Template talk:Legendary Pokémon

No, no, no. The legendaries are not categorised by their interrelationships but by the stage they can be obtained in game, and their characteristics. (Also, I don't support the Dialga/Palkia/Giratina triad theory.) - 振霖_T 09:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added that categorization (or at least what I believe to be true... far as D/P goes, I just followed what I knew from the guys above in RBYGSCRSE) to the top of the columns, and colorized the boxes that the Pokémon's names are in to basically represent their or their type's color. What do you think of it? Tom Temprotran 08:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The colours clash too much. Less intense colouration would be good, but ultimately the colours simply don't match. - 振霖_T 12:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Umm, Darkrai is an event Pokemon, not avaliable after the fall of the E4, unless you count that glitch.--PikamasterADV 12:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Lugia and Ho-Oh: Mascots only?

Since both of them are in the same boat as Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza, being before the Elite Four in one version and after it in another, I figure they should just be in the mascot column. Tom Temprotran 02:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Suicune

Suicune, to my belief, goes in the Trio box not the Mascots box. It was part of the trio first. TinaTheKirlia ♥ 15:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Plus, it doesn't make much sense to list it twice on the same template. --PAK Man ^Talk 15:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Über

What the hell is Über? Ü is really a German charackter ^^ What do you mean with this? MewX 21:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Although I don't know how to pronounce the 'Ü', Uber is pronounced like 'oober', so.. yeah.. Tina ^δ♫ 21:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Allright, I found this on WP. The German Ü is actually similar pronounced to an english Y... However ^^ Why are Darkrai etc. counted as Über while the others aren't? I thinknearly all of them are Über..?! MewX 22:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Odd.. well, Darkrai's put in the 'Uber Event Legendary' pile, and it shares this pile wih Deoxys and Arceus, since all the other event legends are in the 'cute' pile.. Tina ^δ♫ 22:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

WHY is Phione in this thing???

It's misleading-people will think Phione is a legendary! And NO, there is NOT any proof of it yet, so I suggest we leave Phione out of this template until it can be proven conclusively that it is or isn't a legendary. -- Glitch and Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 12:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

It is considerd by what? 75...80% of people that it is a legendary because it is you know BRED FROM ONE!

Be that as it may, that doesn't PROVE anything. Legendary Pokémon are only supposed to be one per cartridge w/o trading (you can breed more Phione from Phione or Manaphy), and have good stats (Phione's base stats are the same as Glalie's). I'm looking for irrefutable, undeniable, and concrete proof of whether or not Phione is legendary. Confirmation from Nintendo, ability to be used during the PBR legendary ban, ect., ect., ect.! People all thought Rotom was legendary, because it had good stats and legendary battle music, but as Pokémon.com confirmed, Rotom is NOT a legendary. Now, I'm not saying outright that Phione is not a legendary, I'm only saying that if it is, something screwy is going on here. -- Glitch and Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 12:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I've taken Phione off the template. Please don't put it back until anything is confirmed. -- Glitch and Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 14:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

It's protected now, with Phione in it. Now, I think it should stay there as it is bred from a Legendary Pokémon.^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 06:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

It's legendary. Phione was confirmed. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 06:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

why is it under event pokemon? --lord mada 22:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I would assume because the only way to get Phione is through an event obtained Pokémon.GJ 23:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

fair enough--lord mada 23:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it.GJ 23:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Unprotection?

I think this should be unprotected, Phione has been confirmed as Legendary now, so yeah.. (Unless someone decides that Giratina is going to be the third game mascot, and then they keep adding it over and over *coughs a bit*) Tina^☆♫ 17:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

And HOW has it been confirmed a Legendary?^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 17:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I think there was a post on Pokémon.com saying Phione is a legendary. JmathTalk 18:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, look on Pokémon.com's mailbag, they say Phione is legendary. Look on here, too. Tina^☆♫ 18:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Fanon terms

Aren't "Uber" and "Cute" fanon terms? --☆ケンジガール 21:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but they distinguish the two types of event legendaries well. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 21:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Layout

