Wikipedia:Simple talk/Archive 11

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This is a copy of old messages from Simple Talk. They were moved here on July 5, 2007. It contains discussions which ended before July 2007.

In that article, first there is a quote and a simplified form. It is doubtful if this "simplified form" is an accurate interpretation of the Bill of Rights. Maybe simpler and more accurate interpretations of the Bill of Rights can be found in primary sources. It is possible that children's books and grade school textbooks have simpler and more accurate interpretations of the Bill of Rights than one person's opinion. Coffsneeze 00:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That looks like a candidate for wikisource to me; is there a simplified Wikisource? --Eptalon 10:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I know of! Huji 13:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The only four simple English projects in existence right now are SE Wikipedia, SE Wiktionary, SE Wikiquote, and SE Wikibooks. I think that a simple English Wikisource is one of the next logical SE projects. It will be a lot of work, and should start on the old Wikisource server rather than separately, perhaps (unless they've changed their former policy of using the old server for small projects until they're large enough to merit a wikisource of their own), but I think that it and a simple English WikiNews seem to be the next things we need. Both seem to be straightforward applications of the SE ideal of bringing information to people who want to use English (not another language) but don't know it very well, for whatever reason. No one who accepts simple English Wikipedia's validity should have a problem seeing the validity of an SE Wikisource or WikiNews, I think. Ooh, I just had a bright idea! We should start making simple English pages (versions of existing pages, mostly) on Meta, too! That would be highly useful, in ways that don't even apply here. There are already a few things on Meta that are put in simple English (like the Quarto, I think), but most of Meta is about as complicated as English generally gets. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 04:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I made a page on shields but didn't have the imformation to complete it, could I ask of some smart people to enter the page and complete it, and try to place it all in ABC order, order based on time of invention [in history,] or some other order. Please add as many shields as possible. the site is HERE

-Niko {Nikro}

My user name is Nikro, but i misspelled it Niko when creating an account. please change my name for me. for prove, check out my Wikipedia account is Here.

Nikro, it would be a better idea to submit username change requests on the talk page of one of the active bureaucrats. (These are the guys who have the permission to change a username.) I have brought this to User:Vector's attention on his/her talk page. Huji 07:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, from now on, plase sign your posts on talk pages and on Simple talk, by typing ~~~~ at the end of your message. It would be automatically replaced with your signature. Huji 07:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vector is a guy. --§ Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 07:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I did sign my name, sorry. Thx :) 70.130.181.203 11:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've renamed you. Archer7 - talk 14:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the message shown on the bottom of the anonymous users' talk pages (example), can be made a little nicer in look, and a little more easy to distinguish from the content added to the page. Currently it shows as:

This is the user talk page for a user who is not using an account. Their IP address is used to identify them. IP addresses can be shared by more than one computer so anonymous users may get messages that are not meant for them. If you are an anonymous user and you are getting messages not meant for you, please create an account or log in.

I suggest this to be changed to such (more or less like English Wikipedia):

This is the user talk page for a user who is not using an account. Their IP address is used to identify them. IP addresses can be shared by more than one computer so anonymous users may get messages that are not meant for them. If you are an anonymous user and you are getting messages not meant for you, please create an account or log in.

The change should be applied here by an administrator. Please comment here if there are objections. Otherwise, I believe we should assume "Silence equals consent" as described on Consensus Policy. Thanks, Huji 14:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the change. Indeed your proposed message looks better.--Eptalon 10:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. There are a few other messages and templates which I should have a look into. I will propose them here later on Huji 18:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you take a look at Special:Contributions/201.53.191.9, you will see that (by the time of this writing) more than 20 articles have been created about Brazilian (correct me if I'm wrong) soccer teams. These are of unknown notability, and the articles are so short that they might even match with the criteria of speedy deletion of short articles. What do you think? Huji 18:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted the lot. Majorly (talk) 18:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I find this article long and confusing. One reason is there is the Disneyland Resort which consists of two parks Disneyland Park and Disney's California Adventure. There is also Disneyland Paris, Toyko Disneyland and Hong Kong Disneyland. I would like to break the main article up into Disneyland Park, Disneyland Resort and Disney's California Adventure. Eventually the other Disneyland's could have their own articles written. However, being fairly new to Simple I wanted to run this by others. If the three articles are separated, should Disneyland be redirected to Disneyland Resort, Disneyland Park or another page that would list all of the parks with a common theme? I prefer Disneyland Resort. Thank you --DizFreak 20:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think we don't need to start with breaking them to three seperate articles. Start by giving a definiion of Disney Land and its history. Clarify that there are more than one Disney Lands in the world right now. Then create sections about each of them. If we find a section deserves a separate article, we can create that article later on. Keep up the good work! - Huji ^reply 10:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. My concern was that the article would be quite long with the large number of theme parks named Disneyland. I will start on the article rewrite today and appreciate any help over at the Disneyland Talk page.--DizFreak 19:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure - Huji ^reply 20:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I found quite a few articles that could use the link to Simple Wiktionary, but I don't know how to put that box on the page. What's the code for putting it on a page? Nancysing 01:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Try this: {{Wiktionarypar| name of article goes here}}. Isis 02:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That template is for English Wiktionary. {{wiktionary}} is for Simple English Wiktionary. J Di 10:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. I didn't mean to put that one as the link. I was tired and didn't realize it. Isis 13:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great to see that people are starting to use/link to SEWT more and more! We'd be happy to have any editors interested in helping out over there. I'd really like it if someone wanted to beautify (and make more useful) some of our uglier pages like our Community portal. We even have some things over there (like another list for simple English, the British National Corpus spoken frequency list) that are probably valuable here as well. I'll try to become active here again, too. Oh, and don't forget that SE Wikiquote and SE Wikibooks are also out there and working to improve and grow. Let's make these wikis truly great! --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 23:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simple English is also known as Sindish {Simple + English } . Books of this subject are found in every country . Advantages of Simple English are:

