Talk:Lyres of Ur

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(The Lyres of Ur or Harps of Ur are considered to be the world's oldest surviving stringed instruments) The source of this article is very old and there are many sources to refute this claim. —Mitrayasna (talk • contribs) 20:47, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse my intrusion, but may I ask a couple of things?

1. @Blaze Wolf Could you explain a little more about what was promotional in the editing that you reverted here, please? Like, Mitrayasna, I, too, do not quite understand.
2. @Mitrayasna: If you have access to sources that suggest other stringed instruments are older, can you share them (if accessible); or write something based on them? I'd be happy to assist.

I hope neither of you mind too much that I'm sticking my nose in, but I am curious. 175.39.67.82 (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. It seemed like the link was added to promote a website. If that was not the intended purpose I apologise. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:53, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Blaze Wolf

Harps were widely used in the ancient Mediterranean and Middle East, although rare in Greece and Rome; depictions survive from Egypt and Mesopotamia from about 3000 BCE. Many were played in vertical position and plucked with the fingers of both hands, but Mesopotamia also had horizontal harps. Placed on the player’s lap, strings toward the player, they were plucked with a plectrum. Horizontal harps are pictured in India as late as 800 CE but apparently died out in the Middle East about 600 CE. At this same time arched harps fell out of use in the Middle East, but they survive today in Africa, Myanmar (Burma), and a few isolated areas.^[1]

My understanding of this text is that the oldest images of the harp date back to 3000 BC. If this harp image was drawn 2500 years before Christ

If for any reason my perception is wrong, please correct me, otherwise I suggest that it should be called one of the oldest harps in the world instead of the oldest harp in the world. Thank you Mitrayasna (talk) 22:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't care. THis isn't a topic I'm interested in. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:07, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't let us confuse images, or textual mentions of instruments, with actual physical survivals like these. The source currently in place is a specialist book from 1994, not "very old". Johnbod (talk) 13:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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