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	The South Ossetian Barnstar of National Merit
	You are hounoured with the medal of the South Ossetian Barnstar of National merit for your work in the South Ossetia Article. This is the first South Ossetian barnstar of national merit since its creation on 21 May 2012. Mir Almaat Ali Almaat ☏ From Trivandrum, Kerala, India(UTC+5:30) 06:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, well I don't know what I've done to deserve this, but ok, thanks. --Hibernian (talk) 07:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Saw some edits you've done there. They seem to be good.Mir Almaat Ali Almaat ☏ From Trivandrum, Kerala, India(UTC+5:30) 11:26, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As the subject seems to be of your interest, and you are an experienced editor, would be very appreciated your opinion in this, as yet, non-consensual and critical talk. Thanks, Excalibursword (talk) 17:17, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't know why you are asking me. I don't even understand what this dispute is about and I have no particular interest or knowledge in that subject. --Hibernian (talk) 01:37, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two articles that you have been involved in editing, Amadu Seku and Amadu Amadu, have each been moved twice since 15 February 2013 (to "Seku Amadu II" & "Amadu II of Masina", and to "Seku Amadu III" & "Amadu III of Masina," respectively). Proposals have been made to move the articles back to their original titles. If you are interested in these discussions, please participate by going to the discussion pages here and here, and adding your comments. Thank you.--A12n (talk) 03:08, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another editor has unilaterally deleted the entire content of an article to which you contributed many edits, with the comment, "lets see who squeals." I've restored it, but I figured you might want to know what's going on. NCdave (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I've commented on the article's talk page. --Hibernian (talk) 15:50, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have seen your maps recently on another website (" Mapping the Slavic Tribes for "The Old Gods") . You struggled where to put Avars on the map. There are two possible regions for them. 1, Vienna Basin/Pannonia. In 805 the Avars with Charlemagne's permission, led by the Avar khagan, settled south-eastward from Vienna. There are written sources from 871 about Avars in Pannonia (I would say it was an Avar/Slavic region). 2, Solitudo Avarorum (Great Hungarian Plain), the number of the Avar graves is high in that region, moreover new Hungarian genetic researches on ancient bones (by Balazs Gusztav Mende) seem to prove Avar continuity between 8th and 10 centuries. It may also help that during the Avar rule Slavs were settled (by the Avars) to the border regions of the Avar Khaganate for defense purposes.

I would like to correct the settlement of Magyars at territories of present-day Ukraine. They belong to the "Subotcy find horizon"[1]. Link: [2]. So, I would say the Hungarian Etelkoz was situated mainly in regions of Kirovohrad, Dnepropetrovsk and Mykolaiv. Fakirbakir (talk) 20:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry for forgetting to include the edit summary! As you note, the image is inaccurate and should not be used. What is the utility of an inaccurate life restoration? The purpose of a life restoration is to show how the animal may reasonably have looked in life. The image is wrong in several important ways not the least of which the shape/size of the head and shape/anatomy of the beak, so it is actively misleading about the way the animal looked in life. MMartyniuk (talk) 12:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alright fine, I just thought it would be better to have a slightly inaccurate image then none at all. But ok I'll defer to you on this one, though you shouldn't delete someone's edit without explanation. --Hibernian (talk) 17:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding your edit here were you identified that the source www.pravda.com.ua (=Ukrayinska Pravda) as Pravda. www.pravda.com.ua=Ukrayinska Pravda. But thanks for the improvement/edit anyhow. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:05, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was just doing it because the web links were too long and that causes the page to get extended in a weird looking way. I wasn't intending to do a proper referencing. --Hibernian (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello my friend :) i just want to thank you for fixing all the bare URLs in the article. Much of it was my fault. But from now on there will be no more bare URLs from my side. Once again thank you my friend :) Lactasamir (talk) 19:48, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, no problem. --Hibernian (talk) 21:31, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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	The Photographer's Barnstar
	For what may very well be the silliest yet relevant original photograph on Wikipedia Joshua Garner (talk) 04:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, thanks dude. --Hibernian (talk) 17:25, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The issue with 100% size (actually, it is not 100%, but 85%) is the number of parties. The table is designed in such a way in order to allow for a large number of parties to be located within the same row without conflicting with the table too much (which is what happens with a larger font size). A new format could be discussed, but you would have to implement it to all articles having that table, not just to the 2011 election one (which I don't understand why you edited only that one but left the others unedited). Impru20 (talk) 08:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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It was a long time ago, but as I recall, this image was one of many that were scanned in by a member of the group Technocracy Inc. (who I was in contact with at the time). He got all the photos from their archives and got permission from their headquarters to upload them to Wikipedia and other sites (such as the group's then website). He told us that all the photos he had in his online gallery could be used on Wikipedia and so I selected a few and uploaded them. I'm not sure what proof I can offer of that, but that's the way it happened. Since their website has been down for some time, I'm not sure how to contact them. --Hibernian (talk) 03:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I didn't see anything that contradicts what I did in that Manual of Style the first time you linked it, and I don't see anything now. What exactly is your problem with my edit? --Hibernian (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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	The human and horse... and all the rest, what a notable contribution :v Iugigx (talk) 18:56, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thanks a lot then. --Hibernian (talk) 14:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems you are very similar to me in several areas judging from your userboxes on your userpage. The Ninja5 Empire (Talk) 12:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, I guess so. Not that many people know the greatness of many, many userboxes anymore! Hibernian (talk) 04:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Hibernian, I hope all is well in your corner of the world?

