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• Matthew Brettingham - FAR KJP1 (talk) 17:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Midland Bank, Poultry - needs expansion.
• 6th Baron Tredegar - needs an article, but draft exists - now article, John Morgan, 6th Baron Tredegar
• Cliff Tucker (executive) - needs an article, probably best left in A. E. Dyson
• Raymond Howell - needs an article
• Marquess of Bute - 8th needs an article, [2]
• Pevsner Architectural Guides - re-instate full tables
• Monmouthshire - finish updating
• Salisbury Cathedral - needs more work.
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• Do NOT do DYK

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		For your continued unstinting and heroic labours, very largely unsupported, at the CCI. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciated, Martin. But I wouldn't say it's unsupported. Others, including Dianna, The 4lines, Moneytrees, Tony and yourself, have put a lot of of effort in. I think it's just that, being jubilado (! - I'm learning), I have rather more time. And tomorrow, Mr Pickford should be arriving with all my books, so, if needed, we can help Murgatroyd with A la Ronde. That, and the remaining two sections will knock off Part 1, and with 4/5/6 already done, the end will be in sight! If still rather a ways off.......! KJP1 (talk) 14:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't he "make exceedingly good cakes"? Ah no wait, that's the other guy, isn't it... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KJP1, I had just been thinking that I should ask you how the move was going. Sounds like it's coming along well? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:09, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tryptofish - Great to hear from you. It is actually going pretty well. There are many challenges in relocating to an area where you don’t speak the language with any fluency - but there are many compensations. The city is truly beautiful, the weather is fabulous, and the tapas and wine are close to unbeatable. Now, we just need to sort the pets, the house, the wifi, the doctor, the dentist, the padron…. I really hope your own personal issues are resolving themselves. KJP1 (talk) 19:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olé! the claim that this is "taken from "Top of the Pops" (BBC) 1974" seems a little wide of the mark, but hey, it's hardly Coltrane is it! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful weather, tapas and wine – that all sounds wonderful, and well worth the remaining hassles. Thanks for asking about me: it's a slower recovery than I had hoped, but overall good, nothing serious. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phew!! Four down, two to go. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep - we're making progress. I think I'll try Section 3 next. It doesn't seem to have those multi-edits of which you're so fond. Normally covering current events (how is Mrs Vennells by the way?), obscure jazz artists, mass murderers or Strictly contestants! KJP1 (talk) 13:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're not on speaking terms, I'm afraid. Shucks, looks like you've got my top interests well and truly nailed there. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I missed out a, to me somewhat unexpected, interest in the technical aspects of planes, particularly cockpits, air/road accidents, ergonomics, and matters loosely grouped as health and safety. As well as European artists as obscure as your jazz musicians. What a polymath you are. KJP1 (talk) 14:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Polymath?? lol... More of a half-dead parrot, I'm afraid. Less "pieces of eight", and more British blues history... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:28, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be the New Polymath. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or more likely just Poly Styrene: [3] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tired? Fed up of tedious assumed copyvio from long-dead sources? Tense, nervous headache? Take St Basil's!! ... just sayin' lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Burying your horse in the garden?? That's worse than a dog cemetery! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can read my mind! KJP1 (talk) 13:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...and after 3000+ copyvio checks, you can also read mine, alas... Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the change, it looks better, especially as the image is relevant to both sections. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Murgatroyd49 - Thanks. It's not perfect, but I think it's better than it was. At least it doesn't smash into the Refs. In an ideal world, I'd have found a cite that supported the whole para. and kept it, but it's a far from ideal world! All the best. KJP1 (talk) 13:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello hello! Believe me, I'm tired of Montacute House – I don't think anyone arrives at a talk page to discuss fairly minor (to my mind) changes and still be there weeks later, but that's the nature of the Wiki sometimes.

On a lighter note, how are things with you? Are there any Burges-related articles left to bring up to standard, or have you finished for the moment? Personally I'm taking a bit of a break after doing Dolwyddelan and Criccieth castles, but I'm sure I'll find a project soon – I did think about bringing Penarth Fawr up to GA, it's not all that far off in its current state. What do you reckon, given you're one of the main editors? A.D.Hope (talk) 21:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, I'm currently a little wearied by the MoS Lutherans. "Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders" is a great line, but less helpful as a basis for collaboration. KJP1 (talk) 08:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case I'll leave you in peace. A.D.Hope (talk) 10:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

Thank you for the spring clean-up for the much-missed RexxS. - As for the question about archiving (in the edit summary), I believe that the expressions of appreciation and missing are as valid as they were when written, so for whom would would we put them into a drawer? - My latest stories concern Helga Paris and Seiji Ozawa - on the Main page for a sad reason - with personal memories of concerts with Ozawa (on my talk). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I can see the point of view that says leave them as a tribute. Although, I think that's more common for deceased editors, and Rexxs is, very fortunately, not among that choir. Just an editor who decided there were other uses for their time. I'll see what other views may emerge. Very happy to leave as is, subject to occasional weeding, if that's the consensus view. KJP1 (talk) 09:56, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I do like snowdrops. KJP1 (talk) 09:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I make the image larger to show they are croci ;) - the image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here, - that other choir. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A.D.Hope (talk) 16:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“In that case I’ll leave you in peace.” Well, that didn’t last long. KJP1 (talk) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have an obligation to notify you of the discussion, as you're an involved editor, but (as the notice states) you do not have to participate and can ignore it if you wish. A.D.Hope (talk) 02:32, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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		The Winnowing Fan Barnstar
		Awarded to those who work to separate Wikipedia's "pure wheat" from its "copy chaff"! Only another 17 years before the next one.... the cheque's in the Andalusian post... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin - thank you. What an unusual barnstar, I don't think I've seen one before. I am very glad, as I know you are, that the business is done. All the very best. KJP1 (talk) 18:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a token gesture of my immense thanks. "A winnow-way, a winnow-way, the Copyvio lion sleeps tonight", & etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, holy shit. Thanks a ton for your work on that KJP1. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 19:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's good news indeed! A day that felt like it might never have come. Whew! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(You too could have enjoyed multiple B&Q discount vouchers... and a years supply of wokerati tofu. Never mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]