This template is wider than the usual page width, which makes it a little annoying on some pages... Shouldn't we use a smaller font like on most other navigation templates? I'd do it myself, but it's protected... --ElectAbuzzzz 17:15, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Umm, anybody...? --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 14:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, how about this as an improvable suggestion? I'm not too good with tables, but I think it's better then the current one. --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 13:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon
	Before the Elite Four		After the Elite Four	Event Pokémon
	Legendary trios	Version mascots		Cute	Über
Kanto	Articuno | Zapdos | Moltres		Mewtwo	Mew
Johto	Raikou | Entei | Suicune	Lugia | Ho-Oh		Celebi
Hoenn	Regirock | Regice | Registeel	Kyogre | Groudon | Rayquaza	Latias | Latios	Jirachi	Deoxys
Sinnoh	Uxie | Mesprit | Azelf	Dialga | Palkia | Giratina	Heatran | Regigigas | Cresselia	Phione | Manaphy | Shaymin	Darkrai | Arceus

Looks good to me--KukiTalk 13:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Me too. TTEchidna 18:45, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

How about a mozborder one?

Legendary Pokémon Before the Elite Four After the Elite Four Event Pokémon Legendary trios Version mascots Cute Über Kanto Articuno | Zapdos | Moltres Mewtwo Mew Johto Raikou | Entei | Suicune Lugia | Ho-Oh Celebi Hoenn Regirock | Regice | Registeel Kyogre | Groudon | Rayquaza Latias | Latios Jirachi Deoxys Sinnoh Uxie | Mesprit | Azelf Dialga | Palkia | Giratina Heatran | Regigigas | Cresselia Phione | Manaphy | Shaymin Darkrai | Arceus

Just an idea! Edit as needed.--Mew a.k.a. Prmatt11 at 14:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Sol also made one for this.. see here. ►Ҝəυzø8 14:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Phione

Phione is still not confirmed legendary or non-legendary. It should at least be put in a new section, something like "debatable". - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs)

As already stated above, Phione has been confirmed to be a legendary Pokémon by Pokémon.com--Sher-e-Bengal- 12:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Should this by organised by generation instead of region?

I say this because some of the pokemon listed, mainly the trios, are found in multiple regions. Also some of the Pokémon don't even come from the region they are listed in, for example Manaphy comes from Almia/Fiore not Sinnoh, Jirachi and Deoxys aren't found in Hoenn, and Mew isn't in Kanto. Jmvb 11:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Remove Phione, please

Take a look at Phione's talk page. It's confirmed to be not legendary. I'd do this myself, but the page is still protected for some strange reason. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 11:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

All that page says is that the failish Pokémon.com released several contradicting answers. Just because the recent one was a "no", does not mean it's the right one. It just means that it's their most recent brainfart. --electAbuzzzz 14:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

They would not have put it into print, let alone in a guidebook that probably millions of people own by now, if they weren't certain of it. On a website, sure, as they can easily change their minds (as we've seen for ourselves!), but in print, that's a different story. Besides, their previous contradictory answers don't even exist anymore, as Pokemon.com no longer has a mailbag. Why, it's almost as if they're now sure that Phione is not a legendary to the extent that they didn't want people to realize that they once beleived the contrary to be true! Look, if you're really still unsure, why not just put Phione into a special "debatable" column or something? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 14:37, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Uh, by that token, we'd have to move Allegra back to "Maki", Maury back to "Katsumi", and Kai (movie) to "Dai (movie)" (just plain "Dai" is now a disambig) on the sole basis that the charac::ters in question no longer have English names because the source that revealed them is no longer around. If that were to happen, we'd also have to put down that the dub did not give Moose a dub name because the source that distinctly said he kept his Japanese name is no longer around. Just because the Mailbag is no longer around doesn't mean whatever stuff it revealed is no longer relevant. As far as I'm concerned, you're just strapping more C4 to Pandora's Box, and by unhiding what you did, you're more than likely to have started the very edit war you were seeking to prevent. --Shiningpikablu252 16:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

