Talk:Ach lieben Christen seid getrost

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A fact from Ach lieben Christen seid getrost appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 31 October 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that three stanzas of the penitential hymn "Ach lieben Christen seid getrost" ("Ah dear Christians, be comforted") by Johannes Gigas were retained unchanged for Bach's chorale cantata? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2017/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost.

Although the article is named "Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost", the comma after the "Ach" is absent from all the sources except for one of the Bach versions. Are there any sources for the original 1561 lyrics, perhaps a facsimile of an early or original publication, that can determine what it is? The complete hymn lyrics printed in the article don't use the comma.

I noticed this in the DYK hook for this article; the English translation also does not include a comma after the first word, and the German and English should really match in this regard, since it's the same rhetorical gesture—the comma indicates at least a brief pause or breath before continuing in either language. I'm happy to have this either way, but it should have a basis and be consistent. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:20, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Old versions often have no commas (as in: none at all, ever) and rather use slashes (/) to mark such separations that are not indicated by periods. The older versions also use older spellings (e.g. "seyd" instead of seid). The commas are a more recent addition, and so are the transformations to modern spelling (also, e.g., often adding a ' after an abbreviated word not present in the old versions). The modernisations can differ in different modern editions, so usually the spelling as used in the Evangelisches Gesangbuch may be most recognisable, or, if not present in that collection, hymnary.org may be a good alternative (but that one contains some questionable half-modernised/half-antiquated spellings too). --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Here is a modern publication with a comma-less version of the hymn title ("Ach lieben Christen seid getrost", No. 136 on the page). --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:04, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Near the bottom of this page a comma-less version of 1682 (Vopelius), of course with "seyd" instead of "seid". --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Also Philipp Wackernagel, a definite authority in 19th-century hymnology, writes the hymn title without interpunction whatsoever, for instance twice on this page, in 5) b. and c. (spelling of "seid" already modernised). --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:20, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

→ Taken all of the examples over different centuries together, I'd move this Wikipedia article about the hymn to Ach lieben Christen seid getrost. --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:20, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]