Talk:Bistro Agnes/GA1

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Nominator: Another Believer (talk · contribs) 23:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Relativity (talk · contribs) 22:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Another Believer and TrademarkedTWOrantula, I'll be reviewing this against the GA criteria. I should have this review done in a week or so. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 22:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Happy to address any concerns you might have. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hold for more

• (lead) "and previously-owned restaurant"

• remove hyphen

•  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• you may want to add that it was the Dentons that owned it

•  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (lead) "ChefStable"— I wasn't sure what ChefStable was until I looked it up, so you may want to mention somewhere that it is a restaurant group.

•  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (lead) "and was deemed one of the city's best restaurants"— by whom?

•  Done ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (description) "and was described as"— by whom?
  • Hmm... I don't think that matters. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I also feel adding a name or publication is unnecessary detail. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:57, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (description) "with cassoulet and chicken liver mousse and American foods including a cheeseburger with Bordelaise sauce."— comma after mousse
  • Added. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (description) "American foods including a cheeseburger with Bordelaise sauce."— Bordelaise sauce is not American, and this sentence is a bit confusing; it reads as though the sauce is. The source specifically states that the cheeseburger with Bordelaise sauce is a crossover. Is there some way to reword this so it's clear that the sauce is not American?
  • Tried something. I ended up describing the dish as a "French-American" crossover. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (shortdesc) In the short description, "U.S." is used. I would recommend changing it per MOS:US and WP:SDFORMAT. The MoS guideline states that you don't have to change U.S. to US if the usage of U.S. is already established in the article, which it isn't. In addition, WP:SDFORMAT states that it's best to keep short descriptions as short as needed, so why not save two characters for a preferred abbreviation? The short description is already at 51 characters— try to minimize character count.
  • Changed. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (history) "Bistro Agnes operates"— shouldn't that be "operated"?
  • Changed. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (history) "has been described as"— Same question as above, by whom?
  • Again, I don't think it matters. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree. Many sources, actually, so I don't think we need to say a specific name or publication here. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (history) "In April 2019, Bistro Agnes began serving brunch and lunch."— so had it previously only served dinners?
  • Neither of the sources cited say so. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (history) "Beau Burtnick was a bar manager."— why is this important to include?
  • It confirms that there was a bar in the restaurant. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I was also fine including since there's an infobox parameter. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (history) "During the COVID-19 pandemic, the Dentons decided to close the restaurant"— While it's okay to put this in the lead because you don't want to get into too much detail, in the history section you may want to specify that it was closed during the COVID-19 pandemic, but specifically March 2020, as the source says.
  • Good idea! Added. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (history) "The cocktail bar Kask"— what does Kask have to do with the article's subject?
  • Since it isn't related, I'll remove it. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (reception) "full circle back to edgy."— move period outside of quotation marks
  • Moved. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 02:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (reception) Regarding Hannah Wallace's review...

• Over half of Hannah Wallace's review is quoted here, which is a bit overkill. In addition, three sentences are dedicated to her review. One suggestion that I have to improve the amount of quotes that come from her review is to replace ""affable and attentive" service and "awesome" wines" with something like "and praised the restaurant's service and wines".

• • Great suggestion! I've paraphrased the text and any other quotes I could cut down. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 02:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• By PDX, does she mean Portland?

• • Yes, PDX is a common acronym for Portland. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 02:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• "vibe" is an informal word (according to the New Oxford American Dictionary). I am aware that the source uses "vibe", but perhaps you can switch this with another word. I suggest "ambience" or "setting".

• • Changed. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 02:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 02:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After checking a large bulk of sources, I think that they fulfill criterion 2b of the GA criteria.

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed