Talk:House concert

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A fact from House concert appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 August 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that some house concerts in 1930s Harlem were used as covers for illicit sex? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/August.

A House concert is usually a whole 'nother thing than a House party. A matter of degrees, I guess. House concerts are generally focused on the music part, rather than the party part. (>>sparkit|TALK<< 03:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I've videotaped a few houseshows and I could get some stills from them for this page. I don't know wether or not a picture is necessary so I thought it might be better to ask. Also, do you think it would be better if on the House show page there would be a link to "house concert" at the top since I usually hear thewm called "shows" instead of "concerts" whenever it is held at someone's house.--68.12.87.201 17:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, is a Wikipedia article a reliable reference or not? For me it is. So can you tell me why Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart isn't a reliable reference for other wiki users? If not so why should we waste time with expanding wiki articles? Best --Weissmann (talk) 08:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No it is not, it is a WP:SPS. Please read WP:RS and WP:CITE. --JD554 (talk) 08:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please let us continue the discussion at my talk page. Best --Weissmann (talk) 08:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, this is the best place for discussing what should be in this article. --JD554 (talk) 08:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article has no references, and no substance. It is entirely conjecture. Who says the capacity of a house is smaller than that of a coffee shop? Since when is cash collected at the door? I have given many house concerts in my home where no money was collected, and there were many more people attending than could fit in the local coffee shop.

Are we now going to write articles about garage sales, housewarming parties, home fundraisers?

Without some serious research and substance, this article is headed for the deletion log. --Ravpapa (talk) 17:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Six days have gone by and no one has come to the defense of this article. I am generally an inclusionist, and it is with heavy heart that I propose an article for deletion. So I tried to justify this article in my mind, and even tried to do some research on the topic. Alas, I found nothing suggesting that house concerts are a phenomenon worthy of study or of coverage in the Wikipedia.

I would be happy to be proven wrong. If someone can find a study of house concerts (how many are there, what unique musical experience they offer, anything), or an historical review of house concerts, please add it with a reference, and that might justify keeping this article. The fact that there are essentially commercial sites offering advice on how to stage a house concert does not, incidentally, make this an encyclopedic topic. There are also videos on how to clear up pimples, but Pimple removal is not an appropriate topic for the Wikipedia.

--Ravpapa (talk) 06:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is worth saving, and will take a crack at it. If it does not work, we can send it to AfD. Bearian (talk) 17:45, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PS I found some sources here, there, and yonder. Bearian (talk) 17:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, good luck.--Ravpapa (talk) 18:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is an absurd POV fork. A "house concert" is a "concert". "House" is already listed as a venue for concert in that article. Other than venue, house concerts aren't different from other concerts--concerts may be paid or free, open to the public or by invitation only, small or large, require seating, staging, or not. This topic deserves one or zero sentences in the concert article and possibly the hop-hop article. This article should be a redirect and most of the content jettisoned. ^Bongo_matic 01:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My head agrees with Bongo. In spite of Bearian's noble effort to document and expand this article, there is little to distinguish a house concert from a concert in a hall or a concert in the park or a street concert. It doesn't seem to be a topic of any substance.

On the other hand, my heart now says, leave it. In my original post about this article, I asked, "Are we now going to write articles about garage sales, housewarming parties, home fundraisers?" I have since learned that, in fact, there are articles on Garage sale and Housewarming party. So much for righteous indignation in the face of popular demand.

Bongo, I think you and I are just getting old. Wikipedia is no longer the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. It's the encyclopedia that anyone can edit and anything can go in it. --Ravpapa (talk) 05:38, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we're certainly getting older. That part is undeniable. ^Bongo_matic 06:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further my previous post: Bearian, here are a couple of sources that might shed light on the history of music performance in the home: H. Raynor, A Social History of Music (in two volumes); Mackerness, A Social History of English Music; Mussulman, Music in the cultured generation: a social history of music in America, 1870-1900; JH Baron, Intimate music: a history of the idea of chamber music.

These might give you some idea of the history and significance of home music performance. After all, in the period of the Renaissance and Baroque, all secular music was performed in the home (that is, in a chamber of the nobleman's home - that's why it's called chamber music), and only in the time of Beethoven and later were halls built specifically for public concerts.--Ravpapa (talk) 06:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oooo, I like that. I'm stealing one of your lines and putting it in. :-) Bearian (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Even into the 20th century, chamber music was performed in home concerts. Ralph Kirkpatrick, the famous musician, recalled playing a clavichord at a house concert in Hamburg, Germany.[17]" is still a bit pathetic and misleading - short classical music performances by professionals were very common as part of parties in grand houses until at the least WW2, and I should think well beyond. A very large number of professional musicians must have done them, mostly when young and cheap, and still do. Obviously it's not normally something they bother to mention in their memoirs or interviews. Johnbod (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fats Waller has a famous song, This Joint Is Jump'in, that illustrates his idea of a house concert in Harlem in his time. You can see a movie version of it here [1]. At the end he says, "Don't ever give your right name, no, no, no". It mentions, among other things discussed in the article, paying your quarter at the door. AJim (talk) 03:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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