There's a big freakin' difference. There's no recent official source overriding what the mailbag said about the movie characters' names. There IS an official source, in print, made by the same company, no less, overriding what the mailbag said about Phione's legendary status, however. And I am not trying to cause any trouble like this. I am, like any good Bulbapedia contributor, attempting to change certain aspects of a certain article to reflect the facts presented to us by an official source. In other words, I am trying to improve the pedia's accuracy and quality. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 19:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Still doesn't change the fact that you don't represent the consensus. For all we know, that book could be full of snafus like the book some people used to try to convince us that Rotom is a legendary--against a Mailbag-based consensus, for the record. Just because a book's got an official seal doesn't mean it's accurate. --Shiningpikablu252 04:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Zekrom and Reshiram

Shoudldn't these two be added to the list now?? --S2daam 08:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

No leggendary

Phione isen't a leggendary pokemon, someone must delete Phione of the template, I can't because the page is protected. --RAZIEL 17:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about? We've even asked Pokemon.com to clarify, and it is. ^ht14 17:27, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, scratch that. See this. We don't want to create spark up another monster argument. ^ht14 17:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Victini

This little legendary needs to be added to the Isshu part --S2daam 20:17, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Kerudio

It's currently being Romanized as Keldeo. Can we change the template to match? --Andy^P_K^M_N 13:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Now Phione REALLY needs to be removed.

Take a look at Talk:Celebi (Pokémon). Phione has finally been confirmed beyond all doubt to not be legendary. I'd remove it myself, but the page is STILL protected for some strange reason. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 22:34, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I imagine it's still locked for this very reason: so people can't go gung-ho in changing information at the drop of a hat. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 22:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

But we have confirmed that it is not legendary. It's not just someone randomly deciding that it's not, it is fact. We have one dead source telling us that it is legendary, and two live ones, one in a game and one in a guide, telling us that it is not. Because the only argument against has been taken down, it is possible that by now it would have been changed, so it cannot be used as evidence. --SnorlaxMonster 11:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The old template is still in use. Which one of these upgrades is better?

Vertical

Legendary Pokémon

Kanto Articuno • Zapdos • Moltres • Mewtwo • Mew Johto Raikou • Entei • Suicune • Lugia • Ho-Oh • Celebi Hoenn Regirock • Regice • Registeel • Latias • Latios Kyogre • Groudon • Rayquaza • Jirachi • Deoxys Sinnoh Uxie • Mesprit • Azelf • Dialga • Palkia • Heatran • Regigigas Giratina • Cresselia • Phione* • Manaphy • Darkrai • Shaymin • Arceus Unova Victini • Cobalion • Terrakion • Virizion • Tornadus • Thundurus Reshiram • Zekrom • Landorus • Kyurem • Keldeo • Meloetta • Genesect

Alternate vertical

Legendary Pokémon

Kanto Articuno • Zapdos • Moltres • Mewtwo • Mew Johto Raikou • Entei • Suicune • Lugia • Ho-Oh • Celebi Hoenn Regirock • Regice • Registeel • Latias • Latios • Kyogre • Groudon • Rayquaza • Jirachi • Deoxys Sinnoh Uxie • Mesprit • Azelf • Dialga • Palkia • Heatran • Regigigas • Giratina • Cresselia • Phione* • Manaphy • Darkrai • Shaymin • Arceus Unova Victini • Cobalion • Terrakion • Virizion • Tornadus • Thundurus • Reshiram • Zekrom • Landorus • Kyurem • Keldeo • Meloetta • Genesect

Horizontal

Legendary Pokémon

Kanto Johto Hoenn Articuno • Zapdos • Moltres • Mewtwo • Mew Raikou • Entei • Suicune • Lugia • Ho-Oh • Celebi Regirock • Regice • Registeel • Latias • Latios Kyogre • Groudon • Rayquaza • Jirachi • Deoxys Sinnoh Unova Uxie • Mesprit • Azelf • Dialga • Palkia • Heatran • Regigigas Giratina • Cresselia • Phione* • Manaphy • Darkrai • Shaymin • Arceus Victini • Cobalion • Terrakion • Virizion • Tornadus • Thundurus Reshiram • Zekrom • Landorus • Kyurem • Keldeo • Meloetta • Genesect

New outline - Discussions

We need to reach a consensus over what we will use to update the template, it's been months without a decision being made in this matter. Opinions go in their respective sub headers.

