The Elder Scrolls Wiki:Moot/Log April 2019

19:50: Rozty: well, i'm here, to anyone that shows up after this, i'll have to be afk for a bit but i will be here on time
19:52: Wendigohmer: alright see you soon
19:53: CarloV3r: \o
19:53: Wendigohmer: Hey hey
19:54: Rupuzioks: /o
19:55: TinyClayMan: Greetings
19:55: TheKorraFanatic: o/
19:57: CarloV3r: Heya
19:58: Wendigohmer: Mmmm is there any category for when a character interacts in a quest?
19:58: TinyClayMan: Nope
19:59: Wendigohmer: aye aye
19:59: TinyClayMan: Only a category for Quest Givers (Online: Quest Givers)
19:59: CarloV3r: Alright, I think this is everyone
20:00: TinyClayMan: Probably
20:00: CarloV3r: We've only got one topic, which was added by TinyClayMan
20:00: CarloV3r: So let's hear it :D
20:00: Wendigohmer: Yes, tkx TinyClayMan
20:00: Rozty: alright i'm back
20:00: Rozty: and just on time as well
20:00: TinyClayMan: A proposal for OnlineMountsNav and OnlinePetsNav navboxes to be split into several navboxes
20:01: TinyClayMan: Right now there are so many pets and mounts that those navboxes are really big
20:01: Rozty: ok first of all, how many mounts and pets are there
20:01: TinyClayMan: A lot
20:01: TinyClayMan: Template:OnlinePetsNav
20:01: Rozty: hold on, i think i need to take a look into on
20:01: Rozty: one*
20:01: TinyClayMan: And it doesn't have all of them
20:02: Rozty: alright, that's a big yikes
20:02: TinyClayMan: My idea is to split them into several navboxes based on their type
20:02: Rozty: when did we start doing it like this and why? it's weird that of all things in eso stuff like pets and mounts get navboxes
20:03: Rozty: that's still a pretty big navbox though isn't it?
20:03: CarloV3r: We've been using navboxes for quite some time
20:03: Rupuzioks: it is like characters begin adding in navboxes
20:04: CarloV3r: Well, the amount of mounts and pets in these templates are still manageable
20:04: CarloV3r: Is this everything?
20:04: TinyClayMan: Those navboxes can make sense (for example if your search for a specific Pet type, some daedrat, and need to see all types of it)
20:04: Rozty: in the first place, is a navbox for pets and mounts really necessary? there's tons of them and having them organised in navobxes seems a lot of trouble
20:05: TinyClayMan: If we split them based on the type of the creature (e.g. Bears, Guars, Big Cats) they can become usable
20:05: CarloV3r: It's already done, and it's generally a nice navigation tool
20:05: Rozty: i guess that's true
20:05: CarloV3r: Plus, it promotes other articles thus enlarging the chance users visit more articles
20:05: Rozty: but with eso as it is, the number will just keep getting bigger until it's again too much
20:06: TinyClayMan: A navbox that has only Guars (and there are around 12 of them) will help to navigate
20:06: TinyClayMan: Current navboxes don't help much - you get lost in them
20:06: Rozty: if we do split them up, what would be the types?
20:08: TinyClayMan: Daedra/Cats/Guars/Dwemer Spiders/Dogs
20:08: TinyClayMan: Insects, probably
20:08: Rozty: oh ok, that's managable
20:08: TinyClayMan: /maybe something more that I overlooked
20:09: Rozty: should there also be a nav template for the different types?
20:09: TinyClayMan: A navbox for navboxes would also be a good idea
20:09: CarloV3r: I'm generally not a big fan of splitting content up, just makes it less navigational, but in this case I tend to agree
20:09: CarloV3r: We've got navboxes with less content
20:10: Rozty: wait, hold on, what would the navbox for types be linking to if we do end up making one
20:10: TinyClayMan: Mounts navbox is already sorted into various types so it should be easy to split
20:11: The Rim of the Sky: You could always implement a dropdown feature
20:11: The Rim of the Sky: Do a "click to show" for every mount type
20:11: CarloV3r: Eh, dropdowns are prown to breaking and don't generlaly function well on mobile
20:11: CarloV3r: *generally
20:11: TinyClayMan: Either that or linking to the titular vanilla creature that has that navbox (or to a header on the Pets/Mounts page)
20:12: Rozty: a dropdown for the whole table?
20:13: Rozty: also, looking at the mounts nav it seems a lot better than the pets nav, would we be spreading it too thin if we split it up?
20:13: TinyClayMan: Keep in mind that it misses some of the mounts
20:13: TinyClayMan: *cough* https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mounts
20:14: Rozty: ah heck
20:14: Rozty: *ah heck*
20:14: Rozty: yeah, ok we need to do this for both
20:14: CarloV3r: Yeah their template is too much
20:15: Poisoned apples: sorry to interrupt, but can someone pls copy the start of the moot into pastebin, I missed it
20:16: Rozty: yeah, don't worry, i've been here from the start
20:16: Rupuzioks: I will try to copy the whole moot anyway
20:16: Rozty: ok, so we will split up the current navnboxes of pets and mounts in eso into different types
20:16: CarloV3r: Rupuzioks, thoughts on TinyClayMan's proposal?
20:17: Rozty: do we organise them as they are on the Mount (Online) page?
20:18: TinyClayMan: That page doesn't have Big Cats
20:18: CarloV3r: There's some mounts missing, right?
20:18: CarloV3r: How many would you guess?
