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The metropolitan population of Chennai is estimated to be 8.24 million. I guess the present population must have definitely crossed 8.5 million, after I made a small calculation. If the proportion of Chennai's UA population to the population of Kanchipuram and Tiruvallur districts for 2011 is going to be the same as in 2001, the population will be more than 8.5 million. Anyway we have to wait till the release of the rural-urban breakup. So it's better we stick with this 8.24 figure till official figures are released. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 15:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

yes i agree. it should be only a few months before we get the 2011 full official data release--Sodabottle (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I have updated the figures for 2011 provisional population. The population is close to 8.7 million, which makes Chennai the fourth largest Metropolitan area in India. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 11:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm really surprsised that no one has discussed this issue after the release of provisional population results. As we all know that Bangalore overtook Chennai after the massive expansion of city limits, which made Chennai the fifth most populous city. Now Kolkata's population has declined in the last decade. Chennai is now the fourth largest city in India after Mumbai, Delhi and Bangalore. I'm not sure about Hyderabad, since the figures provided by the authorities correspond to the 2001 city limits. Also the population of Surat is projected to be 5 million, but still an estimate. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 17:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Could you kindly provide sources? If Chennai is the fourth largest city, it certainly deserves proper mention. Thanks!! Secret of success (talk) 14:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

It's almost official now. Chennai is the fifth largest city and fourth largest UA in India. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 11:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Can any one please help to provide the latest sources, As its a FA it need to be updated every time.

• Lead section countain statement The city is India's second largest exporter of software, information technology (IT) and information-technology-enabled services (ITES). and source are 8 and 9 which are the out dated/old sources related to the claim, and need to be updated with latest or should be corrected with the year(2007 or 2008) when the city was in lead.

• another statement in the lead section says Chennai accounts for 60 per cent of the country's automotive exports and sources are 10, 11 and 12 which are again out dated/old sources(2005/07) related to the claim, and need to be updated with latest statistics or should be corrected with the year(2005 or 2008) saying ''in 2007 Chennai accounts for 60 per cent of the country's automotive exports.regards,--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:07, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

As per this source, Chennai is still the second largest IT hub. I can still quote more sources. It is a well known fact that Chennai is "The Detroit of Asia". Will look for more sources for this claim too. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 17:40, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Well It shall be appriciable if you can provide some authentic sources, but I hope the article should go for feature article review by the administrator, as it contain lot of out dated sourses to be claimed the status, heading towards WP:NPOV.

Dont know who placed this info does it meet Feature article status: "According to an A.C. Nielsen survey, Chennai is regarded as the second cleanest city in India.[7]".

The very first source in lead section. Is this an authentic source to support the world wide claim and that to in lead section "and also the world's 36th largest metropolitan area.[4]".

Can any one provide the latest source for the claims in the lead section "Chennai is the fourth most populous metropolitan area and the fifth most populous city in India".

Well I hope somebody could take it seriously and do the needful,:) regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 08:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Chennai is the fifth largest city and fourth largest Metropolitan area according to the 2001 census. Since 2011 figures are yet to be released, we cannot provide any latest sources. Only official sources can be used to determine the population of cities. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 09:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Well in this case we should specify the year of its peak, rather leaving it for review, regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:49, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I've got a couple of sources supporting the fact that Chennai is the Detroit of Asia [1] [2] . Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 17:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

"Chennai accounts for 60 per cent of the country's automotive exports," no source support this sentence in the article.--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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can any administrator look into the lead section and advice for there outdated sources as per ranking claims,

before moving it to related sections or naming those with there year of ranking, i want to first discuss it here and have the admin and other editors consensus.

Kindly advise if we can name the year of its ranking with the claims, or shall we discuss the ranking in the related sections only. Is it okay if we tag a "citation needed template" with the unsourced information.

• "Chennai accounts for 60 per cent of the country's automotive exports,"(published in 2007).

• "Chennai had a population of 4.34 million in the 2001 census within the area administered by the Corporation of Chennai and an extended metropolitan population of 6.5 million.[4] a The urban agglomeration of metropolitan Chennai has an estimated population over 8.2 million people.[5]" (Where as both the source gives different figures).

• "The city is India's second largest exporter of software, information technology (IT) and information-technology-enabled services (ITES).[6][7]" (In which year? sources are bit old since 2008)

• "The Tamil film industry, currently the second largest film industry in India, is based in Chennai.[13]" (in what terms?).--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Its perfectly all right to add tags of citation if you cannot find a source. For now, I replaced the 1st and 3rd query with new sources. About 2, we have to wait till the new census is released as the city's population cannot be stated with any other source. And for point 4, I'm yet to find references ;). If you can help, you are most welcome to do so. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 16:10, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I think the references supporting the Tamil film industry seem fine as they cover a wide range of criteria. Both are updated sources, which we require at the moment, and they specifically state second largest as well. Unless a contradictory one is found, it is useless to make changes regarding this issue. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 16:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Chennai Name It is recorded that

' The first official use of the name Chennai is said to be in a sale deed, dated 8 August 1639, to Francis Day of the English East India Company'.

But it is well known that the name 'Chennapattinam' was officially changed as Chennai in the year 1996 only.

Therefore, the first statement may not be correct. The wording 'is said to be in a sale deed' shows uncertainty adding to confusion.

The use of name ' Chennai' was in Tamil only prior to official notification making it mandatory in other languages also.

K.Ramadurai 23:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jambolik (talk • contribs)

I removed the example farm tag from the "Education and healthcare" section after clearing up the "excessive" listings of institutions and the "Healthcare" content for renaming the section. Improper sources are a major reason for the bad quality of the article. Hope it isn't objectionable to anyone. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 10:02, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I've just deleted a section in the name of Chennai/Madras which is openly self-contradictory. It stated that Madras was an exonym whilst at the same stating that the origin of the name Madraspattinam was unknown.

If the etymology of the name is unknown, how can you state confidently that it is an exonym? Also I read that Indian Dravidianists thought that Madraspattinam had a good Dravidian etymology meaning something like "port of honey" whilst Chennai is the name without good etymology? The section on Madraspattinam being of Portuguese origin also seems thoroughly dubious - Madraspattinam was immediately to the north off Fort St George whereas Sao Tome de Meliapore where the Portuguese settlement was was well to the south, and the etymologies strike me as unconvincing.

