Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States Marshals appointed by Donald Trump

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The result was delete. The only "keep" does not address the reason for deletion. Sandstein 10:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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A list of predominantly non-notable people. Fails the guidelines of stand-alone lists. There is no such list for previous presidents. Collaboratio (talk) 06:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. All redlinks, except for Major General Susan Pamerleau. The president appoints (or in Trump's case, is supposed to appoint) lots of officials (e.g. United States Attorney). Marshals are not of sufficient prominence that people pay much attention to who appoints them as a group. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:41, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Who's Who in Alaskan Politics, written by credible authors (Evangeline Atwood and R. N. DeArmond) and published by a reputable publisher (Binford & Mort), refers to the office of Marshal for the District of Alaska as a notable office going all the way back to the position's establishment in 1884 under the United States territorial court. Therefore, this may be yet another attempt by Wikipedians to push their personal opinions about a pecking order of titles rather than an attempt to reflect what's notable about the world as found in reliable sources. Tying this into Donald Trump is the obvious problem here. That the position of Marshal is not as highly political as it was decades ago may also be the problem. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 22:20, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Looks like valid list. If we have such lists for other presidents is irrelevant. My very best wishes (talk) 01:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I do not see in Category:United States Marshals Service any similar lists of appointments by previous presidents - although many such appointments are made by every president. I spot-checked about 2 dozen of the men and woman in Category:United States Marshals and every one I checked clearly got to be notable for doing something else. 250 marshals since George Washington works out to marshalls becoming notable only at the rate of about 1 per year. Even the current Director of the United States Marshal Service is not bluelinked. Moreover each nominee is supported by a single source, almost always to congress.gov although an occassional news article (Probation Officer Nominated as Marshal in North Mississippi) indicates that better sourcing may be available. Nor am I seeing WP:SIGCOV on the topic: Trump appointments of United States Marshalls. E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:06, 6 August 2019 (UTC) Note to ivoters and closing administrator: E.M.Gregory is a blocked sock. Lightburst (talk) 12:11, 9 August 2019 (UTC) [reply]

There is absolutely no requirement that every individual item in a list should be notable. My very best wishes (talk) 01:37, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But there is a requirement that the list is in some sense notable. Where's that? Bondegezou (talk) 10:05, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My very best wishes, if you could find SIGCOV of the topic, that is, articles about Trump's selection of candidates for marshal appointments. I searched for such, but if there is coverage of this as a topic that cold be persuasive.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:15, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A head of the United States Marshals service for the entire state (e.g. Colorado) is obviously a significant position. Only such people are included in the list. It does not mean that individual people are notable enough to have their own page (some could be). But as I said, there is no requirement that every individual item in a list should be notable. This list is a reasonable supplement to page United States Marshals, I do not see any problems. My very best wishes (talk) 18:16, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That might be true for a simple list of marshals, but this is one for a specific president. And despite his record of generating chaos, he hasn't done so (yet) in this particular area (cross fingers). Clarityfiend (talk) 19:17, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that should be a more general list, but one should start from something. My very best wishes (talk) 18:19, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:8CCF:747C:B4E6:7CB0:7320 (talk) 04:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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