Talk:Battle of Aleppo (2012–2016)

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In cleaning up old GAs I found that some comments by an IP had been made on what was supposed to be a GA review page. The comments were overwritten by the GA review. I am posting the comments here to preserve them; they're old so are probably out of date anyway, but it seems wrong to overwrite and ignore them. I know nothing about this conflict so am not expressing an opinion about the validity of the IP's comments. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:01, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Im truly and absolutely ignorant about the internal procedures of Wikipedia, but bear with me, whoever, if any, editor read this:

What's up with the opening paragraph of the article? All the citations reference " West " sources. NYT, CNN, etc. And on fairly controversial claims. Cant hardly believe there's no credible sources from Syria POV ?

I try myself to keep an open mind on this topic, reading all the media available. But a total lack of Syrian or Russian POV or at least citations on the " war crimes " topic seems like a serious oversight.

Just read this with a neutral eye :

" Various claims of war crimes emerged during the battle, including the use of chemical weapons by Syrian government forces[103] as well as barrel bombs by the Syrian Air Force,[104][105][106][107] the dropping of cluster munitions on populated areas by Russian and Syrian forces,[108][109] the carrying out of "double tap" airstrikes to target rescue workers responding to previous strikes,[110] and the use of highly inaccurate improvised artillery by rebel forces.[111] During the 2016 Syrian government offensive, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights warned that "crimes of historic proportions" were being committed in Aleppo.[112]"

Where are the proofs of these claims? Not on the citations, thats sure. What about Siryan or Russian arguments? Not a SINGLE citation?

I came here to try and find an unbiased, unified brief of the conflict, but after those first lines, its obvious WHO is writing this article.

Seems like the battle was between some US coalition and " SOMEONE ".

Truly dissapointed.

Thanks for reading.

Edit : CITATIONS :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93United_States_relations#Since_2008

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Syria#Reactions

How come the most important battle of the war have no reference about these claims? CIA involvement? Legality of coalition presence? Shouldnt the first paragraph speak about the origins or causes of the conflict instead of jumping directly to "claims" of war crimes? And from the mouth of the only side who ILLEGALY participated? ( And arguably provoked it? ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.175.235.183 (talk) 03:16, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]