Vertical

• I support this one, because it's the outline that the new templates are following, and we should focus on steadiness, not to mention it's the best looking one. Masatoshi_talk 15:32, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
• I prefer this one too. The alternate vertical is stretching horizontally too much. —♥ Jello^talk 21:00, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
• I prefer this one. It also follows the same style as {{NPC}}. The horizonal is just plain ugly, and the alternate vertical is too wide and looks really disbalanced when you compare Kanto to Unova. --SnorlaxMonster 04:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
• Oh there ain't no other way, vertical all the way, it's on the center track baby, it was born this way yeah. --P S Y_ライダー☮ 06:43, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
• My vote goes to the vertical one. The others stretch out too much. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 19:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Alternate vertical

• I personally think this one looks the best. I'm not too bothered, just as long as it's not that ugly horizontal one... XVuvuzela2010X 15:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
• I prefer this style, only because I think long templates look better than tall ones (long templates clutter the bottom of pages less compared to tall ones), and the horizontal is, as stated, kinda ugly. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 15:49, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
• This one uses less pagespace and seems to have less whitespace than the above. The vertical template is terrible. Who the heck designed it? —darklordtrom 07:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
• I like this one the best, but I think that it could use the menu sprites next to the name of the Pokemon, just to make it look a little better? Jakeul200493 13:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Horizontal

Other comments

What I don't like is that they all are sorted by region, which is not really accurate. Legendary Pokémon appear in multiple regions, and should really be sorted by generation. This wouldn't change where the Pokémon are on the list, just the names of the groups. --SnorlaxMonster 07:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Alternatively, we could list every legendary Pokémon in every region they could be obtained. It would be helpful, but potentially messy. —darklordtrom 07:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

That is more like how {{legendarylocations}} used to be. If we were to do it that way, we would need "other" for Giratina in the Distortion World, the creation trio at Sinjoh Ruins, and Mew on Faraway Island; as well as "none" for Jirachi, Deoxys, Keldeo, Melloetta and Genesect. I think by generation is the cleanest and easiest option. If we were to list them by location, I would suggest either Template:Legendarylocations or on the page legendary Pokémon. --SnorlaxMonster 07:24, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

There's changing region names to generations, referring to when they first appeared. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 07:26, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

That's what I was suggesting. I think this is the most logical solution, and easiest to navigate. --SnorlaxMonster 07:32, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

New Template, 2 Edit Requests, and Phione

Can we decide on a template? There's been no discussion since May. Also, the current template should not be hidden, seeing as how its still in use. And can someone remove the br clear="all" that appears at the end of the current template, I think that's what's making a space appear between this template and the Super Smash Bros template in the navigation template at the end of Deoxys's page.

And what's Phione's current status*? I think it should be added, but with a note like this: Phione* - unsigned comment from Vuvuzela2010 (talk • contribs)

Phione HAS to be in the template. The fact that it isn't normally obtainable in the games (you need a event Pokémon first) and many official sources consider a legendary is enough to warrant its placement in it. - Ericss 17:25, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

The issue is that there are just as many official sources saying that it isn't. However, I think what Vuvu suggested is best. --SnorlaxMonster 17:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Rotom

Okay, if Phione is here, then I think Rotom should be too, under the same disputed category. This is because it pretty much fits the bill for a legendary, only one in the game, can not breed. It also commonly gets mistaken for a legendary. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 22:00, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

First, Rotom can breed. Second, commonly mistaken for a legendary is not the same as legendary, and Rotom is not legendary. Its base stats are far lower than those of any other legendary in all of its forms, and there aren't legends about it either. It's an in-game event Pokémon, like Snorlax. --Darth Zekrom 01:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

There has never been any evidence that indicates that Rotom is legendary. Phione is referred to as both legendary and non-legendary by official sources, whereas the closest thing Rotom has is an error in the Pokémon Ultimate Handbook (which was corrected in the updated version). --SnorlaxMonster 07:43, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Order

