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De728631 (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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—LX (talk, contribs) 19:19, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Motopark (talk) 11:25, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Motopark (talk) 11:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Only text only logos are allowed in Commons without OTRS-permission Motopark (talk) 11:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically marked as "reviewed". This has no effect on your editing, it is simply intended to make it easier for users that are monitoring Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones like yours. In addition, the Flickr upload feature and an increased number of batch-uploads in UploadWizard, uploading of freely licensed MP3 files, overwriting files uploaded by others and an increased limit for page renames per minute are now available to you. Thank you. BTW, you can talk to us! Although it looks like we are bots or whatever, we generally reply to questions on your talk page. So if you receive a notice that you should send permission for one of your uploads, either do it or reply with a short explanation that you won't or ask why you were ask to send permission. Silently ignoring these requests is not to most people's like.

Finally, I thank you for your contributions. Very good an precious photos are among them. We don't have enough Finish users and those we have are always too silent, in my opinion. I'd like to suggest adding language skills to your user page. For example, if you speak Finish, English, Russian, German and Estonian, consider putting the following onto your user page {{#babel: fi-n | en-3 | ru-3 | et-1 }}. In case of questions, please ask. -- Rillke^(q?) 18:39, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your advice. I made the user page for myself. --Kospo75 (talk) 10:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey thanks. Now your account is no longer assumed to be operated by a dog. No, seriously people are glad if they can see in which languages they can talk to you. -- Rillke^(q?) 22:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Motopark (talk) 05:01, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:32, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

	The Original Barnstar
	moi!..olipa tosi hieno toi vanha kuva tosta nisulankadulta!!..aivan mahtava kuva. olen etsinyt vanhoja kuvia nisulasta ,kun itse asuin siellä tuolloin ton mäen päällä...tuo muistoja....t-nisula 1000 Nisula1000 (talk) 17:56, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hej! Jag lade just file:Konnevesi (27) Etelä-Lanstun saari.jpg på sv:Konnevesi (sjö), men tror att bildtexten kanske hör till någon annan bild - några odon ser i alla fall inte jag! Hur som helst: tack för bilden! Taxelson (talk) 19:49, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tack för din info. Texten är från en annan bild. Jag byter den. --Kospo75 (talk) 04:27, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Affected: File:Szolnok stamp 1975.jpg

Regasterios (talk) 14:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Regasterios (talk) 14:30, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Huomaan, että olet siirtänyt kuvia markkinat-luokista ruokamarkkina-luokkiin. Osa näistä kuvista eivät kuitenkaan ole ruokamarkkinoilta, vaan aivan muilta markkinoilta, joilla juitenkin tarjotaan ruokaa. Peruin muutoksesi yhteen minun kuvaani, ja korjasin luokan kuvasta File:Hjortron pa torget i Helsingfors.jpg. Helsingin torilla myydään nykyään paljon muuta kuin ruokaa.

Pyytäisin varomaan muutoksia kuvissa, joista sinulla ei ole tarkempia tietoja.

–LPfi (talk) 12:14, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Poistin muutamia kuvia näistä luokista. Olisi kiva jos vastaisit kyselyihin täällä, ja mielellään itse katsoisit läpi tekemääsi, kun siitä valitetaan. Roiskuu kun rapataan, mutta ei pidä laittaa toisia siivoamaan.

[A bunch of images of food stands were moved to food market categories, although the markets weren't food markets. I've corrected some obvious cases I found, but there may still be others left.]

–LPfi (talk) 08:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mitä minun pitäisi siis vastata? Enimmäkseen olen pyrkinyt vain lisäämään luokkia. En oikein vieläkään ymmärrä, mikä tämä ero näissä markkinoissa on. Toisessa tarjotaan ruokaa, toisessa vain myydään? Ovatko silakkamarkkinat ruokamarkkinoita? Voiko sama kuva kuulua molempiin luokkiin? --Kospo75 (talk) 09:15, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jokin reaktio olisi ollut kiva. Esimerkiksi nyt esittämäsi kysymys.

Tottakai eri markkinoiden välillä on eroa, niin kuin eri kauppojenkin välillä on. Ei Ikea ole ruokakauppa, vaikka siellä satuttaisikin myymään ruokaa. Rajatapauksiakin on. Kauppatoreilla kai aikoinaan oli ruokamarkkinoita, kuten kai silakkamarkkinatkin olivat kalamarkkinoita. Nykyisiä en sillä lailla luonnehtisi. Toki, jos joku luokittelaa silakkamarkkinat kalamarkkinoiksi, niin tuskin lähden sitä muuttamaan.

Koska ruokamarkkinat ovat markkinoiden alaluokka, kuvan ei pitäisi olla molemmissa. Tämän vuoksi kuva "häviää" yläluokasta kun se laitetaan tarkempaan luokkaan, joka ei istukaan kuvan kohteeseen. En lähtisi etsimään kuvia Helsingin kauppahallista luokasta Kalamarkkinat, ja kuva jäisi löytymättä.

Luokkien jakaminen alaluokkiin pitäisi tehdä huolella, jolloin kuvien luokittelukin helpottuu. Suomessa kai ei enää juuri ole kalamarkkinoita, muuta kuin mahdollisesti tukkumarkkinoita (sitä puolta en tunne). Puutalojen osalta laitoin luokkiin {{Category see also}}, kun puurakentaminen lienee eksoottista sielläpäin mistä luokkien luoja on. Se auttaa jonkin verran kun on jokin luokka jota ei välttämättä keksi etsiä.

