Talk:Schuyler Bailar

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This article is confusing. Was this person born biologically female? If so, why not include that information if this article purports to be encyclopedic? Did this person have surgery to change from one physical sex to another (and thus transsexual as opposed to simply transgender)? What does "After transitioning during a gap year" mean? Can that be clarified in the article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 04:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Under the heading "Early life" the first sentence states "Bailar was born in New York City to parents Gregor Bailar and Terry Hong and is of Korean descent." (emphasis added) Can anyone explain how Schuyler "is of Korean descent"? Is his father not Gregor Bailar, a man of northwestern European descent? Bricology (talk) 09:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This individual is included in Wikipedia because of trans activism, not because of swimming (unlike his former team mate Katie Ledecky who is well known for achieving Olympic success as a swimmer). His swimming success was achieved as a girl, so the pronoun “he” seems odd (particularly in reference to his participation on a female relay team). Also, given his position as an advocate for trans participation in sport, it would be interesting to be able to read about how his performance as a transmale swimmer compared with his performance as a female swimmer — was his ranking higher as a male? The question is relevant because transfemale athletes (ie Lia Thomas) tend to achieve better results competing against women than they did competing against men. Do transmale athletes perform better competing against men? 2A00:23C6:6AC0:4601:4D2:6DEE:43B:9F1F (talk) 11:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article misgenders Bailar for his entire life as a female prior to his transition. In addition, the gender of the league Bailar competed in prior to transitioning was omitted. This could mislead people into believing that Bailar received those accolates after transitioning.

Bailar competed in the Potomac Valley LSC of USA Swimming and quickly rose through the ladder of swimming championships. At age 10 he competed at the 2007 Potomac Valley Junior Olympics. He continued up the ladder to the 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 JOs and the 2010, 2011, 2012 Eastern Zones.

Bailar set school records in nearly every event at Georgetown Day School. Bailar's broader high school titles include 1st place in both 2013 and 2014 in 100yd breaststroke at the Washington, D.C. Independent School League Championships (a.k.a. ISLs), the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Preparatory School Swimming and Diving League (a.k.a. WMPSSDLs) Championships and the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Interscholastic Swimming and Diving Championships (a.k.a. Metros). Bailar was a 2-time All American (NICSA) for 100yd breast, A Potomac Valley Scholar Athlete and a USA Swimming Scholastic All American.

Bailar achieved all of this as a woman, but the misgendering misleads the reader into thinking that Bailar had already transitioned.

To summarize, pre-transition Bailar should be referred as she/her (assuming those were his pronouns at birth). And, including which competitions were women's and which competitions were men's would add much clarity to this article. 216.181.127.149 (talk) 00:26, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]