Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billboard (record producer)

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:33, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable person, Does not meet WP:GNG. Has been tagged since July 2011 as needing more references. Zpeopleheart (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Lakun.patra (talk) 12:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Lakun.patra (talk) 12:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as News and two web searches found some links but surely nothing convincingly better. SwisterTwister talk 05:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Clearly fails GNG. Ceosad (talk) 21:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Clearly passes WP:COMPOSER; needs better and more references, which I can find extremely easily on Google when I looked so... Instead of deleting, you could always find these not-so-dificult to find citations. Edit: I added liner note citations to all of them. I don't see a need to cite the record sales of them for passing NALBUMS, you can just find that on the album pages. Since the complaints about this article are no longer existent, I propose the AfD end. SanctuaryX^{Stop talking in codes} 02:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But isn't this about a person instead of his recordings? WP:NOTINHERITED I struggle in finding anything more than brief mentions about him. This WP:MUSICBIO guideline is more relevant: "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." Liner notes help, but they are not independent sources. Ceosad (talk) 14:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I looked a little further and there's actually WP:COMPOSER"Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." He has several notable compositions in that list.SanctuaryX^{Stop talking in codes} 14:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he seems to be a notable person, and would undoubtedly be notable, but we cannot prove that he is notable. I am worried about depth of coverage that is certainly lacking in any sources I could find. Ceosad (talk) 15:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can find more references, but you only have to meet a criterion, not all or multiple of them to be considered notable. I had that linking to the wrong page~ Fixed it. Plus, your NOTINHERITED link, doesn't apply because it isn't inherited. You can't inherit something from what you created. That is meant to say that just because a person/thing is notable, not all of their works/associated things are. If a person's works are notable, then that person is notable.WP:COMPOSER.SanctuaryX^{Stop talking in codes} 16:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Actually, if they meet any of the criteria of WP:COMPOSER, they may be notable; it doesn't mean they are notable. In this case the lack of significant in-depth coverage doesn't help them pass WP:GNG, and their songwriting credits aren't strong enough on their own. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:16, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I agree that the almost complete lack of substantive coverage is a death knell here. The songwriting credits by themselves are insufficient. --Bejnar (talk) 16:26, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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