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BRT Kuching

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Article does not satisfy notability, no significant coverage of the plan.

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Tarneit Plains, Victoria

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This article's existence is based on a false premise. Tarneit Plains is not a suburb of Victoria, as claimed in the article. An official map of suburbs in the City of Melton can be found at [1] (linked from [2]) and there is no entry for Tarneit Plains. There is a "Precinct Structure Plan" called Tarneit Plains, but PSPs do not correspond to suburbs and are rarely article-worthy. Redirection is not a suitable option as the article title is formatted like a place name, when there is no such place. This, that and the other (talk) 09:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Operation Čapljina

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The "Flow of the operation" section of this article, which concerns the actual subject of this article, is unsourced. The comprehensive CIA history of the Balkan conflicts of the 90s, Balkan Battlegrounds mentions this operation only in passing, in fact in a footnote, not even in the body text. Another article of dubious notability created by new accounts that have popped up in the last few months. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG. Another poorly sourced page by its creator. Mztourist (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Auto Parts Warehouse

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Not notable. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. The company hasn’t received significant coverage in reliable, independent, secondary sources. The existing references only include primary sources and self-promotional articles. The sources I’ve found through further searches are limited to primary sources (press releases, financial reports), promotional material, passing mentions, company profiles. The article appears to serve a promotional purpose, focusing on advertising the company rather than providing encyclopedic, neutral content. Maxvolt (talk) 09:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Hrasnica (1992)

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The "Course of the battle" section of this article is essentially unsourced, which means that the notability of the entire article is in doubt. I have looked at the two books used as sources, and neither have any mention of this battle, and a Google Books search has likewise failed to find anything. I deleted local news portal sources, as 30 years after the conflict, if this "battle" was going to be documented, it would have been by now. Another dubious article created by one of the several new accounts that have popped up in the space in the last six months. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should add that I searched the comprehensive CIA history of the wars, Balkan Battlegrounds, and it also have no mention of this "battle". Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG. Creator seems to have created many similar pages. Mztourist (talk) 10:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Byzantine–Sasanian Wars

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This article does not yet justify its own existence independent of either Roman–Persian Wars (A-class) or any of the individual articles it merely transcludes material from. This is purely extra surface area we don't need unless it justifies itself somehow. Remsense ‥ 论 08:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Branko Pantelić

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Fails WP:BIO as subject has no notability, no WP:ANYBIO pass and lacks WP:RS. Seems like WP:NOTMEMORIAL breach. Mztourist (talk) 08:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mizanur Rahaman

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The sources provided do not demonstrate that the subject meets the criteria outlined in WP:GNG or the specific guidelines under WP:SNG for Academics. Ibjaja055 (talk) 08:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild

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Fails WP:GNG, lack of credible sources. Cites are all blog sources. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify - The main problem is sources. There is a chance of better sources being out there. Sushidude21! (talk) 07:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable student theatre group that apparently produces one show per year, for one weekend. See WP:MILL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Ssilvers. Only a few news articles about this group appeared when I searched the internet, and they were all outdated, going back to 2014 and before. While such news articles exist, they're mostly from PEP.ph and only discuss the events the group held in those years, which I think is insufficient to establish WP:SIGCOV of the group as a whole. AstrooKai (Talk) 19:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AstrooKai, Wikipedia:Notability is not temporary, so "outdated" sources still count. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila, of which this organization is a part. The merged material should be very brief – possibly no more than "Magwayen Creative Scholars' Guild is a theatre group on campus" – but enough that future editors won't start an RFD because it's "not mentioned". WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gilman Louie

