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Hey Earl, as our resident expert on Canadian elections, have you run into a source for older New Brunswick elections? I'm working on cleaning up the oldest unreferenced articles and all the NB elections from 1930 and earlier on on that list. I haven't been able to find a source online, do you know of a book or almanac that might have this info? - SimonP (talk) 14:34, 28 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

No, sorry. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

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Hello, Earl! Our Russian curling fans (from group "All about curling" in social net "VKontakte", vk.com) send you - and all "collegues" in Canada (players, coaches, fans) - their "Hi!" and (especially for you) "Thank you!" for great lot of interesting information about "chess on ice" in Eng-Wiki (from where I'm translating to Ru-Wiki; for example, today I created - it means "translated" mainly - articles about Pat Simmons and Kevin Koe). Our fans in VK-group - from Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Yekaterinburg (like me), Novosibirsk etc etc. big and small cities and villages around Russia. We all love curling, many of us watched STOH, will watching Brier starting today, waiting juniors WC's, men's and women's WC's. Good curling! Make "Hard!" not war! :)) -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 19:23, 5 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! I live in Ottawa, and I plan on attending a few games, including the draws tonight. :-) -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

:) Wow! Watching live Brier - it's cool! I watched at (our) deep night on TSN-1 Gushue vs McEwen - and I'll plan to watch at (our) morning NO vs SK (if I willn't asleep ;) ). We are on opposite sides of glob - but we all are same "crazy" :)) -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 00:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Glad to see you love the game as much as I do. I ended up being a few rows behind the NO vs. SK game. My father said he saw us on TV! :-) -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:34, 6 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Ho-ho! ))) So now when I'll watch Brier matches and see audience - I will cry (just in case): "Hi Earl! Haaaard!!" )))) -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 16:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Earl, I created yesterday a table in Ru "Tim hortons Brier" article - similar like "Top 3 finishers" (by province) in En-article, but by skips. Maybe it needed for En-article? Look at this section of Ru-article. This is 3 separated tables: left - skips who have at least one gold medal; center - who haven't gold but have at least one silver, right - who have only bronze. About 2-3 places in 1927-2008 (about lot of "ancient" Brier's there is no Wiki-articles in En or any wikis) - look at (if there is no Wiki-article) refs (below section). -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 16:48, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Very nice. I'm afraid the Brier article is getting quite cluttered. If something like this were to be created, we'd have to create a page on Brier statistics. As for ancient Briers, you might want to check out this page: http://soudogcurling.tripod.com/Brier/macdonaldbrier.html -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:51, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

OK, I am glad that it's useful. You right - separate "Brier statistics" page can be good solution (I thought about that for my Ru-article). My refs (below this section) links to Soudogcurling (good source!) - Brier "root" page (1st) and Brier Record Book (no needed for this case - but huge of "statistics"!). -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 17:12, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

How is "personal romanization" more important than correct transliteration? Moreover, how about this: [1]. She is not a philologist to understand how to transliterate corretly. So she may describe her name is Zhjdarkouvva or whatever.--Orel787 (talk) 19:18, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

She personally spells her name with a "J", and that is also how it is spelled on her World Curling Federation profile. It may not be the correct Romanization of her name, but we have to respect WP:COMMONNAME, especially if that is the name she uses herself. -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:19, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

My opinion about such cases is: she can spells how she wants - but Wikipedia reader, who don't know Russian, must have from en-Wiki article an information about "how I can correctly pronounce her surname?"... For En-spoken people usually Russian "Ж" (Жаркова) transliterates (as I know) "on paper" like "ZH"; and this is correct I mean for WP - because if first symbol in surname is "J" (like "Jackson" - "Джексон"), on Russian it writes like "Дж" (DZH) or (less often - and mainly for Scandinavian or North Europe people) like "Я" (YA - like in "young"). So (I imagine) what En-spoken man will try to speak when he seen surname "Jarkova"? "ZHa(h)rko(h)va(h)" (correct) or "YArko(h)va(h)" (wrong)? (with accent on "hard O" and with "hard AH" at the end). Excuse my "not the best" speech - I'm not a philologist too, I'm only Russian "from wild West of Siberia" :) My advice: put pronounciation (like in Kevin Koe) to article (for people, who want to know this info). -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 22:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi Earl! I have two "musical" questions about Canadian curling:

1. What means "Albeeeeertaaaa!!" from crowd (with laughing and other fun) on curling tournaments running in Canada? Is it from any well-known Canadian song? Or what?
2. "Main musical theme" on Canadian curling tournaments (we can listen it very often in any match - at the beginning, at the end and at pauses; strings, brasses, drums and so on) - it's "only instrumental" music (hasn't lyrics) or it's a song? If song - where I can read lyrics and/or listen it in internet?..

