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Hi there, the latest figure for Shanghai's population is only for Shanghai's core districts and suburban areas. The official Chinese source cites a population of over 19 million, but it includes the floating population. I therefore used the World Gazetteer's figure, which is extensively used to justify the rankings in this article, including that of Mumbai's. You will need a better reason for rejecting my edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by By78 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Having lived in Shanghai for 16 months and stayed in Mumbai for two weeks, I think I can offer something to the discussion here. First, let's start from the root: the definition of city proper. I checked out the wiki article on this term, and it seems to define it as the territory falling under the control of a municipal government. If we apply this definition, then why when it comes to Shanghai, we have to stick to the core districts and some adjoining urban areas? My only guess is that some believe that beyond the urban core, Shanghai is mostly idyllic farms, with pigs running around, and with satellite towns dotting the landscape here and there, unconnected to Shanghai's urban core. My experience in Shanghai tells me that this notion is simply silly. Surely that many of the outlaying districts are mostly farm lands, but what most people have not had the chance to see with their own eyes is how expansive the urban area of Shanghai is from its Pudong and Puxi core. Unlike NYC-Newark, where one can discern where NYC ends and where Newark begins, Shanghai's urban area is contiguous, without break. One cannot discern any "satellite" towns or districts at all. It is an eyeball-to-eyeball jungle of concrete buildings. At the urban core, you have the CBDs, with their obligatory skyscrapers, and further out, the height of the buildings gradually decrease, until miles and miles out, to become four story buildings. This massive swath of civilization (no farmland here to break up the urban jungle) is where the vast, vast majority of Shanghai residents live. It is only after you get beyond this outer limit of four-story houses, that you encounter farm land, which runs continuous out to the municipal boundary of Shanghai. This "outer-belt" of arm land is indeed sparsely populated, but even if you are to exclude it from the population count, Shanghai at most would lose one million residents. In fact, the latest Chinese figure has Shanghai's population at around 19 million. Gazetteer's number is much lower, and I believe this is because Gazetteer had already cut out the "rural" and the "floating" population. In fact, Gazetteer's figures is pretty close to the number of Shanghai residents who registered with the Hukou system.

Another reason people might be confused about how to define Shanghai is that the Chinese call it a provincial-level city. This term has nothing to do with Shanghai's size or population. It simply denotes Shanghai's status as a priority for economic development, and as such, it is purely an economic term, denoting its importance to be on-par with that of a province, with equal priority for securing funds and subsidies as the provinces. One should not get the impression that the Chinese turned a province arbitrarily into a city and decided to call it Shanghai.

I'd be more worried about the actual population in Mumbai. My experience informed me that more than 60% of Mumbai's population live in slums, and more than half of the slum population are residing in Mumbai illegally, meaning that their places of residence has been acquired illegally through squatting. If we take this into consideration, then Mumbai's population should drop by at least three million.

I hope I had expressed clearly my justifications for moving Shanghai to the top of the table.

By78 (talk) 21:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for catching errors in coordinates. If you would like to correct the errors yourself, you can see Wikipedia:Obtaining geographic coordinates. Or, for a direct method, you may use a website like EarthTools and zoom in to the place you want to cite. I don't mind correcting the errors; I'm showing you how I do it just in case you want to try it for yourself. Tinlinkin (talk) 03:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. Someone the Person (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!I come from Shangqiu in Henan,China,so my English isn't very good,i'm very sorry.But I will say that the population of Zhoukou is really 10,600,000,not 1,060,000.You know,china has the largest population in the world,and Henan has the largest population in China,it's nearly 100,000,000.Zhoukou has the largest population in Henan,which has beyonded 10,000,000.It's has 10 counties,almost every county has a population of 1,000,000,so,the population of Zhoukou is really 10,600,000.Except for Zhoukou,other cities in Henan also have a large population.For example,Shangqiu has a population about 9,000,000,Nanyang has a population beyond 10,000,000(not 1,000,000).I think the foreign friends can't realise the population in Henan. a person come from China,who doesn't have a account in English wikipedia but has a account in Chinese wikipedia(my account is "hesida2000",if you know some Chinese,you can talk to me about it, 1:55,17 October,2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.60.192.84 (talk)

Firstly, thanks very much for beginning work on those township-level divisions of Changsha. I could hardly work at that speed for article creations, nor do I want to... In the future, consider adding coordinates, and a pushpin map to the infobox. For more, see Infobox settlement.

PS: Do you read Chinese, or did you use Google Translate...? –HXL's Roundtable and Record 01:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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You have been mentioned at ANI, see this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Someone_the_Person section BsBsBs (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I appreciate your effort to keep my user page from harm, but I actually have a "vandalize page here" section on my page deliberately so that people can make nonconstructive edits. I'm hoping it'll keep vandals away from the rest of my page, and also give non-vandals a chance to have a little fun without causing any real harm. Thanks. Someone the Person (talk) 19:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That section is pretty much a poster child for the WP:Beans essay. Not only does it actually suggest vandalism to a user who happens to visit, it actually encourages it by stating there will be no consequence. Aside from that actually being against the userpage policy i hope that you do understand that vandalism patrols such as myself aren't going to check userpages for random statements that vandalism on a particular page is allowed? Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 17:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't know it was against policy. I'll remove it. Someone the Person (talk) 18:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for taking action on this page, as I was struggling to get round to going through it further. However, not sure if it should've been done in a different way, as isn't the page history and talk history lost/not easily followed this way? Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 06:18, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eldumpo, sorry if I got in the way by suddenly redirecting the page, but you hadn't touched it in days and I wasn't sure if you were going to come back. I thought that maybe if you did you'd be able to continue your work by looking at older versions of the page, although I realize now that you wouldn't be able to save your work partway through that way, unless you did something like make a user subpage and put the version you were working on there. Sorry if I disrupted anything. Someone the Person (talk) 15:40, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's OK, now it's done I probably won't try and go back through the refs, but should we try and rescue the talk page history, which shows the consensus behind redirecting the one page? Eldumpo (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page is still there, isn't it? Someone the Person (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Of course you're right,[1] I must have misread the history somehow. (I thought you inserted an extra and, not removed one.) Sorry. Bishonen | tålk 06:49, 1 April 2022 (UTC).[reply]