Are there any Dravidianists around who can comment on this?--Cthulhu Rising (talk) 16:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Linking of Tamil word Chenni to the name of Chennai city is not appropriate. There should be only two valid reasons. First, the land was purchased from Chennappa Naicken's son, this is historical. Second, the name could have been got from the name of a Temple existed in the area 'Chennakesava Perumal Koil'. Chennakesava is name of the deity and Tamil language has nothing to do with it. Chennakesava temples are existing in Karnataka which are ancient than the history of chennai temple. We can not try to apply Tamil word 'Chenni' to the name of deity in those Karnataka Temples.K.Ramadurai (talk) 16:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It is a fact that it will be an endless list if all VIPs and VVIPs are to be shown. What I wanted to mention is about Presidents of Indian Union only being the highest and most respectable office in the Nation.K.Ramadurai (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I have set an auto archive for this page per request on my talk. Any discussion older tha 60 days will be archived. Feel free to change the setting. — Abhishek  ^Talk 13:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I am nominating this article for an FA review as it has stayed in this state for a really long time and users will get a boost to fix it only if it is nominated and is on the verge of losing the status. The longer we postpone it, the worse it will become. Many issues have been fixed but some still remain, so I require the help of the reviewer to solve them. Delhi and Mumbai have lost their FA statuses and Kolkata is undergoing a review, and has been in standstill for a long time. X.One ^SOS 15:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

The area of Chennai has officially expanded to 426 sq.km. The bill has been passed by the legislative assembly in 2004 (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2745099.ece) and (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2745099.ece). I have updated it. Please comment if any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stausifr (talk • contribs) 10:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

The population for the new area has not released. Let's wait till the FA review gets over. Cheers. X.One ^SOS 13:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

The population for the expanded area is 5.6 million according to the 2001 census. A brief explanation regarding this is already presented in the article. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 14:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

The population of the expanded area till 2011 is deduced to be 9 million. But there isn't any official release from the Chennai corporation. We'll have to wait for it. But the area expansion is in force already. Even the police commissionerate has been expanded to the needs. Hence making the Chennai commissionerate the biggest in India(I'll soon include the reference for this as well).-tausif r (talk) 08:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Ummm, I don't think it's true. The population of the Chennai Metropolitan area itself is 8.9 million :) —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 18:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure about the population but the commissionerate in terms of stations, Chennai is the biggest in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stausifr (talk • contribs) 11:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Adding script in the lead for majority articles especially including cities, states are necessarily meant for conveying or making understand for all non-english names how it is being represented in native languague. The only way to do is add native scripts in the articles. I agree that in the recently closed discussion on this, people bring some valid discussion against adding scripts. There is also a good enough reason for that. There are specific articles which has some complexity to include all scripts or one or totally none. But see that all these specific articles are more in number dealing individuals or single personalities. So applying the same formula on articles dealing or focusing the nativity like states, cities or towns is doing injustice to it. I may wish to know what makes those to remove script from here. I want to know on what view point they want to remove tamil script from this article. The complete need for creating articles in this encyclopedia forum is include and convey information in its broadest sense. ---- Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

If there is a consensus not to do something we should follow that. This is not the place for others to listen to your ideas. If you feel something has to be changed start an Rfc. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 09:42, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

This discussion is to stop the edit warring going on about Spoken languages and ethnicity. I think we should start by analyzing the resources that we have. There are two sources provided about telugu. The times of India article says that telugu speakers form the majority among non tamil in the state. It does not say anything about chennai. The hindu article says that the population of chennai is composed of telugu people. It does not mention anything about telugu language. Coming to ethnicity, my opinion is that the info box should include only the characteristics of the city. I am not sure how much is ethnicity a characteristic of a city. --Anbu121 (talk me) 05:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I am against adding that, primarily due to the fact that "other spoken languages" is a vague parameter and does not mean that only the majority among the non-Tamil group should be included. Even Kannada, Malayalam and Hindi are spoken by a significant percentage of the population, even if it is nowhere near the Telugu population. X.One ^SOS 05:41, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Ummm, then I can say parameters like "official languages" are also vague. What about ethnicity? Has it got anything to do with a city? Is this a BLP or an article about a country? If you think "spoken languages" as vague, I see no reason for ethnicity to be included here. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 12:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I would consider not including ethnicity for 2 reasons. One is that it doesn't explain anything significant about the city. Another is that, I think 'Dravidian' is the ethnicity and not 'Tamil'. I would also opine for not including Telugu as it is already explained in the prose and the fact that it lacks proper sources. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Just to add to my previous post, there is nothing like an official language for a city to my knowledge (Correct me if am wrong!). Generally the official language of a city/district would be the corresponding language of its respective territory. Besides, I see no special reason to include that in the infobox. Like you said, it can be defined in the "culture", "Administration" or "Demographics" sections. Take the case of Seattle (the one which doesn't have a field for "languages"), where apart from English, Spanish and other Asian languages are being spoken by a sizeable population. Chennai is neither a Province nor a UT (like Delhi, Pondicherry) by itself. So I would suggest, we better remove both.

There is no online data available for cities. Census libraries must be having them. There is a report from the CMDA stating there is a "sizeable population speaking Telugu in the city". —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 13:24, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

The Chennai corporation website is currently down, but I think the corporation does have official language. If the Govt. of Tamil Nadu defines the official language, it is applicable through out the state, and for a person who doesn't know that Chennai is in Tamil Nadu, it becomes an important piece of encyclopedic information. --Anbu121 (talk me) 14:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

The same report also says "Since Madras (presently Chennai) was the capital of the erstwhile Madras Presidency covering most of the areas now under the states of Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala it has inherited a mix of languages [viz. Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam]." X.One ^SOS 14:38, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

It looks like you haven't got my point or pretend as if you didn't get anything. It says there is a sizeable Telugu Population. I am not saying only Tamils and Telugus live in the city. There is a small population of Parsis in the city. This noway implies that it is a major language. My point is Telugu is predominant among the minorities. The other languages are no way near to it.

Comment to previous postThe Chennai High court has an official language (not Tamil). But why do we have fields for "Country", "State" at the top of Infobox. I guess that's sufficient for a reader to understand that Chennai is located in Tamil Nadu, India and the official language is Tamil. Take the case of Pondicherry (UT consisting if Pondicherry, Karaikal, Yanam and Mahe). Each of the administrative units of Pondicherry have different set of languages. It's Tamil and French for Pondy and Karaikal; Telugu, French for Yanam; Malayalam, French for Mahe. It would be worthwhile mentioning the languages for these places as they have different languages even though they are under a single UT (ignore the geographic entities). But that's not the case for Chennai. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 19:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Adding to our confusion, this article Official_languages_of_India says 'Tamil' is the only official language of Tamil Nadu and not 'English'. --Anbu121 (talk me) 02:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Please do not withdraw out-of-topic here and bad faith assumptions lead nowhere. If Pondicherry's instance is not the same as that of Chennai, then why was it brought up here in the first place? Regarding the Malayalam population, this is proof for the abounding influence of the group in Chennai. Further, one of the reports in the article says that Kannadigas share a number equal to that of 1/3rd of the Telugu population. How can they not be a major group if Telugus boast of that status? X.One ^SOS 10:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