P.S. Congrats from Russian curl fans to Team Koe and all in Canada for superb win on WMCC 2016! Last shot by Kevin was incredible!! -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 22:39, 12 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

The "Albeeeeertaaaa" thing is more of a cheer than a song. You will hear people doing that for other provinces too. As for your second question, I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to. Any examples? -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

For me "Albeeeeertaaaa" sounds like "anti-cheering", addressed to opposite team (it means, like I think, something like "You are worse than our mighty guys, they'll beat you in any case"), sounds like citation from any all-known (in Canada or all North America) song (and all "ours" - when listen it - understand about what it and start sarcastically laughs to "enemies"). About "main musical theme" - it plays very often on every TV coverage of Canadian curling tournaments; for example look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYP8mdk0BY8 (this music starts at 1:00). By the way: I googled interesting article "Ten Great Songs About Curling" (http://www.chartattack.com/news/2010/02/12/10-songs-about-curling/) - and one of them, "Tournament of Hearts" by The Weakerthans, is really "great" for my "old rock" heart :) -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 23:13, 16 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Ahh, that is Curling on TSN's theme song that plays on any curling coverage on that network. As for the "anti-cheering", I can see why one would think that, as it does sound like heckling, but I am pretty sure it is not an actual heckle. Cheers. -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:38, 16 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, Earl, for explanation about "Curling on TSN theme song" - now I'll know and will answer to others who want to know :) By the way: I "constructed" short article about Czech woman curler Anna Kubešková (not existed in any Wikis); she plays now on WMDCC 2016. If you interested - look at Ru-wiki to ru:Кубешкова, Анна. -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

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Do you think that a listing on http://www.curlingzone.com constitutes wide publication, as required by WP:DOB? If so, you might want to post your reasons on Talk:Jennifer Gates. Did you read my talk page comments? I urge you to do so, if you didn't. I won't edit war over this, but I do urge a second thought. DES ^(talk) 00:19, 13 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

In the curling world, yes. To be on the safe side I added a reference to her profile on the World Curling Federation website. -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

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I was trying to be troublesome in deleting the redlinks on this page. Thank you for you other edits of it by the way. I merely removed them so as not to entice someone into wasting their timre in writing an article. See this discussion here about why municipal pols are not considered 'notable': Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waye Mason. Verne Equinox (talk) 23:35, 18 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi, that person is a city councillor, not a mayor. The red links on that page are to mayors of municipalities that I feel are large enough to warrant articles. From what I can tell on Wikipedia, the threshold on Wikipedia is ambiguous in this regard, but often mayors of places as large Charlottetown have articles. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:35, 19 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

I should re-read my posts a little better: It should have said I was NOT trying to be troublesome. Sorry about that. Meanwhile, though I disagree with you, I respect your reason, given the lack of clarity. Cheers. Verne Equinox (talk) 12:35, 20 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

No worries. I do admit, I am an inclusionist, so there you go. Cheers. -- Earl Andrew - talk 14:09, 20 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

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The rule for notability of mayors is that the population has to be much closer to 100K before they get an automatic presumption of notability just for existing as mayors. The mayor of a smaller city can get an article if they can be explicitly sourced over WP:GNG, but the mayor of a city with just 33K does not get an automatic presumption of notability or an entitlement to have his name presumptively redlinked in every single article it appears in. Bearcat (talk) 15:05, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi, could you point me in the direction towards this rule? -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:07, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

You need to familiarize yourself with the corpus of precedents actually reached in actual AFD discussions, because a rule doesn't have to be explicitly codified in a policy document to be a real rule. WP:POLOUTCOMES just states "mayors of cities of regional prominence", which is vague and leaves too much open to interpretation — so if you actually read real AFDs on mayors you'll see how it's defined in actual practice: a mayor must always pass WP:GNG to be kept. If that depth and quality of sourcing is not already present, then a "presumption of notability" (also known as "the benefit of the doubt") is granted if the city is a large one approaching or exceeding 100K in population, where GNG is likely to become passable because the city is prominent enough that coverage in quality sources can be reasonably expected — but they can then still be deleted if their sourceability ultimately proves weak enough. But for any city smaller than that, a mayor gets an article only if the sourcing already passes GNG right off the bat. If you really think Greg Dionne can pass NPOL, then by all means you can try to write an article about him that's substantive enough and sourced well enough to get him over GNG — but 35K is not large enough to grant him an automatic presumption of notability just for existing as a mayor. Bearcat (talk) 15:26, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I've read the rules, and am well aware of them. It sounds to me that we're in disagreement about where the threshold is for presumed notability based on available sources. Whereas you think 100K should be the cutoff, I think it should be much lower, as there are plenty of sources available for mayors of cities that are smaller than 100K.. If you can point to me where this 100K rule is actual precedent, and not just some personal rule-of-thumb you've adopted, I would be happy to comply. Otherwise, it's just your arbitrary cut-off vs. mine. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:33, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

I'm not making up my own arbitrary "personal" cutoff — I'm reporting the actual stone-cold truth of what actually happens when mayors of small cities are actually taken to AFD. Consensus is not defined solely by the literal letter of a policy document — policy documents are actually lagging indicators of the actual state of consensus — but by familiarity with actual practice in actual situations, and the actual practice is that cities of 35K (or even 70K) quite routinely have their mayors' articles deleted if they aren't sourced over GNG to more than just the local newspaper. Bearcat (talk) 15:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Your interpretation of precedent doesn't make it a rule, though; and certainly not one that you alone have the power to enforce. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:13, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

It's not my "interpretation" of precedent — AFD decides what the precedents are, not me. Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Are articles deleted based on population size or are they based on lack of sources? -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

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