I'll settle for some leeks. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about some very tasty Pleurobranchaea britannica? Altogether now... "Britons never, never, never shall be slugs!!" etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 1 March 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Is that where Boris Johnson ended up? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still has full dining rights at the Bullingdon Club! He's not a spider!! --Martinevans123 (talk) 23:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

story · music · places

Thank you for having done most of Martin's CCI - that's what he says! - On Smetana's 200th birthday -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:06, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he's "cyntaf ymhlith cyfartalion", as they say in Ystalyfera. (sorry if the mutation is a bit wonky there) Martinevans123 (talk) 09:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have ideas regarding the works by Rossini and Vivaldi, perhaps? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I'm tone deaf, have a singing voice like a foghorn, and can barely tell one end of a tuba from another. I'm not the person to ask musical questions of. KJP1 (talk) 14:40, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Kaye could probably help you.... but perhaps Gerda was asking me?! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why didn’t she ask on your Talkpage then? What am I, your postman!!!! KJP1 (talk) 15:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why? 'cause I go by links to the flowers in alphabetical order when I update, and first comes K --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly not!! More of a butler of the in-between pantry, I've always thought... Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, - I meant you both, and I didn't mean their music alone, but how these works are represented in their Wikipedia articles. See Vivaldi talk. If I say one more word I'll be accused of canvassing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I might try and answer for both of us... I always enjoy a spot of camping. Especially if it involves a good pizza! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

... and the premiere of Nabucco - I always wanted to go to that theatre where Idomeneo premiered, and they played Mozart! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vacation pics uploaded, at least the first day, - and Aribert Reimann remembered. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

Sorry for using your talk page, but I couldn't think of a better way to access you. You have shown an interest in British (Country House) Architectural History. I have suggested that Wikipedians gain access to the Country Life Archive on The Wikipedia Library (https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/suggest/). Please feel free to support this suggestion (titled "Country Life Archive (Proquest)" on the above page) if you think this is a good idea.

Feel free to @ me here with any questions.

Cheers, EPEAviator (talk) 02:46, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for being a few days late, but I've only just noticed your efforts at the Monmouthshire article. Well done for attempting it! I will try to pick up any minor changes as you go. I have various offline sources (aka books), including one published by the County Council in 1974, Monmouthshire County Council 1888-1974, which may well have material that can be used (it's a very long time since I looked at it!). Let me know if there are specific questions where I may be able to help. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ghmyrtle - No apology necessary, and great to hear from you. I stumbled into it only because I want to do a small article on the Gwent County History, and then realised there was quite a lot of work needed. It's going to be a long job - partly because it's a big topic; partly because all my books, including the Gwent County History, are still in store following a move. There's a least one issue - and likely more - that's going to need a bit of wider discussion: what to cover in Monmouthshire, and what to cover in Monmouthshire (historic), including the Wales/England status issue? And the tricky issue of the western 2/5ths of the county which were in Monmouthshire (historic) but aren't in the present county, although they were in Gwent (county) (1972-1996). This is important for things like mining in Monmouthshire, a big deal in the 18th-20th centuries, much less so for modern Monmouthshire. Anyways, all that can be kicked around on the talkpage. I'd really appreciate any help you can give. I'm not editing that intensively, so feel free to add/amend/take-away anything you want at any stage. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 10:07, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi KJP1, thanks for your comment at my talk, I don't mind if you jumped in. It was a question out of the blue, although did understand their concerns so merely hidden it and kept it private. Nonetheless a bit weird where they came from and how my userpage was worth the comment, I do wonder what their links are and if they're closer to the subject then they say, as they reference long-standing discussions concerning "agenda[s]". But that's speculation. Nonetheless thanks! DankJae 18:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DankJae - If that user is new to Wikipedia/Wicipedia, I’m a Dutchman! All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm not going to go to the stake over this. My next edit on this point will be my last so you have final say. However, Turkish baths is a phrase used both in the singular and plural (check the 'literature'). Whether 'Turkish baths' or 'a Turkish bath' is used the phrase is either a place (housing several rooms with different purposes) or a process (involving several actions). The same applies to a Hammam. So my final compromise edit, since you prefer not to use the plural form, is to remove the word 'suite' which is tautological since '(a) Turkish Bath' or 'Turkish baths' are both by definition, a suite of rooms, or areas—in Cragside's case, five. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishpoloni (talk • contribs) 23:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ishpoloni - I agree the issue is minor. I've removed the image, only because it's not a very good one (hands/oblique view/sketch), but if you have one of the bath itself we could certainly put it in. Aside from that, I've left the wording as per your latest edit. My remaining concern is that it seems unnecessary to me to describe it as a Victorian bath, the whole house is Victorian being built entirely in the reign of QV, but I understand that you are wanting to emphasise the type, more than the date. Just by way of a learning point for us both; per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, we would have been better to have had this discussion on the article's TalkpageR after the first reversion. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 06:01, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your understanding. The use of Victorian does appear a bit pedantic, I know. However, it's not being used—here or elsewhere on wiki—to qualify the bath, but to qualify the word Turkish. Two points, in a nutshell: 1. The Victorian Turkish is a specific type of hot-air bath utilising only dry air, rather than a bath specific to Turkey; 'Turkish bath' is a catch-all phrase which is now used for almost anything from a steam bath to a gay sauna; 2. Actually more important, the Islamic world generally resents things such as the Turkish bath being considered specifically Turkish rather than an intrinsic part of Islamic culture. This is all set out rather more clearly in the posts by R Prazeres and myself in the section 'Name and meaning' on the Hammam talk page in September 2020, preceding the split two years later of the "Turkish baths" article into "Hammam" and "Victorian Turkish baths".

