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Switzerland

Rafz train crash

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Fails WP:EVENT. Almost 10 years later, all the coverage is from 2015. No lasting coverage or WP:EFFECT. A zero fatality incident. LibStar (talk) 05:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Transportation, and Switzerland. LibStar (talk) 05:51, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (no merge) to List of rail accidents (2010–2019). No indication of lasting notability from the German Wikipedia article. Mackensen (talk) 11:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Updated and expanded, raising WP:HEY. The accident re-entered the news cycle in 2016 when the investigation report of the accident was released. In the new legacy section, the nationwide changes after the accident by the SBB are detailed, some of which relate to the upcoming nationwide implementation of ETCS L2 planned for 2025, which is in favour of WP:EFFECT. The event generated broad coverage by Swiss media, as it was unusual for the Swiss network otherwise considered as one of the safest, and was also picked up by international media for WP:GEOSCOPE. More recent Swiss articles about human error in train driving still consistently mention this accident (e.g. here and here), so it seems to be still present in the public mind. YuniToumei (talk) 21:54, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

David Dimitri

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Dubious notablity. The previous Afd claimed "good sources" which were subsequently refbombed to the article. I reviewed them (and some others) and see nothing but short blurbs in run-off-the-mill reviews of some circus performances and no significant coverage of the person in depth. --Altenmann >talk 23:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]

Full quotes from sources cited, for your convenience

One-Ring Circus That Breathes Fellini

Of varying length, they involve the men and women of Les Colporteurs, notably David Dimitri with some nimble, acrobatic tightrope work, in feats of balance, swinging and twirling on ropes, being manipulated like a marionette, flying on a trapeze, clowning and juggling.

The Two-Ring Circus

During celebratory cocktails, they turned their gaze to the Zurich-based tightrope walker David Dimitri (son of the Swiss national treasure Dimitri the Clown) as he traversed a nearly invisible wire a perilous 20 feet above the backyard pond.

Daffiness and Daring In Every Last Ring

Among the daredevils are David Dimitri, the Big Apple's Juilliard-trained Lord of the Wire, who dances to Celtic strains and skips rope on the high wire;

THE FEEL OF A ONE-RING CIRCUS NYT Nov. 22, 1985

Stylistic sympathy notwithstanding, Dimitri had another reason for performing with the Big Apple this year: his 22-year-old son, David, is a member of the troupe. David Dimitri has been performing with circuses since he was 7 years old, when his partner was a llama. Now in his fourth season with the Big Apple Circus, he is thrilled to be on the same bill with his father - but as a name in his own right. I grew up with this image of my dad being very well known in Europe, David Dimitri says. It makes me very happy to be a known, solo performer here, but in the same show with him. It's my own achievement.

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Entertainment, and Switzerland. Shellwood (talk) 00:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. I don't know a lot about this kind of thing, but there are a lot of hits on Swiss newspaper archives [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] some more significant than others. A few look pretty OK, but some are reviews of his performances. If not notable, ATD merge to his father, Dimitri (clown), who is notable. There are more but searching Scriptorium is a nightmare. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, there are plenty of hits, because he did plenty of performances. But we need in-depth coverage and the article was not at all improved since its first nomination, hence it exhausted its "presumption of notability" and must go. --Altenmann >talk 23:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Well if the sourcing isn't good enough that's one thing but as far as I'm aware there isn't a set number of AfDs that make WP:NEXIST not apply. There are a lot of listings but there are some sources that seem to be sigcov on the man. So I am unsure. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The sources found by PARAKANYAA show WP:SUSTAINED WP:SIGCOV of him and his performances. I would say he meets WP:GNG, WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:CREATIVE. He is a performer, so reviews of his performances are what we want. I don't think "the article was not at all improved since its first nomination, hence it exhausted its "presumption of notability" and must go" is a valid deletion argument - as WP:GNG states, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article." There clearly are sources, it's not that no one has been able to produce any. This is one of many, many WP articles which could be improved. RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Passes Wp:GNG and Wp:ANYBIO. But the article requires improvement. Zuck28 (talk) 23:26, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noémie Silberer