Why are all of the Pokemon in National Pokedex order except for the Sinnoh Legendaries? Shouldn't they be in order too? Pokemega32 19:35, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. --SnorlaxMonster 14:25, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Xerneas and Yveltal

Do we wait until a region name is revealed, or just list them as 'Generation VI' like the starter template? - signed comment from GoldenCelebi (pedia talk • news talk • archives talk) 22:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Should be categorized by generation, not region

Sorting them by region doesn't make as much sense, as certain Pokemon aren't actually caught in those regions. Deoxys is native to the Sevii Islands and Manaphy has never been obtainable outside of the Ranger regions. These should be sorted by generation instead. Pokemega32 (talk) 20:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with that. Many Pokémon can be caught in multiple regions: Birds, Beasts, Regis, Weather trio, creation trio, lake trio etc. so it makes more sense to have them by generation. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 20:05, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• Considering that the Generation VI legendaries are already added and we still don't know the region's name yet, it would at least make sense for now, I suppose. Though I'm assuming you mean generation introduced, seeing that some are available in multiple games as well as regions.(Caption Obvious, to the rescue!) ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 20:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I think sorting them by generation makes more sense. If it does happen, it would also need to be changed on the Starter Pokémon template. Torpoleon (talk) 21:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

"Generation VI" should be changed to "Kalos"

As stated here, Kalos has been confirmed as the name of the region for X/Y. To keep it consistent, shouldn't the "Generation VI" at the bottom of this template be changed to "Kalos"? ~SirUmbreon (talk) 00:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Mythical?

The event-exclusive Pokémon are now officially considered "Mythical" rather than legendary, maybe it could be subcategorized by that? We could also put "disputed" for Phione. However, that might be covered by Template:EventExclusive. Which would be better, to label "Pokémon" as Mythical in that template or subcategorize this one? We should also consider that the "event" model could potentially be discontinued in Generation VI in favor of DLC, as Spike Chunsoft has already done with the new Pokémon Mystery Dungeon. But if we change this one, we would need a way to do it without making it messy again. TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 20:51, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Includeonly

Can I ask if <includeonly>[[Category:Legendary Pokémon]]</includeonly> could be put in the template? Thanks. — Reshi643 20:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Zygarde

Could Zygarde please be added to this template? Thank you. Miles (talk) 00:04, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Added. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 00:11, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Diancie

She was announced by CoroCoro. I added it to the Legendary Pokémon page and I'm pretty sure someone is making it its own page, can it be added here now? Nutter Butter (talk) 15:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

It's page isn't on the mainspace yet. Glik (talk) 16:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Volcanion and Hoopa

Why hasnt Hoopa and Volcanion been added? --MythKirby (talk) 22:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Because there's been zero official confirmation on their existence aside from a single hacker. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 22:36, 5/11/2014 (UTC)

So why dont they have pages? --MythKirby (talk) 22:39, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Please refer to the comment Schiffy made above. --Pokemaster97 22:43, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Its just that this is bulbapedia the LARGEST POKEMON WIKI, shouldnt it have up to date info on even Pokemon we know nothing about? --MythKirby (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Leaks=/=official confirmation. Until Hoopa and Volcanion are officially revealed, they will not get pages.--ForceFire 13:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Hoopa and Volcanion

Now that they have been given pages, could an admin add them to the template. Thanks in advance! --HoennMaster 06:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Non-existent bump insterted here. Pretty please admin. --HoennMaster 03:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Mythical vs. legendary

We've finalized the distinction between mythical and legendary Pokémon in Talk:Legendary Pokémon, so should we remove all "Mythical" Pokémon from the template? Or should the template be called "Legendary and Mythical Pokémon"? Dancing Dragonite (talk) 21:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Split request

Since we now treat "Legendary Pokemon" and "Mythical Pokemon" as two separate things in most places on the wiki (rather than a single "Legendary and Mythical Pokemon" thing), this template should be split into a "Legendary Pokemon" template and a separate "Mythical Pokemon" template. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:31, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

I'll agree with you on this given the different subject matter. -Tyler53841 (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

I actually don't think two separate templates are mandatory. As templates are not statements of how we "treat" something here, and considering Legendary and Mythical mon are still related, I even think a single template makes more sense (navigation-wise etc.). I would personally not like to have different templates for Mew and Mewtwo, for example.

