Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philip Wynne

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. If any notability is there, it's better to start from scratch per WP:TNT. Randykitty (talk) 17:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails GNG. Probably a promotional / vanity article by first-time editor Anthony Wlym. DOCUMENT★ERROR 05:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Conditionally. An unusual article. He does seem to be well known in the cigar industry as an individual. In one of the cites he was briefly mentioned as a member of the "cigar elite". There is this interview in Cigar Aficionado, which confirms that he has been called a "cigar star". The promotional language is because a lot of the text was copied straight from cigar ads. That will all have to go, along with most of the descriptions of his creations -- no way that they can escape being promotional. The material at the end about being the "most ecological-minded of all cigarmakers" [1] was completely unsourced. The article needs to be rewritten, wikified, and considerably shortened, and the material at the end sourced, but then I think it could be kept. A lot depends on whether Cigar Aficionado is an RS. – Margin1522 (talk) 13:04, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – As the creator of the article I have recently added more sources, primarily other interviews, and will continue editing out the unsourced claims as well as anything that can be perceived as promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Wlym (talk • contribs) 20:03, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, leaning Strong Delete for spam. The sources listed are trade publications with a demonstrable incentive to promote, with the most seemingly notability-granting one of the bunch, in Jewishbusinessnews.com, being authored by a Miami cigar-vender Felipe Gregorio, of Felipe Gregorio Cigars, which a quick Google dump reveals is a brand owned by Philip Wynne!

Next is the accompanying picture, which needs to be nominated over incredulous IP claims. Did Philip Wynne pose for Anthony Wlym, who claims the photo as his own work? Either way the answer goes, it's trouble. So, this is a thinly-disguised promotional article with two inherent associated dishonesties already spotted. Pax 10:59, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Pax I am Philip Wynne's son, I did in fact take this picture of Mr. Wynne. I can see how this article still may be viewed as promotional, and I will edit it further to make it neutral and adhering to wikipedias regulations. As to the Jewishbusinessnews.com, I was merely searching for sources mentioning Wynne online so I could cite them in this page. I did not know from reading the article that it was authored by Felipe Gregorio Cigars, that source will obviously have to go. Philip Wynne is a known cigar manufacturer and businessman I want this article to stay up on wikipedia. Instead of marking this as " Strong Delete for spam. " I would have appreciated some advice from wikipedia veterans like yourself and the first " Keep – Conditionally. " post offered by  Margin1522. - Anthony Wlym 17:37, 19 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.163.108.30 (talk) [reply]

Comment – I don't think there is any problem with citing trade publications. We have hundreds of cites to the EE Times about products and people in the electronics industry. Frequent mentions in the trade press would rather seem to show that he's a notable figure in the industry. The only question is whether there is enough material there to build an article with.

For people wondering where the jewishbusinessnews cite is, it's here, from an earlier version of the article, picked up by the paper from this press release site. It's obviously a press release, no intent to deceive anyone here. Myself, I found all of this fascinating. I had no idea that a boutique cigar industry existed. If we can establish notability and write most of the article from industry sources, I see no problem with including a few clearly labelled quotes from a press release where the subject talks about himself. – Margin1522 (talk) 03:54, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – After one month of discussion, and a significant period of inactivity within the thread I would like to know if it would be possible to have this article validated and confirmed as legitimate. Since the creation of the page and the start of the debate I have, on several occasions, edited the article following the requests and recommendation of my fellow wikipedia authors and commenters. I have removed all text that may be perceived as promotional, added sources, links within the article, and shorted the page from its initial length. This being said, I would like to have the notice "considering the article for deletion" to be removed if possible, if not please inform me on what I should further modify to legitimatize the page on Wikipedia; cheers. – Anthony Wlym (talk) 18:40, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as spam. Reading the article, it is not an acceptable neutral POV article but a clearly promotional autobio. Consider the last paragraph: " According to Wynne: “Like a great wine, the leaves used to make a cigar need to have the identity of their birthplace and the earth they sprung from. The soil brings out the original characteristics of the blend. As men we can only paint with the palette of colors that the earth has given us. We borrow from nature so that you the smoker can taste the land."- The only thing to do with this is delete, and let a unaffiliated editor start over if they think they can make an article on this topic. DGG (at NYPL) -- reply here 01:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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