–LPfi (talk) 12:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Itse olen sitä mieltä, että kuvien löytyminen helpottuu kun kuva luokitellaan mahdollisimman moneen luokkaan. Yritän siksi katsoa kuvia sillä silmällä, että onko siinä asioita, jota kuvan lataaja ei ole huomannut luokitella. Olen tehnyt myös uusia luokkia, mutta lähinnä "xxx in Finland" -tyylisiä sellaisiin, joissa muiden maiden luokkia jo on. Ruokamarkkinat taas voisi olla esimerkki siitä, että luokassa voisi olla määritelmä, jolloin virheluokituksia tulisi vähemmän. --Kospo75 (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Toisaalta kuva joka on monessa luokassa löytyy helpommin, toisaalta luokka joka on täynnä sinne vain marginaalisesti kuuluvia kuvia on kättökelvoton. Jälkimmäistä ajeteltaessa voi miettiä sitä ilahtuuko joku, joka etsi kuvaa juuri tästä luokasta, siitä että kuva oli mukana. Näiden kuvien osalta vastaus lienee kyllä (kuvia oli luokissa vähän, joten ne eivät haittaa muiden kuvien näkemistä).

Toisaalta joku joka etsii kuvitusta tiettyyn artikkeliin saattaa luottaa siihen, että luokassa olevat kuvat kuvaavat luokan aihetta. Tässä tapauksessa kuvan kuvauksenkaan tarkistaminen ei auttaisi, koska siitä ei ilmennyt olika kyse ruoka. tai kalamarkkinoista – piti tietää näiden kyseisten markkinoiden luonne. Tässä siis saatetaan aiheuttaa kuvien harhaanjohtavaa käyttöä.

Luokkien kuvaaminen olisi todella tärkeää. Olen Wikipediassa esittänyt, että pääluokkaa varten tehtäisiin malline, joka lisättäisiin alaluokkiin, ettei tarvitse mennä kaikkien "by country" yms. väliluokkien kautta löytääkseen kuvauksen – joka usein puuttuu pääluokastakin. Täällä asia olisi erityisen tärkeä: mistä minä tiedän onko jokin kelkka tai reki "sleight" vaiko "sled" tai onko jälkijono "trail" vaiko "track"? Näissä tapauksessa yleensä luen Wikipedia-artikkeleita, mutta ne eivät ole aina kovinkaan selventäviä.

–LPfi (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hei, artikkelissa fi: Trieste on oudolta vaikuttava lause: "Nykyisin Slovenia vaatii Kroatialta Triesten lähialuetta, jonka se katsoo kuuluvan historiallisesti kaupunkiin". Kuitenkin, Trieste on Italiaan, ei Sloveniaan kuuluva kaupunki. Voinet siis poistaa lauseen.

Triestessä on silti sloveenivähemmistö, joten sloveeninkielinen nimi sopinee paremmin kuin saksankielinen nimi eli artikkeli alkaisi:
Trieste (ital. [triˈɛste]^ⓘ, sloveeniksi Trst) on kaupunki Koillis-Italiassa, Triestenlahden pohjukassa.

--2001:999:250:C72C:5145:3B9:EF49:4C6F 18:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Onko jokin syy sille, ettet voi sitä itse muokata? En mielestäni ole tällaista lausetta sinne kirjoittanut joten en ole asianosainen. Kospo75 (talk) 19:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kyllä olet: 10. heinäkuuta 2017 kello 14.09. --2001:999:250:8E46:64F3:CBCC:33C:BA22 12:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Minulle on uutta tällainen että tarvitaan alkuperäistä muokkaajaa korjaamaan jotain kohtaa artikkelissa. Miksi et itse voi tehdä sitä. Vai onko tää niinkuin kotitöissä että yritetään saada toinen tekemään. Vai jonkinlainen rangaistus?

Tein nuo mainitsemani muutokset 23. ja 24. tammikuuta, mutta käyttäjä Rdt404 kumosi ne väittäen eston kierrosta. Muuten, on jonkinlaista kummallista käyttäytymistä, kun kyseinen käyttäjä ei liene tehnyt yhtään muokkausta, vaan pelkästään kumoamisia: käyttäjän Rdt404 muokkaukset. Eräänlaisen WPK-fobian vimmalla Rdt404 on jopa kumonnut käyttäjän 62.148.124.30 muokkauksia.

Käännyin puoleesi siksi, kun itse en voi Rdt404:n takia enää kirjautua fi-Wikiin ja ip-osoitteella mobiilista sinne ei ole päässyt enää aikoihin.

Pahoittelen, että yhden käyttäjän toiminnan takia jouduin pyytämään Sinulta apua.

Yt. --2001:999:230:7AC4:5449:42CE:B80E:90FC 10:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Adamant1 (talk) 02:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You added a number of 1920s photographs to the Category:Role-playing games. However, as per w:en:History of role-playing games, role-playing games started in the 1970s, so these photographs would predate role-playing games, so I've removed them from the category.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:32, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. --Kospo75 (talk) 11:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]