What we could definitely do, though, is to somehow highlight the differences, what's Legendary and what's Mystical. There could be better ideas, but maybe we could try to differentiate them by two "columns" within this template (that's a different "split request", I guess), or maybe just by introducing some italics? Nescientist (talk) 09:25, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Something like this would be good IMO

Legendary Pokémon Mythical Pokémon Generation I: Articuno • Zapdos • Moltres • Mewtwo Mew Generation II: Raikou • Entei • Suicune • Lugia • Ho-Oh Celebi Generation III: Regirock • Regice • Registeel • Latias • Latios Kyogre • Groudon • Rayquaza Jirachi • Deoxys Generation IV: Uxie • Mesprit • Azelf • Dialga • Palkia Heatran • Regigigas • Giratina • Cresselia Phione* • Manaphy • Darkrai • Shaymin • Arceus Generation V: Cobalion • Terrakion • Virizion • Tornadus • Thundurus Reshiram • Zekrom • Landorus • Kyurem Victini • Keldeo • Meloetta • Genesect Generation VI: Xerneas • Yveltal • Zygarde Diancie • Hoopa • Volcanion Generation VII: Cosmog • Cosmoem Solgaleo • Lunala • Necrozma Magearna • Marshadow

--SnorlaxMonster 11:31, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I still think it looks clustered, IMO mythical is too small of a group to be its own column. Better to include them with the rest like it is now. --Raltseye prata med mej 13:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I like the suggested template. I'd still prefer a Legendary template and a separate Mythical template, but the suggested one works adequately to show that the terms refer to two separate groups. Looks should never be a higher concern than function, and the suggested template functions better than our current one. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Tapus/UBs/Type:Null

Since we have confirmed that the Tapus, the UBs, and Type:Null and Silvally are at least either Legendary or Mythical, they should be added to this template, which has both Legendary and Mythical Pokémon. --Celadonkey 15:21, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Silvally

Silvally is now officially a Legendary Pokemon; it should be added. --Celadonkey 12:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Suggestions

I have a few suggestions for the template.

This is probably going to be somewhat controversial, but here's one: We should include UBs on the template. Yes, I know that they are neither Legendary nor Mythical. On the other hand, they are a very distinct group of very strong Pokemon... so much so that the games treat them on a similar level as Legendary and Mythical. A few of the affiliated Pokemon wikis in other languages have this idea. For a sort of example of how this would work:

Legendary Pokémon, Mythical Pokémon, and Ultra Beasts Generation I: Articuno • Zapdos • Moltres • Mewtwo • Mew Generation II: Raikou • Entei • Suicune • Lugia • Ho-Oh • Celebi Generation III: Regirock • Regice • Registeel • Latias • Latios Kyogre • Groudon • Rayquaza • Jirachi • Deoxys Generation IV: Uxie • Mesprit • Azelf • Dialga • Palkia • Heatran • Regigigas Giratina • Cresselia • Phione* • Manaphy • Darkrai • Shaymin • Arceus Generation V: Victini • Cobalion • Terrakion • Virizion • Tornadus • Thundurus Reshiram • Zekrom • Landorus • Kyurem • Keldeo • Meloetta • Genesect Generation VI: Xerneas • Yveltal • Zygarde • Diancie • Hoopa • Volcanion Generation VII: Type: Null • Silvally • Tapu Koko • Tapu Lele • Tapu Bulu • Tapu Fini • Cosmog Cosmoem • Solgaleo • Lunala • Nihilego • Buzzwole • Pheromosa Xurkitree • Celesteela • Kartana • Guzzlord • Necrozma • Magearna Marshadow • Poipole • Naganadel • Stakataka • Blacephalon • Zeraora

My second idea was to group it by whether a Pokemon is Legendary or Mythical (or Ultra Beast, assuming my first idea is good):

