Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Max Jason Mai

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. After extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus for deletion of this article. BD2412 T 06:39, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Not enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG, and simply participating in a show doesn't pass meet WP:MUSICBIO. The criteria is to "Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition." Coming in 15th in the semi-final doesn't quite hit that mark. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Slovakia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or redirect to Slovakia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012. While he does have some other credits, they appear to be pretty minor. Happy to reconsider if he has more to his career that is simply missing from the article. As it stands, all of the notable details are already included in the Slovakia article, where they typically would be anyway. Grk1011 (talk) 16:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - He is notable per point 10 and 12 of Criteria for musicians and ensembles within WP:NMUSIC. Per representing his country in the Eurovision Song Contest. Article certainly needs work but that in itself is not a reason for deletion.BabbaQ (talk) 17:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per BabbaQ. Article needs a bit of a going-over but notability is demonstrated. ser! (let's discuss it). 17:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - as per #10, if this is the only claim, and it is, the subject should be redirected to the main article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not a claim, it is a reality. Point 10 is for an individuals notability, this individual is within point 10 and is notable. Both for point 10 and 12. Eurovision is within ITN/R so notable as one of the worlds most watched television events. BabbaQ (talk) 22:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• BabbaQ, hi. I wasn't casting aspersions on your !vote, merely using the language of the SNG. Sorry. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect. He was not a "win, place, or show" in Eurovision. Bearian (talk) 21:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is incorrect. He performed in Eurovision and placed in the semifinal.BabbaQ (talk) 20:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Eurovision Song Contest 2012 Slovakia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012. Just passes #10 of WP:MUSICBIO, which may not necessarily indicate that the subject is notable enough to warrant a standalone article. Ashleyyoursmile! 12:02, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ashleyyoursmile: Would you support Slovakia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2012 as the target for the redirect? Grk1011 (talk) 15:30, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Grk1011: Yes, that would be more appropriate. Thanks for notifying! I've changed it above. :) Ashleyyoursmile! 17:19, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He passes #10 as you say and also in fact #12 of WP:MUSICBIO so is notable. We have guidelines for a reason. BabbaQ (talk) 20:31, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep found some sources with significant coverage and appear credible; [[1]][[2]][[3]]and [[4]]. Luciapop (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - none of those sources are independent. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep As per sources demonstrated by BabbaQ. Pilean (talk) 16:01, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - you do realize that BabbaQ didn't provide any sources? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I guess Pilean means guidelines I provided which shows notability. Or the good sources demonstrated by Luciapop.BabbaQ (talk) 20:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Per BabbaQ. --Snowstormer ^{(T | C)} 14:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.