This isn't out-of-topic. The Hindu article mentions only that the CM of Kerala stating "Chennai is a home away from home" for the Malayalis while inaugurating "The Kerala House", which is managed by the KTDC. It neither talks about their influence nor statistical figures showing their majority in Chennai. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 05:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I do not understand the basis for saying that "statistical figures showing their majority" are the only means of determining their influence in a city as well as the claim that only the majority must be listed. Telugus are not, by any means whatsoever, a majority in Chennai. Secret of success 06:49, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I still see that many top most indian cities do have scripts under them in lead even after the noticeboard talk page on removal of scripts ie., as many referred it as --> "rfc". I did not involve on that discussion board so I do not exactly know on what basis and what conclusion was arrived. Yet as per the notice of some respected users to me, I respect the noticeboard forum and go by it as of now and hope so what was concluded on this noticeboard is currently under implementation and so over a period of time (say a month) it will be implemented as per its conclusion all over. But certainly the urgency shown in some articles (especially like chennai) to remove native scripts now looks contrary and unfavorable. This is to bring to everyone's knowledge and I personally feel that inclusion of native script is nothing wrong as it is also part of the work on respective articles. But I also would like to remind all that failing of implementation of this throughout, will be considered as an adverse effect which automatically enables us to bring this article also under the same existing reality of adding scripts back. Look for your ideas. Thanks. ----Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 08:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello! WikiProject India has 96000+ (and still counting) articles under its scope. No one will be going and removing indic scripts from all of these just now. (All of those wont have it anyways.) So this will take time, and dont say a month, say a year or so. And if you see indic scripts on any other page, that does not mean you bring them back in Chennai. It means you remove them from those pages. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 09:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I would like to note that a guideline exists in wikipedia related to this. Wikipedia:Other stuff exists --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:OSE is an essay, and essays are neither policies nor guidelines. Secret of success (talk) 14:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Secret of success for reminding me. I didn't notice the tag on that page. --Anbu121 (talk me) 14:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Keyan20, if you have a solution that would enable mass removal of the scripts from those nearly 100,000 articles, I'd be happy to hear it. If not, then we have to start from somewhere, and the most popular pages are the logical choices to go first. Animeshkulkarni puts it well. Lynch7 14:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Per chart it's 753 degrees Fahrenheit in July; pretty warm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.13.8 (talk) 20:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I replaced the current MTC bus picture with what I considered a cleaner version (check version history). The cleaner version is also in use in the MTC wiki page. Personally, I thought it was routine edit until someone rolled back the edit and suggest it should be discussed here. Throwaway10 (talk) 20:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. The older one describes the subject clearly (no attraction in the background) and is zoomed up, while in this one, the Royapettah Clock Tower proves to be a diversion. Secret of success 17:58, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

This topic was open for discussion for a while. Seeing as there was no active discussion, I attempted to reach consensus by editing. In any case, current picture has foreground clutter and is not zoomed in on the subject (what do you mean zoomed up?). Clearly other picture has a larger percentage of the picture area devoted to the subject at hand i.e. the MTC bus. I am not quite sure how the Royepettah Clock Tower in the background is any more distracting than random people in the foreground. Failing consensus in a reasonable period of time, it is probably best to ask for a third opinion Throwaway10 (talk) 03:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The clock tower is an obvious distraction, and one can easily argue that the main subject of the picture is not the bus, but the tower. I would be pleased if you could go on about the "a larger percentage of the picture area devoted to the subject at hand", because I seem to think, quite on the contrary. With regards, Secret of success 06:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Since a third opinion is being asked for, I would say both of them are bad. This is much better picture than both of the Volvo which have distractions. There are more in the category, but this appealed to me as best choice. Also there is no compulsion to have Volvo IMO :) Srikanth (Logic) 14:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Right, I'm fine with this. Its the best of the lot, though I would feel better about it if it represented an AC bus. Only the white-colored ones are air-conditioned. But otherwise, its perfectly fine and a well-taken shot. Secret of success 06:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

It is a good photo, and far more representative of the city than those handful AC buses.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I am assuming a consensus has been reached on this picture. Throwaway10 (talk) 19:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Please Do not give former name of the city as 'Madrasapattinam', it was known as only Madras and not Madrasapattinam. Ever since the formation of the city it has been known as Madras (official and in English) or Chennai (in all Tamil texts). I think that people are mislead by the Tamil movie 'Madrasapattinam'. Actually the word pattinam was added to the Madras (in the movie) so as to avail Tax Exemption and it was not the official name at any time.As far as I see it myself the word Madrasapattinam appears in this article only after the release of the 2010 Tamil movie 'Madrasapattinam'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.176.252 (talk) 05:25, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I think we should update a montage picture. I am working on one. You could help me by selecting pictures. Srinivasan 12:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi guys, this article is now the Collaboration of the Month for September 2012. We are doing our best to get it to FA status. Please list out any issues that you may have with the article below and we will do our best to edit it. If anything needs a source, ask here, if we cannot find it on The Hindu or ToI, I can use my Highbeam account. If anything needs to be reworded, rewritten, restructured, or needs fixes in grammar/punctuation or neutrality, feel free to ask. Cheers, Happy Editing. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:45, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

It is good initiative Rsrikanth05; But if possible please avoid news papers references, because currently it is contains mostly news papers sources and it is among major reasons to delist the article from FA. It will be very supportive if editors apply the sources from books, journals, magazines, government or reliable agencies research reports, survey reports etc. Best of luck for further FA. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 01:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• Can we switch to harv style reference style splitting the books. I am also concerned about the numerous newspaper sources.
• a mention about religion or the religious monuments is missing - is a separate section needed?
• montage image has Bharathanatyam - think it can be replaced with a music one or some of the other famous monuments in the city like Fort st. George.
• Some sections like administration, demographics, culture, healthcare and education needs a total rewrite.Ssriram mt (talk) 01:21, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• Converting to Harv style (or, using snf) in such a large article will be time-consuming. I don't know whether doing so is worth the effort.
• No separate section is needed for religion or religious monuments. It should be incorporated in other section (demographics, culture etc). Religious sections may be ok in articles on cities that are particularly known for religious significance (such as Rameswaram or Puri). Chennai should broadly follow the pattern (not every detail though) in Kolkata, which is a good model because it is an FA on a large city of India.
• Agree with total re-writes for many section.
• Images and montages can be dealt with at last, after the text and sources are worked upon.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

• So guys, which style is finalized for sources?? Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

, Wait, what? Newspaper sources aren't fine? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I've done some significantly minor changes to the Transport Section:

• Rearranged the sections alphabetically, Air, Rail, Road and Se, and subsequently rearranged the images as well.
• Given a new caption for all the images.
• Replaced the MTC Volvo with a non Volvo SLF [Blue 21G] as per consensus on the talk page, Archive 6.

Here are what needs to be done:

• Get a new picture for the Airport. Something in the day time. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Why is Tamil pronunciation of Chennai in the lead section and Etymology different? Please revise as I do not know which one is correct. Challengethelimits (talk) 03:54, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the wrong one. But, I am not sure about the IPA for Madras, both sounds similar. --Anbu121 (talk me) 06:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The Cuisine and Religion (Festival) section has nothing unique to Chennai. It is same through out tamil nadu. I am removing them as of now. Please feel free to revert if you find any festival or cuisine unique to Chennai. I have also commented off empty sections earlier like politics, architecture, tourism. Please uncomment, once you have added content to them. --Anbu121 (talk me) 07:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Anbu, Though cuisines in Chennai has no uniqueness, can't we include the availability of western cuisines, which are not so popular in other cities in the state? (such as foreign brands like McDonalds,KFC, etc.). just checking with you. Challengethelimits (talk) 08:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

KFC, McDonalds are not cuisines, they are restaurants. Burgers, Pizzas, etc. are cuisines. Even if we decide to mention about restaurants, Saravana bhavan and Adyar Ananda bhavan would precede McD, KFC for popularity. I think these can be mentioned in Culture of Chennai article rather than here. --Anbu121 (talk me) 08:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Rightly said! There is nothing unique about cuisine and religion of Chennai. Also the "Cinema" and "Recreation" are not needed as they are of little encyclopedic value. The "cinema" can however be merged with some relevant section. We shouldn't give more weightage to these kinda stuff. —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 16:57, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Is this really needed? I haven't seen any city article with a section on Health care. Couldn't the info in the section be accommodated in Education and Economy sections? --Anbu121 (talk me) 19:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

We can shift it to Economy, Tourism and Education. What do you say? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Although not many articles have this, I have included this because Chennai is India's health capital. I thoughts a section dedicated to that might add value. We may move this to any other section if you desire. I suggest it moved to utility services. Discussions welcome. Challengethelimits (talk) 03:33, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Chennai is India's health capital? Ouch, I didn't know that. I only know it's the automobile city. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Comment: Firstly it is nice to see the initiative for FA.