I'm not at all unhappy that you removed the image! I wasn't sure whether I could send it to you on the talk page first. It is bad a bad image, and I wasn't familiar with my wife's camera. I do have better ones of the "wardrobe", the drench shower, the tiled plunge, and a corner of the hot room. Is there any way I can show them to you—without putting them all on Commons—so you could choose one, if you wish? Ishpoloni (talk) 11:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ishpoloni - Not an issue at all. I was too grumpy, and probably 70 per cent to blame - if not more! One tries to avoid being too protective of articles one has taken to FA but it can be hard. I love hearing from other editors with an interest, and should have been more welcoming. I think the addition of an image of the bath would be very useful, but I don't believe I could see them without their going on Commons, unless you already have them on the web somewhere. Then you could do this. While we're chatting, you don't happen to know the "other bath" Mr Shifrin refers to, see Talk:Cragside? That may make a good footnote, following the text about it being unusual for a private house. All the very best. KJP1 (talk) 11:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further to your note re Malcolm Shifrin's use of 'suite'. Yes, embarrassing. I was hoping you wouldn't notice! However, that was written eleven years ago and I think I can safely say he has moved on from there—see section "Total disclosure" on Talk:Victorian Turkish baths. Ishpoloni (talk) 11:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ishpoloni - I suspected that might be the case, but didn't want to engage in outing! The Victorian Turkish baths article is excellent - I've added a Talkpage header and given it a C quality rating. I could as easily have chosen B. Please add/remove any projects you think are aligned/inappropriate. The book looks similarly fascinating, and a copy will soon be added to my library. You might think about taking the article further - it has Good Article written all over it. If I can assist in any way, just let me know. And the Bishopsgate one, [5], which I often used to walk by, is crying out for its own article. All the very best. KJP1 (talk) 12:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Had second thoughts on the images as I will probably use some when I come to the subsection in the article "VTb in private houses". So I've uploaded 4 images (+ 1 accidentally cropped version, by mistake, which I don't know how to delete and suspect I won't be allowed to). They are now on Commons at "Cragside Turkish baths". Do feel free to add one to the Cragside article if you wish. I will not be upset in any way if you decide against doing so. Best wishes. Ishpoloni (talk) 15:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added - and it looks good. Do we have a snappy quote? I like captions. KJP1 (talk) 18:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Do you have your Pevsners to hand these days? I've been working my through the surviving Stephenson-designed structures from the London and Birmingham Railway. There are surprisingly many, though sadly the original Euston is long gone. I've found a potential FA in Wolverton Viaduct. I was hoping Nik or his successors might have an opinion on it. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HJ Mitchell - I am amazed you have the time! Unfortunately, they are all still in boxes, as we await the builders. These things can take some time in this neck of the woods. I shall add it to my list; I'm quite sure Sir Nik will have something to add. Not directly related to your quest, but have you seen this, River Irwell Railway Bridge, by his old man? As you can see from my pic, it's exceptionally hard to get a decent view of it. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 12:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I have, and yes it's damn difficult to get close to! It's Grade I so you'd think it would be an easy FA but there's not much depth to any of the coverage; I have a pile of books and they all have the same three or four sentences! Might have to pad it out a bit with some background on the Liverpool & Manchester. Some of the other engineering works on that line definitely have FA potential. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have long observed the Triduum as a Latin Rite Christian, and that is the first time I have seen the Latin name for the week. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon - Catholics know how to celebrate! KJP1 (talk) 07:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! Now that the some normality has returned after the whole Montacute thing I just thought I'd pop by and see how you were doing. Are you working on anything interesting at the moment?

I was also wondering, after your comment over at the Pevsners article, just how big your collection is – my own is quite modest and entirely composed of the more recent editions, so I'm a little envious of anyone who's managed to amass a more complete set! They do come in handy – I'm in the middle of giving Gibside a bit of an overhaul and the National Trust guidebook is one of those fairly slim modern ones, so having a copy of County Durham to hand has proved invaluable.

Anyway, I hope you're enjoying your weekend. A.D.Hope (talk) 12:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A.D.Hope - Thanks for dropping by. I’m well thanks, and hope you are too. Not really got anything major on the go at present. Have been doing some bits on Monmouthshire, which still needs work. My problem, and it’s not really a problem, is that all my books are packed up following a move, and it will be a while before I have them back on shelves and readily available. Which includes my set of Pevsner. I was lucky enough to start pulling them together many moons ago, and have both the originals and the reviseds, with the exception of the recently published Isle of Man. The revised were about half the current price then, and the originals could be got for very little. Now, at £60 a pop, it would be an expensive business to pull a full set together. But they are absolutely superb - how I wrote Andrew Pettigrew without access to the, late lamented, John Newman, I shall never know. Gibside is a very interesting garden, and I look forward to reading the results. All the very best. KJP1 (talk) 21:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See User talk:Doug Weller#My draft User:Doug Weller/Pinxton Castle. I've a lot of sources but there are contradictions between them. Doug Weller talk 13:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller - I’d be delighted to take a look, and will do so shortly. KJP1 (talk) 21:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll link my sources to the talk page shortly. My main problem is disagreement among sources. Give it a day or so and I"ll put something on the talk page about that. Thanks very much, Doug Weller talk 06:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller - Fine, then I'll take a look. I tend to think with disagreement among sources, the best approach is to just reflect that disagreement. Piercefield House is a good example. Cadw and the book sources disagree on the build date, and even who the architect was! KJP1 (talk) 09:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree entirely. Sources that I have, except the article by William Stevens which I have in hard copy, are now on the talk page with raw urls to easily identify them. Thanks again. Doug Weller talk 12:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller - Just in case you've missed it, I've put some suggestions on the Pinxton Castle Draft Talkpage. As has Richard Nevell, who knows more about castles than I ever will. Let me know if I can be of further help. KJP1 (talk) 15:14, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's fantastic. RL has been a pain for a while, plus Admin etc stuff, so I haven't gotten around to it. Then lost all my Firefox tabs, somehow Chrome got attached to my Arbcom address, etc. Now getting ready for my wife's WI evening tomorrow with people coming here and dealing with work being done on kitchen cabinets! Have to go depoo the garden now, organise my sous vide tenderloin to make Banh Mi, I forget what else. Oh, didn't finish my Treadmill 2k. Doug Weller talk 15:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know you're interested in old churches. So I just wanted to check you were ok and hadn't been trying to get a really good photo for Wikipedia?? "I say, ding dong, old chap!" Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

30! I wish. That boat sailed rather a long time ago. I’m well thanks. I am wanting to do an article on the church in our little square, but have yet to gather enough sources. KJP1 (talk) 21:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well just don't be tempted to do any climbing! (Listen... a bit of Polish botox, a few dabs of mascara, and a Turkish teeth job... and no-one will ever know!) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - I was flat out wrong - I apologize! Thank you for making the article more informative and most importantly, accurate. Thanks again!

