Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Structure of the Italian Army in 1974

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The result was merge to Italian Army 1975 reform. Feel free to merge into Italian Army 1975 reform or whatever article you all deem appropriate. Thanks for participating! Missvain (talk) 02:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Structure of the Italian Army in 1974

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We have Italian Army 1975 reform, which gives a very detailed overview of the structure of the Italian Army before and after the reform. Fine, but then we also have Structure of the Italian Army in 1974 and Structure of the Italian Army in 1977, which are two articles lacking notability and duplicating the info in the "reform" article.

This nomination is for both the 1974 and 1977 article. Fram (talk) 11:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge both into Italian Army 1975 reform to avoid duplication. Miniapolis 23:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 11:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 11:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 11:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge both into Italian Army 1975 reform, neither page is notable; we don't need flag-farms like this.Mztourist (talk) 03:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. Has merit and verifiable sources, but still needs improvement. BlueD954 (talk) 04:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge both per Mztourist and Fram. Neither appear independently notable. SportingFlyer T·C 10:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- A "merge" would be the same as a "redirect" in reality. Compare Structure of the Italian Army in 1974#Army General Staff and Italian Army 1975 reform#Army General Staff (and so on) to see the striking similarity (but the "reform" page is the better by far, as it actually indicates the changes, which otherwise requires a constant switching between two pages). Fram (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge I came here after seeing WP:ANI#User:Fram abusive behaviour, and before leaving my comment there.
I agree that this article has problems. If I were offering advice on User talk:Noclador, or Talk:Structure of the Italian Army in 1974, I'd suggest the most important weaknesses are that the lede paragraph doesn't help readers understand why the topic is notable, or why 1974 was a particularly important year.
I am going to offer further comments at WPANI, but I think it is unfortunate that nominator Fram didn't recognize that Noclador, the author of this and quite a few similar articles, has clearly made very considerable good faith efforts to try to improve the wikipedia's coverage of these cold war related topics. I think it is unfortunate they didn't try to help them understand how their future efforts could be best directed in work that more closely measured up to what we expect from this kind of article. Geo Swan (talk) 15:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge both Any particular notability asserted here of the structure of the Italian Army in these specific years is conferred by the 1975 reforms, the page for which already contains the relevant information about what was changed. The article appears to be have been created in good faith, but this is a clear-cut example of WP:INDISCRIMINATE CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 12:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge both into Italian Army 1975 reform - as mentioned by others, not sure what the logic is for having something focussed on this particular year - 1975 reforms seem more pivotal. Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all (or just redirect). The two articles reflecting the structure before and after the change might have had merit, but it looks to me as if most of the content of the two articles under discussion is already in the target. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge both as above. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note This is like a recipe: 1974 are the ingredients, 1975 are the instructions, 1977 is the result. You take one away, the recipe becomes a difficult guessing game. You want to know what the Italian Army structure was before the 1975 reform? You can find out, from the 1975 article, if you spend hours extracting that data. You want to know what the result of the reform was - you have to spend more hours to separate that info from the rest of the 1975 article. You want to merge all three into one - then you get a approximately 560,000 bytes long article, which is 5x times bigger than wikipedia suggests. So, that's all my comment, because military-topic ignorant stalker / harasser Fram is about to come here and harass me like in every discussion since I stopped her 1989 military organizations mass deletions obsession from succeeding. Btw. I am the third wikiproject military history editor driven off wikipedia by her stalking / harassment. Ciao. noclador (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

noclador this is a clear breach of WP:NPA. You have tried every other avenue to stop Fram from nominating your articles for deletion and failed. If you can't handle the AFD process then its probably time you took a WP:Wikibreak. Mztourist (talk) 03:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Fixed improper formatting. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 07:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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