Guys, Please do not mistaken about the Health care section with Health tourism, The section is meant for the coverage of Health stability, facilities, coverage of immunization, Medical services, common or general defficiencies among residents etc. For reference please see Kolkata and Hyderabad. Regards :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 01:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I initially thought it was needless, but after referring the medical tourism books, i see 45% of medical tourists to India make to Chennai. So support for retaining it. Ssriram mt (talk) 01:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I think it is good to keep the section considering the facts about 45% of health tourists and a Health capital. I would also like to propose to keep the lead contents of Infrastructure section in to a sub-section Communication and add a generic content about the infrastructure in Chennai in to the lead. tausif(talk) 11:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The lead has a sentence mentioning Chennai as cultural capital. While the reference cited is not reliable, there are a few other sources for the same: [3], [4]. But, these are travel guides. I cannot find any good book that supports this statement. So, should it be removed? --Anbu121 (talk me) 22:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Kept The source looks pretty good. Moreover, the sentence in the article is mentioned as cutural capital of South India. So, it is very sure Chennai is the cultural capital.

Calling Chennai the cultural capital of South India doesn't seem out of line to me but I agree that the source is dubious. I looked online and found this - a tad better? --regentspark (comment) 16:47, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

That contains a person's opinion, and not content endorsed by the newspaper. Given that there is no definition or criteria for 'cultural capital', it is better if the statement is removed. Secret of success (talk) 09:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the newspaper source citing a person's opinion, but there is one more source from a book, which I couldn't discount. --Anbu121 (talk me) 11:37, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Friends! Kudos! Good to see the article expanding constructively. As there is still a lot about the city to be actually covered (but haven't been so far), have added some new sections (such as Politics, Architecture, subsections in Culture, etc., after referring to articles on other international cities), which Chennai is particularly known for. Have also added descriptions (in the form of comments to the editors) about sections in case of ambiguity. Hope this would help us focus on the things that have been left out formerly. Cheers. Rasnaboy (talk) 18:41, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Can someone help me out with Recreation? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Rsrikanth05, I believe mentions 'bout zoo, beach, Guindy park, and theme parks will do half the job. Should we include malls in this section? Challengethelimits (talk) 03:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey Challengethelimits, thanks for your massive addition. I've tweaked it a bit, and am adding a few lines about malls. Lemme know if there is any problem. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Rsrikanth05, this looks fine. Thinking about adding golf course and Adyar Boat Club here. Challengethelimits (talk) 16:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead. But the parks section is overlapping a bit. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Cinema section looks neglected. Anybody with me?--Challengethelimits (talk) 14:53, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Could do with some revamping. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, as you may all know, National Highway numbers were rationalised/changed in 2010. The current National Highways passing thru Chennai are:

• NH 16 Chennai-Calcutta [Withing Chennai, formerly 5].
• NH 716 Chennai - Renigunta [Withing Chennai, formerly 205].
• NH 48 Chennai-Krishnagiri [Within Chennai, formerly 4].
• NH 32 Chennai-Nahapattinam [Within Chennai, formerly 45].

We need to mention these numbers as well. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:11, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah! what about ECR, OMR and other arterial roads? Challengethelimits (talk) 14:48, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

The major parts of ECR and OMR lie outside Chennai (outside the defined border), so I don't think there is any necessity to mention them. But the NH's would be a good addition. Secret of success (talk) 13:32, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I think ECR and OMR deserve a mention, ECR for connecting to Pondy, and OMR as part of the IT Corridor. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:21, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Just tried adding some introductory texts to the "Politics" section. However, this seems more pertaining to the state of Tamil Nadu. Chennai-specific info needs to be added with citations. Please review. Rasnaboy (talk) 18:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Most of TN's politics bank on Chennai, so I guess it would be okay. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Politics section should include details about wards, councilors, Mayor elections, and mention about the two Secretariat buildings, I guess. Should this be handled in historic point of view too (like politics during British period)?--Challengethelimits (talk) 11:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Exactly. The politics section doesn't tell anything about chennai except for the first line. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Chanllengethelimits about adding info about Mayors and Wards. Do note, some of it will come under Administration and some under History. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:38, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Can the article explain what that means? I don't know, and yes, that's because I don't know that much about Chennai. I suspect it won't be clear to many non-Indian readers. Itsmejudith (talk) 19:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Changed the wording. thanks--Challengethelimits (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

India does not define metropolitan areas. It is true that some government agencies have "metropolitan" in their names, but this is simply a label and not the result of any criteria that would designate a metropolitan area. India does designate urban agglomerations, which are also called urban areas or urbanized areas. The criteria is described at this address:

http://censusindia.gov.in/2011-prov-results/paper2/data_files/India2/1.%20Data%20Highlight.pdf

An urban agglomeration is an area of continuous urban development. Metropolitan areas are labor markets, which include rural territory from which workers commute to the urban agglomeration.

The populations of the two concepts can be similar, but they are very different urban terms and should not be mixed (confused). It is thus inappropriate to use urban agglomeration data in any list of metropolitan areas.

This article incorrectly uses the urban agglomeration population of Chennai in portraying its rank as a metropolitan area.

The same problem exists in other articles on cities in India.

I tried to make some corrections in this article, which backfired, so I have tried to restore the article to its former, and incorrect form (and think that I have succeeded). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.161.1 (talk) 22:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

The article is in great shape and potential GA but I see few issues. As said on my talk, here are the flaws which I see:

• 1st para in the Lead - things are just kept there and I'm unable to get a flow. Ahmedabad and Mumbai can be taken as an example while improving
• Infobox - this isn't the official website of "chennai" so needs to be renamed, like Official website of the Municipality
• No need of IPA in the section Etymology as it is already stated in the lead.
• After the English gained possession of the area in the 17th century, - odd sentence. Use British instead of English
• Climate - 1st line has an issue
• Urban structure is entirely dependent on a single source. Not a big issue, but 1 or 2 more refs supporting the content would be nice
• Elliot's Beach lies south of the Adyar delta. - looks like it is just kept there and should either be expanded or merged + need a ref
• Administration - last line in the 1st para needs ref
• Law and order - few claims need ref + the caption in the image needs to be improved
• Is Kollywood supposed to be like Kollywood or Kollywood in the article? Currently, it is stated in both types
• The heritage temples at Mamallapuram at the outskirts of the city are one the best examples of the Pallava architecture. - "best" is POV and the line needs to be re-written with a ref
• Architecture - few claims are unsoursed here also
• Major software companies have their offices set up here - "set up here"? or should it be "in the city"?
• In arts and culture, there is see also, "Cinema of Tamil Nadu" which should be moved under the sub-section "Cinema"
• Transport - no issues. I specially enjoyed reading this.
• need ref for The one and only Hindi Newspaper
• In Economy, tidel park image should have a better caption
• Images in Education also need to have improved captions
• Sister cities - the table is a bit too colourful. As we like to keep things simple, can it be changed to what is in Delhi? (it is colourful as well as looks sober)
• Please add up {{portal|India|Chennai}} to the see also section.
• Images need WP:ALT
• In refs, there are different methods used for dating, eg., 10 September 2012., while other being August 07, 2006. and 2009-01-25 - Please be consistent throughout
• There are at least more then 10 dead links

