question. I could not find another time she participated in 100 m, and the World Athletics lists her legal records for 100 m as "No data". Thus, I removed the best altogether. Yue🌙 08:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- The pentathlon is marked as a national record, but it is not listed in the National records table.
- Fixed. It was not a national record. Yue🌙 08:56, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think the WL mark should be in this table. The WL is a world leading performance in a given year up to that date, so I think it could be mentioned in the prose of the Career section, but seems out of place in this table.
- And I think "pentathlon" should link to Women's pentathlon.– Editør (talk) 12:43, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Fixed. It was not a national record. Yue🌙 08:56, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think that the sections 'National records' and 'Personal bests' should be moved to right above the 'International championship results' section, I would want to read that information before the championship lists.
Note
[edit]- I think that the note should explain better why you chose "Enezenaide" over "Enezaide" in the main text.
- @Editør: Expanded. Speaking of names, I'm pretty sure do Rosário is a religious component of her name and not a surname, but I couldn't find a source going into detail about her legal name. I removed the hatnote as I think this is the most appropriate choice in the absence of a source. Yue🌙 08:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with removing the hatnote when there is no reliable source for the information.
- I still think the explanation for the name choice is not clear enough. You use the term 'legal given name' in relation to 'Enezenaide', but I don't believe this is supported by the sources. The word 'legal' seems to refer to a legal document such as a birth certificate or to an entry in an official government registry/database. However, the government announcement of her naturalisation, which seems like an official document, uses 'Enezaide'. So for choosing 'Enezenaide' over 'Enezaide' here, I think you need a different rationale than 'legal' or 'official' if you are going with 'Enezenaide' using these sources. Maybe you could argue that WA, Olympics, and Sporting are closer to Gomes or in direct contact with her.
- Let me give an example of an explanation for selecting one source over another in case of conflicting information. For List of winners of the Amsterdam Marathon, different sources gave different women's winners for the 1979 race. I chose one winner over another for the table and explained the reasoning in this footnote. It is this kind of explanation I am looking for.
- The sentence "Naide is a nickname, short for Enezenaide." doesn't seem related to the choice between 'Enezenaide' and 'Enezaide', so I think it is unnecessary here. – Editør (talk) 11:04, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- On her archived website, her first name is spelled 'Enezenaide', which seems like a decisive reason to use that spelling. – Editør (talk) 11:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: I added the source you suggested and changed the footnote to "In the Portuguese government's announcement of her naturalisation, Enezaide was given as Gomes' first name. However, Gomes used Enezenaide on her former website, and it was the first name she gave to World Athletics, the Olympics, and Sporting CP." Any tweaks or are you okay with that? Yue🌙 22:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think it is a big improvement. But I don't think "she gave to" is in the sources and I think you could be more explicit about your choice for this article. What about:
- "In the Portuguese government's announcement of her naturalisation, Gomes' full first name was written as 'Enezaide'. However, it was written as 'Enezenaide' on her own website and this was also used by Sporting CP, World Athletics, and the Olympics, so this is the name used in this article."
- – Editør (talk) 10:38, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: I like your wording a lot better. Done. Yue🌙 21:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Then I think we're done! – Editør (talk) 22:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: I like your wording a lot better. Done. Yue🌙 21:33, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: I added the source you suggested and changed the footnote to "In the Portuguese government's announcement of her naturalisation, Enezaide was given as Gomes' first name. However, Gomes used Enezenaide on her former website, and it was the first name she gave to World Athletics, the Olympics, and Sporting CP." Any tweaks or are you okay with that? Yue🌙 22:49, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- On her archived website, her first name is spelled 'Enezenaide', which seems like a decisive reason to use that spelling. – Editør (talk) 11:55, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Editør: Expanded. Speaking of names, I'm pretty sure do Rosário is a religious component of her name and not a surname, but I couldn't find a source going into detail about her legal name. I removed the hatnote as I think this is the most appropriate choice in the absence of a source. Yue🌙 08:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
References
[edit]- #5 Encyclopædia Britannica, retrieval date is missing
- #13 Women Heptathlon Athletics ..., publication name and retrieval date are missing
- #18 18º Campeonato de Europa ..., publication name and retrieval date are missing
- #19 2003 IAAF World ..., can this dead link be replaced for a current or archived link? also the publication name and retrieval date are missing
- #20 Meeting d'athlétisme Hypobankmeeting ..., retrieval date is missing
- #21 Summer Universiade Daegu ..., retrieval date is missing
- #22 World Indoor Championships ..., retrieval date is missing
- #27 Official Results – Heptathlon ..., retrieval date is missing
- #32 Long Jump Series ..., retrieval date is missing
- #63 Sao Tome et Principe ..., retrieval date is missing
- Problems fixed . Yue🌙 08:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is one more retrieval date missing for #12 El Atletismo Iberoamericano. – Editør (talk) 12:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Fixed. Yue🌙 22:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is one more retrieval date missing for #12 El Atletismo Iberoamericano. – Editør (talk) 12:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Problems fixed . Yue🌙 08:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
Closing
[edit]- Based on WP:GACR6, I believe the article is
- 1. Well-written
- a. prose:
- b. MoS:
- 2. Verifiable with no original research
- a. references:
- b. reliable sources:
- c. no original research:
- d. no copyright violations:
- 3. Broad in its coverage
- a. main aspects:
- b. on topic:
- 4. Neutral:
- 5. Stable:
- 6. Illustrated
- a. media copyright:
- b. relevant with suitable captions
- 1. Well-written
So this good article nomination is passed. – Editør (talk) 22:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
[edit]
- ... that retired track and field athlete Naide Gomes (pictured) holds 21 Portuguese championship titles and 6 national records?
- Sources:
- For the São Toméan records:
- Butler, Mark, ed. (2022). "National Outdoor Records". World Athletics Championships Oregon 2022 Statistics Handbook (PDF). World Athletics. pp. 819, 826, 834. Retrieved 15 January 2025.
- For the Portuguese records:
- "Recordes de Portugal" [Portuguese Records] (in European Portuguese). Portuguese Athletics Federation. Retrieved 22 January 2025.
- For the Portuguese national championship titles:
- "Naide Gomes". World Athletics. Retrieved 24 October 2024.
- For the São Toméan records:
Yue🌙 08:45, 25 January 2025 (UTC).
- I was the GAN reviewer, so I won't do this DYKN review, but I would like to propose ALT3 to give another option:
- ... that Naide Gomes (pictured) broke the Portuguese long jump record fourteen times in her career, raising it from 6.56 metres to 7.12 metres?
- It's based on this source. – Editør (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
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