I find myself in a Chandos-similar situation at Talk:The_Merchant_of_Venice#Plot_summary, mainly about a WP:OR section about wrongs in the play, but there's the two plot-sections as well. Take a look if you like. If you don't feel like involving yourself, that shows you're a reasonable person. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For trying. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I shall enjoy that. As to whether the attempt will be fruitful.... my expectations are not high. KJP1 (talk) 09:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but it's never wrong to try. I seem to be getting into these "battles" lately, have another one going on at [6]. Oh well. "Knowledge production, at least in the Wikipedia sense, is part collaboration and part combat." - Stephen Harrison Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you want a packet of pork scratchings with that, mate? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, art. Where would we be without it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's got to be one of the worst artworks I've seen since the last Jeff Koons showing! KJP1 (talk) 10:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being a Lovecraft fan, I liked this one:[7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And this one is great on so many levels... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Ere mate, are you just takin' the piss or what?? [8] Tim Patch 123 (talk) 10:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've actually been there and taken pictures of Piss (Černý) myself. The statues move. Note also that the "pond" they stand in is the shape of a map of Czechia. In context, that's pretty bold, but apparently, it's still there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Onto a winning stream it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia, how can you not love it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was somewhat surprised to see that Commons doesn't have a Category:Kitsch art, into which all these fine examples could be placed. Perhaps you two could toddle off there and create one! KJP1 (talk) 11:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a fun outing to the commons, but one which might prove a little tragic. $486,500!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly 1/2 a million dollars for that geegaw. It makes the five-figures people will pay for a Thomas Kinkade seem like a steal! There is indeed no accounting for taste. KJP1 (talk) 11:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about nearly 24 million for this:[9]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you want a packet of pork scratchings with that, mate? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They do have Category:Kitsch. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So they do. Why doesn't it come up when you put Kitsch in the search bar? And why do they not have any Kinkades! I suspect his estate is rather hot on copyright. KJP1 (talk) 11:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oooh, am positively Green (Lady) with envy! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well... I guess this is what happens when one drinks a lot of beer. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yay!! (... although in Oxford, Ohio, not China.) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update:[10]. And 2 threads at Wikipedia:Administrative action review. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's completely hopeless. They are certain they are right, and will not listen to/read any advice/guidance that attempts to show them why they are not. I can't see any other route forward beyond a Talk Page ban. Their appeals will go nowhere but are becoming a serious time-sink. KJP1 (talk) 10:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:48, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some passion there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It’s a paradox that passion can sometimes be highly productive on here, and sometimes an absolute disaster. I fear we shall see a reappearance as a sock ‘ere long! KJP1 (talk) 08:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A silver lining is that even behavior this like will bring some attention to the article in question, so it tends to get some "collateral" improvement. It's just a very pain-in-the-arse (what is "arse" in Shakespearean English? Probably "arse") way of doing things. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the Shakespearean for "arse" is "bare bodkin". --Tryptofish (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tryptofish - his continual punning on the word "ass" is much discussed in academic journals. The only use of "arse" that I can find is in Romeo and Juliet; "Oh that she were an open-arse, and thou a popp'rin pear". KJP1 (talk) 07:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per Trypto's edit summary I now want to mention this: The name Shakespeare probably indicates "someone to be respected/not trifled with", imagine a soldier or farmer jabbing his spear at you. However, one can, and funny-man Shakespeare likely knew this (taunts in school, perhaps?), read it as man waving his cod-dangle around in public. Or perhaps being the literal wanker. Could he have seen his coat of arms as, among other things, a good joke? If you haven't seen my Shakespeare and Star Trek article, you might enjoy it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Star friggin' Trek, my arse"! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's so good to see so much scholarly thought going into keeping our editing brains up our arses. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC) And I shouldn't admit this, but I didn't even realize I was making a double entendre when I wrote that edit summary! --Tryptofish (talk) 01:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You bet! Thanks and well done. Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered - good to hear from you and I hope you are keeping well. Yes, but removing media trivia from country house articles is an activity akin to painting the Forth Bridge. All the best KJP1 (talk) 07:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better weather though!! Stay in touch, please. All good wishes DBaK (talk) 08:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you are enjoying the night shift. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, KJP1! The list you nominated, Grade I listed buildings in England completed in the 20th century, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best lists on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured list. Keep up the great work! Cheers, PresN (talk) via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, KJP1. I'm just posting to let you know that Grade I listed buildings in England completed in the 20th century – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for June 14. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 00:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a lot more information about the history here, for instance. Would it help if I translated it into English? https://cylchgronau.llyfrgell.cymru/view/1380216/1382797/141#?xywh=-922%2C812%2C4611%2C2282

By the way, in my opinion the grid reference is useful, as it is more accessible than the latitude and longitude, and in particular in this article it serves to differentiate it from the new building (now the school). Ehrenkater (talk) 14:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ehrenkater - If you had time to undertake the translation, that would be extremely helpful. Then, either add the additional information yourself, or paste it on the Talkpage, and I'll add it. Given the estate's very long history, I'm quite sure a great deal could be added. I get your point about the grid reference, and indeed edit conflicted with you when I was trying to add Three Cocks as the closest village, though you're right that Felindre is closer to Old Gwernyfed! But to me it still looks rather odd in the lead. I've seen it appear in IBs, we could put it there? All the best. KJP1 (talk) 14:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. - I shall also scour the Pevsner for materials, when I can find it! I've left it there for now as a reminder to do so. KJP1 (talk) 14:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, will put it in the talk page. It would prob need quite a lot more work on it before it could be added to the article.