Overall, work by editors over the month is amazing and it is real close to getting the GA star! I hope that my suggestions would help. Happy editing guys :) TheSpecialUser ^TSU 15:07, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Odd, checklinks has marked several working links pointing to The Hindu as dead. I'm renaming the link to Website of the Chennai Corporation. Is it okay --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay guys, we have nine days in this month, and in these nine days, I think we can take it to a GA. Let's go for it! --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

We always have the option of extending the COTM for one more month. Do you think the article is ready for GA? Some of the sources are outdated. (For e.g, the source mentioning Tidel park as biggest is on November 2000) --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

We can, but I think then we should also choose another article to work on. Right now I'm trying to find sources to indicate that Chennai lies on the Thermal equator. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

If extended, the sub will get boring by loosing the element of fun so just boldly go for GA nom at the end. We still have 9 days left and wonders can be done in it. The article is currently pretty good. Wherever the sources are outdated and there are no other sources available, add "As of xxx...." to is (this was suggested at GA review of Delhi). TheSpecialUser ^TSU 16:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. I think we can still manage it. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

• It is touch away from GA status. Recreation needs ref as well as clean up, Name -> Etymology, History, Cinema and Housing need refs. Prose looks good enough, just there is a bit attention needed at Sports (merging of paras is also necessary). I think once addressed these minor issues, it is good to go for GA. TheSpecialUser ^TSU 14:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

We're having a problem with the name. Like Bombay, "Madras" is still very common. It's incorrect to say the city was formerly known as Madras, because it still is known as Madras. Based on familiarity and common usage, a good argument could be made for having the article at Madras rather than at Chennai. (As opposed to the state, which is essentially never called Madras any more.) I'm not going to argue for a move, but we need to reflect the reality that both names are in use. The sources I added after they were requested include quite a few Indian authors as well, so it isn't even an Indian vs Western thing. — kwami (talk) 03:26, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

While I think that Chennai is now fairly standard usage, I agree that "also known as" is far better than "formerly known as". Formerly applies to the official name of the city but we don't really care about official on Wikipedia. (This is so obvious we shouldn't need a source for it.)--regentspark (comment) 03:33, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

The sources provided all portray historical perspective of Chennai (some of the sources are more than 10 years old). Hence they are refered to as madras. Please don't add to the article until consensus has been reached. I am reverting the edits for now. Disciussions welcome. --Challengethelimits (talk) 04:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

The name was changed in 1996. A history of the period 2001–2011 that calls it "Madras" shows the name is still used. I chose refs from a number of years; none of them are more than 10 yrs old, but if a couple were it would be irrelevant. A tourist guide and botanical book are hardly historical perspectives. And as RegentsPark said, this is so obvious that we shouldn't need refs. — kwami (talk) 04:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

This is silly. It is still, for example University of Madras and IIT Madras]. I'm restoring kwami's text and suggest we all save our energies for other battles. --regentspark (comment) 20:44, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

People had no issues when Bombay state was renamed as Maharashtra, when Travancore-Cochin state was renamed as Kerala [though it was never before called as Kerala or Keralam in its native langauge but called as Chera Nadu] ,when Orissa was renamed as Odisha,when Calcutta was renamed as Kolkatta,when Cochin was renamed as Kochi,when Dilli was made Delhi in standard usage but they had issues when Tamil Nadu was given back it's old name scraping the term Madras State.They have problem with Chennai though the common man of British era called it Chennai and not Madras.This is the same group that mocks at inability of some Tamil politicians to speak English but takes pride of some north Indian politician's inability to speak English and calls it national pride .

The arguement based on terms like Madras High Court,IIT Madras a trivial.Madras High Court was named after the then MADRAS STATE and not Chennaipattinam/Madrasapattinam.Similarly Bombay High Court was named after Bombay state.Juridiction of an hich court is over a state and not a city.Now there is no Bombay or Madras State.If you still have doubts regarding naming of High Courts over the names of the states then see Karnataka,Kerala,Gujarat Highcourts.Here is the [List of High Courts of India]. (182.19.20.14 (talk) 20:18, 6 July 2013 (UTC)arun1paladin)

Folks,I don't think the cinema section is about tamil cinema as a whole. We should write about only the scenario in Chennai. I feel the content about superstar, Sivaji and others should be removed, though a mention about them is welcome. What say? --Challengethelimits (talk) 11:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay, please elaborate if it should be kept or removed? any way I think the section speaks more about personalities rather than cinema and theater, if personalities are to be mention we should specify how they had contributed to Tamil cinema. Any way the Tamil cinema and theater are the most early one in India and are trend setters, I hope we need to mention some history and Market value. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, my name is Stephen, I was reading the article because Chennai has bid to host the World Chess Championship match in November 2013 and I wanted to find out a bit more about the city. I noticed the following in the Economy section.

"In the late 18th century it became the only city in Asia to manufacture car engines and ancillary parts for Ships and Battle Tanks."

I guess that the late 18th century was a little early for these manufacturing activities.

Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.59.47.6 (talk) 17:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I came to the article for the same reason and got stumped by this line. Why car engines for ships? I am removing the line - please reinstate (after corrections) if needed. ashwatha (talk) 09:12, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Anna Centenary Library one of the largest library in Asia^[1][2]. Google states the obvious. Srinivasan 18:30, 12 December 2013 (UTC) obliviously Chennai is the place which is not to be missed by anyone. Chennai is the Manchester of India hosts many languages with it & consists of beautiful scenarios. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.220.161 (talk) 11:28, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

As per Wikipedia:INDICSCRIPTS, native scripts should not be added. discuss Shrikanthv (talk) 08:05, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I understand that many experts are handling this page. I have a sincere request - can anyone put a correct picture of Chennai Skyline on this page? I see there are some tall buildings that are already there and some are being constructed. This is the reason why this request. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.34.195.69 (talk) 22:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Chennai central has been repainted montage picture has to be updated with recent pictures. Also picture of MAC stadium is outdated without new stands. Also skyline picture here.

Srinivasan 18:40, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Taken June 2014, from St Thomas mount

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CHENNAI HAS BEEN NAMED AS THE 9th BEST COSMOPOLITAN CITY IN THE WORLD..PLEASE ADD IT... SOURCE : http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-in-school/chennai-named-9th-best-cosmopolitan-city-in-the-world/article6528783.ece Fuhrerraj (talk) 06:39, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Where in the article should this go? Stickee (talk) 01:24, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

The Education section was poorly written so I expanded the higher education section (only factual information) on the pattern of a featured city (Kolkata) article but the changes were reverted. Please, make required changes in the following section and republish it. Thank You! Hansaedu (talk) 22:47, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

File:IITM Library.JPG

As of 2015, the Chennai Metropolitan Area is home to six Institute of National Importance, ten public universities and fifteen deemed universities. The Indian Institute of Technology Madras (IIT-M) and the Anna University are the finest centres for engineering education in the country. The University of Madras, founded in 1857, is the one of first modern university in South Asia. Colleges for science, arts and commerce degrees are typically affiliated with the University of Madras. Notable among them are the Loyola College, Presidency College, Madras Christian College, Women's Christian College and Stella Maris College. Some prestigious institutes for medical education include the Madras Medical College and the Stanley Medical College. Among the private deemed universities Sri Ramachandra University and SRM University are well known academic institutions in Chennai.