1. Everywhere you go in the world you will find someone who speaks it.
2. Business is done in Simple English.
3. The verb tenses are simple.
4. The majority of the world's news coverage is in English .
5. 90% of the web is in English
6. It is spoken in more places on the planet than any other language.
7. It is comprised of words from many of the other languages of the world, making it truly international.
8. It is easily adaptable and very flexible.
9. It is not discriminatory such as are other languages with male female versions.
10. World wide language, Internet main language, easy syntax, easy to build up words.
11. Most widely accepted language in a professional environment: medical, aviation, financial, etc...
12. Massive amount of internet pages in Sindish {Simple + English }-- one of the largest languages.
13. Easy to type! Only 26 letters. No special accents.
14. Letters are very easy to read and write. All characters consist of straight angular lines or simple curves and circles.
15. It is used throughout the world in the technology and business sectors.
16. Wherever you travel, you can likely find a person who speaks Simple English Sindish {Simple + English)

--Basant5 09:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your post. I reformatted that to be more useful. I can't figure out why you posted the above here, but I noticed you added Sindish to the requested articles list. - Huji ^reply 16:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sindish does not seem to be a very common term. Indeed, all google hits seem to be about Jedi knights, wizards or something along those lines. Looks like a hoax to me. --rimshot^talk 09:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The description provided by Basant5 describes the widespread use of the English language by non-native speakers. However, I don't know that what they use is actually a particular language called Simple English as found in this Wikipedia (and certainly not "Sindish"). The term "English as a Lingua Franca" ("ELF") is becoming current among linguistics and translation professionals. I think we'll be seeing and hearing more and more about ELF in the future, and the Simple English Wikipedia will be increasingly popular. -- Deborahjay 22:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are articles on individual video games allowed? If not, why isn't there any info about the video games on the main article? Don't people want to find out info about the video games? Panda Bear 01:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind giving an example of such a game? It is not quite clear whether you are talking about one computer game in a series of computer games, a certain board game, Playstation games or anything else. The first computer game I checked, Grand Theft Auto, had information about the series as well as one particular game of the series. I guess this reflects the coverage of Simple English Wikipedia pretty well: there are some articles on individual games and many are still missing. If you don't plan on writing more than a few lines about individual games of a series, it's probably best to just put the information in the main article of the series. If you weren't talking about computer game series, try to make your question a bit clearer. Best regards, --rimshot^talk 09:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone simplify this for me, please? "Engrish refers to grammatically incorrect variations of English often found in East Asian countries." Panda Bear 21:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Engrish is a word. It is used to talk about versions of English with grammar errors in them. Engrish can be found in East Asian countries, mostly" --Eptalon 22:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello community,

I hereby announce that Caffeine and Japanese tea ceremony are the first two very good articles in this wikipedia. They meet all the criteria for such articles (except the agreement of 3 editors). If you find other articles that have a similar standard of writing, you can nominate them here. On that page you will also find other candidates that can be made into very good articles with little effort. Named editors can also vote on proposed very good articles.

