Talk:United Abominations

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there are three songs I found at some sites, these sites give the lyrics to the three songs. They are: 2552; Code Of Annihilation; and Interrogation Contraption. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.167.111.154 (talk) 23:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Can someone provide a link that says Burnt Ice is the Japan bonus? Because the Blabbermouth article seemed to imply that Out on the Tiles was the bonus. Adamravenscroft 16:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

N/m, article has been changed now. Adamravenscroft 17:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't sleepwalker available for free download from their site? Can anyone write an article on that song based on that? The quality is 160 kbps, so you can clearly hear it... It is something of a cross betweenthrash metal and speed metal, but has a soft intro. It has a high speed and good usage of double bass drums. Mustaine's rhythem guitar is as raunchy and fast as ever. The solo also rocks.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.92.175.218 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Check this out: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=66101 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.16.177.75 (talk) 19:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Should this sentence be under a trivia? "Some members of the Megadeth Fanclub were allowed to listen to the songs of United Abominations in the recording studio." Skitwikipedia 20:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone supply a link to that entry on dA? I can't find any top 11 on dA itself. --80.242.165.50 09:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I heard roadrunner is releasing this in 4 months, is this true, if so what tracks will be on it?--E tac 01:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anytime I hear a special edition referenced, it is usually just a sarcastic dig at RoadRunner's reputation for releasing multiple versions of the same album. It's not official.Palomo1 09:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why has some stupid idiot removed the information about when the album was leaked? 80.229.169.189 10:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well now, somebody ought to teach that "stupid idiot" some couth! Oddity- 23:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lol I was unaware that there were some intelligent idiots out there. :D Dan 01:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BurningClean, I see you reverted my edit - why? The points you raised are completely invalid (no offence, I'm just saying). First of all, something DAVE MUSTAINE says on the official Megadeth website is about as reliable as you can get while relating to Megadeth. Next, you said they belong on singles - no, they are planned for release on special editions of the album United Abominations, not the song. Indeed, Black Swan was available for certain preorders, and the other two are being planned for another special edition of United Abominations (which is sure to come, due to the fact that Megadeth is now on Roadrunner Records, a label that almost always re-releases albums). Hope this clears it up. Dan (talk) 23:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to raise this to FA status, forum sources don't fly. It could be someone saying they are Dave, but really aren't. You never know with a forum. Black Swan was a pre order for a single and is not notable. If the album gets re-released, then we can add the extra songs, but not until then because they are not notable. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 00:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about!? This forum is the official Megadeth forum (www.megadeth.com then go to fans -> talk), it is definitely Dave Mustaine and if you actually read all of his messages it is obvious. Next, Black Swan was a downloadable bonus track if you preordered the ALBUM, not a single. The singles for this albums had no other songs at all but the main song. Dan (talk) 01:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it is the official forum it is not reliable. Look at WP:RS. I'm positive I know what I am talking about, i have written a featured article, featured list, and three good articles. How many have you? None that I noticed. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 01:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have read it, it states nothing about an official forum being unreliable (nor anything about forums in general). I notice you seem very defensive about this, which is unfortunate as it's just a website. Anyways, if you insist to hide what has been proven, so be it; however, when the special edition of United Abominations will be released, I'll be waiting with a nice "I Told You So" :). Another thing we could do is get an administrator to consider the situation, and since you're the big man here writing wikipedia articles, I'll let you do that. Cheers. Dan (talk) 01:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Read any upkept FA or GA, you will not find forums. It is not a reliable source and that is it. I don't really care if it gets re-released, because guess what, then you have a reliable source to use! So congrats if/when it does! And if you really want to say "I Told You So", I could report that as a personal attack. Boy, an "I told you so" shure is a "big man" thing to say. If you want an administrator involved, be my guest. The point is, is that, the source is unreliable and that info is un-notable. Thank you, —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 01:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once again you seem to be taking everything so personally... I don't see why, but it's your choice to do so. Just so you know, my "I Told You So" comment was tongue-in-cheek, and about the administrator, I was talking about having said person decide the outcome of this situation. Also, if you consider "I Told You So" as a personal attack you may want to get more social contact (friendly suggestion). One more thing, then I'm done with this topic: I'd think that songs on a tracklist