The centrally funded institutions are Indian Institute of Information Technology Design & Manufacturing Kancheepuram (IIIT-DM), National Institute of Fashion Technology (NIFT), National Institute of Technical Teachers Training and Research (NITTTR), National Institute of Siddha and the Madras Institute of Development Studies (MIDS). The Academy of Scientific and Innovative Research (AcSIR), Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Indian Maritime University, Central Institute of Plastics Engineering and Technology (CIPET) and the Officers Training Academy are also headquartered in Chennai.

Chennai houses many premier research institutes like Indira Gandhi Centre for Atomic Research (IGCAR), Institute of Mathematical Sciences (IMSc), Central Leather Research Institute (CLRI), Structural Engineering Research Centre (SERC), National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT), Central Institute of Brackish Water Aquaculture (CIBA), Centre for Wind Energy Technology (C-WET), Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE), Chennai Mathematical Institute (CMI), Madras School of Economics (MSE) and the MS Swaminathan Research Foundation. The National Institute for Research in Tuberculosis (NIRT) and National Institute of Epidemiology (NIE) are the two prestigious medical research institutes in Chennai. The campuses of the Central Electronics Engineering Research Institute (CEERI), Central Electro Chemical Research Institute (CECRI), National Environmental Engineering Research Institute (NEERI) and Indian Statistical Institute (ISI) are also located in Chennai.

• I suggest you start by explaining why you removed the properly sourced part about English being the language of higher education in Chennai (as in most other parts of India), which is one of the reasons I reverted you. Another reason is that you added unsourced puffery to the article, such as changing "well known centres for engineering education" to "the finest centres for engineering education in the country". Thomas.W ^talk 22:58, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

• I have seen that you have made changes again to the article. Explain why you chose to replace the existing image. Also, listing of all the institutes clutters the section. I suggest that you add the information to the article on Education in Chennai. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

• Ok, I will add information in Education in Chennai article. [See the current Edit: Removed IHM (not at all notable); University has six campuses; IGCAR, IMSc and ICMR institutes are worth mentioning.] I request you to just consider replacing the Senate House image. Thank you! Hansaedu (talk) 18:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I have some concerns with two of the images in the montage:

1. Bharatanatyam performance is at India International Centre, not in Chennai
2. Beach picture is really not representative of anything but sand and has no real meaning in the montage

I'd like to replace the two with something relevant, any suggestions welcome. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:29, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

The edit here says as Do not place a non-free image here in previous version. Is the seal pic acceptable or any copyright issue?--Vin09 (talk) 17:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I suggest also posting th question and answer to Talk:Chennai where it can be archived, making it easier for future reference. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

No non-free images should be used in the sister city context. A "fair use" claim allows for use of such an image only when used to illustrate an article about the topic. Chennai is not that topic so it needs to go - I'll leave one of you to take care of that.  Philg88 ^♦talk 17:54, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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I propose that NE Monsoon in Chennai be merged into the climate section of the article on Chennai. The NE Monsoon in Chennai article is only two paragraphs long, and I think it would be easier to find in the Chennai article. Thomas Levine (talk) 17:38, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 01:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Alright I will be picking up the review of this one - both for the Wiki Cup and the GA cup as well. I am a bit hessitant due to the size but considering how long it has been sitting around it deserves to get reviewed, so why not. I normally plug in my review comments over a day or so, this one probably more than that. And I will be checking on the FA review that got it demoted too, to see if any of the mentioned issues would stand in the way of GA if they remain unresolved.

Side note, I would love some input on a Featured List candidate (Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship) and a Featured Article candidate (CMLL World Heavyweight Championship). I am not asking for Quid pro Quo, but all help is appreciated.  MPJ-US  01:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

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• Again I will check to see if I can determine who copied who

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• Overlap in phrases detected against url - thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/plenty-of-houses-few-affordable/article4065091.ece - this should be addressed in the wikipedia article.

• "Of the existing housing stock in Chennai, about 2,00,000 houses are not in good condition. Either new houses are needed or there should be assistance to rebuild. About 26,000 households live in houses without any room and another 4,27,000 families — with an average size of five members — live in small dwelling units with only one room."

• More overlap - http://thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/chennai-consumes-20-of-the-power-of-the-state/article5934753.ece

• "the peak power consumption is for four months between May and August, with the city consuming the highest during June."

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• "emerged in the top 25 real estate destinations list in the Asia Pacific region."

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• The following references should have the Accessdate added

• 15
• 17
• 23
• 26
• 29
• 180
• 205
• 256
• 285
• 323
• 350
• 331
• 389

• Sources mixes date formats, some are 28 December 2012, while others are 2015-12-11. They should all be consistent.

• Source 62, can we please remove the "see more" url?

infobox

• the "city of life" nickname is only mentioned here and not sourced
• "Detroit of Asia", elsewhere listed as "of India" or "of South Asia", only "of India" is sourced
• Reference 1 does not actually state the "official" language?
• No citations for the government type, body, Deputy, commission
• Reference 5 does not seem to cover anything in the Population section
• The rest is unsourced too.

Lead

• Missing space "world.Chennai"
• "foreign tourists, and" does not need the comma
• "Chennai confronts substantial pollution", not sure a city can "confront", I would suggest "experiencs"

Etymology

• The sentence starting with "The first official use of the name Chennai" should be moved to be after the second theory of the origin of the city name.
• No mention of Chennapatnam being used as a name for the general area? it's in reference 22
• Source does not support the name being on a sales deed in 1639
• Madraspatnam predated the British, but the source does not support the claim that "Madras" did too.
• If the temple was constructed in 1646, according to it's article, and the name Chennai was first seen in 1639 then that theory does not actually add up mathematically?
• Reference 28, states that the British were granted land, did not mention a city. The source also does not state that its uncertain if it was used prior.
• The article in 30 lists the word "madhu-ras", not "madhuras" and offers the translation of "honey", not the other two suggestions in the article.
• No sources for the last sentence?
• "different theories for", replace "for" with "of"
• ", to Francis Day" the word "to" does not makr sense when tying back to "sale deed"
• "with the temple regarded", should be "with the temple being regarded"
• "fishing-village" is not hyphenated
• "Vijayanagar-era" should gave a link
• "changed", no need to link this, we all know what "changed" means.

• Note This section seems to be a mish-mash of facts, interpretations, and sources that do not seem to support what's stated. I had to check a lot of sources to ensure they matched the content they were supposed to cite. With so many dead links it's really hard to check all this out. First impression of the netutrality of the aricle is not good.

History

• I won't really comment on this section until it has been appropriately reduced.