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:52, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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There's a three-minute video [13] on the Tribune de Genève website. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep
Here's a news article: [14]. One more: [15]. One more: [16].
A news article in German about her retiting: [17]. (Just one paragraph, but it's like a mini biography.)
And there are lots of sentence examples featuring her on Linguee.fr: [18]. Sentences from skating.cn and swissolympic.ch. Certainly, there were some articles mentioning her on the internet long ago, but they got deleted since. --Moscow Connection (talk)
Comment: Looking at the sources provided in this discussion, the first article is WP:SIGCOV as it provides multiple paragraphs of coverage about the subject, but the rest of the sources appear to be merely mentions or lack any depth (a couple of sentences at most are actually about the subject). Without evidence of actual significant coverage, we can't have an article on a BLP. Let'srun (talk) 14:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I've added updates and removed the outstanding issues in the article.

Nayyn (talk) 12:45, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I disagree that the first article has SIGCOV, as it is almost entirely just reporting what Silberer said/felt. Only the first sentence and part of the penultimate sentence contain secondary coverage. Everything else is routine news or non-independent. JoelleJay (talk) 18:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As I noted earlier in my source analysis, this BLP appears to lack the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 00:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: We have a divide regarding whether sources are sufficient for a standalone article. Is there any possible ATD?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what ATD means, could you please elaborate? Thank you.

The article is well cited, the text is accurate and the sources are appropriate. There have been many deletions of female skaters lately. Deleting makes it a lesser Wikipedia. Nayyn (talk) 18:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ATD = alternative to deletion. Mostly merging or redirecting, sometimes adding something to a list. Geschichte (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you, Geschichte. An "alternative to deletion", through merging, redirection or draftification, serves to preserve some of the content, at least in the page history if not elsewhere but also removes a standalone article from main space. For example, we have many articles that are written about non-notable songs and those articles are often merged or redirected to the article for the album. I hope this explains the shorthand, "ATD". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cindy Carquillat

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Non-notable figure skater. While she did finish in first place at the 2004 Swiss Championships, her score was too low to be awarded the title of Swiss Champion. I found this one article where she was mentioned in passing as now coaching. I'll let the community decide whether that qualifies as "significant coverage". Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Additionally, there is no corresponding article on the German Wikipedia. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some news articles: [19] ("Kurioses ereignete sich bei den Frauen. Cindy Carquillat belegte zwar Rang 1, der Titel wurde ihr allerdings nicht vergeben, weil sie in den Kür-Noten nicht den erforderlichen Schnitt von 4,8 erreichte. Dies ist bei den Frauen noch nie vorgekommen, seit sie 1931 erstmals am nationalen Championat zugelassen worden waren."), [20] (about her qualifying for the Junior Worlds in 2005).
Keep. After all, she did finish first in the national championships. Per WP:NSKATE and WP:GNG too. (She competed almost 20 years ago, she definitely had something written about her in the media back then.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There may be something here → [21], but the site doesn't open for me. (I'm tired of this, many sites seem to block Russian IPs, it's impossible to search like this.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The first source provided has a few sentences, the second one is an article about her, albeit a very short one about her qualifying. The third one that blocked the IP appears to be about changes in the scoring system and is not about her. This SUBJECT appears to be below SIGCOV levels at the moment. In addition I have found a couple of brief mentions in the french media sites la region and arcinfo but well below what is needed to prove GNG. I will have another look later at this one.Canary757 (talk) 07:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  There are 94 hits for her on e-newspaperarchives.ch. Most look minor but may need a french speaker to judge as some appear to be longer.Canary757 (talk) 09:57, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Very far from SIGCOV. Both articles mentioned above are routine event results, from the same news site, and the latter is a couple-sentence announcement about a junior career event so is even further from counting toward GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 19:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG. All of the results from e-newspaperarchives.ch are passing mentions. BilletsMauves^€500 12:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the Swiss Newspaper archive had no SIGCOV then its delete.Canary757 (talk) 12:22, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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