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non-notable person who created an article about themselves. 1keyhole (talk) 05:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep The article has been expanded since creation, and Gilmanl's current authorship is around 3%, so I'm not too concerned there. Notability is the bigger concern. The coverage in The Christian Science Monitor is significant, reliable (see WP:CSMONITOR), secondary, and independent. Finding a second source is harder. Most other sources the article cites are not independent, unless the government [3] counts as independent. A Vox article [4] I found may have significant enough coverage, or it may not. More than one sentence addresses Louie directly. Regardless, being on the Foreign Affairs Policy Board might mean WP:NPOL applies. I'm at a weak keep for now. PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 07:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Grema Sulaiman

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All the sources Fail WP: GNG. Being a director of a non-notable organization does not count toward WP:SNG. Ibjaja055 (talk) 05:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep subject is of high notability in the Federal Republic of Nigeria. He is a prominent energy figure who advocated for the establishment of key energy initiatives, including the Nigeria Energy Transition Fund (NET-FUND), an innovative financing model to propel Nigeria’s energy transition, which acquired $2bn in Foreign Direct Investment into the country. He is a well-known figure in Nigeria and in the Nigerian energy industry at large.

While an editor claims that the Centre for Energy Investment and Innovation (an organization the subject leads) lacks notability, this does/should not diminish the subject's recognition/notability. Reputable sources such as Vanguard, Premium Times, and This Day have consecutively reported about the subject. See [5] and [6] [7] [8].

The article may require improvement and minor edits, but this should not serve as a ground for deletion. Instead, it should be seen as an opportunity to expand the article and provide more context, keeping in mind that a lack of citations should not automatically lead to deletion unless it severely impacts the article's verifiability. Gonisulaimann (talk) 21:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- Being associated with notable individuals or organizations does not automatically make a subject notable. Most of the sources, if not all, do not explicitly discuss the topic, although they are reliable. However, they are not independent, and the article fails to meet both the General Notability Guideline WP:GNG and the Subject Specific Notability Guideline WP:SNG.Royalesignature (talk). 05:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- Thanks for providing all these references but kindly note that most of the provided references are dependent of the subject and mostly of subject opinion. Royalesignature (talk). 05:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The subject meets the notability guidelines under WP:GNG due to significant independent coverage in reputable sources as the initial editor stressed. The article should be improved instead of deleted. These links may help in better referencing. [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] Agballer (talk) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Agbaballer (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.
Delete: Bypassed AfC. None of these sources has an in-depth coverage about this subject nor is there any significant coverage about him. This WP:WALLOFTEXTs does not fix the issue either. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Bombarded with references to pretend to be notable, that's not what we want. I have also tagged Agbaballer's !vote above as a canvassed !voter, because you cannot possibly edit English Wikipedia lastly on 31 October 2023 and then come in November 2024 to "cast a vote" in an AfD. This is not a poll. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, it is observed that Agbaballer originally added a comment and not a keep vote, I have no idea why @Cameremote: changed the comment to a keep !vote. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Davide Lombardi

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A draft that was moved into mainspace. It's mostly sourced with press releases. A WP:BEFORE search failed. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV (barely). There definitely needs to be some serious pruning of bad promotional sources and writing, reformatting of the article, editing for encyclopedic tone, etc. However, there are four articles among the references which are independent significant coverage about Davide Lombardi; three of which are in the LightSoundJournal, which is a professional publication for light and audio engineers, and one of which is from an Italian media source. He works as a sound engineer for notable artists, so I am leaning on the keep side.4meter4 (talk) 03:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 That's a valid point; however, a reminder to anyone else reading this that Lombardi doesn't inherit notability from the people he works with. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His notability comes through his work within his business. From the references you can see he is one of the most successful people in his own business, hence the amount of interviews and big Artists names that employ him for major projects, similar to most articles with notable knowledge, but yet not in the mainstream of press like TV stars. if that makes sense? Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 09:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 Getting interviewed and working with big stars don't mean you qualify for a Wikipedia article (or, to speak Wikipedian, whether or not you're "notable). Of course, whether or not you qualify is separate from whether or not you're doing important work. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the point. The idea is to make notable to the mainstream, who is already notable, but doing a different job from music/movie stars or similars. I agree working with big Artists doesn't mean to qualify for a Wikipedia article, but simply proves his knowledge and notable position within business. There are many articles that are in similar position (studio/live sound engineers, producers, musicians). As example, looking at Antony King sound engineer Wikipedia article, who has similar (and probably less) references from the same independent coverage. This is good to expand knowledge of live sound engineering, as people like me that loves concerts and understands basics about audio, appreciates and follows what some of these people are capable to create amazing live events for us all. thank you for the discussion. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 I've gone ahead and nominated the Antony King article for deletion as well; as I said in the nomination, at the very least, the article may need to be shortened significantly, and at most, deleted.

