Talk:Suspect

On 24 January 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Suspect to Suspect (law enforcement). The result of the discussion was not moved.

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This article currently discusses the use of the word, not the underlying concept, and does so from the perspective of the US legal system. More about the legal sytatus of the suspect, and in other judicial systems, is needed. Cusop Dingle (talk) 17:31, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Perp"

Does anyone really use the term "perp"? -- ypnypn (talk) 04:01, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cambridge.org says it is "US old-fashioned slang", this information should probably be provided. --2.240.205.117 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:16, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's time to delete this page, merge it with Perpetrator do something else with it.

Essentially every sentence is hot garbage and not really worth being a encyclopedia entry.

"A common error in police reports is a witness description of the suspect (as a witness generally describes a perpetrator, while a mug shot is of a suspect). Frequently it is stated that police are looking for the suspect, when there is no suspect; the police could be looking for a suspect, but they are surely looking for the perpetrator, and very often it is impossible to tell from such a police report whether there is a suspect or not."

This is an example. It's just plain wrong. To address it specifically: no the cops are not looking for the perpetrator. They're looking for the suspect that was described to them, who they hope is the perpetrator or hope is a witness.

"In law enforcement jargon, a suspect is a known person accused or suspected of committing a crime. "

Again, untrue. This sentence is the basis for the entire (small) paragraph that follows and is essentially the only entry on "suspect." Legal definitions are entirely pointless when dealing with words that are not nearly exclusively used by the justice systems of the world, because they are, by definition, jurisdictional. 2600:6C54:7900:CD7:61E5:2ABE:D8FF:9F2 (talk) 02:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 January 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No such user (talk) 13:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suspect → Suspect (law enforcement)
Suspect (disambiguation) → Suspect

– There are 21 entries listed upon the Suspect (disambiguation) page, with no indication that the ten-sentence stub delineating Suspect represents a topic of such significance as to overshadow the combined notability of the remaining 20 entries. The parenthetical qualifier "(law enforcement)" is analogous to such other uses as Internal affairs (law enforcement) or Manhunt (law enforcement). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. There is also a common adjective meaning. BD2412 T 06:05, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 07:23, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Suspect indicates the hatnote is the most clicked link, but there's only 52 clicks on it out of ~2600 incoming views (2%), so that's... suspect :) There is a big disparity between incoming and outgoing page views in general, which might indicate that the WP:DICDEF is okay for most readers or that the existing layout is not being helpful enough to most readers. I guess it doesn't hurt to try to swap them and see if the reader behavior changes somehow for the better in a couple of months time, though I'm not sure what would be the definition of better here or how exactly we would judge what actually happened. --Joy (talk) 08:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: out of all entries on that disambiguation list, "suspect" as in law enforcement seems to me to overwhelmingly be the WP:PTOPIC for this term. -Vipz (talk) 14:56, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support the law enforcement meaning has 2,117 views but the ITV series has 6,942, the ITV series has 5,176, Suspects (TV series) has 3,074, the 1987 film has 2,405 and the 1944 film has 2,098[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:25, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per the case of Apple, pageviews don't matter when we're talking about such an overwhelming primary topic by long-term significance. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per King of Hearts this article is the primary topic by long-term significance. Internal affairs#Government and law shows a few prominent entries with long-term significance. For Suspect (disambiguation), we just have mostly very recent films and TV shows. Vpab15 (talk) 10:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Clear primary topic by long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Per others, the law enforcement meaning is the primary topic, and the other titles of films, TV series, etc derive from this meaning. Natg 19 (talk) 01:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I also agree that this is the clear primary topic and has long-term significance. Aoba47 (talk) 19:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.