Yes, the grid reference is useful, but it doesn't need to be in the lead if you'd prefer to put it somewhere else in the article. Ehrenkater (talk) 08:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...and I am in my very first edit-war situation. Who thought bungaroosh could be so contentious?! Thanks for today's tweaks. More eyes on the developing situation would be appreciated; our unHappy Potter is really not having it, and it has the potential to turn rather nasty. PS I was delighted to see Grade I listed buildings in England completed in the 20th century reaching its deserved FL status. I will have a chance to explore the interior of Hampstead Garden Suburb Free Church later this month on a tour, so I will make sure to take plenty of interior pics to add to the category. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hassocks5489 - Think yourself lucky! The approach is extraordinary. It’s like walking into a completely unfamiliar bar, loudly declaring the beer to be shit and the customers idiots, and then being surprised that no one offers to buy you a drink. If they’d only asked nicely, I’m sure a civil discussion could have been had. I strongly suspect they have a personal interest. Shall certainly keep an eye on it. Glad you liked the C.20th Grade Is. It was fun to do. At some point somebody will have a much quicker task in listing the C.21st ones. I envy you the Hampstead churches. Like the Elizabeth almshouses, I fear I may only ever see them in pictures. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) At least it's shit! Could be worse... The wonderful Slim Dusty, and Gordon Parsons. Fair dinkum! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And for those who prefer the High culture version… KJP1 (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OMG! Just because you detest a-pickin' an' a-strummin', y'all. Every André Rieu concert comes with a health warning and a bumper-sized box of tissues. (But yes, he does bring great joy to many thousands of Europeans!) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You would be very welcome to join us on 29th June! (I went into a pub with no beer in Hastings once, back in the days before I researched pubs carefully before going anywhere. I walked straight out...) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hassocks5489 - Thank you so much. That would have been a splendid day out. Unfortunately, a recent relocation makes it impossible. But have a great day, and I do look forward to seeing the pictures. The bungaroosh guy’s latest post did at least have the benefit of civility. KJP1 (talk) 05:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you remove my talk page message? Edward Jocob Philip Smith (talk) 07:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Edward Jocob Philip Smith - a few things:

• Any editor can remove items from their own Talkpage. I did so with your message as I did not intend to reply to it. You did so on your Talkpage with my message reminding you of the WP:Checkuser function;
• Editors should not generally remove messages from other editors' Talkpages. You have done this here,[11] and you have done it here, User talk:212.250.203.150, without any explanation.[12] Why did you remove posts from the Talkpage of IP 212.250.203.150?
• That IP also posted a fake message on my Talkpage,[13] purporting to be from User:Kuru - which it wasn't - and which was helpfully removed by User:RegentsPark. Do you know why that IP posted the fake message on my page immediately after you posted?
• That IP also has an obsession with the placement of the "Sir" prefix, [14]. You have the same obsession, [15]. Would you like to explain the similarity?
• In my 17 years on here I've never asked another editor not to post on my page. As a general rule, I think discussion between editors is to be encouraged. But in your case, I am going to make an exception. Please do not post here again, unless it is to truthfully answer the questions above, or to raise a specific issue regarding an article we both watch. KJP1 (talk) 09:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hola! Hope you're well! It was all going so well, buildings wise, until this chap took over as the Met's surveyor in 1947. A sign of the times, perhaps, but he was responsible for so many of the brutalist, not to mention, forgettable, stations we still see dotted around London. The seventh to hold the surveyorship, and, for me, where it all started to go wrong (although his building in Park Lane, Croydon, was perhaps his best). I was thinking of your Essex surveyors work (Stock, Hopper, et al...) - was there a category for them? Cassianto^Talk 16:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And very good to see you back! (A pleasant change from my recent stalker.) No, his works lack a certain something... like any attempt at charm, elegance, harmony or even style. As to categories, you mean something like "Essex County surveyors". No, I'm not aware of such. It would seem to me that, for this chap and others, you could legitimately create a Metropolitan Police surveyors cat. You've got Butler, Trench, this chap - were any of the others notable? KJP1 (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good grief, sorry to hear that. The internet is full of them, sadly. Thank you, although my time here is rather limited, unfortunately; I have a stack of things I'd like to get done, but just can't find the time. All of the Met's architects, up until Elliott, seem to have been notable. Fortunately, Pevsner lists them in London 5: East, which is a big help. The first was Reeves, followed briefly by Sorby, who later invented the Skylight); then there was a chap called Frederick Caiger (no WP article); the Butlers (father and son) succeeded, separately, with the latter needing no introduction. The oldest buildings the Met still own are ones attributable to Butler Snr; Peckham and Coldharbour. Trench, with his preference for moderne/art deco, I would say, was the last notable architect; it was his design of the police telephone box that led to a certain doctor's Tardis. I have no idea how to create a cat, but it would be a good place to keep a record on them. Cassianto^Talk 19:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cassianto Oh, it's no issue. Just a kid. Let me see what I can do on the cat. KJP1 (talk) 20:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I've created a Cat, Metropolitan Police Surveyors, as a sub-cat of British Architects. It seems a legit sub-cat to me. It's a distinct office, and four holders are sufficiently notable to have their own articles. It raises an interesting question around County Surveyors. I don't know enough about the role, but I suspect it was common in Victorian England. And there are certainly some notable officeholders. I'll have a look. KJP1 (talk) 21:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This place never ceases to amaze; we have quite a well-sourced, if rather detail-light and US-focused, article, County surveyor. KJP1 (talk) 21:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a Yank and a total layman (but one working in civil service), it appears to me that "surveyor" in the sense of people like Reeves and Sorby doesn't seem to mesh at all well with what an American "county surveyor" does. We might do well to create two very different articles about the American sense of the term and the British Isles sense of the term. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Orangemike - I'm sure you're right. As far as I'm aware, although I can't find an RS, the post of County Surveyor no longer exists in the UK or Ireland, but an internet search shows that it clearly does in the US, one example among many. In the UK, they appear to have morphed into local authority Directors of Environment, [16]. I could have a stab at an English/Irish historical article. You'd likely be better placed to do a US-focused piece? As to titles, County surveyor (England and Ireland) / County surveyor (United States)? Or is there a better way? KJP1 (talk) 08:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just a reminder that when you finish your edits in this section, remove the 'in use' tag. If you are going to continue with other sections, better if you put it at the top of the article. Regards Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I see you've done it, apologies. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Murgatroyd49 - no problem. It took me slightly longer than planned, as both the HE and the British Buildings Online maps were being difficult! Now, what we need is a nice view of part of the close. Any suggestions? KJP1 (talk) 12:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I was there about a month ago, took my grand-daughter to see Magna Carta, but didn't take a camera. Next time I'm passing I will see what I can do. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 12:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Murgatroyd49 - That would be excellent. Commons has many images of individual buildings, but I'm not finding one that gives the desired sense of space/sweep. It is the largest close in the country, after all. Very much appreciated. KJP1 (talk) 12:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not replying for so long but I just spotted your message from last September (following up on your recent experience with a sockpuppeteer who has also gone after me which I did not realise until now...)