This is why people are advised to not point out that other articles exist; the "other articles" they end up pointing out usually aren't that great, either. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete They are all interviews - and in trade media, at that. The other sources are blogs or references to events where the subject has worked. Doesn't pass WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. it is good to point out that as well as interviews, there are dedicated articles to Davide Lombardi and they are all from independent significant coverage Worldwide, USA, UK, Germany Italy to name the most relevant ones. We can see on Wikipedia similar subjects with less references from similar sources. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 09:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Probably worth to mention his notoriety is acclaimed by being an international award winner from ProsoundNews, while also nominated twice from TPi Awards from TPiMagazine, by MondialeMedia. They are both two of the most prestigious international prizes in audio engineering. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 10:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wedding customs by country

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Wedding customs by country is too unwieldy and too vague to be useful to anyone Drew Stanley (talk) 06:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gina F. Acosta

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Fails WP:NPOL. A staff member at the Office of the Vice President of the Philippines does not count toward WP:NPOL Ibjaja055 (talk) 05:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Multiple secondary sources such as The Philippine Star, Daily Tribune and GMA News Online have covered this government official from the Office of the Vice President (OVP). The OVP's questionable use of confidential funds under VP Sara Duterte has been among the top issues discussed in Philippine politics this year, if not the topmost (alongside tensions in the South China Sea and the POGO menace), and much of the Philippine media has been extensively covering the hearings conducted on this matter by the House Committee on Good Government in the past few months ([17][18][19][20][21]).