We got the process started --Eptalon 21:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great work, guys :). I'll see if I can get to work on some articles :-P. Nishkid64 (talk) 23:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats to everyone. This is *great*! Should this be considered the same thing as FA on EWP or is this a step in the process? If it is the same thing, we probably need to put it somewhere besides "peer review" (on its own page) and we should maybe see if we can find a better name, more like "featured," but still simple English. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 23:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is the same as Featured Article. At the moment, we have between 20 and 40 regular editors, so I think that it can live under Peer review (on its own page),as it does currently. I personally do not expect more than 1-2 new very good article propositions a week, at most. We might need to beef up the template somewhat, and perhaps have a proposed very good article template, for all those that meet most criteria, but have not yet been voted on. --Eptalon 00:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea of a "proposed very good article" template. It might also encourage voting to mark on the actual page that it is currently under discussion, which has certainly been a struggle in the past--hasn't it Eptalon? ;-) lol. We've been kicking around ideas so long that it's exciting to see it finally start to happen! Maybe we can even do a featured article on the main page, perhaps weekly for a while until we have a larger number of VG articles. · Tygartl1^·talk· 01:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese tea ceremony is an article related to Japan, and it's a very good article. Go Japan! Panda Bear 22:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Go, and find more articles like these, and nominate them. I have no problem at all with articles about Japan.  :) --Eptalon 22:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good job. But for the next ones, I prefer to see articles with more than one source. - Huji ^reply 13:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about this? "The term originates from the fact that Japanese (as well as several other East Asian languages) does not have separate sounds for R and L. In Japanese the R sound is pronounced as an alveolar lateral flap (ɺ), articulated with the tongue flapped against the hard palate behind the front teeth, so that it sounds like a Spanish soft R. Because Japanese does not have a separate equivalent for the English L, native Japanese speakers not fluent in English often mispronounce English words containing the letter L. While the term mocks the accent, it is used mainly without malice in reference to humorous misuses, puns, and double entendres within written English, not difficulties in pronunciation. For example, election might be pronounced erection."

And this?

"Blender was developed as an in-house application by the Dutch animation studio NeoGeo (not to be confused with the Neo-Geo game console) and Not a Number Technologies (NaN). It was primarily authored by Ton Roosendaal, who had previously written a ray tracer called Traces for Amiga in 1989. The name "Blender" was inspired by a song by Yello, from the album Baby.

Roosendaal founded NaN in June 1998 to further develop and distribute the program. The program was initially distributed as shareware until NaN went bankrupt in 2002.

The creditors agreed to release Blender under the terms of the GNU General Public License, for a one-time payment of €100,000 (approximately US$102,000 as of September 2002). On July 18, 2002, a Blender funding campaign was started by Roosendaal in order to collect donations and on September 7, 2002 it was announced that enough funds had been collected and that the Blender source code would be released. Blender is now an open source program being actively developed under the supervision of the Blender Foundation.

The Blender Foundation initially reserved the right to use dual licensing, so that, in addition to GNU GPL, Blender would have been available also under the "Blender License", which did not require disclosing source code but required payments to the Blender Foundation. However, this option was never exercised and was suspended indefinitely in 2005. Currently, Blender is solely available under GNU GPL." Panda Bear 18:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have spent much of my time on getting more very good articles. For this, I have made a new template, pvgood. It can be used for articles which meet at least half the criteria needed, and which are listed on respective peer review page. The idea is that once all criteria are met, the article can be voted on, to be included in the very good articles category. At that time, the templare can be replaced by vgood. So, if you find such an article which might qualify, please use the template, and list it here. Thanks. --Eptalon 20:09, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the time you've put on it. Could you give it a more official look? Like, creating a project page, defining the submission and voting standards in a better way, rewording the criteria and removing non-official statements like "I propose...", and setting a backlog or archive system up? I would be glad to help with these as well. - Huji ^reply 13:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have written Wikipedia:Requirements for very good articles, which I termed as a guideline; it is also available as WP:VGOOD. So far there is no archive; though we will soon need one. At the moment, the articles that I think stand a chance of becoming very good articles are marked with pvgood; anyone is free to list new ones, as detailed in the requirements (basically: Meet 5 of the 10 requirements listed, and be listed at the proposed very good article page). --Eptalon 15:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This was another thing I thought would be great long ago when I first became active here, so I'm glad that this aspect is getting off the ground! I think we also need to put in place a system for removal from vgood article status similar to the "former featured" system on English Wikipedia. This way, when an article is changed in a way that makes it no longer a vgood article (such as an edit war over a minor point that ends up clogging the article in a non-ideal state), someone can remove its status, while stating the reason that it is no longer a vgood article. What do y'all think? --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 04:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is always good that some editors look ahead, to solve a problem, before it arises. At the moment, we have two (2) very good articles. There are six (6) more in the queue (proposed very good articles). So if we are lucky, we can come up with 8 very good articles, in the near future. Given a 5% change ratio, this means that 0.4 articles would need change. In all honesty, I look forward to the day when we need to come up with a policy to deal with the 5 articles to change, out of the 100 very good articles we have. Let us (20 editors) worry about it at that time. --Eptalon 19:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am uncertain of the exact tone of your comments here, Eptalon. I am particularly thinking of where you say "Let us (20 editors) worry about it at that time." I can see two possible meanings here, and I'd like to think that you mean the nicer one: 1) "We only have a few regular editors and we don't need to worry too much about this issue yet," or 2) "We are regular editors here. You are not. Leave it to the regular editors. You are not welcome here." I'm hoping you meant #1, and your first sentence makes me almost sure of it. Either way, your point that we don't need to worry about this quite yet is a good one. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 05:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I copy-pasted the page "Egyptian Mythology" from en wikipedia (but hid the un-simplified content). It will take a long time for just one person to simplify it. If other people could help, the page could be finished a lot faster. Isis§^(talk) 09:36, 13 December 2024

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