Talk:Serbs/Total number

This talk page is for discussion regarding the total number of Serbs in the world, shown in the Infobox.

• Serbian Unity Congress: 12,1 - 12,4 million (NIN, Ministry for Diaspora)
• Dr. Nišić`s book: 12 million (Online version of book "Croatian Storm and Serb migrations", by Dr. Stanko Nišić, Belgrade 2002) - (read end of page 14, under "2.Rasprostranjenost Srba")
• Demograpfh Stevo Pašalić`s statement: 12 million (Frontal.rs)
• Serbian language speakers worldwide: 12 million (European Comission site (linguistic source))
• The Serbs, 2004 book, by Sima Ćirković (google books) (If someone can get an online version of this book, or if someone posseses this book, we might get a higher estimated figure of serbs from that book)

The first thing I could notice that all this sources have one think in common, they all state the 12 million number. That means that the majority of sources in some way state the same. As for the reliability, I consider that the [first source] and [4th soure] pretty solid. If we can make some kind of consensus here so I would like to hear what everybody thinks about this sources, however we can`t ignore that all of them have the 12 million estimation.Adrian (talk) 19:10, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the 12 million number shown so many times cant be ignored. Those sources (first and fourth; but also 2nd by my opinion) seem preety solid. So i suppose choosing atleast one of these for a higher total figure is the best solution.(Правичност (talk) 20:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Should we simply change the infobox since we have several sources WP:BOLD? Adrian (talk) 19:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I say yes, to change it as; c.10,5 - 12 million. (Правичност (talk) 20:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC))[reply]

I will change, but I would fell much more comfortable if more users would participate. I don`t which sources to add? Serbian unity, European Comission site (linguistic source) and the Dr. Nišić`s book ?Adrian (talk) 10:08, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that would be better, but since we got so many sources (which seem quite solid) pointing out 12 mil. figure, i dont see any controversy. I think we could use all 3 of the sources you mentioned indeed (or 2 fi you wish)... maybe you could put the refferences (together with the Blic source) all after last number like for example: 10,5 - 12 million^[1][2][3][4] - so it wouldnt look messy, but thats just a thought that came to me. (Правичност (talk) 17:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC))[reply]

What about:

• ca. 12 million^a

Sources at the footnotes.--Zoupan 17:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that would work fine too; since there are also higher estimations than 12 million (12,4 mil. is the highest)(Правичност (talk) 22:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC))[reply]

I changed. Hope this is ok. Adrian (talk) 14:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, for me, it looks great :). Was it you that also added the numbers for South Africa?(Правичност (talk) 16:32, 24 March 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Do you have a valid reference ? Adrian (talk) 16:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, sorry; that was all i could find too, but maybe i can find something more, i will try... anyway what do you think about this source (for Germany)? http://www.zentralrat-der-serben.de/index.php?SrbiuNj -it seems its sponsored by some respected German institutions and also Serbian Orthodox diocese of central Europe and European Union delegation in Serbia. While the number isnt surprising- as it is assumed that every year about 21,000 people from only Serbia leave to Germany. You think its reliable enough to be used instead of the current source? (Правичност (talk) 17:02, 24 March 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Oh, I found this source, from RTS :)- it should be valid enough for RSA (points out 20.000 serbs, and 10.000 in johanesbourg alone) http://www.rts.rs/page/rts/sr/Dijaspora/story/1526/Srbija+na+vezi/1212432/Afrika+i+Srbija+na+vezi.html (Правичност (talk) 17:06, 24 March 2013 (UTC))[reply]