are quite notable and useful for an article about an album. That is all. Dan (talk) 01:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WOOOOOO!!! If "I Told You So" wasn't a personal attack, then "you may want to get more social contact" certainly was! You just made me laugh. I'm not talking personal, I am talking guidelines, just to clarify... again. The tracks are most definatly not notable if it is not released. Is a Metallica track that was recorded for Load but never released notable? Nope, because aparently the songs that do appear on the album are not notable enough for an article. Cheers, —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 02:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the only reason I'm replying now is to make sure you don't think that the moronic point you made makes you "win" this idiotic conversation. First of all, it seems you skim through my comments - for example, the social contact comment was immediately followed by "(friendly suggestion)", and even if it wasn't, it is still not a personal attack; therefore, said comment still applies. Next, by using your logic, any songs planned for a future album (example: Revelation Abomination (Something Wicked Part 2) by Iced Earth) are not notable, because they haven't been released yet. Of course they haven't, but they will be, and reliable sources state this. Also, about "Load", just to make a point, but all songs that were not released on Load were released on ReLoad, so you could have chosen a better example; however, no, it wouldn't be, because they hadn't been recorded yet; Black Swan was recorded and released (I happen to have it in case you don't believe me); The Bodies Left Behind has been recorded; Megadeth released a clip from the demo of it, and I also happen to have this. Special live track is currently unknown, so I am not sure what to say about that. One thing is for sure though, they will be released, and there is a reliable source for it. Finally, for a person who has written so many good/featured articles, your spelling could definitely use some looking over. Cheers. Dan (talk) 06:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't skim, I read the whole thing. You just really want a warning don't you? "(friendly suggestion)" makes a comment no better, and I highly doubt you really meant friendly. Have you heard of the Metallica paint cans? They have tracks from Load sessions that weren't released up until now. The Iced earth songs can be there because they have a proper (unlike forums) citation, and it has the future album template at the top. I really don't care if my spelling is bad, it is because I type fast and miss mistakes, and it just usually gets copyedited by users who know what they are doing anyway. Didn't you start this "idiodic" conversation? —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 22:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, this is my last message in this topic. First of all, yes, I was indeed being friendly with that suggestion because if you find "I Told You So" an insulting attack, then you may want to get some thicker skin and get more social contact. Next, you said if a song was not released, then it was not notable - by that logic, the Iced Earth example stands. Thirdly, I don't see why official forums cannot be taken seriously, especially when the founder and only original remaining member of the band POSTS there regularly. You are seeing things in black and white, not willing to go into gray areas, and this results in you looking narrow minded and inflexible, which is a negative for you, not me. This has turned into an IDIOTIC (if you're going to quote me at least spell it right) conversation because you (for lack of a better term) have your head so far up your ass that you cannot see past non-strict, unspecific rules (yes, offense is meant). I will admit that you have quite some skill for making articles look very good, and for that I commend you, although I hope that this is an isolated incident. This is my final post relating to this. Dan (talk) 04:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is something wrong with my eyes? I think I am seeing gray. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 04:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I told you so" is not a personal attack, don't be oversensitive. And someone may have 100 FA, I don't know why that makes their point about something right and other people's wrong. That's actually a fallacy. Anyway, nobody said anything to me but I'll still say what I think here: I think the source can be used. That's like saying: "Oh, you can't use MYSpace as a source". Of course not, if you're talking about having John Doe's myspace saying something about a book. But if someone has his official myspace and has information there, it is just as reliable as a press statement or their official website. The point is: Don't take the rule blindly. Understand what is behind it and why it exists. Then you can choose the best option. And when the founding member of a band prefers, instead of releasing statements in a website, to release it in his band's official forum so the fans can discuss, I don't see what is the problem.--Serte ^{[ Talk · Contrib ]} 12:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I take no offence in "I Told You So", I just think it is rude for people to say. With the FA thing, I don't care either, there are tons of great editors that are capable of alot of FAs. I was trying to give an example. Seriously, forums are not reliable. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 03:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just wrote a guide for United Abominations that was accepted & published through Music-nerds. They mentioned that sometimes if ones guide is in depth or original Wikipedia will accept it's link on the page regarding the guides topic. People tell me my guide's original but I guess I will find out.lol I'm from Canada & the overview(U.A./9-11) & the guide for the track United Abominaions goes into how this CD's contents touched me. Here's the link to get to the guide if anyone's interested in checking it out & letting me know if it can be attached to this page. I love the page; it's really cool.