On November 5, Acosta was among the seven OVP officials who issued a position letter asking that the house congressional inquiry into their budget use be terminated ([22]), and by November 11 was among the four OVP officials ordered arrested based on a contempt citation issued by the committee for their non-attendance at the hearings ([23]). During the November 20 hearing, OVP chief of staff Zuleika T. Lopez and a branch manager of Land Bank of the Philippines gave testimonies that pinpointed Acosta as the OVP official who directly handled the confidential funds of the vice president ([24][25]). The varied independent coverage cited in this paragraph alone, in my view, merits notability for the article; further coverage in the media is also anticipated in the aftermath of the testimonies given in the Nov. 20 hearing. LionFosset (talk) 06:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LionFosset All the sources you mentioned are good but they do not count toward WP:GNG sources. The subject fails Wikipedia criteria for politician and non WP:GNG sources cannot be used for WP: SIGCOV. Please read more about WP:NPOL. Ibjaja055 (talk) 06:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This person has not ran for public office i.e. not a politician, so I don't know how WP:NPOL applies. She appears to be more of a career civil servant or a bureaucrat. This person is notable for one event which is on Sara Duterte's alleged corruption, so the best solution is to merge and redirect this with the article that discusses that, or if that doesn't exist, transform this BLP article to such an article. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck That's an insightful suggestion. Ibjaja055 (talk) 16:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck You took the words right out of my mouth: Acosta is not a politican. Though I concede to the fact that the person is largely notable for one event so far (i.e. Onel de Guzman, a private citizen who created the ILOVEYOU virus), numerous secondary sources have covered the person not just as a probable participant in Duterte's unusual confidential fund use from 2022 to 2023, but as a government official ordered to be arrested after she was cited in contempt for her continuous absence from house committee hearings in spite of two subpoenas ([26][27][28][29]). LionFosset (talk) 17:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LionFosset All the sources you provided do not count toward WP:GNG because they lack the WP:SIGCOV of the subject. Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will continue to give arguments on this matter soon, but I am posting here for reference (and maybe posterity) some stunning developments that just occurred within the past 24 hours in Philippine politics (1. VP Duterte refuses to leave the House of Rep. detention center holding her chief of staff Zuleika Lopez; 2. VP Duterte goes on a tirade against the House committee hearings and curses at President Marcos, his wife and House Speaker Romualdez, claiming to have already spoken with a contract killer to target them in the event she herself is assassinated; 3. VP Chief of Staff Zuleika Lopez faints from an anxiety attack at 3 a.m. and is brought from the detention center to a hospital; 4. Executive Sec. Lucas Bersamin deems VP Duterte's statements an "active threat" against the administration). LionFosset (talk) 06:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All the more reason to merge and redirect as per my argument above. What's notable is what's happening, not her. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am considering moving the current article or redirecting this BLP to a new article entitled 2024 Philippine congressional hearings on Sara Duterte, or to Mary Grace Piattos scandal. This is similar with what the proponents in Talk:Alice Guo#Requested move 24 May 2024 on moving that article to "2023–2024 Bamban raids", only that it was overtaken by the fact that Guo had surely attained notability and deserves a biographical article, unlike this person, or the pawns of Sara Duterte, the Marcoses, Romualdezes and everyone else. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck: I would be amenable to this, actually. However, use the former title (with some tweaking), not the latter. "Mary Grace Piattos" is just one of the many details questioned in the confidential fund use by the OVP. LionFosset (talk) 03:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Acosta falls ill during the Nov. 25 budget hearing (and brought out of the premises to VMMC with VP Duterte in tow) after admitting that she disbursed the confidential funds to the VP Security Chief in 2022-2023 on Duterte's orders. She is the second VP aide to faint and be brought to VMMC after Lopez. Humorous note: The Akbayan Partylist memefied the Duterte-Acosta photo. LionFosset (talk) 18:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm leaning towards a merge and redirect. She only got significant coverage because of the current issue with Sara Duterte. But on her own, there might not be much justification to have a separate article about her. ---Tito Pao (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yoshimitsu

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The reception section is a mess of listicles and "anything not nailed down" types of articles. While there can be some degree of commentary gleamed for Yoshimitsu, it's brief and often repetitive. Even checking sources I've used in the past for Soulcalibur characters doesn't offer much at all. There's just no meat on this bone that I can find. Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Honestly, I'm leaning forward to being neutral in this situation. I feel like there's a chance the character might be notable since they have been involved in two fighting game franchises and have almost appeared in every main game of each franchise and gone through multiple distinct designs. Otherwise, the best source I could find about Yoshimitsu is [30]. These sources might also help [31], [32], [33], [34], and [35]. Aside from that, this character has three incarnations throughout the Tekken and Soulcalibur franchises, so if the character information is going to be merged, then the Tekken version of Yoshimitsu should be merged in Characters of the Tekken series, and the Soulcalibur version of Yoshimitsu should be merged in Characters of the Soulcalibur series. Kazama16 (talk) 07:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Den of Geek one is the strongest source coupled with Jasper's commentary on the Tekken character ranking list. The main problem though is that the Game Rant and CGMag refs are echoes of some of the commentary from that one on the designs and could be summed up as "his appearance changes frequently", PushSquare is basically death battle commentary in this case, and The Gamer and 3DPrint refs are both about fan works (I checked to see if the designer on the latter had some notability that could help but no dice). I feel there may not be enough actually said for SIGCOV when the sources are lined up is my concern.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Just not notable. The WP:GNG is clearly failed here. If this page is redirected, it should be moved and the DAB made primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per others. Very little SIGCOV and a very clear-cut case of not much notability existing for him. I'd redirect Yoshimitsu (Soulcalibur) and Yoshimitsu (Tekken) to their respective character lists, since he's a character of two different franchises, and redirect Yoshimitsu (No distinction) to the DAB page to be the primary topic, per Zx. Both lists just redirect to his article, so content will need to be merged to them for the information to be retained. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Kazama16's sources. Den of Geek (both of them) and CGmagonline are the strongest sources. Those two, plus GamesRadar and Bloody Disgusting and Game Rant, which all discuss his design and unorthodox fighting style, compared to other fighting game characters, may also be of some help. The more trivial sources can definitely be trimmed down, but overall, I feel this isn't redirect-worthy. I can see this being a Voldo type of situation, where most of the notability comes from his "freakish" design and unorthodox fighting style. MoonJet (talk) 22:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isolated, the Bloody Disgusting source would be good...but it's just saying the same thing as the CMag and previous Game Rant sources. Much like there's only so many times you can say "this character is sexy" in an article, "this character is freaky" starts to get repetitive fast.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Charlotte Sartre