If you've got a moment to spare, I was wondering if I might be able to ask you something.

Currently, I am doing some research into ancient Ireland. For a while, I've been trying to track down a specific source which relates to the 'Metal Ages' in Ireland, but I am having a great deal of difficulty in tracking it down.

I have been wondering if an Irish wikipedian with an interest in ancient Ireland might be able to assist, and after poking around a bit, I figured you might be the natural 'go to' person, based on your past edits and of course your wikipedia handle!

Anyway if you have a few minutes free, I'd be appreciative if I could 'pick your brain'. And if not, if you could point me to someone else who might be in the know, that would be a great help as well.

Thanks in advance, any help at all would be much appreciated.

Inchiquin (talk) 21:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't respond earlier.

I know a bit about the subject. I'll give a quick rundown of the different stages of Irish prehistory.

The Mesolithic hunter-gatherer period is when humans first colonised Ireland, about 8000 BC. Then a new people arrived in the 4500 BC, bringing farming, that's the Neolithic period.

The first use of metal in Ireland comes in the Copper Age (or Chalcolithic), around 2500 BC. That was brought by the migration of the Beaker People (or Bell Beaker Culture), who may have been Indo-Europeans. They came with knowledge of Copper and Gold metallurgy, but no bronze yet. There are some early copper mines found in Kerry.

Bronze metallurgy technology comes to Ireland around 2000 BC and the Bronze Age is then subdivided into Early, Middle and Late periods (with a seemingly increasing militarisation of the society throughout the period, with weapons becoming more common and more sophisticated, such as longer swords). A huge amount of amazing gold artifacts come from the Copper and Bronze Ages, more than any later period. Ireland was also exporting a lot of gold to other European regions.

The start of the Irish Iron Age is a little more difficult to pin down. The usual date I've seen is 600 to 500 BC. But there are some iron artifacts showing up as early as 800 BC, though maybe its better to think of that as a Bronze Age/Iron Age transition period.

As for books on the subject, well I don't know off the top of my head a book that deals specifically with the "metal ages", but there are several general prehistory/archeological books that cover the topic.

The Oxford publication "A New History of Ireland, Volume I: Prehistoric and Early Ireland" has plenty of info, though it may be somewhat out of date now.

I recently read JP Mallory's "The Origins of the Irish", which has a good rundown of the current state of Irish archeology (well current in 2013, and that book was written before any ancient DNA evidence was known, which is a downside when trying to achieve the objective of the book and figure out where the Irish people came from, which has now been definitively answered by the DNA, but doesn't affect the good archeological info in it).

There might be a few others that I'm forgetting right now, and there probably are specialist publications that I'm not aware of.

But I'd be happy to try to answer any other questions you might have, to the best of my ability (can't guarantee I'll have the answers though). Hibernian (talk) 11:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hibernian, thanks for getting back to me, it is much appreciated.

Funny you mention that J.P Mallory book, I just happened to be leafing through it just before I read your message!

Mallory's book ties into the troublesome source which I have been trying to pin down. Bascially, I am sure I recall reading somewhere about an Irish scholar - I think from the early or mid 20th century- who had a theory that the first 'Celts' in ireland arrived on the island of Ireland as mineral prospectors or miners.

For the life of me, I can't remember where I read this (indeed, I'm starting to wonder if I might have imagined it).