Geography

• Reference 63 is for "Detroit of India", not the claim of "gateway to South India"
• Reference 67 is not specific for anything just mentioned, neither the existence of rivers nor pollution.
• Title for reference 68 does not match the article title.
• Reference 68 talks about the beautification and yes issues of dumping and sewage, but does not decribe it as "heavily polluted" 
• Title for reference 69 does not match the article title.
• The remaining part of the paragraph only sources pollution, not the lakes etc.
• Not sure what reference 73 is supposed to cover in the preceding sentences?
• Too much information, since there is a Main article listing all the various areas is not necessary here.
• The statement "considerably improved" seems to ignore reference 74 stating "marginally improved"
• "banks and coasts, and" does not need the comma

Geology

• Is there a link for "geotectonic"?
• Reference 77 states that Chennai is in zone 2, not 3. Which one is it? 
• Reference 77 does not seem to cover anything state in the article?

Flora and fauna

• Does source 79 cover everything in the preceding text? Since I don't have a log in I have to ask, but the title of the reference does not seem to indicate so.
• No source for the Madras Naturalists' Society claims
• No source for Guindy National Park
• Reference 83 does not support the claim that they were the first 

Climate

• Reference 90 is useless since it does not indicate where Chennai is nor clearly label the "thermal equator"
• No translation for " Kathiri Veyyil"?
• Reference 92 seems to be unrelated to the sentence it is used on?
• PDF in reference 93 needs to indicate which page considering there are 84 pages
• No sources for "The city gets most of its seasonal rainfall from the north–east monsoon winds, from mid–October to mid–December. Cyclones in the Bay of Bengal sometimes hit the city." nor any details beyond "sometimes"?
• Reference 97 seems to only cover parts of the claims made.

Administration

• I won't really comment on this section until it has been appropriately reduced.

Law and order

• As above

Politics

• As above

Utility services

• As above

Architecture

• I won't really comment on this section until it has been appropriately reduced

Demographics

• the 7,088,000 numbers need a date to put in historical perspective.
• Lakh should be linked first time it's used as it's not a commonly used unit, or even better avoid it all together
• Again PDF sources need to indicate what page it's using.
• No reference for Marwais, Telugus, Gujaratis and Malayalees?
• Reference 196 is not specific enough, I had to click through to get more info

Housing

• How can you live in a house without any room?
• "About 26,000 households live in houses without any room and another 427,000 families (with an average size of five members) live in small dwelling units with only one room." is basically taken from the artice, replacing "-" with "("
• Source for the "65 shelters" claim?

Museums and art galleries

• The terms "important" and "noteworthy" are not stated in the sources, making them an OR claim.

Music and performing arts

• Reference 206 does not support the claims of "major center" of art and culture.
• No reference for being known for it's classical dance shows
• Reference 213 does not seem to support the claim of "importance"

Cityscape

• I see no indications in reference 217 that the division of North/South etc. is anthing more than a direction indicator, not regions as such. 
• Claims of expansion along Old Mahabalipuram Road is not supported in 217, just that it was reclassified. Which is not the same.
• Is "Central Madras" a specific region or should it be "central Chennai"?
• Source 218, the map does not source anything since it does not indicate residential elements, tourist visits or financial district.

Tourism and hospitality

• Need source for the nationality of the tourists.

Entertainment

• Should this list the article "Tamil cinema as the main article?
• Reference 229 states that english language plays are "gaining a foothold", which is not the same as a general statement on "being popular"

Recreation

• "Zoo, beaches, and wildlife parks form the primary recreation areas of the city.", could be left out completly.
• A large degree of the facts mentioned for the Madras Crocodile Bank Trust is not covered by reference 232.
• The word "Arignar" does not even appear in reference 233
• "The city boasts two", replace "boasts" with "has"
• No source for those beach being popular?
• Birding claim unsourced?
• " located in the downtown." should end with "downtown area"
• MGM Dizzee World? 
• Source for the golf course being famous?

Shopping

• First reference says 1 mall, 2nd reference is dead, 3rd reference says they're planning on building malls. Yet the article states there are several malls.?? that does not add up.
• Source for Phoenix Mall says it's 2 days old, hard to claim it being major after 2 days. The rest have no sources to even confirm existence.

Economy

• I won't really comment on this section until it has been appropriately reduced.

Communication

• MTS, Relaince CDMA, Tata Docomo CDMA" needs an "and" before Tata Docomo CDMA

Power

• Listing all power plants pushes this into the yellow pages territory, is that really necessary to understand this section?
• Stating that availability has become a concern, then eradicated just reads weird. The section was obviously written at 2-3 different points in time and never updated in general, just had sentences added. SHould be reworded.

Banking

• Reference 305 does not seem to support most of the claims made.
• No reference for the 1770 or 1786 claims?
• "the Madras Bank, then known as the 'Government Bank', started functioning again from 1806.", yet the article never stated that it stopped functioning?
• the erstwhile Bharat Overseas Bank" remove the word "erstwhile"
• Not sure why the first Sri Lankan bank deserves special mention? Could be removed and the article would be no worse off.

Health care

• Is there a source for the use of the term "world-class"?
• Considering this is a summary I believe the list of hospitals is unnecessary, again it is not the yellow pages and the main article should cover that.
• "Chennai attracts about 45 percent of health tourists from abroad", out of what? all heath tourists everywhere? in India? please specify.
• so 12,500 beds - 5,000 in one kind, 6,000 in another... and the remaining 1,500??
• "This works to 2.1 beds" should be "This works out to be 2.1 beds"
• No citation of the claim that this is higher than any other indian city.

Waste management

• Should mention the issues outlined in reference 322, that moving the dumpsites do not solve the problems, just move them elsewhere. This is one of the issues that would go against "neutral" as the article generally seems devoid of anything negative and in this case it selects to pick only something from the article that is neutral.

Transport

• I won't really comment on this section until it has been appropriately reduced.

Air

• Same

Rail

• Same

Road

• Same

Sea

Media

• Again with a main article listing out all the newspapers here is too much, it reads like the yellow pages or a company directory.
• Same with TV channels, that is the point of a main article and a summary - a summary is not just a list of channels though.

Education

• "Chennai has a mix of public and private (some of which also receive financial support from the government) schools." should be "Chennai has a mix of public and private schools, some of which also receive financial support from the government."
• No source for the Montessori system
• No sources for the college section?
• No source for the CSIR claim
• "Thirty-fifth edition of the fair was held in 2012." should start with "The"

Sports and recreation

• I won't really comment on this section until it has been appropriately reduced.

City based teams

• Same

Foreign missions

• No need to list the location of the FRRO here in a summary section.

• All book sources need page indicators
• All PDF based sources need page indicators
• All book sources need the location indicated

• 1 - Date needed
• 4 - Needs more info added to the citation
• 5 - Date needed
• 10 - Seems to not go to a specif census?
• Is A.T. Kearny a Reliable Source?
• Spottedbylocals.com an RS?
• 17 - Date needed
• 18 - Date needed
• livemint (#20), an RS?
• Hubert-herald.com an RS?
• Some newspaper sources have a location listed, others do not, please provide locations for all printed sources
• theconstructor.org, an RS?
• listofszoos.com, an RS?
• classzone.com, an RS?
• 97 - has an url, no title listed
• chennaimagic.com, an RS?
• madrasmusings.com, an RS?
  • onamfestival.org, an RS?
• go-nxg.com, an RS?
• samaylive.com, an RS?
• blog.euromonitor.com, an RS?
• magcbricks.com, an RS?
• lboro.ac.uk, an RS?
• rediff.com, an RS?
• 99acres.com, an RS?
• truthdive.com, an RS?
• aai.aero, an RS?