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Fails WP:GNG. No WP:SIGCOV from secondary sources that shows notability. Demt1298 (talk) 02:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Draftify - Doesn't entirely establish notability. Needs better sources and better info. Too many red links, suggesting that not notable
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Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She is the subject of a number of profiles including Las Vegas Weekly, Jezebel, and Paper. She's also discussed in several academic sources as seen from a Google Scholar search: [36]. I think there is enough to meet GNG. Thriley (talk) 04:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There is a mix of moderate and trivial mentions, from databases or entertainment platforms that focus on her work rather than her broader impact. However, given the combination of in-depth interviews, mainstream coverage (Stern), and critical industry coverage from Las Vegas Weekly, Adult DVD Talk, the subject passes WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify. Not seeing a keep on sources now there. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are two articles from the Daily Beast which detail Sartre: How Porn Made These Women Feel Empowered: ‘It Gave Me a New Sense of Confidence’ and The Rise of Video Conferencing Quarantine Porn. Thriley (talk) 20:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Melissa Tan

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Other than winning the national Miss Universe in 2006, nothing of note can be found on her since then. – robertsky (talk) 03:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. We certainly don't have to accept this because it is just an essay, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Notability (beauty pageant participants) states that national pageant winners in the big four pageants (of which Miss Universe is one) are generally presumed to be notable. Meaning that its likely WP:SIGCOV exists. Given the year she won, it is possible the coverage was more offline than online as it was in the weird time period where everything hadn't yet shifted over even though the internet was up and running. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well... I tried doing WP:BEFORE through wikipedia library, and could only find two articles in 2007:
- Civic thrill for beauty queen: [New Sunday Times Edition]
Summary: About her purchase of Honda Civic.
- Celeb style [Malay Mail]
Summary: Interview about her fashion style.
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I’m not surprised. The pageant would have not been covered in the UK or the United States but would have been covered in Southeast Asia. The best sources are probably offline (at that time; maybe digitized now?) newspapers in Malaysia, and I don’t believe most are available through The Wikipedia Library.4meter4 (talk) 05:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above two articles were accessed through ProQuest in The Wikipedia Library and are from the two of the major newspapers in the country at that time. – robertsky (talk) 06:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and they are both English sources which tends to cover a different type of content scope targeted more toward English speaking expats. I would expect better coverage in the Maylay language papers.4meter4 (talk) 06:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gary M. Hymes

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The sources Fail General Notability Guide and specific Notability Guidelines for WP:ANYBIO Ibjaja055 (talk) 04:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Coverage from current sources does not seem signficant. One nomination for Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Stunt Coordination does not satisfy WP:ANYBIO. A cursory Google search turned up an LA Times article involving Hymes [37], but the coverage of Hymes himself is not significant. PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 05:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable stunt coordinator and meets WP:GNG, his Primetime Emmy Award nomination is notable [38][39]. He has coverage in Newspapers.com, Movie stunt men at Hardy Bridge, and The Los Angeles Times article is still a good source [40] but the article is actually more longer in Newspapers.com, Just call him 'The Publisher'. Those two Newspapers.com sources help show that he does meet WP:GNG and that he's notable. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 20:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nileena Abraham

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Despite winning an award - which many translators appear to win and that does not inherently make them eligible for a Wikipedia article – I am concerned that this subject does not meet WP:GNG. The citations are all primary or unreliable and I can't find any other reliable sources that cover the subject in a significant way.