I had a look through British Newspaper Archive. Temple married the sister of Lady Bosanquet which made the owner of the house his brother-in-law (at least it's what I think I gleaned). He stayed there in January 1932 and preached at the parish church; he also stayed there in January 1934 (and preached at the local church), and in January 1941. If you want I can provide you the newspaper refs. Atchom (talk) 15:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atchom - Hi, and thanks for getting back. If you were able to provide the refs, that would be very helpful. I think it’s quite notable that the ArchB of York, later ABC, stayed at the court and preached at the church, so I’d like to put something into the Dingestow Court article.

Re. the sock; yes, while a fair amount of slack can be allowed for their immaturity, they were rather irritating. All the best and thanks again. KJP1 (talk) 05:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, KJP1. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Doug Weller talk 20:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller talk 13:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Couldn't get the caption to link to the article though. Doug Weller talk 13:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller - Think the link to Commons is working now. The images are great. Personally, I’d swap one for the Lidar map in the info box. The map is useful, and could be placed elsewhere, but it’s not a very arresting image!

Appreciate the offer to share the DYK nomination, but I’ve never really got my head round that area, so very happy that the credit is yours, as it should be. Hope all is going as well as it can IRL. KJP1 (talk) 17:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree about the map. I’m not good with images. What was your plan to use the metadata? Doug Weller talk 18:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HJ Mitchell, Richard Nevell - After a long intermission, the books are, mostly, unpacked. So:

• Knepp Castle - "the ruin of Knepp Castle. On a natural mound surrounded by a ditch and rampart, a single piece of walling 30ft high, apparently the north end of the west wall of a tower or keep with a round-headed doorway and a door or window above it. Built by the de Braoses in connection with a hunting park first mentioned in 1154 but possibly used as a refuge as well. Repaired in the 13th and 14th centuries ahead of royal visits, it has a chapel (1227), hall, chamber, services and stables (1324), and gateway (1507). In its present condition by 1720." {sfn|Williamson|Hudson|Musson|Nairn|2019|p=700}
• Wharncliffe Viaduct - "1835-8 by Brunel, to carry the G.W.R over the Brent Valley. Doubled in width in 1877. An impressive stretch of eight elliptical brick arches of 21-m span and 5.3-m rise, on stocky brick piers in the Egyptian style. The capitals and corniche are in finely-dressed sandstone; at the centre the arms of Lord Wharncliffe. Few viaducts have such architectural panache. This was Brunel's first major structure; he used the elliptical form for several other bridges on the line, notably at Maidenhead across the Thames." {sfn|Cherry|Pevsner|2002|p=185}
• Southend-on-Sea War Memorial - already done.
• Wolverton Viaduct - "of 1838, designed by Robert Stephenson, chief engineer to the London and Birmingham Railway. The viaduct is a 1.5 m. embankment across the Ouse Valley. 48 ft high, the highest on the LBR. Near the centre, six elliptical brick arches with pilasters and two narrower arches each end. Characteristic of Stephenson, the heavy stone cornice. Widened on the east side in 1878-82". {sfn|Pevsner|Williamson|2003|p=565}
• High Bridge, Lincoln - Lincolnshire's the only volume I've not yet been able to locate. It'll be in a still-packed box. When I find it, I'll let you know what it says. Now located: "medieval, but much restored. On the east side a projection carried a medieval chapel of St Thomas Becket, demolished in 1762 and replaced by an obelisk which has also gone. The west side - and this is unique in England - still carries a row of 16th century shops and houses (largely dismantled and re-erected in 1900-1 under the supervision of William Watkins). Timber-framed. Two overhangs. All windows project like oriels. Original angle-brackets with demi-figures of angels. At the back, visible from along the footpaths and and right of the Witham, stone base and bridge-arch. The timberwork here is roughcast. Two symmetrical plain oriels on brackets. Only the top floor has the timberwork exposed." {sfn|Antram|Pevsner|Harris|2002|p=523}