 http://music-nerds.com/album.php?id=1409

Tell:) Telldark (talk) 05:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Infobox: PopMatters doesn't go in italics
• "The band had troubles with music rights involving two former labels that carried Megadeth, Capitol and Sanctuary Records.[5] This is the first Megadeth album since the 2004 album The System Has Failed - sounds strange...I don't see relation between label problems and this being the album after TSHF...clarify?
• "about the choices the American government makes "that are dumb" - quoting not needed here - just say they're dumb and cite it to him
• "Mustaine stated "We're putting the finishing touches on it. We've got a little more work before it's finished, but it should be out some time next year."" - when did he say this?
• "The Official first pressing of the album, released exclusively in Japan on May 8, and contained a cover of the Led Zeppelin song "Out on the Tiles"" - might want to replace the first comma with a "was" and remove the 2nd. Or do what you like with it - but it doesn't read well at the moment
• Wlink dates in Release and promotion section
• "Megadeth started touring in support of the album in March 2007, starting" - redundancy ("starting")
• "and a North American tour opening" - "and a" --> "followed by"
• "About.com reviewer, Chad Bowar," - neither comma is needed
• "by the reader's pole" - pole --> poll (typo)
• Any negative reviews? The Rolling Stone one in the infobox (3 star) should probably be mentioned (as should the others - no harm in having more content)
• "made in "United Abominations"" - might want to say that this was a song on the album
• "Mustaine also said "Chris is doing just fine"." - merge with previous sentence - eg ", whom he said was "doing just fine"."

And leave a note on my talk page when done. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 00:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eeeeeeeek! Burningclean _[speak] 23:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Passed. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 00:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This section doesn't really belong in this article, as it doesn't specifically relate to "United Abomination". So, if no one objects, I'll remove it, as it already exists in the main Megadeth article. Prophaniti (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This album has many elements from Megadeth's '80s era. It's not hard rock. And without a verifiable citation, it should be taken down. Megadeth is a thrash metal and heavy metal band. If you people want "hard rock", go listen to Metallica's '90s stuff and see if it compares to anything except "Risk." -MetalKommandant (talk) 11:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Read through the article and got to the section of critical reception dealing with Mr. Goldberg's blog. I read the blog, and can't see the point of incliding it in such a prominent manner. More specifically, the descripition of the Mr. Goldberg's critique in this article isn't accurate, as it doesn't so much "point out false accusations" as "nitpick", with no regard for artistic license. I'd rewrite the section, but it looks suspiciously like the kind of thing someone might get huffy about, so I invite the originator to try first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.135.198 (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know what you are trying to say here but this sentence is very bad grammar and should be rewritten. "Abominations is the first Megadeth release distributed through Roadrunner Records, and was recorded with an all new lineup excluding the band's singer, guitarist, songwriter, and frontman Dave Mustaine. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.188.169 (talk) 05:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, on first read the sentence reads to me like the new line-up didn't include Dave Mustaine. Jh39 (talk) 12:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The 25th reference link is incorrectly linked to a review of The World Needs a Hero, instead of United Abominations. Here is the correct link, (http://www.allmusic.com/album/united-abominations-r1042046) someone please correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.143.92 (talk) 03:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that error out. I'll fix it to the correct review.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:44, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:United Abominations/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I am considering trying to improve this article further, but I am a but unsure about its current GA status (due to it having been listed a long time ago). I have achieved a couple of GA nominations before, but I would much prefer a more experienced editor review the article to determine whether it currently meets the GA criteria. Thanks, --L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are probably looking for either a community assessment or a {{GA request}} instead of an individual reassessment. I can look at it in the form of a GA request if you want. AIRcorn (talk) 08:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'm kinda new to the reassessment thing, and I initially wasn't really sure where to take it. If you would check over it that would be great, but if I would do better by taking it to the community reassessment, then that would work, too.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I completely forgot about this. A quick read through does not reveal anything that suggests it should be delisted. In fact it seems a tidy little article. If you are thinking of featured status your best bet would to be to either ask a relevant wikiproject to look at it or take it to WP:Peer review. I will close this as kept for now at least. AIRcorn (talk) 03:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The French voices on the "United Abominations" song are credited as "Renaud Bernard" and "Djamila Zeghoudi" and the US release of the album seems to agree^[1]. However, the Megadeth website^[2] and the Europe release^[3] credit two other people: "Brett Caldas-Lima" and "Marie Soler". Different lyrics websites show the French section as such^[4]:

"The U.N. writes resolution after resolution and has become irrelevant through inaction and totalitarian paralysis,"
"Order, Order!!!"
"Ha! There is no such thing as order"
"Larry, it's true, reports confirm today that the United Nations has officially closed its doors forever,"
"Well, I just don't see what all the fuss is, because they don't do anything anyway, do they?"

But I can't find any version of the song displaying these lyrics. Should different people be credited for different versions, or did the US version disappear and only the Europe one is still around? Lumys.b (talk) 09:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]