Please assume good faith in this nomination. It's nothing personal! Thanks everyone. Missvain (talk) 22:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Comment~~. Would having been the Dr. Suniti Kumar Chatterji Professor of Bengali at the International School of Dravidian Linguistics, Thiruvananthapuram count as a named chair for the purposes of meeting WP:PROF? Also is the Who's who of Indian Writers, 1999: A-M considered completely unreliable? (Although the Google Books link given is incorrect, the subject does appear on pp. 7–8.[41]) Espresso Addict (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would find it very odd for someone with only Master's degrees to hold a C5-qualifying named chair. And the school isn't even notable itself! JoelleJay (talk) 02:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
JoelleJay I think it's easy to become very US/UK centric with these named chairs.

On the question of GNG, I found a substantial material on Abraham in JSTOR .5325/complitstudies.53.2.0359, which has substantive (~3pp) coverage of her work translating Arogyaniketan by Tarashankar Bandyopadhyay, with some bio material. Considered together with the award, and Who's Who entry, and given that the above source is talking about work in 1961 and not in English, I feel that further expert research offline by someone who speaks the relevant languages is likely to uncover more material, so I'm going with keep. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:28, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Espresso Addict who has has convinced me that this person meets WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 01:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alisha Palmowski

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I suggest you read the notability guidelines under WP:NMOTORSPORT - the subject does not come close to meeting any of the criteria for that, let alone a generic sportswoman. MSportWiki (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft- that does not mean she hasn't gotten any coverage because she has however it might be better to draft it 109.76.211.121 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – I have to agree with article creator User:BurningBlaze05 here; this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. The subject is 18, stepping up to F1 Academy imminently and coverage exists. Links 1 to 3 above are good enough; the rest are either WP:ROUTINE or primary. Moving it to mainspace this early was a mistake, but WP:POTENTIAL is high and several users seem interested in working on it. MSport1005 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: per MSports1005 - subject could have clear notability/SIGCOV in the near future. Publication was too soon. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Illinois Farm Bureau

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WP:BEFORE reveals no ostensible notability. Article is almost exclusively unsourced and written by the organization themselves (user 'Ilfb1916' clearly violates WP:ISU and implies this is the subject itself), being functionally a billboard instead of a resource with any encyclopedic merit. IP editor who removed PROD did so under the justification of "Useful links and relevance due to member and partner organizations", but this is complete nonsense as it pertains to notability. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 23:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, this is an interesting kettle of fish. On the one hand, we would presumably have a clear example of what WP:BRANCH was intended for; failing to find sources outside of the branch unit's area of operation, we would redirect to the parent organization. On the other hand, on this very day the American Farm Bureau Federation kicked the Illinois Farm Bureau out of the federation over a membership/business dispute, and as of December the state bureau will not have a parent organization, litigation and backroom dealing pending. I don't see any WP:SIGCOV of the organization in non-WP:TRADES publications separate from this dispute, and that coverage is all in agricultural trade publications and local news outlets in small Illinois markets. In the absence of an WP:NORG pass and without an appropriate WP:BRANCH redirect target, I'd have to !vote delete. Open to an WP:IAR redirect to American Farm Bureau Federation too. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Uh... Wow. I was not expecting this to take that direction. The WP:BEFORE I'd done for this organization was two days ago, so this wasn't even on my radar when I nominated it. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. According to the NPR story given already above the IFB is the largest insurer of farms in the state of Illinois. It's a significant company with a lengthy history. There is significant coverage in the following including a book about the company:

Nancy K. Berlage. "Organizing the Farm Bureau: Family, Community, and Professionals, 1914-1928" Agricultural History, Vol. 75, No. 4 (Autumn, 2001), pp. 406-437 (32 pages) https://www.jstor.org/stable/3745183
Farmers Helping Farmers: The Rise of the Farm and Home Bureaus, 1914-1935 (2016, Louisiana State University Press)
Dan Leifel and Norma Haney. The Diamond Harvest: A History of the Illinois Farm Bureau (Bloomington: Illinois Agricultural Association, 1990).
Cynthia Clampitt. Mid- west Maize: How Corn Shaped the U.S. Heartland (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2015).
Additionally JSTOR has 240 hits when searching on the "Illinois Farm Bureau" and there are more than 9,000 hits in PROQUEST with lots of SIGCOV news coverage across many decades. Sourcing and WP:ORGCRIT is not an issue here. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some thoughts on these sources:

The first two (the Agricultural History article and the LSU Press book) are both by the same author, Nancy Berlage. Collectively these would count as one source (since they are not intellectually independent of each other).
Dan Leifel and Norma Maney both worked for the Illinois Farm Bureau for decades, Leifel as general counsel and Maney as an executive assistant. Their history of the IFB cannot be considered an independent source.
Can you point to what in the Clampitt book refers to the Illinois Farm Bureau? I can't access the text but the snippets available via Google Books indicate it's only index mentions, not WP:SIGCOV. Would be happy to be proven wrong if you can share how Clampitt discusses the subject. (If it was pulled from this Illinois historiography article, it's clear the author is talking about the Maney and Leifel book, not saying Clampitt covered the IFB in her book: Agriculture remains a critical part of the Illinois economy. A recent centennial history of the Illinois Farm Bureau offers a broad look at state agriculture including the post World War II period. Cynthia Clampitt wrote a history of midwestern corn production that includes work on Illinois.)
The "NPR" story I linked above is actually a local radio story from an NPR affiliate and doesn't pass the WP:AUD test.
I paged through many of the JSTOR listings and didn't find any additional WP:SIGCOV. Apart from the Berlage article above, they all appear to be WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS.

Based on this analysis, I see only one WP:SIRS source to pass WP:NORG. Open to reviewing more if you can supply additional examples. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Domain authority

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Aazingly outdated article for something that seems at core to be based on one company's ("Moz") proprietary product.

The article ttself makes this clear:

"The software as a service company Moz.org has developed an algorithm and weighted level metric, branded as "Domain Authority", which gives predictions on a website's performance in search engine rankings with a discriminating range from 0 to 100".

Search doesn't work this way any more, and almost all the references cited are incredibly outdated; the thing described doesn't really exist any more, algorithms have moved on. There is probably an article to be written on site reputation, but this isn't it. — The Anome (talk) 00:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close per WP:WRONGFORUM. I don’t think this is something we can handle at AFD because it requires expert opinion and original analysis based on expertise rather than an evaluation of sources based on WP:N or WP:Deletion policy. It is essentially a content decision more akin to a content dispute than to notability issue. I would suggest working with editors on the talk page and discussing how to handle this or contacting a relevant WikiProject to enlist editors on reworking or repurposing the article. A move discussion might be in order at that time to your suggestion of site reputation. I don’t think AFD is the right pathway to address these issues. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jimmy Here

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Non notable YouTuber with noting close to notability requirement. Majority of the sources are primary to his YouTube videos and websites announcing events. Wanted to put it up for CSD A7 but thought that bringing it here for general discussion will be better Mekomo (talk) 05:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel B. Matthews

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This article has been toned down over the years but still seems decidedly promotional. "Here, Dan attained his M.B.A. in a mere 8 months, specializing in Marketing and Business Management. He managed to do this. while working two jobs at the same time" Everything is sourced to an article from his university's alumni association, and I'm skeptical that this is independent. That article certainly reads like a subject-provided biography.