Hope you are both keeping well. KJP1 (talk) 07:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, that is very helpful. Thank you! Richard Nevell (talk) 11:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I thought you might like to participate in this discussion on the placement of Sir/Dame in infoboxes. Atchom (talk) 14:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To me that looks like an enormous time sink, with little hope of consensus, and only a marginal benefit. It’s not one I’d personally want to prolong. KJP1 (talk) 16:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I put a few church pics into Wikimedia Commons following your request. 10mmsocket (talk) 11:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10mmsocket - they are fabulous, and those of the font are superb! Thank you such much for taking the trouble. The page will be dedicated to you! KJP1 (talk) 11:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a few iPhone snaps. I'm in Somerset fairly regularly so don't hesitate to ask if you need anything else. 10mmsocket (talk) 11:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How did I get the commons category name so badly wrong? I don't know how to rename categories on Commons. Anything you can fix? 10mmsocket (talk) 07:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore. I fixed it all. --10mmsocket (talk) 07:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10mmsocket - But whilst you're here, I'm afraid I'm shameless! I am now interested in a building called Winscombe Hall, or The Hall, Winscombe. It looks like this, [17]. And its grid reference is ST 41818 56075. It appears to be about 6 miles from Draycott. It was built for the Rev. Yatman, the original designer being William Railton, of Nelson's Column fame. Then Yatman hauled in Burges, who spent over a decade re-modelling and extending. Unfortunately, Commons has nothing, and nor does Geograph. This may mean that it's not viewable from the public highway. In the event you are anywhere near at any point, and have the slightest inclination!, I would appreciate a few shots. But if not, I will completely understand. With very best wishes. KJP1 (talk) 08:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I have put the church up for DYK. So, inshallah, your font image may make the front page! KJP1 (talk) 08:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's now a care home (confirmed by the gallery) and it's right next to the Kings Wood / Strawberry Line public car park where I have walked the dog a couple of times. This is the place - google maps I'm down again next week so I'll check it out. I may have to ask for permission though as it's now private! 10mmsocket (talk) 08:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10mmsocket - That would be fantastic! I photographed a lot of private homes, when gathering the images for these, Grade I listed buildings in Monmouthshire/Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire. With a single exception, who was very grumpy indeed!, owners tended to be pleased and flattered that their homes might appear on Wikipedia. In one instance, I was invited to tea. But institutions can be tricky - as they have to manage the privacy interests of their residents. Anyways, if you have the opportunity, and it is possible without placing yourself at risk of arrest for a breach of the peace, I'd be very grateful. KJP1 (talk) 08:30, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

p.p.s Fascinatingly, this article, [18], talks of a Stone Memorial, designed by Burges for the matriarch of the Yatman clan, Ellen. The article describes the memorial as "mounted prominently in the grounds of Winscombe Hall." Now, that would be an image! I've no idea what it looks like, but this gives an idea of what an elaborate Burges tomb could look like, Tomb of Charles Spencer Ricketts. KJP1 (talk) 09:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thought of you the other day. I took a little Lutyens pilgrimage to Busbridge. Saw the war memorial (the photos we have don't do it justice) and the Jekyll family grave. The Mclaren headboard is no longer there and has been replaced with a standard CWGC grave marker (according to a local, it was moved to the family home in Montrose due to its deteriorating condition); not sure there's a reliable source for that yet. Munstead Wood was closed and you can't see much from the street. But I got some better photos of the war memorial and these things are always easier to write about when you've seen them in the flesh, at least in my experience.

Amazon helpfully (well, not for my bank balance!) tells me there a couple of new books on Ned. Might have to acquire those seeing as I own just about everything else printed about him.

Any chance you could consult the Pevsner for Surrey and see what he has to say about Busbridge? Probably quite a bit considering the Lutyens-Jekyll connection but he's hit and miss on things like war memorials. There might be some useful background in there though. Best HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HJ Mitchell - Well, I've not seen it but I made a Start, Jekyll Memorial, Busbridge! Let me see what Nik has to say about the war memorial/village. KJP1 (talk) 10:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had that open on my phone as I was walking round. Pretty little place. I'll have make another trip when the NT reopen Munstead Wood. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also @Carcharoth: you might be interested as you took most of the photos of Busbridge on Commons. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping, Harry. Apologies for the delayed response. Sad to hear that the McLaren headboard was removed (surely restoration or preservation/conservation in situ would have been possible?). It would be nice to have photos of both the replacement CWGC marker and the headboard in its new location. Ideally, you would leave a heritage information board somewhere in the church about the past history, including photos of the original appearance and the layout intended by Lutyens at the time. Hmm.

Busbridge was a delightful day out. My main memory of the place was the gorgeous stained glass WWI memorial windows, which are in Commons:Category:St John the Baptist's church, Busbridge (stained glass), and its three subcategories (for Tisdall, Barnes and Whatley), and the WWI book of remembrance (and other memorials) in the church, including the name panels.

As for Busbridge War Memorial, picking the right time of day (and year) to get the right interplay of light and shadow seems to be necessary. Maybe a black-and-white shot in snow (I am semi-serious here), or a historical image (if this can be freely sourced) would help. It is interesting they got Monro to unveil it - do we know if Lutyens attended? There has been some commentary: "A sensitive understanding of the architectural power of remembrance is apparent in Monro's addresses at the unveiling of war memorials at Banstead (5 June 1921), Busbridge (23 July 1922) and Streatham (14 October 1922)." (In the Shadow of the Great War: Surrey, 1914-1922, 2019) - cannot tell which chapter that is from, unfortunately. It should be possible to find what Monro said from local news reports. (To save looking: Banstead and Streatham War Memorial). Carcharoth (talk) 15:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Carcharoth no apology necessary. Glad you're still around and interested! I have a photo of the CWGC stone but Montrose is a bit far for a day trip! I'm on the south coast these days so Busbridge wasn't too much of a trek. I agree it's a shame but apparently it was in very poor condition; an information board is an excellent idea. You're right, it's a pretty village.

