Commons:Deletion requests/SVG flags with border
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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
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All these images are duplicates. They are old, now is available the possibility of using the parameter "border". --Metrónomo (talk) 18:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- I added the following files derived by myself. -- Juetho (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- Georgia with border
- Monaco with border
- Malta with border
- Poland with border (derived by Dirk Hünniger)
- Well, I thought they were obsolete six years ago. FWIW, please see a deletion nomination at en where my request to delete one of the bordered images was objected to because it was used in the flagicon template. I clicked on a several of these images and a LOT of uses of these images still exist, so before deleting anything, the uses need to be cleaned up and any templates that assume the existence of a (bordered) image need to be modified to instead use the Wikimarkup feature to generate a border. --UserB (talk) 03:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
- I think the reason is not enough, "would have a lot of work to replace them all". In the same way, there are here deletions request from these images that led to the deletion (example). If required to do cleanup work first, I offer to do it (where I can edit). Also this request is to determine whether these images should or should not be eliminated, rather than to determine when. --Metrónomo (talk) 04:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Keep The only question is "Are they useful for an educational purpose in its broad meaning?" and the answer is a clear "Yes". In addition some of them are in use, which should mean an automatic 'keep'. Sinnamon Girl (talk) 03:07, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Comment. I'm nominating for being nonidentical duplicate files. --Metrónomo (talk) 05:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Delete. I created some flags as a precaution for my wikibook Wikijunior Europa because flags with white areas were not displayed properly. The original versions work now using the "border" parameter. That concerns: Bulgaria, Cyprus, Hungary, Ireland, Czech (as well as Vatican, see example above). I'll look whether other flags are concerned, too. As soon as the links are cleaned up the "wrong" flags may be deleted. -- Juetho (talk) 07:27, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- Note: Some files are used thousands of times, e.g. File:Flag of Bulgaria (bordered).svg. Cleanup may be done by a bot. -- Juetho (talk) 13:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Question Why is File:Flag of Slovakia (bordered).svg not included in this request? 213.54.169.42 18:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- Because they are too many, I'm tagging slowly. I have a very poor internet connection that I can't do much per day. --Metrónomo (talk) 01:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Delete There are enough flag images; ones with borders are not necessary. --Spielertyp (talk) 22:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
- The entire Commons project is not necessary. Actually Internet is not necessary either. But the scope of Commons says that media has to be useful for an educational purpose in the broad meaning of the term. And these are useful for an educational purpose in the broad meaning. Sinnamon Girl (talk) 02:23, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Nuke them all, we have the ability to add borders without this. Fry1989 eh? 18:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
- These are now entirely redundant; there is a simpler (and more scalable) way to add borders. They are also problematic in that they have a tendency to diverge from their unbordered counterparts: see several examples above where subsequent changes to the unbordered version have not been reflected in the bordered one. Delete, but not until all uses of them have been replaced. Alkari (?), 12 June 2013, 22:53 UTC
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- Keep File:Flag of Wales 28 October 2011.svg should be kept though, it's not related to the border images. Fry1989 eh? 03:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Yes, they should be deleted, because they are duplicates of existing images, just with borders. But these borders are totally unuseful, because the border can be added using the parameter "border". But the images are still widely used, so before deleting, someone needs co clean-up all the pages where they are used and to switch to the use of unbordered flags, adding "border" parameter. Vanjagenije (talk) 09:52, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- Can you please specify an exhaustive and complete list of the places that use at least one file that is to be deleted. This list must specify Wikimedia projects, all other sites that may use the file, and printed media that has ever been published that refers to it. Sinnamon Girl (talk) 11:27, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- Delete. Delete and mass replace with their unbordered equivalents (with a border specified, if that's possible). I agree with Fry about File:Flag of Wales 28 October 2011.svg, it should be kept. It has a different rendering. Lemmens, Tom (talk) 10:28, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Please avoid duplicates.--Antemister (talk) 15:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Keep There is no Bot to replace. User:CommonsDelinker dont work since 2013-05-10 --Knochen ﱢﻝﱢ 16:55, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Keep. These images are not duplicates. And they are in use. Geagea (talk) 00:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- Delete These are nothing but duplicates now. Per Alkari: entirely redundant; there is a simpler (and more scalable) way to add borders. --Eleassar (t/p) 07:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- Keep You have to tink about much wider. The argument, wikimedia-software can display a border itself is correct. But files here are not only for wikimedia-software-related projects. See Commons:Project_scope#File_not_legitimately_in_use: „The emphasis here is on realistic utility, either for one of the Wikimedia projects or for some other educational use.“ Or at this link, too: „Wikimedia Commons is a media file repository making available public domain and freely-licensed educational media content [...] to all. It acts as a common repository for the various projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, but you do not need to belong to one of those projects to use media hosted here.“ So, all users, most of software, many homepages, blogs etc. that were not hosted by a wikimedia-software cannot add a border. So, if I as a teacher (or my pupils) want to make a presentation on white background or white paper need a border. If this files were deleted, we have to re-add it. Unnecessary work. The files listed above are educational and they are needed (not only within wikimedia-projects, but outside, too). So there are only reasons to not delete this files. --Quedel (talk) 09:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- Delete per Alkari, but keep File:Flag of Wales 28 October 2011.svg. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Keep There are people outside wikipedia who reuse the files and might need the border. Plus the memory space is gone anyway.--Cwbm (commons) (talk) 17:28, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
- Temporary decision
- Kept We have to keep all in-use flags for now as we currently have no way for a proper on-wiki replacement due to the CommonsDelinker failure. Also fiddling with flags is highly problematic because of usage in protected templates or strange infoboxes sometimes requiring them to have a specific name. Flags should be individually checked/replaced and nominated for deletion once Delinker (or a properly working replacement) are available to us. I will not close this DR for now to enable further discussion. And a comment: I don't see a need to delete the bordered flags, they could still co-exist as a variant but all on-wiki usage should be changed to standard flag with border option (if possible, depends on wiki usage).--Denniss (talk) 14:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Kept: 1) Technical reasons replacement not easy without CommonsDelinker and there's a good chance to break some flag templates 2) No real reason to delete them as they may still have use. One may want to check the duplicate bordered flags - don't see a need for two almost identical bordered flags. Denniss (talk) 08:43, 1 July 2013 (UTC)