Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prussian Blue (duo) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep per bad-faith nomination. Barrier, mate (talk · contribs) has been flooding the AfD with various degrading comments, and masking as other editors.. seicer | talk | contribs 02:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable, unimportant. No one cares about it, espeiclaly not by now.Barrier, mate (talk) 21:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I would say being featured on ABC's Primetime and on VH1 constitutes notability. Sources are also present. --On the other side ^Contribs|@ 01:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You misspelled sources! I don't like that. Just keep inmind; I'm only a grammar nazi, not a skinheads nazi, and I'd like to see this deleted. And the articles about Prussian Blue's albums and singles are even more non-notable. Barrier, mate (talk) 01:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was featured on ABC a long time ago. Even if they were notable at one point, that was not now. Prussian Blue were totally ephemeral and by now they're 15 minutes seem to be over. Barrier, mate (talk) 01:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not temporary. This article undoubtedly meets the WP:MUSIC criteria. May I ask why you would like to see it deleted? --On the other side ^Contribs|@ 01:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per On the other side. --Oldak Quill 01:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Barrier, mate (talk) 01:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "per nom" means "for the reasons stated by the nominator". It is generally presumed you agree with your own arguments for deletion in the nomination statement (unless that statement spelled out explicitly that you're taking a neutral position), so there's no need to put a "Delete" down in the middle of the debate. cab (talk) 02:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• comment there are plenty of other racist groups and individuals more notable than PB who don't have pages here. For example, websites like Metapedia or Vanguard News Network. Barrier, mate (talk) 02:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • See WP:OTHERCRAPDOESNTEXIST. Whether or not other topics have pages has nothing to do with whether this topic meets the inclusion criteria: notability, verifiability, reliable, intellectually independent sources. cab (talk) 02:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Well sourced article on notable topic. No reason to delete just because they are in poor taste. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 02:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • How does being a racist bitch, a bad singer, or someone who is mostly out of the news by now, make you notable? Barrier, mate (talk) 02:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Read WP:NOTE and also WP:POINT you are starting to cross the line. I wont defend the actions of the subjects of the article, but it doesn't matter whether we like what they do or not. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 02:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Musically they may be towards the edges of notability but sociologically they have been widely noted, as is supported by the sources cited in the article. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and rewrite, notable, helpful to our Cause etc. but the article's tone is non-neutral and not good for our Cause. If they were black pride singers, it would be fine. I think these girls are great in standing up for their race, and they don't hate other races; just love their own. But I don't know why anyone would want they're article deleted. Trialeagh (talk) 02:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even if I were a racist idiot like you, I would'nt see how this helpful, since they can't sing at all. Barrier, mate (talk) 02:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• comment Even if this is kept now, it will probably be deleted in a year when no one will rember they ever existed. Barrier, mate (talk) 02:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Like I said above, notability is not temporary. --On the other side ^Contribs|@ 02:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment WP:SNOW? Gwen Gale (talk) 02:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep This easily meets WP:BIO and was discussed/settled before at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prussian Blue (American duo). Let's toast this discussion before anybody else makes a single-purpose account to debate it. --Rob (talk) 02:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Curps —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barrier, mate (talk • contribs) 02:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Signature possibly fradulent as Curps has not edited since July 2006. Nate • (chatter) 02:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Vote was faked by nom. I've put a note at WP:ANI. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Though I don't agree with their views at all (an understatement), a six-page article in Blender Magazine was printed about them in July 2006 which also adds to the notability and the sourcing of the article. No matter how offensive they might be to someone, they have established the notability for an article, and I assume you don't have the judging credentials of Simon Cowell to say their singing is bad. Obviously someone's buying their records. We might not like it, but the world isn't all blue skies and rainbows. Nate • (chatter) 02:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Easily passes the general notability guidelines based on the multiple references. As for the nobody will care in N years, historians will, and others researching the history of white separatism. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Prussian Blue are an ephemeral pop culture entity, they will not be given any attention by historians, ever. Neither will, say, Britney Spears. But Britney Spears is much more notable than these ------. Barrier, mate (talk) 02:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(personal attack edited) Nate • (chatter) 06:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Easily. Meets WP:MUSIC and WP:BIO, WP:RS and WP:V. I'm ignoring all of the accusations of racism above that does not belong in this discussion at all. Please be civil. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 02:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 02:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.