20:18: TinyClayMan: 40 to 60 %
20:18: Rupuzioks: well, it is good idea to split them, but the pages don't have a lot of content anyway
20:18: CarloV3r: 40 to 60% is missing?
20:18: Rozty: yeah, there's a lot of things missing from that page
20:18: TinyClayMan: Roughly
20:19: CarloV3r: Jeez alright
20:19: Rozty: but it does give some sort of image on how they will be separated
20:19: TinyClayMan: The only one who was adding content to those pages was Cat Master
20:19: Rupuzioks: as it is now it will expand to something like category page eventually
20:19: Rozty: rip
20:19: CarloV3r: Yeah he was the only one adding to crown page articles in general
20:19: CarloV3r: Will be missed
20:20: CarloV3r: Alright, well I tend to agree with TinyClayman as well; I think it's practical to split them up
20:20: Rozty: yeah me too
20:20: Rozty: we just need to figure out *how* to split them up is all
20:21: Rozty: i don't remember if the game has any way of doing that already?
20:22: Rozty: because if not we would have to go from type of animal since they tend to be the same variations right?
20:22: CarloV3r: https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/mounts/
20:22: CarloV3r: This seems logical
20:23: TinyClayMan: https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/pets/ and also this
20:23: CarloV3r: 2 sec, I'm just gonna walk my dog real quick
20:23: TinyClayMan: Although, I don't quite like the term "Creepy Crawlies"
20:24: Rozty: lmao
20:24: TinyClayMan: And "Desert" and "Woodland" are subjective as there are Flame and Wood Guars and the like
20:24: Rozty: yeah we need a new one instead of that
20:24: Rozty: and for the mounts, senche works a lot better than felines
20:25: Rozty: and the dragon one can just be "other"
20:25: TinyClayMan: Not all feline mounts are senche iirc
20:25: Rozty: oof
20:26: Rozty: i wonder, we don't really have to decide for each and every naming right now right?
20:26: Rozty: *because i don't want to look through all the mounts and think of better names for them*
20:27: TinyClayMan: >we just need to figure out *how* to split them up is all >i don't remember if the game has any way of doing that already? The game doesn't have that - it puts them all in the same header "Mounts"
20:28: TinyClayMan: oh wait, no
20:28: Rozty: is there hope?
20:28: TinyClayMan: Exotic and Horses
20:28: Rozty: o
20:28: TinyClayMan: Not much hope
20:28: TinyClayMan: That won't do
20:28: CarloV3r: I think we can discuss the specifics later
20:28: Rupuzioks: Are there some mounts who are pets as well?
20:29: Rozty: no, they are pretty much considered different
20:29: TinyClayMan: We usually use different pages for that
20:29: CarloV3r: Alright I think most of us tend to agree with this
20:29: Rozty: yeah
20:30: CarloV3r: I propose we vote, then send this chat to Atvelonis and let him look through it
20:30: Rozty: lol yeah, the names are not something that important that we would need to discuss over
20:30: Rupuzioks: yes, only the specifics are difficult, especially for me since I don't own ESO
20:31: TinyClayMan: Alright *If I get to it, I will just create the navbox for everyone to edit*
20:31: Rozty: (kappa)
20:32: TinyClayMan: Should we do the ( + ) thing?
20:32: CarloV3r: I think we should hear Atvelonis first though, he usually has some interesting insights
20:32: Rozty: alright, let's get to voting, proposal to split the Navboxes for ESO Pets and Mounts into different categories
20:32: CarloV3r: (+)
20:32: TinyClayMan: (+)
20:32: TinyClayMan: oh wait
20:32: TinyClayMan: what categories
20:32: Rozty: (pls tell me i wrote that correctly)
20:32: TinyClayMan: navboxes
20:32: Rozty: brain fart
20:32: Rozty: yes
20:32: Rupuzioks: (+)
20:32: Rozty: see, this is why i shouldn't do things
20:33: Rozty: categories, as in different categories of navboxes
20:33: Rozty: (+)
20:33: CarloV3r: Alright I think that's all the votes we're gonna get lol
20:33: Rozty: lol yeah
20:33: CarloV3r: Rupuzioks you're gonna document this chat, right/
20:33: Rupuzioks: yes
20:34: Rozty: does anyone else have anything to talk about?
20:34: TinyClayMan: We can ping others, in case they sleep on their keyboards
20:34: Rozty: Wendigohmer TheKorraFanatic Poisoned apples The Beautiful Princess Ashley henlo, pls vote
20:35: Rozty: well, i guess that's that
20:35: Rozty: should i use my power to end the moot?
20:36: Poisoned apples: thanks rupuzioks, and for doing last month's as well
20:36: CarloV3r: I'll allow it @Rozty
20:36: Rozty: nice
20:36: CarloV3r: Alright so Rupuzioks, if you could share this chat with Atvelonis and ask him to share his thoughts somewhere (slack, discord, etc) that'd be great
20:36: Rozty: I have now used my power to end the moot, it's over everyone, you are released and can now go home
20:37: Wendigohmer: Sorry I was talking with my friend
20:37: TinyClayMan: *Whatever we decide on the names of the navboxes - most of them will be in Latin*
20:37: Rozty: a little bit too late,now
20:38: Rozty: latin characters or latin language?
20:38: CarloV3r: Eh, preferably just names most users will be able to comprehend
20:38: Rozty: (kappa)
20:38: TinyClayMan: Cervidae Aves