Knowing Lutyens, I wonder if November, around Armistice Day/Remembrance Sunday, would be the best time to catch the war memorial? I struggled to get a front-on shot that didn't have glare or shadow. I haven't seen anything that suggests Lutyens attended; I'd have expected him to mention it in one of his letters but secondary coverage is sparse for the smaller war memorials, especially the ones done through pre-existing connections (Mells being a notable exception). I bought the Kindle versions of that book (I was looking for something on Surrey in WWI anyway) so I'll see what I can get out of it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Carcharoth (or anyone else with any bright ideas) I'm struggling to find Monro's remarks. In the Shadow of the Great War cites an item in The Observer which turns out to actually be about Banstead (and still doesn't quote Monro). I've had a dig around Newspapers.com via TWL but can't find a report on the unveiling at Busbridge. Surely one of the local Surrey papers must have mentioned it but I don't know where else to look. Help, anyone? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HJ Mitchell, I've sent you a report on the unveiling from The Surrey Advertiser. No mention of Lutyens being in attendance. Monroe's address is paraphrased rather than quoted in full. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 04:48, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HJ Mitchell - Harry, you’ll have seen this re. Banstead, which talks of Monro’s address, but says nothing of what he said. It’s surely likely that he had a “set” speech which he repurposed for each occasion? KJP1 (talk) 06:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both! Frustrating that we can't find his full speech but not for want of trying! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HJ Mitchell - I have seen war memorial unveiling (and similar - e.g. regimental dinner) speeches preserved in archives, as well as reported in newspapers of the day (the degree to which this can be used in Wikipedia depends, as unpublished material cannot be used until quoted in a published work). The degree to which the speeches were reported verbatim may have depended on whether the unveiling person was organised/literary/savvy enough to both draft speeches (and preserve the drafts) and provide copies to newspaper reporters. People like Kipling and Ware would do this, but maybe generals less so (unless someone like Haig or Plumer). Royal personages doing unveilings would get reported as well, but unless something longer was written for them, they would tend to use standard phrasings. Also local memorials versus the big ones in France and Belgium would affect where it was reported (though some of the most moving ones are the local memorial speeches).

My musings on the royal personages bit was prompted by the fact that the Portsmouth Naval Memorial was re-dedicated today (the initial unveiling was 100 years ago on 15 October this year). I have always wondered why the three naval memorials to the missing were unveiled by three royal princes - there must have been some symbolism there, likely the Senior Service aspect). The other (non-UK location) war memorials unveiled by royalty (excepting Tower Hill) were the late ones of Thiepval, Vimy and Villers-B (you could also include Ploegsteert, unveiled by the Belgian Crown Prince, who possibly also came over here for the unveiling of some of the Anglo-Belgian memorials - not sure about that). Carcharoth (talk) 11:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you manage to dig out your copy of Pevsner's Surrey? I was in Brighton Library the other day but disappointingly they only had the 1970s edition, which didn't contain anything I couldn't see on snippet view in Google Books. It also had the briefest of passing mentions for Abinger Common War Memorial, Lutyens' other war memorial in Surrey. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Harry, the Surrey one’s about the only one I’ve not been able to locate. Well, and Herefordshire. They’ll be in an unopened box somewhere that we’ve not got to yet. As soon as I unearth it, I’ll paste in the entry for Busbridge. KJP1 (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HJ Mitchell, Do you mean the one by Ian Nairn, published in 2002? - SchroCat (talk) 18:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SchroCat yes, the Ian Nairn version. Our article says 2022 but anything more up to date would be great just to see if there's been any reappraisal. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. My local library lists a 2002 edition in their reference section. I'll pop in there tomorrow and take copies of the relevant bit for you. It may serve until you can hold of the later edition. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 19:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're going that way anyway that would be amazing but please don't go to too much trouble on my account. Chichester library apparently has the 2022 edition and I'm sure I can find enough there to justify the trip. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HJ Mitchell, All sent. They actually had a copy of the 2022 edition there, so you've got two pages on Busbridge and the imprint details. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I think I'm about ready to take Busbridge to FAC. Would any of the three of you (cc @Carcharoth and SchroCat:) have time to give it a read through before I pull the trigger? Thanks for all you help with it so far. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem: I’ll pop round first thing in the morning. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 20:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Grange Farm, Newcastle, Monmouthshire - the entrance gate.jpg seems to be for the one in SO4216 not the one in SO4516. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found a replacement - although I think you will find that the entrance was as described. KJP1 (talk) 10:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at it more closely, there are two Grange Farms, some four squares apart. My apologies if I used the wrong one. KJP1 (talk) 10:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I don't know why the correct image wasn't on Commons as GeographBot has now got to December 2020 and the image was submitted in 2019 but I can see you've uploaded it now anyway.

Also can you have a look at Llanddewi Court please? The image[19] seems to be of Llanddewi Court SO3417 in Llanddewi Skirrid, Llantilio Pertholey but the subject is ST3177697595 in Llangybi, thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:50, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, two things I got wrong there - image and locale (in text). Now corrected, but leaving an irritating missing image in the II* list. Thanks for spotting it. KJP1 (talk) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that you posted on the François-Louis Auvity peer review page. Tim (and others) have done some work on the article. Please feel free to review and contribute either to the article or its Talk page. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added a little - sources are scarce! KJP1 (talk) 08:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned on Tim's page, if possible, could you add anything relevant to the archbishop Florent du Bois de La Villerabel's sad page? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:52, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers - Have added an Infobox and image. Not entirely sure I've got Embrun right as he's not listed there in our article. And the photo's got a slightly dodgy provenance! KJP1 (talk) 16:40, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @KJP1:
Hope you are well. About a year ago, I did some work to expand the article on Goddards, which is a 1898-1900 house designed by Lutyens in Surrey. Somewhat unexpectedly this week, I was lent a couple of books on Lutyens' work and have used these to expand the article further. I was thinking about a possible Good Article nomination, but as I have not nominated a historic house before (and am neither an architect nor a historian), I thought I would ask for your advice.
Although Goddards is covered a fairly wide range of architecture and horticulture books, it mostly gets a single paragraph and there are relatively few that that provide significant detail. I have tried, as much as I can, to integrate critics' and commentators' opinions on the house and gardens into the main parts of the article, but have ended up with a separate Critical responses section to avoid overwhelming the more "fact-based" parts of the text.
Could I ask you to take a look at the article and to let me know if you think it has potential for a successful GA nomination please? I’d very much welcome your opinion on the article structure and on any additional points that you think I should try to include. I will be away for part of the coming week, so there's no rush to get back to me, but I'd very much value your input. Thanks very much. Mertbiol (talk) 12:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mertbiol - it would be my pleasure. I shall take a look over the next couple of days and leave comments on the Talkpage. KJP1 (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much KJP1 - that would be great! I look forward to your input. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 16:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]