Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yorkshire Derby
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was No consensus. --Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Article Is of no-note. If it was about Yorkshire Derbys then the page should include all yorkshire derbys including ones that exist outside of football including all of the rugby league ones (Leeds Vs Bradford, Wakefield Vs Castleford, Wakefield Vs Leeds, etc.....) as well as all of the football ones (Barnsley Vs either Sheffield etc..)
Also The rivalry mentioned is actually only considered a rivalry by Hull City supporters, Leeds fans do not consider this a rivalry.
Also this page is not linked to from any other page (click links above) Chappy84 12:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 12:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand - if the page is better served by describing all the major rivalries within Yorkshire, then expand it (or tag it for expansion). This AfD is unnecessary. Qwghlm 13:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- My point is that the information on the page is incorrect, therefore the article at the current point in time has no purpose. The article was created some 2 months ago and no-one has bothered to expand it with actual Yorkshire derbies, therefore the article isn't required. Chappy84 13:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you've misunderstood the deletion process. It is not a judgement on the quality of the article as it currently stands but whether any version of the article, good or bad, should be allowed to exist on Wikipedia. Crappy and inaccurate articles should be nurtured, looked after, improved wherever possible, not deleted. Remember, most articles start out being crappy (e.g.) but with time are improved. Qwghlm 10:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Done a bit of work on the article now, it's still not very good but it doesn't suck as much as it did before. What do you think now? Qwghlm 10:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You named the Sheffield sides in the wrong order :) More seriously, why Yorkshire? Should we expect articles on (North) London derbies, or Black Country ones? The topic is better treated under a more general title, I think. -- BPMullins | Talk 14:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Those articles already exist in Category:United Kingdom football derbies ChrisTheDude 14:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I really wish you hadn't shown me that. I don't want to start sweeping out this particular stable. Opinion changed below. -- BPMullins | Talk 14:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Those articles already exist in Category:United Kingdom football derbies ChrisTheDude 14:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You named the Sheffield sides in the wrong order :) More seriously, why Yorkshire? Should we expect articles on (North) London derbies, or Black Country ones? The topic is better treated under a more general title, I think. -- BPMullins | Talk 14:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Done a bit of work on the article now, it's still not very good but it doesn't suck as much as it did before. What do you think now? Qwghlm 10:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you've misunderstood the deletion process. It is not a judgement on the quality of the article as it currently stands but whether any version of the article, good or bad, should be allowed to exist on Wikipedia. Crappy and inaccurate articles should be nurtured, looked after, improved wherever possible, not deleted. Remember, most articles start out being crappy (e.g.) but with time are improved. Qwghlm 10:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteNeutral - I think the idea is too vague for an article to hang on it. 'Yorkshire Derby' seems to be a phrase that the press hangs on matches that happen to be between Yorkshire teams (but that wouldn't be used for a Sheffield Wednesday - Sheffield United match!). I doubt that it has much currency beyond that. -- BPMullins | Talk 14:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Delete - anyway, if you asked someone to name the participants in a Yorkshire derby, I'm pretty confident nobody would think of Hull — iridescenti (talk to me!) 20:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete This article has been created to specifically cover one derby between Hull City and Leeds United. However, this article, List of football (soccer) rivalries contains quite a comprehensive list of football rivalries in England, and covers derby matches. The England section seems pretty comprehensive in itself yet there is no mention of this derby. I could find no mention on google of this derby either? On that basis delete ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 21:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think Hull and Leeds have only been in the same division for three years in the last century — iridescenti (talk to me!) 21:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If you see here and add the current season Leeds have been in the same league on a total of 19 out of the 88 years of Leeds United's history and 19 out of the 103 years of Hull City's history making it hardly notable. Chappy84 11:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think Hull and Leeds have only been in the same division for three years in the last century — iridescenti (talk to me!) 21:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep based on Qwghlm's work to improve it, could still do with sourcing though ChrisTheDude 10:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as failing WP:A and as indiscriminate information. It is unsourced and probably unsourceable; there are no parameters set. Where do we stop?
In football we could have:
- Leeds v Huddersfield
- Leeds v Bradford
- Bradford v Huddersfield
- Barnsley v Huddersfield
- Doncaster v Barnsley
- Barnsley v Sheffield Wednesday
and so on, and so on. There is no limit and it is essentially all pointless. Where there are recognised derbies, they already have articles and for a summary we have Local derbies in the United Kingdom with which this article overlaps. TerriersFan 20:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep needs work and sourcing but could develop into a useful article.Dave101→talk→contributions • 20:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - there is no such concept as 'Yorkshire Derby' and without criteria this is an indiscriminate collection of information. BlueValour 23:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Huh? That Yorkshire derbies exist isn't in doubt, the issue is only whether this article would be too indiscriminate if it listed them all — iridescenti (talk to me!) 16:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. 'Yorkshire Derby' seems to be a phrase that the press hangs on matches that happen to be between Yorkshire teams (but that wouldn't be used for a Sheffield Wednesday - Sheffield United match!). I think an article Derbis in England is enough - User:KRBN 20:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand - there is some good history behind some of these matches, and it should be fleshed out. Da-rb 22:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.