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William D. Hoard

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As of 21 January 2025, 16:01 (UTC), this page is active and open for discussion. An FAC coordinator will be responsible for closing the nomination.
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Nominator(s): M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about William D. Hoard, 16th Governor of Wisconsin and founder of Hoard's Dairyman. This is a resubmission of the article to FAC following a failed nom in October and a Peer Review. All prior comments have been addressed and improvements made across the board. Thanks for taking a look! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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  • File:William_Dempster_Hoard.png: when and where was this first published?
I have searched far and wide for evidence that this portrait was published in a manner that meaningfully meets the definition of "published" in any of the ways we have discussed as appropriate for when the painting was completed in 1891 or after it was committed to the Wisconsin Historical Society archives in 1908 and I have found none. Copyright law is pretty murky on publication circa 1891, when it was presumably hung in the executive chambers at the Wisconsin Capitol Building. I went to the Commons village pump and asked about this in October and was told by folks there that by hanging it in a place without the means to restrict copying the portrait, it would have been considered published prior to 1978. It was hung in a place that did not specifically restrict copying (the executive chamber, a semi-public place) sometime between 1891 and 1908, so I believe that would count.
These volunteers also said that if the portrait was published "without a copyright notice (before March 1989), or with a notice (before 1964) but no renewal" then it would be public domain. Again, there is no specific evidence of publication in any manner other than hanging the portrait in the executive chamber, nor does the portrait appear in the US Copyright Office's archives from what I could find.
My guess, and that is all it is, is that the portrait was hung after Hoard left office in 1891, so it was published based on the definition the others provided in Madison in 1891, but there is no specific evidence that I have been able to locate of the specific date of hanging. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what tag would be appropriate for that design. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Google-fu has eluded me for this tag. I am not entirely sure this image is appropriate at all, given state vs. federal copyright. Wisconsin holds its works in copyright unlike the feds. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know when the seal was first used? If it's old enough, it could be in the public domain due to age. Hog Farm Talk 14:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to have been created by an act of the legislature in the 1970s. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria I have updated the tag on Commons after a conversation at the Village pump. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a link for that discussion? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:30, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria sure do! Link is here, though there have since been new comments since my last post here. I will keep you posted! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria as a means of update I think that conversation has run its course on Commons. One of the respondents there said the privy seal tags should be good. I'd welcome any further thoughts you have, but I think, hopefully, the images are good now. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 22:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You mention in that discussion that the image was first used in 1977 - suggest adding a source to the image description page confirming that. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nikkimaria I have made an update to that effect. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 21:37, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

750h

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Happy to support as per my peer review. 750h+ 16:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Crisco 1492

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Added links in relevant body sections and introduction. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Enos brought Hoard while purchasing dairy cattle and educated him on dairy farming as a child. - Your subject is "Enos", so this could be misunderstood that Enos was the child.
Removed "as a child"; the next sentence beginning "When he was 16" establishes the timeline well enough I think. Thoughts? M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • use of the Babcock test to test the butterfat content of milk - repetition of "test"
Changed second instance to "analyze". M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think exhibit is probably the best phrasing for this information despite the repetition, but have changed it to "display its products". Thoughts? M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Filled cheese is made with milk that has its fat content replaced margarine or lard - Missing a word
Fixed. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • His administration passed a controversial compulsory education law that mandated schools educate their pupils in English and created the Dairy and Food Commission to oversee dairy production in the state and enforce bans on skim and filled cheese as well as other adulterated dairy products. - A little clunky. Perhaps split?
Done. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • and passed a controversial compulsory education law that mandated schools educate their pupils in English.[17] - This duplicates information already contained above
It sure does, and is a sentence fragment. Weird! Fixed. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • the Milwaukee Sentinel - The name of the newspaper should be italicized
Done. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • German-language publications throughout the state advocated for the law's repeal and called for Catholics and Lutherans to campaign for the law's repeal after the election of 1890. - repeal ... repeal
Changed "to campaign for the law's repeal" to "do the same". M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scandinavian communities had fewer parochial schools than their German counterparts and were convinced by opponents of the law that it would prevent their children attending their parochial schools. - parochial schools ... parochial schools
Changed "their parochial schools" to "them". M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Bennett Law became the primary issue of the contest, though economic pressures attributed to the McKinley Tariff also played a significant role. - This is separated by a full sentence from the election, which I'm assuming is "the contest". Might be worth reworking
Changed to "The Bennett Law became the primary issue of the election of 1890" and did some other minor reworking to avoid duplication. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • election of 1890 - Should be linked on first mention, rather than the third mention
I think the changes with the previous bullet address this, let me know what you think! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • using his publications to support Robert M. La Follette. Hoard was uneasy about La Follette's more radical positions and began distancing himself from La Follette. - La Follette ... La Follette ... La Follette. You use his name five times in three sentences. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Made some changes that cut the number of La Follettes to three. Let me know what you think! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:57, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding! I will address these comments when I recover from whatever sickness is currently beating me down. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 14:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Crisco 1492 I believe I have addressed all your comments. Please let me know what you think! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