I thought the elusive scholar in question might have been mentioned somewhere in Mallory's 'The Origins of the Irish', but even though I have been carefully re-reading through it page by page, I haven't been able to find what I am looking for so far.

Another possibility I considered was that the theorist in question might have been the early 20th century historian O'Rahilly: it seemed to me that he might have been a likely contender, however, after reading through his work, 'Early Irish History and Mythology', I don't think the notion that the mineral resources of Ireland were the drawcard for the Celts was one of his ideas.

In short, I am trying to pin down the name of the scholar/historian who theorised several decades ago that the Celts were affiliated with early mining in Ireland.

If this rings a bell, let me know, I'd definetly be interested in hearing and it would be of considerable assistance. However, even if you can't exactly bring up the name, I'd be interested to know if this is something you can recall reading somewhere (if only to reassure myself that I didn't dream this up...)

Thanks again for your attention,

Inchiquin (talk) 14:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not that familiar with all of the old 20th century theories on this matter.

I'd recommend watching this very good lecture by Mallory from 2018. I saw him give the same lecture in Dublin that year and got to talk to him afterwards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdLUcBbYZqU

In that lecture he mentions R. A. Stewart Macalister, maybe it was that scholar that you're thinking of? But I don't know.

The thing is though, we know that sort of theory can't be correct now. The DNA evidence tells a different story. We now know that the modern Irish population is mostly descended from the Copper Age Beaker People, who were probably Indo-European speakers, originally from the Yamnaya culture of Southern Ukraine/Russia (the Pontic Steppe). They arrived in Ireland around 2500 BC and seem to have mostly replaced the previous Neolithic population (we have about 85% Beaker People DNA today, only 10% Neolithic and maybe 5% Mesolithic).

But there is no DNA evidence of any other migration or invasion from outside people into Ireland after that point, until the Viking Age (9th c AD) and the Anglo-Norman invasions (after 1169). There was no migration of a new people in the Bronze Age or the Iron Age. So Celtic language and culture could not have come to Ireland from a continental invasion/migration, it must have come some other way. Mallory believes it happened gradually with contact from Celtic traders in the Bronze Age/ Iron Age transition period, when the great Hill forts were built and the culture becomes more warlike.

When it comes to metal prospecting, Ireland doesn't have much iron deposits, I believe bog iron was mainly used during the whole of the iron age and the middle ages and up to recent times. Not many mines as far as I know. So it would seem like a not very good prospect for iron. There is certainly copper that was mined from the beginning of the copper age, which seems to have been important in the Copper and Bronze ages. Don't think there was any tin (that mostly had to come from Cornwall and parts of France). And like I was saying, gold seems to have been abundant in the Copper and Bronze age in Ireland. Even enough for it to be widely exported from the island. Though gold then becomes scarce in the Iron age and afterwards. I believe most gold mining in the prehistoric period was done with panning in rivers, rather than underground mines (and a technique where you catch gold particles in a sheep's fleece). Hibernian (talk) 15:02, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Hibernian.

Yes, interesting thought. Macalister is certainly a possibility, he did moot a number of interesting arguments in relation to ancient Ireland.

I agree with you in as much as many of the theories from the early 20th century are problematic based on modern evidence, and in some cases, untenable. The spark for my hunt for this elusive scholar was some feedback I recieved for an article draft, the suggestion being to provide more background relating to past thinking and theories around mining in Ireland.

It did strike me that the old idea might have been mentioned in one other book I haven't picked through, one of those from the 'Celtic from the West' series. I might see if I can get hold off it.

Thanks again,

Inchiquin (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, this is quite an odd request, but in September 2022, you created a topic on the talk page of the file "2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.svg", saying that the names of certain towns on the map where being displayed in Russian. I replied with possible tips on fixing the issue, but you never replied back. I now have someone else dealing with the same issue, down to the same towns being in Russian. I'm wondering, do you remember if you were ever able to get the file to display correctly, and if you did, how you got it to work? I know it's a long shot, but if you remember, it would be very helpful in helping this other person! Physeters^✉ 20:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I remember the map problems. I've checked the map as it is on the article page currently, and I don't see any issues with it today. All text seems to be in the Latin alphabet for me. Also remember that there's a difference between Russian and Cyrillic. Ukrainian also uses Cyrillic. Cyrillic is the writing system, Russian and Ukrainian are languages that use that system. But I don't know anything about how the map text really works, I can only report that at the moment it seems to be fine for me. Hibernian (talk) 11:33, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]