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Since this page is really about Quezacoatl from VIII and not Quetzalcoatl from Revenant Wings, I want to include Quetzalcoatl's stat table on a different page. Would it be a good idea to just change the redirect already on the Quetzalcoatl page and put its information there? | |||
There's no reason not to put the stat table here. This page is about all incarnations of Pretzelcoatill. FFVIII just currently takes up the lion's share of the page. | |||
Quetzalcoatl <- Here's a page for the Revenant Wing enemy. Expand the redirect. | |||
And by "expand" you mean get rid of? | |||
Yeah. Remove the redirect and put the stats there. It's in an enemy page, correct? | |||
Correct. @Bluehighwind We are trying to be consistent in putting each stat table on the (whatever the opposite of parent page is) page. (usually "Name (Revenant Wings)". | |||
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Background[]
I think we should mention that the FF8 depiction (and possibly RW as well) is more based on the bird Quetzal than the mythological god, which was basically a snake with wings.Glorious CHAOS! 02:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Name[]
So, the japaneese name is Quetzalcoatl, but the english name is Quezacotl, so is this page under the right name? If so we need to normalize the name since it switches between them in the article. | |||
Since he's called Quetzalcoatl in Revenant Wings (which is a more recent game then Final Fantasy VIII), this article is going to stay under Quetzalcoatl. | |||
Yeah, it's newer but it's a portable spinoff, not a main series game. Despite the hate for VIII, I'm sure a lot more people remember and are searching for Quezacotl than for Quetzalcoatl. In VIII, he's the first summon (GF) received, and is one of, at most 16 GFs. In Revenant Wings, he's one of 51 summons; not exactly important. Also looking at the information given on the page, all the detail seems to be on the FFVIII appearance, with 2 short sentences and a quote about RW. Also, I would hardly call two appearances (one non-main series) with two noticeably different names to be "recurring." | |||
Noticeably different names? It's missing two characters! They have the same name in Japanese! To top it all off, "Quetzalcoatl" is in fact the correct spelling! VIII probably got stuck with Quezacotl due to character constraints, as if you didn't notice, no nameable character/GF has a name longer than 9 characters. EDIT: Also of minor note, "Quetzalcoatl" appears as a server name in FFXI. All FFXI servers are named after pre-existing summons and the like, and all predate Revenant Wing's Quetzalcoatl. So who were they referring to then, if not VIII's Quezacotl? | |||
Parasite Eve trivia[]
I disagree the kind of "this looks like this other thing" trivia mentioned in articles when there is no intended link between the two. Various enemy/weapon/boss/summon/character designs from multiple different media just end up looking similar..basically just saying the design is not very original. We could find loads "this looks like this" stuff for other summons too I bet and any number of other things. I think this would only be relevant trivia if the Parasite Eve boss was meant to look like Quezacotl, but I suspect it is coincidental.Keltainentoukokuu 19:11, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
- That thing is the closest thing I've ever seen to Quezacotl in any media. This closest thing also happens to be in a game developed by the same developer.
- But regardless, coincidental similarities, or similarities with no official statement saying one was based off another, are still notable. I don't know if it was ever stated, but Cloud wears clothing a lot like Vincent's in KH. If this were not officially stated, would we still mention it in the article? Yes, I think we would. There is a clear similarity.
- Compare the two images. The resemblance is by no means as strong as Cloud in Vincent's attire, but I doubt you'd find anyone that would say they look nothing alike, and far more willing to say it's entirely possible that one was based off the other. 79.69.197.129 19:20, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
- I think it looks similar, but I don't think this similarity is notable because it appears to be coincidental. Cloud wearing Vincent's clothes in KH was not coincidental, some development material exists where his KH design is explained.Keltainentoukokuu 20:01, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
- I was saying that if it was not officially stated, then we would still report on it because it would be a notable similarity observed by fans. Although it isn't the case, I was trying to think of a similar scenario but couldn't find one.
- Although, Yunalesca's third form has similarities to Goddess, and is mentioned without official confirmation (our article's say "seem to be based on" and "greatly resembles"). Meh. You can say that Yunalesca is probably based on Goddess, but there's no more proof of this than with Quezacotl and Parasite Eve's boss. 79.69.197.129 20:53, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah there are many such mentions on the wiki. Some I find really rather reaching though. Same kind of themes keep recurring especially in boss designs.Keltainentoukokuu 21:08, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
- I think it looks similar, but I don't think this similarity is notable because it appears to be coincidental. Cloud wearing Vincent's clothes in KH was not coincidental, some development material exists where his KH design is explained.Keltainentoukokuu 20:01, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
Sound Bug in the PC version?[]
I just bought Final Fantasy VIII for the PC since my PSX version has seems to be broken :( (The game freeze during the WMVs)
The PC version seems to work well and finally I also can play Chocobo World ^^
But I found something odd: When I summon Quetzalcoatl the sound of the summon is the same like the sound of the appearance of Phoenix. Only the big thunder which is shot on the enemies is sound like in the PSX version everything else sounds like the summon of Phoenix.
Is there any way to fix this? I really hate using this G.F. just because of that sound bug :(
Sorry of posting that question here but I didn't found any related task via google. ADreamer (talk) 12:45, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
Connection/Link to Quetzalli?[]
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Quetzalli
104.138.233.18 04:04, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
Summon pages split[]
I would like to start making the FFVIII GF pages (woo). Should I call it Quezacotl or Quezacotl (Final Fantasy VIII)? I'm thinking just Quezacotl because that's just the FFVIII summon that is shortened like that. I don't know what the Record Keeper one is called because nothing is filled in on this page (but its image is called "Quezacotl"), but I should think these appearances of the FFVIII Quezacotl would go to an "other appearances" section of the FFVIII GF article, anyway?Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 17:04, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
- I would be tempted to call it "Quezacotl (Final Fantasy VIII)" due to ambiguity, if they share a Japanese name. Record Keeper info could go on VIII's other appearances section and on the recurring page, like what happens with some Gilgamesh appearances.
- Would definitely welcome you doing FFVIII summons! I don't remember that game super well.--
Technobliterator TC 17:17, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Okay cool, I will get on with it sometime soon then!Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:14, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
- FFRK calls it "Quetzalcoatl" if that helps anything.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:54, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
- Okay cool, I will get on with it sometime soon then!Keltainentoukokuu (talk) 18:14, November 8, 2016 (UTC)
Japanese name[]
Quetzalcoatl actually appears with a different name in its three major appearances:
- FF8: ケツァクウァトル
- FF12RW: ケッツクアトル
- FF11: ケツァルコアトル
We don't have the FFXI appearance on this page though. Not sure it even should so this probably needs disambigd. The FFXI servers were never given Japanese names I don't believe. JBed (talk) 18:30, November 9, 2016 (UTC)