History6042

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  • "As editor of his newspaper the Jefferson County Union," -> "As editor of his newspaper, the Jefferson County Union,"
Done. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "students in the state be taught in English" -> "students in the state to be taught in English"
Done. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Against trends of the time" -> "Against the trends of the time"
Done. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Wisconsin population was an immigrant" -> "Wisconsin population were immigrants"
Done. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "statue of Hoard" -> "statue of Hoard,"
Done. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

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Not all books have an ISBN, is it because some are too old? The Wisconsin Legislature link is broken. Otherwise, I don't see anything untoward. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've added ISBNs to a few of the books. The WI Blue book, Lampard, and Rankin don't have ISBNs from what I can tell. The Legislature link is working for me. Not quite sure what is going on there. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:41, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus added an archive link to the legislature, let me know if that works! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 16:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jo-Jo, as M4V3R1CK32 is a first-time nominator, this is going to need a spot check and a plagiarism check. Would you be able to oblige? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:06, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild just for clarity, this is my second FA. My first was Ed Bradley. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 21:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jo-Jo, apologies, my mistake. Stand down, Thanks M4V3R1CK32. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:06, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You betcha! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Review from Hurricanehink

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Seeing as I have an FAC of my own (a Category 5 hurricane from 2005), I figured I should review something, so why not a cheesehead governor?