The claims of notability are that he was a Senior Vice President at Northwest Airlines and won "North American Deal of the Year Award in 2006" and "AirFinance Lifetime Achievement Award in 2003". "North American Deal of the Year Award" gets under 30 total Google results, with conflicting information about who gives it, and none of the sources seem particularly reliable. When I google "AirFinance Lifetime Achievement Award" the only results are this guy's Wikipedia article and college alumni articles, and a random person's Linkedin bio. These do not seem like notable awards. Here2rewrite (talk) 03:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Agree this is definitely promotional. Sources 1, 2, and 3 are all the same "Daniel Matthews 76' - Alumni Achievement Award 07" page from his university alumni publication. Almost word-for-word. The Source #4 is a university news release that announces at the very bottom that Matthews will receive the "Lewis University Distinguished Alumni Award" — Maile (talk) 05:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2009–10 FC Nistru season

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stub not currently fit for mainspace and no evidence of notability Microwave Anarchist (talk) 03:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Article on the beginnings of the project. Svartner (talk) 09:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Lowery

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See previous AFD. Still not notable. UtherSRG (talk) 03:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Snooze (Agust D song)

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Do not believe this passes NSONG. Charting is almost certainly too little (Vietnam Hot 100 page doesn't even verify it's charting; this page does, but that the sourced page doesn't even go past the top 25 of the chart suggests non-notability of the peak position), and the rest of the sourcing is album reviews which all barely mention the song specifically and a database page. Redirect to D-Day (album). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 02:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the song has charted on several national charts (Japan Oricon, Billboard Japan, Billboard Vietnam Hot 100, United States Billboard Digital Song Sales) which is a criteria for WP:NSONG. In addition, there is likely enough coverage in existence to expand the article to be more than the stub it is right now. RachelTensions (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, well-sourced article, Top 20 in Japan, clearly meets WP:NSONG. 162 etc. (talk) 04:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the album per NSONG: "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability. If the only coverage of a song occurs in the context of reviews of the album on which it appears, that material should be contained in the album article and an independent article about the song should not be created." The only other sources being unimpressive appearances in chart statistics is a very low bar and should be ignored. Tag the redirect as having possibilities. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 10:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seth Hill

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No signifigant coverage in any reliable and secondary sources. There are only sources briefly mentioning awards that Hill has been nominated for. No biographical details. Sebbog13 (talk) 01:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets 4C of WP:CREATIVE "won significant critical attention" as an Oscar nominee, for his notable work on Top Gun: Maverick, starring Tom Cruise. He was also nominated for a BAFTA Award for Top Gun: Maverick and a Primetime Emmy Award for his work on Stranger Things. He definitely has reliable and secondary sources on him [52]. His oscar nomination sources [53][54][55][56]. His emmy nomination sources [57]. There are biographical details where he leads Method Studios along with two other people [58][59]. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 02:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. per the information and links provided above by User:MoviesandTelevisionFan. — Maile (talk) 02:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Clickwheel

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Was deleted before in 2006, still doesn't seem to meet GNG. Though I don't want this to be deleted either, I think this needs to be. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 00:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emmanuel Savary

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Non-notable figure skater; does not even come close to meeting the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Includes two local publications; I'll let the community decide whether that qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jadden, Indiana

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According to Baker, a post office named after the postmaster. Nothing much there exacpt a couple of houses, so no reason to beleive it was more than that. Mangoe (talk) 00:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Los Juglares del Dexas

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The previous discussion was closed for soft deletion, however, the reason it was restored was due to the previous nominator being a sock of a banned user. While being an NPP, I stumbled upon this article. Sadly, a quick search revealed little that would contribute to notability. Hence, I think it should be deleted. Tavantius (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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