Talk:'En Esur

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According to Hadashot Arkheologiyot – Excavations and Surveys in Israel Volume 126 Year 2014 excavation began at the En Esur site in 2006 (The site of ‘En Esur was previously excavated in eight areas over the course of three seasons (Yannai 2006; Fig. 1:A–H)), but it seems, confirmed by HA-ESI Volume 131 Year 2019, that excavations could have begun as early as 2003. —comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 16:04, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting and great catch — I'll try to add some text to accommodate what you've found — waddie96 let me know what you think? -Darouet (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Waddie96: how is this [1] ? Darouet (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Darouet: Thank you! —comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 18:41, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Readers are left wanting after reading this, as I was. I'm Caker18 ! I edit Wikipedia sparingly. (talk) 17:31, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, dropped to C class. —comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 07:54, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a silly thing to edit war about, because the ratings really don't matter all that much – but I have done several thousand of these over the years, particularly on archaeology topics.

What "obvious omissions or inaccuracies" do you feel there are in this article? I would be happy to add material to cover them. – Joe (talk) 08:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I didn't see that the class has been changed before. I suggest leaving the article without a class until consensus is reached as to what the class should be. —comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 08:48, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Inviting WikiProjects Ancient Near East, Archaeology, Israel)

Here is a list of better sources, which yet to cover the current major excavation but shed light on the history of the site:

• Yitzhak Paz, Itai Elad and Dina Shalom (2018). "En 'Esur (Asawir), Area M". Hadashot Arkheologiyot: Excavations and Surveys in Israel. 130. Israel Antiquities Authority. via JSTOR.
• Yitzhak Paz and Itai Elad (2018). "'En Esur (Asawir): Preliminary Report". Hadashot Arkheologiyot: Excavations and Surveys in Israel. 130. Israel Antiquities Authority. via JSTOR.
• Eli Yanay (2016). "שדרידים מתרבות ואדי רבה, מתקופת הברונזה הקדומה ומתקופת הברונזה הביניימית בשטח J בעין אסור (עין אסאוויר)". 'Atiqot. 85. Israel Antiquities Authority: 23–43. via JSTOR.
• Shay Bar (2016). "Tel Esur 2010–2012: Preliminary Report". Hadashot Arkheologiyot: Excavations and Surveys in Israel. 128. Israel Antiquities Authority. via JSTOR.
• Eli Yanay and Yossi Nagar (2016). "שרידים מתרבות ואדי רבה ומתקופת הברונזה הקדומה בשטח I בעין אסור (עין אסאוויר)". 'Atiqot (in Hebrew). 85. Israel Antiquities Authority. via JSTOR.
• Eliran Oren and Alla Yaroshevich (2013). "Tel Esur, Survey Along Highway 65". Hadashot Arkheologiyot: Excavations and Surveys in Israel. 125. Israel Antiquities Authority. via JSTOR.
• ‘Abed a-Salam Sa‘id (2011). "Tel Esur". Hadashot Arkheologiyot: Excavations and Surveys in Israel. 123. Israel Antiquities Authority.
• Amir Golani (2010). "The Beads from Tomb 80 in the 'En Esur Cemetery". Atiqot. 64 (Surveys and Excavations along the Cross-Israel Highway). Israel Antiquities Authority. via JSTOR.
• Amir Gorzalczany and Jacob Sharvit (2010). "An Early Bronze Age Tomb of the 'Common People'(?) in the 'En Esur ('Ein Asawir) Cemetery". Atiqot. 64 (Surveys and Excavations along the Cross-Israel Highway). Israel Antiquities Authority: 85–112. via JSTOR.
• Eli Yannai and Eliot Braun (2001). "Anatolian and Egyptian Imports from Late EB I at Ain Assawir, Israel". Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research. 321. The University of Chicago Press on behalf of The American Schools of Oriental Research: 41–56. via JSTOR.
• Eli Yannai (2001). "'En Esur ('Ein Asawir)". Hadashot Arkheologiyot: Excavations and Surveys in Israel. 113. Israel Antiquities Authority. via JSTOR.
• Eli Yannai (1996). "A Tomb of the Early Bronze Age I and Intermediate Bronze Age Near Tel Esur (Assawir)". 'Atiqot. 30. Israel Antiquities Authority. via JSTOR.
• Eli Yanay (1995). "Tel Esur". Hadashot Arkheologiyot (in Hebrew). Israel Antiquities Authority: 67-69. via JSTOR.
• "Tel Esur (Asawir)". Hadashot Arkheologiyot: 14-15. 1978.

I've created a draft map of the site:

Sadly I have no access to a proper computer with Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop, so I can't create a decent map. Is there anyone who can transform this draft into a better-looking map?--Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:03, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bolter21: I can take a stab at it. What's the source? – Joe (talk) 16:16, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Several. I used satellite data from GovMap, a map made by the Israel Antiquities Authority which appears here and this map.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 16:29, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I've added one to the article. – Joe (talk) 18:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I must say it is beautiful. I would suggest changing the color of the springs to something like green.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 18:31, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hebrew Wiki has an [article on it], but I can't make out its exact location in relation to the tell. It's small and the Google Maps red dot stands about halfway between the tell and the Boder Police memorial, a bit over 200 m east of the red dot for the tell. Arminden (talk) 20:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have the patience to sort out, from the archaeological press, not the general-interest articles, what was strictly or mainly Early Bronze and what remained in use until later (city, temple, necropolis)? See "[b]urial caves dating from the fourth to the second millennium BCE". M2 BCE is far, far too vague, and includes Middle and Late Bronze plus even Iron Age I. Not good enough. Once clarified, the headings can be adapted. This refers to the 1953 digs and results, maybe dating has progressed since. Arminden (talk) 00:56, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have the time but I can say that most of the information right now relates to Tel Assawir and not to the EB settlement, which was only recently excavated.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 06:56, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now the Bronze Age settlement is structured ("City" with "Structure and character" and "Temple" as subsets, separately from "Necropolis"), so I guess that isn't the problem. Arminden (talk) 18:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see discussion here. Arminden (talk) 09:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]