Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sons of Azrael (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Overall, I'm seeing a consensus to keep the article here. (non-admin closure) ~ Tails Wx 22:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Band exited, two of the members died.. existence is not notability. WP:NALBUM not established. Graywalls (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and New York. Graywalls (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep They probably meet WP:BAND criteria #1 with coverage like [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
  And definitely meet criteria #5:
  Has released two or more albums on [...] one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).
  Metal Blade Records has been established for 42 years and has numerous other notable acts; a quick search shows this group has released at least two albums on that label. RachelTensions (talk) 02:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Much of those coverage are reflections/opinion blogs. Graywalls (talk) 03:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Even if you disregard all the reviews I linked to (but you shouldn't), they still unequivocally meet WP:BAND notability criteria #5. RachelTensions (talk) 16:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Allmusic bio and two reviews, Blabbermouth review.. Reviews are opinions, but are considered reliable if there is editorial oversight. The previous AFD also mentioned a couple of finds in Newspapers.com. Geschichte (talk) 08:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There's also a review from Metal Injection. toweli (talk) 10:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Toweli:, can we ascertain if it's a notability establishing reliable source? It says an online publication. So, we first have to see if it's more along a blog, WP:HUFFPOCON, or closer to Vogue magazine. The wiki article had an exhaustive EMPLOYEE DIRECTORY in it.. so I'm not feeling too confident. Graywalls (talk) 01:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The state of the Wikipedia article is of course irrelevant. What matters is editorial oversight of reviews, which stops random people from reviewing anonymously. Geschichte (talk) 15:42, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A zine consisting of members of one or two bands can have an editorial oversight. Such is completely useless in notability though. Graywalls (talk) 19:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Metal Injection is listed as a reliable source at Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: That discussion is just your response to a long list of sources. LINK No discussion other than your opinionated it's reliable. Nothing followed acknowledging/refuting. Graywalls (talk) 22:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't make an assessment of Metal Injection or any of the sources except Bloody Disgusting. Most of the assessment including Metal Injection was by @Sergecross73:, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Metal Injection has been on WP:RSMUSIC for a long time without any contention I can recall. It has no restrictions on its use either. I believe it counts toward notability. Sergecross73 msg me 23:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what you are referring to by "zine consisting of members of one or two bands". What it looks like is making up fictitious types of sources, and grasping at one straw after another. Furthermore, it would benefit the discussion if you stopped bludgeoning it. Geschichte (talk) 23:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep has reliable sources coverage such as AllMusic and Metal Injection and some newspaper articles linked in the previous AfD discussion. Overall there is enough coverage to pass WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - The many sources found by all the "keep" voters above are more than enough to establish notability, at least pertaining to the extreme metal community. The many album reviews have editorial oversight, and several have some band history that can be used to flesh out the article. Color me suspicious of the nominator's initial reasoning (no sign of WP:BEFORE) and continuing resistance to different opinions. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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