Legendary Pokémon Mythical Pokémon Ultra Beasts Generation I: Articuno • Zapdos • Moltres • Mewtwo Mew Generation II: Raikou • Entei • Suicune • Lugia • Ho-Oh Celebi Generation III: Regirock • Regice • Registeel • Latias • Latios Kyogre • Groudon • Rayquaza Jirachi • Deoxys Generation IV: Uxie • Mesprit • Azelf • Dialga • Palkia • Heatran Regigigas • Giratina • Cresselia Phione* • Manaphy • Darkrai Shaymin • Arceus Generation V: Cobalion • Terrakion • Virizion • Tornadus Thundurus • Reshiram • Zekrom • Landorus Kyurem Victini • Keldeo • Meloetta • Genesect Generation VI: Xerneas • Yveltal • Zygarde Diancie • Hoopa • Volcanion Generation VII: Type: Null • Silvally • Tapu Koko • Tapu Lele Tapu Bulu • Tapu Fini • Cosmog Cosmoem • Solgaleo • Lunala • Necrozma Magearna • Marshadow • Zeraora Nihilego • Buzzwole • Pheromosa • Xurkitree Celesteela • Kartana • Guzzlord • Poipole Naganadel • Stakataka • Blacephalon

My third and final idea was to condense it a little bit, imo both the current template and the one I suggested above are a bit clustered. So my idea was to use boxsprites instead of names. This would hopefully pretty it up a bit too. Although function is more important than looks, it would also hopefully be a bit more easy to use, as a navigation template should be.

Legendary Pokémon Mythical Pokémon Ultra Beasts Generation I: ••• Generation II: •••• Generation III: •••• •• • Generation IV: •••• ••• *•• • Generation V: ••• ••• ••• Generation VI: •• •• Generation VII: ••• •• ••• •• ••• ••• ••

I'm not great at templates or wikicode or any of that, so it wouldn't look like this, probably. But these are just my thoughts. --Celadonkey 00:21, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

No. Ultra Beasts are not legendary, thus have no place on a template about legendary Pokemon. Just because other wikis lump them together, does not mean we have to follow suit. They are clearly distinct from legendary and mythical. The template shouldn't be changed at all, and adding images just adds stress to the servers since it needs to load images and not just text.--ForceFire 03:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I'd have to agree here. It makes as much sense as lumping Starter and Fossil Pokémon in the same template since they have the same gender ratio and you used to get one from a choice in Gen 1. It's pretty much established that Ultra Beasts are a different "class" that's distinct from Legendary and Mythical Pokémon. Especially since they don't have much in the way of lore outside of "This creature came from another world and has awesome powers" and you can actually now go get unlimited numbers of them in the Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon games. PDL (talk) 05:10, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Although I agree that we shouldn’t do things just because other wikis do, it tbh seems pretty clear to me that they are on a very similar level unlike starter and Fossil Pokémon... they are grouped with Mythicals and Legendaries in the code of the game, in filters on the GTS, in Pokédex order, and in Pokédex background. I’m not saying that they are legendary but they share a lot of big similarities which would make having them in a nav template with them much easier. Those are just my thoughts though. --Celadonkey 12:32, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Mythical and Legendary Pokemon are long, long established groups with members in all games. Ultra Beasts are only in SM/USUM. They are very different. At best, it may be worth revisiting after future generations. Maybe. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Very true --Celadonkey 14:47, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Enamorus

It needs to be added now, thanks. Mr. Daikon (talk) 15:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Navbox Suggestions

Can this be revisited? Clearly Ultra Beasts are treated as Legendaries. They are available via Dynamax Adventures in SW/SH alongside all other Legendaries. —Legoless (talk) 13:37, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Terapagos

Very minor stuff, but why is Terapagos situated so strangely in the box? It appears to have sufficient space in the line above to fit its name. I can see the Generation IX Legendaries are grouped in a certain way (base game, then Teal Mask, then Indigo Disk), but the Generation VIII Legendaries do not follow the same style (it is not base game, then Isle of Armor, then Crown Tundra, then Legends: Arceus). It just doesn't feel cohesive. Shinka (talk) 02:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)