• History section - the "History of Chennai" should be listed as the "main" article and this section can then be reduced to a higher level overview.
• The Administration section links to 'Administration of Chennai", since that article exists means this section should not be THIS detailed, that's the point of the main article.
• Economy, has a "main" article listed, there is way too much detail in this section when there is a seperate article. Too much repetition between section and article.
• Transport, has a "main" article listed - once again I would say there is too much detail in this section, overlap with the seperate article.
• Sports, has a "main" article listed - once again I would say there is too much detail in this section, overlap with the seperate article.

• File: Surrender of The City of Madras 1746.jpg needs a "U.S. Public Domain" tag
• File: MadrasAutomobilesLtd1914.JPG has some copyright issues called out on the page that should be addressed
• Very few images have "alt" texts

• Sources should not be in the lead but where the information is presented in the body of the text, considering there are 14 sources in the lead that is quite excessive. I have not checked yet but sources in the leads me to suspect that the cited facts are not in the body of the text. 
• "Detroit of South Asia" is later listed as "Detroit of India" and the source supports that phrase too.
• Fourth-largest city and fourth-most populous is not in the body of the article.
• 36th-largest urban area, not in body?
• "to 82,790, in 2011" not in the body?
• Neither "Lonely Planet" claims are in the body??
• Global CIties Index, not in the body
• "Best City" in india, not in the body
• "Hottest city", not in the body
• 2nd best food city, not in the body
• Third-highest GDP, not in the body.
• So the article is HUGE, but there are so many things in the lead that's ONLY in the lead - the purpose of the lead is to summarize the article, not introduce new facts. The lead needs to be totally reworked and the cited facts need to be worked into the main part of the article.

• @QatarStarsLeague: - I am not even half way through looking at the article in detail and I have scores of issues already listed, primarily sources not covering statements made, unsourced statements or what looks like original research as it states facts not in the sources. I am not sure what shape this article was in when it was originally made a Feature Article, but right now I have to say that it needs a LOT of work to become a Good Article. I will continue my review and provide feedback for everything to complete it, just wanted to share my initial assessement of the current state of the article.  MPJ-US  15:03, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
• Additional general comment - The large number of dead sources is a concern, especially coupled with the fact that I have found a lot of instances where the claim and the reference does not line up. It is making it hard to verify large parts of the article.  MPJ-US  15:49, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

At this point in time I have found so many issues that need to be addressed that I am going to put the article on hold to allow for updates to be made. Please let me know if/when you want me to review changes, updates etc.  MPJ-US  17:08, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

• @QatarStarsLeague: - it's been around six days since I put it on hold and I have seen no effort to improve it. If I do not see any improvements by tomorrow I will be forced to fail this. If you start on it and need more time to address the issues I am fine with keeping it open longer.  MPJ-US  00:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

• I am not seeing much activty on mt review points, nor has anyone indicated they are picking this up. Too much work left, failing.  MPJ-US  22:31, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

I initially proposed that there not be a native language category on this page due to the fact that there are already an official language section and spoken languages section within the article's infobox.

Additionally, it is incorrect to say that Tamil is the native language of the city due to the fact that the city was primarily shared between both Telugus and Tamilians during the time of the Madras Presidency and the existence of Madras State, prior to its bifurcation into Andhra State, or present-day Andhra Pradesh, and the residuary Madras State, or present-day Tamil Nadu.

I also have an article to cite from The Hindu with regards to the fight for Madras between Telugus and Tamilians during the split of Madras State on a linguistic basis.^[1] The article clearly shows the amount of controversy involved in reference to which state the city should be allotted to.

It is also essentially imperative to note that there is a difference between "Languages Spoken," which refers to current demographics, and "Native Language," which refers to history. Due to Madras being given to Madras State rather than Andhra State, millions of Telugus migrated out of the city to areas within Andhra State such as Tirupati and Kurnool, which explains the current condition of demographic information relating to the city's population.

Thus, I propose that there either be no native language bar in the infobox as not present in the infoboxes of other cities such as Hyderabad, Bangalore, and Delhi, or that both Tamil and Telugu be respectively listed as Madras's native languages. Dav subrajathan.357 (talk) 04:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with the fact that Native Language refers to the historical record of the city's foundation and not current demographic statistics. As per history, both Tamil and Telugu have been native to the city. Tiger0815 (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

It is absolutely true that Chennai/Madras was once ruled by both Telugus and Tamils. Its formation day starts with era when a telugu ruler Damerla Chennapa nayakudu granted permission to britishers to establish port. After his name city got renamed as Chennai. So native language cannot be TamilLovSLif (talk) 06:13, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The native language of the city has always been only been Tamil. Even before the separation of Andhra, around 70% of the population spoke Tamil as the their mother tongue (refer to the same The Hindu source you are talking about). This has been the census record figures from 1900 onwards! So how can another language spoken by barely 12 percent of the population be native to the city? Something does not become controversial just because certain people decide to create a controversy out of it. It is absolutely nonsense to say that it was 'ruled' by both Tamils and Telugus. It has always been a Tamil speaking region that was ruled by the British. Once they left in 1947, within 5 years, the states were formed on linguistic basis and consequently Chennai came to be part of TN and continued to be ruled only by Tamils. Do not try to twist facts based on your convenience and create issues out of non-issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.133.229.20 (talk) 11:06, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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Indian Institute of Information Technology Design and Manufacturing(IIITDM),chennai,offers academic and research programs that integrate engineering design, manufacturing and management with information technology. 14.139.187.110 (talk) 14:07, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

 Not done - unlike:-

• Indian Institute of Information Technology, Design & Manufacturing Kancheepuram
• Indian Institute of Information Technology Design and Manufacturing, Kurnool or
• Indian Institute of Information Technology, Design and Manufacturing, Jabalpur
  

The Indian Institute of Information Technology Design and Manufacturing, Chennai does not have a Wikipedia article, so should not be included - Arjayay (talk) 14:58, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

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Please add a link to Chennai (disambiguation) -- 65.94.168.229 (talk) 03:42, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done - although it looks slightly awkward with the Madras hatnote as well - Arjayay (talk) 09:55, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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117.213.117.33 (talk) 03:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

      Show the rute to thiruvoyyiyur from velacherry by road

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 05:09, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian Economy#City economy size and rank claims - a consensual approach which could affect this article. Please add all comments on that talk page regarding economy size and rank claims. Thanks, Batternut (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

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Population rank as of 2011 census should be 6th (not 4th). Both Metropolis population, rank show wrong. Internal Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_India_by_population Sai.kiran97 (talk) 07:22, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 07:35, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hi, I would like to bring to your notice that the pronunciation of the word "Chennai" in the audio file is incorrect. There is no stress on the double 'n' in the word CheNNai , it sounds more like "Shenaai". I know this for a fact because I have lived and have been raised and educated in Chennai for 20 years. I have also uploaded a file containing the proper pronunciation of Chennai on Wiktionary. The details of the file are as follows:

Kindly consider this edit for the Wikipedia page of Chennai, as I am a registered user, but have not made the required 10 edits to be able to make changes to a semi-protected page. Eshshiv (talk) 11:53, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

• Done, thanks for pointing it out and providing a fix!I don't know why I didn't check this in all these years. —SpacemanSpiff 12:01, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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