  • "Conflict with church leadership led him to cease his studies." - anything more on this? Ideological or physical conflict?
Not really anything else to say. It was a difference of opinion on church doctrine, so an ideological conflict. I made an update to that effect. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "  Hoard used the publication to advocate for agricultural and dairy manufacturing practices including: testing of herds for bovine tuberculosis, slaughtering infected animals, and providing recompense for farmers who culled their herds;[8]: 120 [10] the growth and use of alfalfa as cattle feed,[10] the use of particular breeds of cattle for milking or meat,[8]: 62  the use of the Babcock test to analyze the butterfat content of milk,[11]: 164  sanitization of milk bottles used in city delivery,[8]: 122  the humane treatment of cattle, the formation of agricultural cooperatives to compete with corporations, and the adoption of silos to store cattle feed."
  • I suggest splitting that up a bit, starting with "Hoard used the publication to advocate for a variety of agriculture and dairy manufacturing practices." And then go into it. Right now it seems like a scary amount of information and reference numbers for one long sentence.
Split into two sentences per your suggestion. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hoard felt slighted by the group that had ignored him for three years" - is there more context to this?
None that is neutral enough for an FA. Lampard wrote a little bit more -- Hoard said the American Dairymen's Association was actually just New Yorkers and not representative of America as a whole, had lied about Wisconsin's dairy production, and specifically, had "personally affronted (Hoard) by ignoring his communications for three years" when the invitation to the fair came in. But Lampard makes it clear that that's all Hoard saying the American association did all that. It's not clear from the sources if Hoard was right about the composition of the association or lying about Wisconsin's production or just shooting off at the mouth (as he had a tendency to do). It's a classic he said/she said situation. Rather than put a potentially spurious claim in the article, I think it is best to simply relate what Hoard felt about the group and the invitation. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • " In 1890, the group campaigned for the establishment of the first dairy school in the U.S., which taught students to make butter and cheese" - I guess that didn't happen? I'd put "unsuccessfully" if so
No, it did. Updated for clarity. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hoard opposed the sale of adulterated dairy products" - adulterated? The cow committed adultery?!
No haha, not adultery. A little different, though I think the terms are related. Adulterate (verb) meaning to "corrupt, debase, or make impure by the addition of a foreign or inferior substance or element, especially to prepare for sale by replacing more valuable with less valuable or inert ingredients". M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a reason you use "oleomargarine" other than the better known "margarine"?
In the sources that discuss the topic in relation to Hoard, they exclusively use oleomargarine. I kept it that way for the sake of consistency with the sources. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • " He was nominated as the Republican candidate for governor in an anonymous article in the Milwaukee Sentinel that year and received strong support from farmers throughout the state." - wait, this was really the start of his political career? Had Hoard given any indication he wanted to be governor? Or because he didn't give the full Sherman, he just accepted the nomination and went with it? Also, when was the article? Was it right before the... convention, I'm presuming? Since there probably weren't primaries back then? Like, how did he end up being the nominee, and even running a campaign? This seems like a pretty major part of the article that's missing. You should include when he was inaugurated as governor (which I found out was 1889).
I guess it depends on your definition of "political career". I'd argue that helping establish and being a key figure in a dairy lobbying group is inherently political, and he held some minor appointed posts (sergeant at arms, deputy marshal) before his nomination. But as far as elected office, yes, the start of his career in elected office was in the governor's mansion.
Had Hoard given any indication he wanted to be governor? None that I'm aware of. Sourcing indicates he was caught completely by surprise by the suggestion he be nominated. Ivins (p.112) writes that Hoard thought it was a joke. This is purely speculative on my part, but he doesn't seem to have ever formally considered it. At the time, he was running two publications, heavily involved with a lobbying group, and an active speaker on the lecture circuit. Nothing I've seen in sourcing indicates that he ever gave it serious thought until he was put forward as a candidate.
When was the article? It was shortly before the state Republican convention of 1888, which is where Hoard was formally nominated by the party to be the gubernatorial candidate. You are correct there were not primaries at the time (that was actually a hot-button issue at the turn of the 20th century). I've made some updates to make that more clear and add additional context.
How did he end up running a campaign? That's a much tougher question to answer. This period of American history started to see a significant shift in how people were elected, and really started the formal political campaign as we know it today. People like Bob La Follette were starting to buck trends and actively campaign themselves, going directly to the people as candidates instead of relying on the party (Unreasonable Men goes into great detail about La Follette's early runs for office and it really should be incorporated into his Wikipedia article, but that is a problem for another day). Establishment politicians relied on their local political machines to help them win elections, using ads and proxies to speak on a politician's behalf. Newspapers were highly partisan and endorsements mattered a great deal, hence the impact of the Sentinel suggesting Hoard be the gubernatorial candidate. Newspapers would further write about and promote the candidates they supported, acting as the media wing of campaigns as we know them today. Where exactly Hoard fell on this spectrum isn't clear, and the sourcing available doesn't talk about the actual lead up to the election of 1888. Hoard was nominated in September and elected in November, so it was a short campaign season in general. La Follette did help by lending advisers and poll lists, and that is included in the article.
Inauguration year added. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "His administration passed a controversial compulsory education law that mandated schools educate their pupils in English. It also created the Dairy and Food Commission to oversee dairy production in the state and enforce bans on skim and filled cheese as well as other adulterated dairy products.[17][12]: 249–250  It was one of the first food inspection agencies in the United States." - just seems odd that this is followed with so much detail on the "Bennett Law". Like it starts with Bennet, then the Dairy and Food Commission, then back to Bennett. But I kinda get it, since that law was what led to him losing his re-election bid.
Hoard's tenure as governor was short, and very little was written about it other than the Bennett Law. Even the Food & Dairy Commission stuff is a footnote in the sourcing, while the Bennett Law has hundreds of pages written about it. I was just trying to keep the article in line with WP:DUE. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article is written well, but it seems under-researched in a few spots, like his governorship, and the Hoard's Dairyman Farm. Lemme know if you have questions about my concerns. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:35, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink Appreciate the review. The two areas you pointed out, Hoard's governorship and the Dairyman Farm, and their comparative lack of content outside the Bennett Law, is due to what is in available sourcing. I think I have responded to all your comments, let me know if you have any remaining concerns! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 00:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I appreciate the changes, and understand the lack of sources given the time period and his lack of extended tenure. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support now. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Much obliged! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 22:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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